Saints offering Jammal Brown and ? for Rams #2 (1 Viewer)

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The New Orleans Saints are trying hard to move up in Saturday's draft for a shot to draft defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey of LSU, and one of the pieces they are shopping in a trade is left tackle Jammal Brown, according to a league source.

Brown, who has 43 starts in his three seasons in the league, is considered one of the better young tackles in the game, although his play dropped off some in 2007.

Brown went to the Pro Bowl in 2006 as a second-year player and was named to the All-Pro team. The decision to include Brown in trade talks shows the seriousness of the Saints and their want for Dorsey.

To get to Dorsey, the Saints would likely have to work out a deal with the St. Louis Rams to get the second pick. The Rams also like Dorsey, so it might be tough to pry that pick away. The Saints own the 10th pick in the first round, and Dorsey would certainly be gone by then.

The Atlanta Falcons, who own the third pick, are also interested in Dorsey. They could move up to the second spot to make sure the Saints don't jump them to get Dorsey.

Brown was the 13th player taken in the 2006 NFL Draft. He started at right tackle as a rookie, so he can play both.

In 2006, Brown was charged with domestic abuse after his wife dialed 911 and told police her husband had struck here. The charges were later dropped.

 

[EBF]

That seems like a lot to give up.

 

[Domination]

I find this unbelievable. it is so hard to get a good young OT, that I can't see them giving him up along with #10 just to get Dorsey.

 

[FBGPoker]

all depends on Browns contract status whether it's too much to give up.

Anyone know what's left on Browns contract?

 

[trader jake]

That seems like a lot to give up.

It sure does. You don't get better by giving up 1.10 and your starting LT for an unproven commodity.

 

[BassNBrew]

Calling bs on this one. If the Saints really offered this, it the Rams would have already accepted.

 

[Wadsworth]

That's a huge offer and as long as Brown is still alive I'd be all over that if I was the rams.

 

[Moldy Potato]

The title of this thread should really be edited. No where does the article say the Saints are specifically offering Brown AND the 10th pick, only that Brown could be part of a trade for the #2 pick. Big difference there.

The trade would make a lot more sense if the Saints could somehow hold onto #10 to take someone like Clady to replace Brown.

 

[TheWick]

Lets do IT!!!

 

[Interseptopus]

That's a huge offer and as long as Brown is still alive I'd be all over that if I was the rams.

I don't think teams trade deceased players

 

[radiohead417]

I wonder if they had some preliminary discussions with Brown's agent about an extension, and he asked for the sun and moon. Or maybe something is up with him, he could just be a bad guy - you just don't see teams trade big pieces away if there isn't something going on.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Now this is classic Saints. They want to stock pile on LSU players so fans come. they signed Skyler Green, and Gay. They resigned D. Henderson. The lose there center in Faine, and now wanna trade away there Left Tackle. Deuce is on his 2 bad wheels, Bush is showing that he can't run. This is really some funny ####. Just so they can draft LSU players. I'll also say it now, the Saints will take S. Craig Steltz in the 4th rd....

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Saints offered Brown and the #10 for the #2, the Rams would yell "Done!Jacksjacksnobacks!" faster than you can say 'highway robbery".

If it includes Brown, it doesn't include the #10.

 

[Gadabout]

Now this is classic Saints. They want to stock pile on LSU players so fans come. they signed Skyler Green, and Gay. They resigned D. Henderson. The lose there center in Faine, and now wanna trade away there Left Tackle. Deuce is on his 2 bad wheels, Bush is showing that he can't run. This is really some funny ####. Just so they can draft LSU players. I'll also say it now, the Saints will take S. Craig Steltz in the 4th rd....

Fans'll come regardless.Nobody expects anything from Skyler Green. He's fat now.Dorsey is really, really good.And owning a NFL franchise is a business.That said, I'd rather us stay put and draft a CB.

 

[Afro Samurai]

There is some sense to this. Jammal Brown is a solid player but IMO he's not the elite tackle many believe him to be, and he has chronic knee issues. The Saints have two pretty solid prospects in Jermon Bushrod and Zach Strief who could play left tackle, and Brees is very elusive in the pocket which makes pass blocking much easier.

Having said that giving up Brown + #10 is lunacy. No way the Saints are doing that. If there is a deal it will be Brown + the Saints 2nd rounder for the #2.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Now this is classic Saints. They want to stock pile on LSU players so fans come. they signed Skyler Green, and Gay. They resigned D. Henderson. The lose there center in Faine, and now wanna trade away there Left Tackle. Deuce is on his 2 bad wheels, Bush is showing that he can't run. This is really some funny ####. Just so they can draft LSU players. I'll also say it now, the Saints will take S. Craig Steltz in the 4th rd....

You really think they're signing LSU players to get fans to come? Or maybe, just maybe, could it be that LSU is an elite college program that puts out a lot of quality NFL players?-I don't think anybody expects Skyler Green to make the team. -They got Henderson on the cheap, and he is a great deep threat if somewhat of a one-dimensional player.-Gay was one of the better and more reasonably priced DB options in free agency. -Faine sucked last year. He's small and gets pushed around too easily. He's also ridiculously injury-prone. Jonathan Goodwin was clearly better than Faine when he replaced him.-No arguments on Deuce and Bush. RB situation is scary (although I do like Piere Thomas)-Steltz would be a great pick in the 4th. But somehow I get the feeling he won't last that long. Overrated as he may be, he was still a first-team All American.The more I think about it, the better this trade sounds from a Saints' perspective. This is all pivotal of course on how good you think Jammal Brown is (personally I don't think he's all that great).

 

[SproutDaddy]

Calling bs on this one. If the Saints really offered this, it the Rams would have already accepted.

As a Saints fan who would love to have Dorsey, this is toooooo much to give up!

 

[Bob Magaw]

i agree that brown's contract situation could be a gray area (i don't know), & he was arrested i think for domestic disturbance ('06?), though charges were dropped...

where would brown go in this years draft? i know he was a pro bowler, but i have heard others say he didn't look like a pro bowler last year... i didn't see a lot of saints games last year...

all that said, brown & 1.10 would be so much of a no-brainer that it doesn't seem possible... but i think the rams would rather have dorsey or long, than brown & a 2nd...

maybe the rams could kick the saints back a pick...

 

[saintfool]

not going to happen under the terms described here.

 

[ragincajun]

Brown is on his way down...... Knee problems..... He is also going to need a new contract soon, and I am sure this has something to do with it.

We have two young prospects to replace him.

Trade him.......Get Dorsey

With the 10th overalll draft a LT....

 

[FavreCo]

Calling bs on this one. If the Saints really offered this, it the Rams would have already accepted.

This is the time the BS is at a max.

 

[Eggbert34]

This is so stupid....i'm a saints fan and i really hope this doesn't happen

 

[ATC1]

Saints are trying to restructure Will Smith's contract. J. Evans, Colston, Brown and Vilma will be free agents next year.

Brown must be suggesting that he wants to be paid if this rumor is true.

However signing the #2 and #10 picks this year will be pricey as well.

This may also be a ploy to get Atlanta to have to trade up to grab Dorsey.

 

[Jason Wood]

This just doesn't make sense to me...why would the Saints give up a PROVEN young tackle (who can play both sides) to take an unproven defensive tackle; particularly when they would have to guarantee him $28-$30mm at the 2nd overall pick?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?"

Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

 

[Jason Wood]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I won't speak for others but here is why I think the deal sounds off...1) Right now we're in the maelstrom of misinformation. And with each passing year, that maelstrom gets crazier. It's no longer about a local beat writer getting a false tip from the GM to put in the paper. It's no longer about Mort or John Clayton going on the air with a rumor. It's about the explosion of message boards, fan sites, blogs, podcasts, sports talk radio, and the magnifying effect all of that has on sports "news." PFT reports a rumor and Mort comments on the issue on ESPN b/c he doesn't want to be "scooped." Someone posts a trade proposal on MVN.com and it gets picked up by radio hosts all over the country and that, in turn, becomes a "source." So you take this unending desire to get the scoop, and the fact that tens of thousands of people feel enabled to break stories now, and things can get pretty crazy pretty fast. Let's take my Eagles for example. Has there literally been ANY player that they haven't been "confirmed" to be interested in? I'm sure some are true, and frankly I'm sure some have never been discussed beyond a cursory inquiry. 2) Known commodities don't come cheaply. You could certainly be right and the Saints may think Alex Barron had peaked and is now overrated. If that's the case, you could argue that now is the time for them to part ways (sell high). But as fans who aren't privy to what they're talking about in the war room, we're left to judge things by what we KNOW. We know that Alex Barron is a young, healthy tackle. We know that Barron can play both left and right tackle. We know that offensive tackle is one of the premium positions in the NFL. We know that Barron made a Pro Bowl just two seasons ago. So why, then, should we presume it makes any sense to move a proven above average player at a premium position for a rookie who MAY be elite at his position some day? And on top of that give up further compensation? Is it possible? Sure. But if I'm making an educated guess, I'm not buying this deal is on the table until I see it formalized.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

Dude, you're making a series of mock drafts speculating what NFL teams will draft what rookies, you're not curing cancer.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

Dude, you're making a series of mock drafts speculating what NFL teams will draft what rookies, you're not curing cancer.

The point is that we're all pretty aware that the Saints wouldn't make this move without a plan B at the LT position. We're sayint that even if they do have a replacement, giving up Brown and a #10 (which is what we're calling BS on) is too much for the #2.

 

[saintfool]

The point is that we're all pretty aware that the Saints wouldn't make this move without a plan B at the LT position. We're sayint that even if they do have a replacement, giving up Brown and a #10 (which is what we're calling BS on) is too much for the #2.

true dat.

 

[Blackjacks]

DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!

 

[RBM]

Calling bs on this one. If the Saints really offered this, it the Rams would have already accepted.

 

[Afro Samurai]

We're sayint that even if they do have a replacement, giving up Brown and a #10 (which is what we're calling BS on) is too much for the #2.

Nowhere has it been stated that they are even offering up the #10 pick. As far as I can tell.

 

[Afro Samurai]

This just doesn't make sense to me...why would the Saints give up a PROVEN young tackle (who can play both sides) to take an unproven defensive tackle; particularly when they would have to guarantee him $28-$30mm at the 2nd overall pick?

I can think of several reasons.Brown's contract will be coming up soon and he will demand elite left tackle money. The Saints might consider that an unwise investment if they don't consider him an elite left tackle (which is certainly a possbility given his play last year). He also has chronic knee problems (both knees) and a domestic violence incident on his record.Also, they seem very high on Jermon Bushrod. If he can come anywhere close to equalling Brown on the field (which IMO is extremely possible given Brees' pocket presence and ability to make an offensive line better), then that allows you to save a ton of money which you can then invest in the team's weak areas (namely, defense).

 

[IM666]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

Dude, you're making a series of mock drafts speculating what NFL teams will draft what rookies, you're not curing cancer.

At first I was worried the ignore feature was no longer functioning. I feel much better now that I realize this is just an alias.

 

[Chachi]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

Dude, you're making a series of mock drafts speculating what NFL teams will draft what rookies, you're not curing cancer.

At first I was worried the ignore feature was no longer functioning. I feel much better now that I realize this is just an alias.

Taking anothers user name, changing one letter, using the same icon, he had me fooled. I think the mods should out who did this and then ban their IP address. As for forum etiquette, this is some of the most bush league crap I've ever seen.Oh ya, reported with my recommendation for outing, IP banning.

 

[gianmarco]

Now this is classic Saints. They want to stock pile on LSU players so fans come. they signed Skyler Green, and Gay. They resigned D. Henderson. The lose there center in Faine, and now wanna trade away there Left Tackle. Deuce is on his 2 bad wheels, Bush is showing that he can't run. This is really some funny ####. Just so they can draft LSU players. I'll also say it now, the Saints will take S. Craig Steltz in the 4th rd....

You really think they're signing LSU players to get fans to come? Or maybe, just maybe, could it be that LSU is an elite college program that puts out a lot of quality NFL players?-I don't think anybody expects Skyler Green to make the team. -They got Henderson on the cheap, and he is a great deep threat if somewhat of a one-dimensional player.-Gay was one of the better and more reasonably priced DB options in free agency. -Faine sucked last year. He's small and gets pushed around too easily. He's also ridiculously injury-prone. Jonathan Goodwin was clearly better than Faine when he replaced him.-No arguments on Deuce and Bush. RB situation is scary (although I do like Piere Thomas)-Steltz would be a great pick in the 4th. But somehow I get the feeling he won't last that long. Overrated as he may be, he was still a first-team All American.The more I think about it, the better this trade sounds from a Saints' perspective. This is all pivotal of course on how good you think Jammal Brown is (personally I don't think he's all that great).

Exactly what he said.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

Dude, you're making a series of mock drafts speculating what NFL teams will draft what rookies, you're not curing cancer.

At first I was worried the ignore feature was no longer functioning. I feel much better now that I realize this is just an alias.

Taking anothers user name, changing one letter, using the same icon, he had me fooled. I think the mods should out who did this and then ban their IP address. As for forum etiquette, this is some of the most bush league crap I've ever seen.Oh ya, reported with my recommendation for outing, IP banning.

waaaaaaaaaa

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Yeah, this is "too much" to offer because Jammal Brown is on the tip of everyone's tongue as the answer to the question, "Who's the best tackle in the NFL?" Why in these threads don't people think that maybe, just maybe, the Saints think that they could successfully replace Brown with someone else, maybe already on the roster, and still get Dorsey with such a pick?

I'm sure none of us ever thought of that. Good thing we've got you around here to set us straight. I don't know where we'd be without you.

Earn the benefit of the doubt and I'll give it to you.

Just when I thought I didn't have a life-goal.

Dude, you're making a series of mock drafts speculating what NFL teams will draft what rookies, you're not curing cancer.

At first I was worried the ignore feature was no longer functioning. I feel much better now that I realize this is just an alias.

Taking anothers user name, changing one letter, using the same icon, he had me fooled. I think the mods should out who did this and then ban their IP address. As for forum etiquette, this is some of the most bush league crap I've ever seen.Oh ya, reported with my recommendation for outing, IP banning.

Do not ask for whom my feet tap, they tap for thee.

 

[Domination]

Maybe I am crazy, but if I were the Saints I would be doing...

#1- Trade #10 to Philly for #19 and Lito (starting CB-check)

#2- Trade 2nd rd to NYG for Shockey (starting TE- check)

#3- Draft Balmer @ #19 (DT-check)

Fills alot of needs, and is a definite improvement on their entire team.

 

[Tabasco Red]

Maybe I am crazy, but if I were the Saints I would be doing...#1- Trade #10 to Philly for #19 and Lito (starting CB-check)#2- Trade 2nd rd to NYG for Shockey (starting TE- check)#3- Draft Balmer @ #19 (DT-check)Fills alot of needs, and is a definite improvement on their entire team.

Who do they take at #19? Just out of curiosity.

 

[Domination]

Maybe I am crazy, but if I were the Saints I would be doing...

#1- Trade #10 to Philly for #19 and Lito (starting CB-check)

#2- Trade 2nd rd to NYG for Shockey (starting TE- check)

#3- Draft Balmer @ #19 (DT-check)

Fills alot of needs, and is a definite improvement on their entire team.

Who do they take at #19? Just out of curiosity.

 

[Tabasco Red]

Maybe I am crazy, but if I were the Saints I would be doing...

#1- Trade #10 to Philly for #19 and Lito (starting CB-check)

#2- Trade 2nd rd to NYG for Shockey (starting TE- check)

#3- Draft Balmer @ #19 (DT-check)

Fills alot of needs, and is a definite improvement on their entire team.

Who do they take at #19? Just out of curiosity.

Got it. For some reason my brain processed #3 as 3rd round.

 

[Monarch]

The saints are "rumored" to have a deal to

1) give up their 40th pick for Shockey

2) move up in a deal with New england

3) move up in a deal with St. Louis

4) trade for Lito Sheppard

Seems like they have done a good job of misinformation and disguising their intentions. they probably found out about one of their offers being leaked and spread rumors about the others. This is the NFL draft.

As a Saints fan I would love for the Saints to trade Brown and Will Smith for the Rams #2 pick and their 3rd round pick. Give the three to New England for their pick. Pick Dorsey and Ellis. Trade the 2nd for Shockey and next year's first for sheppard. Win a Super Bowl. Of course noe of that will happen.