bulger2holt
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Look for the Rams to be very active in F/A too. They have lots of money to spend and one of the wealthiest owners in pro sports.
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Sam Bradford, QB, St. Louis Rams (1 Viewer)
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5Rings
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How do you rate their OL as "one of the best in the league?"If their pass blocking was solid, that would allow their QB time to throw downfield. However, Bradford was 30th in YPA, at 6.0. If their run blocking was solid, their RBs would gain yardage. However, SJax at 3.8ypg was 36th in the league.So how is their OL "one of the best in the league" when their passing and rushing attacks are both at the bottom of the league standings?Football Outsiders ranks the Ram OL as 26the best in the league.Just because we have some excited fanboys posting about how Good the Ram OL is...doesn't make it so. Facts are facts. This is a bad OL.
jurb26
Footballguy
What do you think Bradford's YPA should be to reflect a good Oline? He was a rookie QB with awful receiving threats. From games I watched his YPA was low because he throw a lot of short, high percentage passes and the guys catching them simply didn't break them very often. That is also why Bradford's completion percentage was high (60%) as a rookie. Teams were stacking to stop Jackson, the biggest offensive threat on St. L. I don't see how either of your points validate that the St. L Oline was poor. From the games I watched they played extremely well but the offense as a whole operated extremely conservatively. The stats seem to support that view as St. L, despite having a rookie QB and awful receiving options, ranked #10 in the NFL in adjusted pass protection.Again, I have to disagree with you. This is a good Oline with a lot of great young talent.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
If I could short Sam Bradford stock, I would do so with most of my disposable income. The hype in here is insanely out of control. Rams quarterbacks ranked in the bottom 5 in fantasy points last season, and that was despite ranking fifth in pass attempts.
Bradford could improve by leaps and bounds and fall far short of some of the expectations here.
Bradford could improve by leaps and bounds and fall far short of some of the expectations here.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bradford was a rookie so he was probably reigned in a bit, as far as throwing downfield. Also one of his main targets, Danny Amendola, had no ability to create yards after the catch and had the lowest ypc amongst WRs in the league.The Rams have a good young o-line, but it was probably a stretch to call them one of the best in the league.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
this tracks pretty closely with the fact that the rams were nearly top 5 in red zone appearances (tied with colts for 6th?)... of those teams, only SD didn't make the playoffs (and they had #1 offense & defense, but were killed by ST implosions)...only five teams had less than the rams 20 RZ TDs (BUF, CLE, MIA, ARI & CAR), and only CAR had a lower % than their 35.7 (none of the other 30 teams were lower than 40%)...'Chase Stuart said:
the rams/bradford were 29th in RZ passer rating, and 28th in RZ completion %...
in fairness, STL was decimated at the WR position, and danny amendola led the team in receiving...
bradford does look like he will soon be one of the better QBs in the league for dynasty purposes... in redraft, i expect him to make a jump in his second year, but into the top 10 could be asking a lot...
maybe something like top 15, with top 12 upside... what did that represent last year?
12 - carson palmer (362-586, 3,970 yards, 6.8 Y/A, 26 TDs & 20 INTs) 16 games
13 - matt cassell (262-450, 3,116 yards, 6.9 Y/A, 27 TDs & 7 INTs) 15 games
14 - david garrard (236-366, 2,734 yards, 7.5 Y/A, 23 TDs & 15 INTs, plus 270 yards & 5 TDs rushing) 14 games
15 - jay cutler (261-432, 7.6 Y/A, 3,274 yards, 23 TDs & 16 INTs, plus 232 yards & 1 TD rushing) 15 games
20 - sam bradford (354-590, 3,512 yards, 6.0 Y/A, 18 TDs & 15 INTs) 16 games
some of the key variables or factors different coming into 2011 could be viewed alternately as glass half full or empty...
1 - clayton, avery & DX return, but from knee injuries.
2 - kendricks, pettis and salas should boost the receiving talent on the roster, but they are rookies.
3 - new OC mcdaniels looks like an upgrade over dink & dunk shurmer, but vets (including bradford) will be learning a new system.
the rams do have a brutal first half schedule, so may have to throw to stay in games (i wouldn't say throw MORE, as they already threw at a prolific rate, but they may have to continue to do so in 2011 out of necessity)... also, the NFC West isn't known as powerhouse defensive division (though ARI could have a pretty good secondary)...
* as to the prospects of a scoring resurgence fueled by more explosive plays, career Y/R...
danny amendola - 7.9 (historically unproductive)
mark clayton - 13.3 (interestingly, identical to his four game average in 2010)
donnie avery - 12.6 (this was with horrific QB/OL situation first two years in league)
** as to OL, saffold was an excellent LT and a phenomenal 2nd round pick... jason smith has a chance to be an above average bookend RT (especially as run blocker) if he can avoid a troubling concussion history early in his NFL career... he was unfortunately overdrafted (second overall), but maybe saffold being underdrafted balances out the equation... jason brown is an average to above average center (i thought he had more potential based on his BAl career)... jacob bell a below average to average LG (a lackluster free agent signing)... RG needs help, possibly in free agency... pretty sure i could think of 10 better OLs in the league, but they may be in the top half of the league?
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My guess is INTs should be higher with DCs having a whole offseason to plan for him and he's learning yet another new offense. I don't like the Rams WRs YAC ability and think those numbers should be so much higher with Bradford's great placement. We'll see in 2011, hopefully, but if they can't "finish" then Steven Jackson should get plenty of TDs.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I'm really thinking of drafting him as my QB1 (Start 1 QB) in my dynasty league so I make sure I get him. Am I crazy? I don't think he'll set the world on fire this year (see below), but year 3 I think he turns it on to become top 5 in FF.
3,700 yards
26 TDs
14 INTs
3,700 yards
26 TDs
14 INTs
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
So are people jumping ship or waiting things out with Bradford? I drafted him and have him on my bench but just don't know what to think.
I'm still excited about the possibilities with McDaniels but will it happen this year?
I'm still excited about the possibilities with McDaniels but will it happen this year?
The Kuhn
Footballguy
First half of their schedule is a little tough, and it could be slow going now that Jackson is hurt and the WRs/TEs need to gel a bit. Once they get past NO in week 8, though, it's hard not to like them going forward:2 vs. ARICLE2 vs. SEA2 vs. SFCIN(PIT)He's tough to hold onto right now, but I'd put him, Jackson, and Alexander in the buy low target category after their week 5 bye.
Yep, the first 3 games always looked tough this year. I think Bradford is a great buy low candidate if you can pry him loose. None of the teams left on the schedule look to have a great pass defense. I think the Eagles game was the best thing to happen to you if you didn't get Bradford on your team.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
Are people still keeping the faith?
I thought Bradford might blow up with McIdiot this year. I knew the schedule started hard but man it is difficult to hold on to this guy if you don't have deep benches. I watched the first two games and he looked OK, the TDs just weren't there. I didn't see him yesterday.
I thought Bradford might blow up with McIdiot this year. I knew the schedule started hard but man it is difficult to hold on to this guy if you don't have deep benches. I watched the first two games and he looked OK, the TDs just weren't there. I didn't see him yesterday.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
In his last eight games, going back to last season, Bradford has thrown three touchdown passes and averaged 216 passing yards per game. By just about any standard, that is awful. Very disappointing, especially considering how strong he looked in the middle of last season.
wickster33
Footballguy
lets see what happens when Amendola and Clayton are out there
bulger2holt
Footballguy
His o-line is not giving him any time and his WR's don't get seperation and drop way too many balls. Not a good combo.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
What's up with his toe? Is it just a little thing or the dreaded turf toe?
5Rings
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
It's early, and it may be impulsive ahead of the bye weeks, but I am cutting bait on Bradford. Too many reasons already mentioned to think he'll be able to turn it around. A few weeks from now, I'll have to scramble to pick up a bye week QB. Maybe he'll still be there.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Go get him in dynasty leagues. Bradford is the most talented young QB in the league, albeit one without any weapons right now. Nobody can do it by themselves. He simply doesn't have even one reliable receiver with Amendola out & Alexander only able to play a limited amount of snaps per game, if at all.
Bradford could easily have the biggest turnaround of any player at any position from this season to 2012. His OL will be fine in the long run, but the Rams need to go get a big-time playmaker in FA or the draft. Bradford will be a totally different QB with a healthy Amendola, a more experienced Kendricks/Hoonanawanui, & a true WR1.
Bradford could easily have the biggest turnaround of any player at any position from this season to 2012. His OL will be fine in the long run, but the Rams need to go get a big-time playmaker in FA or the draft. Bradford will be a totally different QB with a healthy Amendola, a more experienced Kendricks/Hoonanawanui, & a true WR1.
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UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Look who he played the first 3 weeks. Not a good matchup this week either but he's not in a strong division. He'll look a lot better as the season goes on. His receivers (including Amendola) limit his ceiling but his talent doesnt.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Sadly, I see the same thing happening to Bradford as I did Marc Bulger, who coincidentally also was a victim of St. Louis' shoddy offensive line.
Listen, even NFL players are human and have an aversion to getting their ### kicked. You can only get sacked and hit so many times before you get that 'deer in headlights' gunshy look to your game. That's exactly what I'm seeing from Bradford now. Bulger used to be a good QB. Remember that? But the guy got pounded for 2 years straight, and he never recovered.
There is absolutely no excuse for the St. Louis Rams to allow their budding franchise QB to have his ### handed to him each and every week. No excuse. And now they are ruining their future.
Listen, even NFL players are human and have an aversion to getting their ### kicked. You can only get sacked and hit so many times before you get that 'deer in headlights' gunshy look to your game. That's exactly what I'm seeing from Bradford now. Bulger used to be a good QB. Remember that? But the guy got pounded for 2 years straight, and he never recovered.
There is absolutely no excuse for the St. Louis Rams to allow their budding franchise QB to have his ### handed to him each and every week. No excuse. And now they are ruining their future.
two_dollars
Footballguy
He's no Cutler, but he's a good buy low in dynasty. In redraft, there's better options this year.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
This is why they threw underneath so much last year. Josh is throwing downfield this year leaving SB exposed to more hits. They need to get back to 3 step drops and quicker throws other wise SB isn't going to last the season in one piece.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Bradford is averaging more yards per game and more yards per pass attempt this year than he did last year.
Yeah, I expected him to put up worse numbers than Colt McCoy, and so far he has delivered. I don't quite understand why everyone was so high on the guy, considering he had one of the worst YPA in the league last year, and basically disappeared at the end of the season last year.
jurb26
Footballguy
Make it 3 of 4 games with less than 190 yds.
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