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Sam Bradford's 1st game. (1 Viewer)
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heidbrink
Footballguy
I'm not going to throw numbers out there but I do believe Sam is going to be fantastic...The next BIG thing. The more I see of him, the more I like. Granted he's seen no real regular-season action but the guy has been darn near flawless thus far.
On the minus side: Avery, who was not a world-beater to begin with, being out for the season leaves the Rams with a lot of ??? as his targets. Also that Oline has a history of getting QB's banged up.
But I do believe though that Bradford will prove to be great, starting with a pleasant surprise against the Cardinals on Sunday. Good QBs such as Brady and Hasselbeck have a way of making average receivers look great and I'm cautiously optimistic he will have enough of a pocket to work.
On the minus side: Avery, who was not a world-beater to begin with, being out for the season leaves the Rams with a lot of ??? as his targets. Also that Oline has a history of getting QB's banged up.
But I do believe though that Bradford will prove to be great, starting with a pleasant surprise against the Cardinals on Sunday. Good QBs such as Brady and Hasselbeck have a way of making average receivers look great and I'm cautiously optimistic he will have enough of a pocket to work.
moleculo
Footballguy
Here's all 1st round rookie QB's who started day one:
player Date Cmp Att Yds TD Int Rate Matthew Stafford 9/13/2009 16 37 205 0 3 27.4Mark Sanchez 9/13/2009 18 31 272 1 1 84.3Matt Ryan 9/7/2008 9 13 161 1 0 137Joe Flacco 9/7/2008 15 29 129 0 0 63.7Carson Palmer 9/12/2004 18 27 248 2 1 105.2Kyle Boller 9/7/2003 22 43 152 1 1 57.5David Carr 9/8/2002 10 22 145 2 1 78.8average 15.4 28.9 187.4 1.0 1.0 79.1
better than I would have expected, however only Flacco and Ryan avoided throwing a pick in game 1. Only Palmer and Carr had multiple TD passes.
player Date Cmp Att Yds TD Int Rate Matthew Stafford 9/13/2009 16 37 205 0 3 27.4Mark Sanchez 9/13/2009 18 31 272 1 1 84.3Matt Ryan 9/7/2008 9 13 161 1 0 137Joe Flacco 9/7/2008 15 29 129 0 0 63.7Carson Palmer 9/12/2004 18 27 248 2 1 105.2Kyle Boller 9/7/2003 22 43 152 1 1 57.5David Carr 9/8/2002 10 22 145 2 1 78.8average 15.4 28.9 187.4 1.0 1.0 79.1
better than I would have expected, however only Flacco and Ryan avoided throwing a pick in game 1. Only Palmer and Carr had multiple TD passes.
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
I can see a Palmer type of day. Possibly better.
moleculo
Footballguy
I'm leaning more towards Stafford, given the available receiving options.
How far back did you go? Fairly sure that Peyton was a day one starter as well. This is referenced in the numbers posted by novice. That's about what I see too.
moleculo
Footballguy
I only went back to 2000. Gotta draw the cutoff line somewhere, I chose to do it at the millennium. Peyton was a rookie in '98.
he should finish with more int than td. comparing him to stafford, sheesh... at least stafford had calvin johnson to throw to. who is the big proven wr here? robinson? amendola? please. this rams line is horrible. az def is not some pushover either. only way i see him getting a td is a dump off to steven jackson.
my prediction: 155 yds 0 td 2 int sacked 4 times....welcome to the NFL REGULAR SEASON.
my prediction: 155 yds 0 td 2 int sacked 4 times....welcome to the NFL REGULAR SEASON.
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
You clearly have no idea what your talking about...The rams line is actually very solid and before the injury last year Laurent Robinson was a very viable option.13-20 200 yds 1 td 1inthe should finish with more int than td. comparing him to stafford, sheesh... at least stafford had calvin johnson to throw to. who is the big proven wr here? robinson? amendola? please. this rams line is horrible. az def is not some pushover either. only way i see him getting a td is a dump off to steven jackson.my prediction: 155 yds 0 td 2 int sacked 4 times....welcome to the NFL REGULAR SEASON.
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
under no doubt...
oukurt
Footballguy
agreed. Soft defense and he doesn't force the ball. Not to mention the amazing accuracy.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
lol finally
I really think you guys are underating Arizona's defense.
5 Sacks / 2 Ints
We are talking Dominque Rogers-Cromartie, Adrian Wilson, Kerry Rhodes. Greg Toler is no slouch and will have NO TROUBLE covering whatever 2nd or 3rd receiver he's placed on. This boards ignorance of the Cardinals is annoying.
To call the Cardinals defense "soft" is ludicrous.
5 Sacks / 2 Ints
We are talking Dominque Rogers-Cromartie, Adrian Wilson, Kerry Rhodes. Greg Toler is no slouch and will have NO TROUBLE covering whatever 2nd or 3rd receiver he's placed on. This boards ignorance of the Cardinals is annoying.
To call the Cardinals defense "soft" is ludicrous.
oukurt
Footballguy
Lets discuss after the game then. Cards lose their opener. The Rams don't have much at WR but they have one big weapon working for Bradford and that is Steven Jackson. Not to mention the line looks much improved.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
just preseason, but bradford looked like a several year vet against NE...
he has some very positive traits...
personality-wise he appears to have poise and composure beyond his years...
he has a very effortless, compact delivery, but the ball seems to jump out of his hand... it is a very catchable ball...
also very decisive with an extremely quick release...
and is adept at putting it where the WR can make a play but away from the defender...
bradford has the size, strength and athleticism to be able to throw with accuracy/velocity/touch despite less than perfect feet positioning/body mechanics from a variety of angles...
he also seems to have a knack (ie - God-given instincts) like some of the better QBs for the timing and sense to squeeze the ball through passing lanes and fit it in between defenders...
my sense of historical perspective could be tainted by incorrigible homer-glasses, but in the pats game (and with the preseason caveat), he was one of the more polished looking rookie QBs i've seen in a long time...
STL passed on (potential) franchise QBs like ryan and sanchez in consecutive years in 2008 & 2009... but if he is as good as i think he is (going to be), bradford has a chance to emerge as one of the best pure passers to come out of the draft in the past half decade or so*... with aaron rodgers (of course, that doesn't necessarily translate to being as successful, without the same supporting cast and surrounding weapons)...
maybe not immediately, but the just traded mark clayton and rookie TE "uh oh" could be X-factors further down the road of the 2010 campaign...
* stafford is clearly talented and has a cannon arm, but imo lacks the nearly forensic precision and uncanny, preternatural, almost spooky accuracy of bradford...
he has some very positive traits...
personality-wise he appears to have poise and composure beyond his years...
he has a very effortless, compact delivery, but the ball seems to jump out of his hand... it is a very catchable ball...
also very decisive with an extremely quick release...
and is adept at putting it where the WR can make a play but away from the defender...
bradford has the size, strength and athleticism to be able to throw with accuracy/velocity/touch despite less than perfect feet positioning/body mechanics from a variety of angles...
he also seems to have a knack (ie - God-given instincts) like some of the better QBs for the timing and sense to squeeze the ball through passing lanes and fit it in between defenders...
my sense of historical perspective could be tainted by incorrigible homer-glasses, but in the pats game (and with the preseason caveat), he was one of the more polished looking rookie QBs i've seen in a long time...
STL passed on (potential) franchise QBs like ryan and sanchez in consecutive years in 2008 & 2009... but if he is as good as i think he is (going to be), bradford has a chance to emerge as one of the best pure passers to come out of the draft in the past half decade or so*... with aaron rodgers (of course, that doesn't necessarily translate to being as successful, without the same supporting cast and surrounding weapons)...
maybe not immediately, but the just traded mark clayton and rookie TE "uh oh" could be X-factors further down the road of the 2010 campaign...
* stafford is clearly talented and has a cannon arm, but imo lacks the nearly forensic precision and uncanny, preternatural, almost spooky accuracy of bradford...
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jurb26
Footballguy
St. L will do everything they can to protect Bradford in this game IMO. They know they have one of the best RB's in the NFL and I expect they will lean on Jackson heavily in this game. If Arz can get out to a lead than I think things get ugly for Bradford as St. L will find themselves in predictable situations. I don't think Arz jumps out to any huge leads though so I doubt that happens. I expect a close game because Arz doesn't have as explosive of an offense this year. I think this will be one of the most boring games of the week to be honest. The 2 largest positives that Bradford has working for him is that he has Jackson and his oline is much better than most people give St. L credit for. This is no where near the same as walking onto the Lions last year but some seem to think it is.
Taking a stab at the numbers:
14 completions, 25 attempts, 215 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, sacked 2 times.
Nothing spectacular but also nothing catastrophic either.
Taking a stab at the numbers:
14 completions, 25 attempts, 215 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, sacked 2 times.
Nothing spectacular but also nothing catastrophic either.
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Nice stats, but one correction: Carson Palmer didn't start his rookie season. He didn't even take a single snap. Sat the whole year behind Jon Kitna, who actually had a decent season. Palmer didn't start until '04, the year that Roethlisberger/Eli/Rivers entered the league.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
185/1/2
cobalt_27
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
I think he will continue to be incredibly accurate. Unfortunately, because his O line is not very good, he'll be incredibly accurate at hitting the ground in precise locations.
I think in seriousness that he'll be a good leader and may keep the STL rams in games, ala Stafford for DET last year, but due to lack of talent overall they will still lose most games.
I think in seriousness that he'll be a good leader and may keep the STL rams in games, ala Stafford for DET last year, but due to lack of talent overall they will still lose most games.
The Jacket
Footballguy
19/30, 185 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT.
The_Underachiever
Footballguy
The_Underachiever
Footballguy
Is there anything this guy cant do? Incredible.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Last year the Rams line ranked 25th in sacks allowed with 44 and 30th in QB hits with 96. The sack numbers were a bit skewed by the 15 they gave up in the last 3 games.
They will start a rookie, Roger Saffold, at left tackle and last years #1 pick, Jason Smith, at right tackle. He played only 3 complete games last year due to various injuries.
They could be weak on the edges. You can say what you want about Dansby not being in the middle but the Cards have a decent pash rush with Calais Campbell, Dockett and newly acquired Joey Porter. I guess we'll see what Porter has left in the tank but if he can't beat the rookie for at least 1 or 2 sacks this week who can he beat?
The Rams are pretty solid inside with Jason Brown, Goldberg and Bell and, right now, Smith is probably a better run blocker than pass protector. Couple this with the fact that the Cards biggest loss was in the middle with Dansby and their other starter Hayes is still recovering from back surgery. There were reports of the Cards defense getting pushed around on run defense in camp.
The Rams might be conservative and try to pound Jackson more to take some pressure off their rookie QB. Look for them to run up the middle and maybe to the right side over Smith. If they can be successful running the ball, they might slow down the rush and setup the play action.
If Arizona can stop the run, the key may be how effective Arizona's offense is. If they can't score they won't force the Rams to abandon the conservative approach. If they can score regularly, Bradford and his receivers will have to make plays and those young tackles will get tested. I think this will result in a some turnovers and maybe some big defensive plays.
I'm hoping for the latter as I am playing the Arizona D/ST in 3 leagues.
They will start a rookie, Roger Saffold, at left tackle and last years #1 pick, Jason Smith, at right tackle. He played only 3 complete games last year due to various injuries.
They could be weak on the edges. You can say what you want about Dansby not being in the middle but the Cards have a decent pash rush with Calais Campbell, Dockett and newly acquired Joey Porter. I guess we'll see what Porter has left in the tank but if he can't beat the rookie for at least 1 or 2 sacks this week who can he beat?
The Rams are pretty solid inside with Jason Brown, Goldberg and Bell and, right now, Smith is probably a better run blocker than pass protector. Couple this with the fact that the Cards biggest loss was in the middle with Dansby and their other starter Hayes is still recovering from back surgery. There were reports of the Cards defense getting pushed around on run defense in camp.
The Rams might be conservative and try to pound Jackson more to take some pressure off their rookie QB. Look for them to run up the middle and maybe to the right side over Smith. If they can be successful running the ball, they might slow down the rush and setup the play action.
If Arizona can stop the run, the key may be how effective Arizona's offense is. If they can't score they won't force the Rams to abandon the conservative approach. If they can score regularly, Bradford and his receivers will have to make plays and those young tackles will get tested. I think this will result in a some turnovers and maybe some big defensive plays.
I'm hoping for the latter as I am playing the Arizona D/ST in 3 leagues.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
I personally think you guys are over-estimating Bradford week 1. I think the Cardinals offense is going to struggle and they know that their only hope is to force turnovers and get the ball into their hands. They are going to throw everything they have at Bradford and he will make mistakes.
JMO
JMO
doowain
Footballguy
Is there anything this guy cant do? Incredible.
He can't create the Heavens and the Earth......but he's working on it. It's only his 3rd year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Palmer sat his entire first year in the league behind Kitna. That's an advantage over immediate rookie starters.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
The Rams will probably be conservative with him. 13-21 190 yards 1 td 1 int
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
Forget preseason. It will be the SJax show all day.
12/23 130 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT
12/23 130 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT
buccaneer01
Footballguy
I can see 250 yards, maybe a TD and a few interceptions. Jackson will probably get a lot of work.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
180/0/2, 2 sacks and at least 1 of the following:
1) pick six
2) sack, fumble, TD
1) pick six
2) sack, fumble, TD
Must be aYou clearly have no idea what your talking about...The rams line is actually very solid and before the injury last year Laurent Robinson was a very viable option.13-20 200 yds 1 td 1inthe should finish with more int than td. comparing him to stafford, sheesh... at least stafford had calvin johnson to throw to. who is the big proven wr here? robinson? amendola? please. this rams line is horrible. az def is not some pushover either. only way i see him getting a td is a dump off to steven jackson.my prediction: 155 yds 0 td 2 int sacked 4 times....welcome to the NFL REGULAR SEASON.
Gonna be a sacked lunch mnmnmnmn!
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
286 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT
Tbone
Shrinkage
Hope you're right because I'm going with Arizona defense expecting a rough first game for the kid.Must be aYou clearly have no idea what your talking about...The rams line is actually very solid and before the injury last year Laurent Robinson was a very viable option.13-20 200 yds 1 td 1inthe should finish with more int than td. comparing him to stafford, sheesh... at least stafford had calvin johnson to throw to. who is the big proven wr here? robinson? amendola? please. this rams line is horrible. az def is not some pushover either. only way i see him getting a td is a dump off to steven jackson.my prediction: 155 yds 0 td 2 int sacked 4 times....welcome to the NFL REGULAR SEASON.
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
Bradford - 20-27 225 , 2 tds 0 int
SJax - 25 rushes - 175 yds , 2 tds
Rams 28
Cardisnals 21
SJax - 25 rushes - 175 yds , 2 tds
Rams 28
Cardisnals 21
Otis
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
140 yards 0 td's 3 ints 5 sacks
Cards 31 Lambs 6
Cards 31 Lambs 6
shnikies
Footballguy
I agree. I see Jackson having a big game and Bradford going 14-24 for 165 yards and a touchdown with no turnovers in a 20-17 win. Jackson catches one and runs one in with 120 on the ground 50 in the air.
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The Cardinals defense did NOT take a step back this year. Rhodes will be more reliable than Rolle who was a flashy player but undisciplined. Carlos Dansby is a big loss but AZ replaced him with Daryl Washington who has been the talk of training camp and will actually start as a rookie.
Campbell, Calais
Dockett, Darnell
Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique
Wilson, Adrian
Rhodes, Kerry
Porter, Joey
= long day for Bradford
and watch how many times rookie LB Daryl Washington's name is called tomorrow for making good plays.
http://ktar.com/category/cardinals-article...gets-the-start/
I like Bradford but not in this game and maybe not until the Rams pick up one or two WRs in next year's draft.
195 yrds, 2 INT, 0 TD
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