San Diego fans...still happy with Rivers and not Brees? (7 Viewers)

[Big Daddy Kane]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

when the move from Brees to Rivers first happened I wasnt too happy, but Rivers won me over last year

SD is elite and would be with either guy at the helm.

AJ SMith's greatest blunder is not having decent ILB's on this current team

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Passing Leaders

NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT

1 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 13 14 92.9 137 9.79 29 2 14.3 0 .0 2.0 15 147.0

2 D. McNabb QB, PHI 21 33 63.6 361 10.94 90 3 9.1 0 .0 0.0 0 131.0

3 B. Favre QB, NYJ 15 22 68.2 194 8.82 56 2 9.1 0 .0 3.0 13 125.9

4 P. Rivers QB, SDG 17 27 63.0 217 8.04 44 3 11.1 0 .0 1.0 6 125.1

5 Drew Brees QB, NOR 23 32 71.9 343 10.72 84 3 9.4 1 3.1 1.0 6 124.9

 

[simey]

SD is elite and would be with either guy at the helm.

Philip had a great day yesterday. San Diego's loss wasn't due to him.

 

[Osaurus]

I like Rivers over Brees for 1 simple reason:

I recall a game last year (Broncos - Chargers) where Rivers was heckling Cutler from the sideline. He called him a baby. I laughed so hard. Anyway, Rivers is a solid QB, but Brees has the experience. I like Rivers' character. That Denver game told me he has a lot of passion for the game and doesn't take #### from no one.

 

[hacman]

Love the 20/20 hindsight by the OP... Let's not forget that Brees had a major shoulder injury when it came time to resign him

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Happy with Rivers? Absolutely.

Happy for Brees? You Betcha.

Happy with SD D line getting no push, leaving running lanes as wide as runways and DB's not covering anyone?

 

[Interseptopus]

I REALLY don't understand this post. In 2008 Rivers has out-performed Brees.

While yes, I think Brees is better, but the answer to the OPs question is a resounding "YES!". Rivers out performed Brees week one... I just don't get it

 

[Tau837]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

You pick today of all days to post this? Rivers had an awesome game yesterday.This subject has been beaten to death over the years on this board, and the people who think San Diego should have kept Brees continually choose to ignore the actual circumstances at the time they made the decision.1. Brees had a serious injury and it was unknown how well he would recover.2. Brees was a free agent looking for a big contract.3. San Diego had Rivers under a fairly large contract as well, at least from a cap hit standpoint if they were to try to move him.4. San Diego believed Rivers was going to be a very good NFL QB. This was vindicated in his first season as a starter, given that he played very well and made the Pro Bowl.The combination of all of these factors made it a fairly easy decision. And in retrospect, it was still the right decision.

 

[dapunisher]

I like Rivers over Brees for 1 simple reason:

I recall a game last year (Broncos - Chargers) where Rivers was heckling Cutler from the sideline. He called him a baby. I laughed so hard. Anyway, Rivers is a solid QB, but Brees has the experience. I like Rivers' character. That Denver game told me he has a lot pf passion for the game and doesn't take #### from no one.

I had the exact opposite reaction to that incident. I thought it made Rivers look like a chump. I liked him at NC State but that in-game trash talking to the sidelines and the taunting of the Denver fans was bush league, in my opinion.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.

Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

 

[Tau837]

I like Rivers over Brees for 1 simple reason:

I recall a game last year (Broncos - Chargers) where Rivers was heckling Cutler from the sideline. He called him a baby. I laughed so hard. Anyway, Rivers is a solid QB, but Brees has the experience. I like Rivers' character. That Denver game told me he has a lot pf passion for the game and doesn't take #### from no one.

I had the exact opposite reaction to that incident. I thought it made Rivers look like a chump. I liked him at NC State but that in-game trash talking to the sidelines and the taunting of the Denver fans was bush league, in my opinion.

You guys have the facts wrong about this incident. I posted this in January... see the bolded part below:

Relevant articles from both the Chargers support group and Rivers threads:

Broncos hate Rivers' talk show

Monday night mouthiness creates a flap in Denver

By Kevin Acee

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

December 27, 2007

Philip Rivers got the Denver Broncos bucking mad, and he doesn't really understand why.

“I don't know what the big deal is,” the Chargers quarterback said yesterday.

Two days after the Chargers beat them, the Broncos were still talking about Rivers and his mouth.

“I don't really care for the guy, first of all,” Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey told the Rocky Mountain News yesterday. “He's not a respectable guy right now, because you talk too much trash and do this and that, but you're really not a great player in this league right now. You're surrounded by great players, but you're not a great player.

“I think he needs to understand where he stands in this league – on his team first and foremost. They've got a lot of classy guys on that team. He kind of represents the classless guy on that team. He's definitely lost my respect.”

Even before Monday night's game Bailey told ESPN he didn't like Rivers because of how much Rivers talks.

In fact, someone told Rivers about the ESPN report during the game and he asked Bailey on the field, “Champ, what's up? I thought we were tight.”

Rivers talks almost constantly on the field. He considers it part of the game and loves getting into exchanges with opponents.

“I talked no more in that game than any game in my life,” he said. “ . . . We get after our guys more in practice than in that game.”

Bailey and other Broncos spoke yesterday in response to questions about Rivers being caught on camera yelling toward the Broncos during the fourth quarter, long after he had been taken out of the game in the 23-3 rout.

After a failed fourth-down pass by Jay Cutler, Rivers was shown going a few steps onto the field to greet linebackers Shaun Phillips and Matt Wilhelm. While doing so, he was looking toward the Broncos.

“We get a fourth-down stop,” Rivers recalled yesterday. “I'm not in the game anymore, so I'm way into the defense more than I normally am. . . . Matt Wilhelm and Shaun Phillips, those guys have been jawing the whole game with them. We get a good stop. They are jawing. I'm not anywhere involved. I come out to congratulate them on the stop, and while I'm out there, yeah, there is some eye contact, but I'm saying, 'Atta baby' to Matt Wilhelm and Shaun Phillips. Sure there is eye contact. Maybe there is a smirk. But I am speaking to my guys.”

Cutler could be seen at midfield looking in their direction, and Phillips said yesterday that it was Cutler who started the talking.

“It's funny,” Phillips said. “Philip walked out and told us not to say anything, that we're winning. And Cutler is yelling. . . . Cutler does a lot of talking. I thought it was funny they were talking and losing.”

Phillips said in the fourth quarter Cutler was “just letting us know he wasn't a punk. I respect that. He was letting us know he'd see us next time.”

In the exchange, Wilhelm was seen waving good-bye to the Broncos, and Phillips was pointing at the scoreboard.

But there was immediate reaction from the television commentators and in the ensuing days from fans about how the behavior was unbecoming for Rivers.

Rivers has heard the talk for more than a year that he gets too riled up during games. He has long maintained it's simply how he plays and that it even helps him.

“I'm not going to change,” he said. “ . . . I'm not saying I'm trying to be the guy who goes nuts and acts crazy. That's not who I am. But the thing is there are no bad intentions. It's all in fun.”

Other Chargers defended Rivers.

“What they've got to understand is Philip is a football player,” tight end Antonio Gates said. “If they put him in that category it wouldn't be a problem. But since he's a quarterback, quarterbacks stereotypically shouldn't say or do or act a certain kind of way on the field.

“That's the thing that's not known about him. We know him as a person. He does it in the locker room, in practice, on the field. He plays the game with his heart. That's why he's that way.”

Rivers also explained yesterday another time he was caught talking by ESPN's cameras on Monday. Rivers said after a play in which Broncos linebacker Jamie Winborn had gotten past fullback Andrew Pinnock, Winborn came near the Chargers sideline and yelled, “Where's Lo Neal?”

Rivers said he yelled back, “The ball is over there,” and then yelled to Winborn, “You're glad he ain't playing.”

Cutler said yesterday the Broncos had discussed Rivers' antics.

“It's an unfortunate situation,” he said. “They talk a lot of stuff. It got heated between the two teams. Personally, I don't think the teams like each other, which is fine. It's just going to add to it later next year and the year after that. It should be exciting.”

Of all the teams to question what Rivers has done, Denver seems an odd antagonist.

In four career starts against the Broncos, Rivers has a 119.8 passer rating, and the Chargers have won all four by an average of 39-13. In those games, he has completed 69.6 of his passes for 960 yards and seven touchdowns with two interceptions.

“I understand some of the frustration is they've lost four in a row to this team,” Rivers said. “People don't like losing four in a row.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...27chargers.html

Rivers is real

Kevin Acee

December 27, 2007

So many e-mails, so many questions in the mailbag. I thought I'd just give my take on the hyper QB here.

I cannot stress enough how great a guy Philip Rivers is. I say that not because he makes my job easier and more enjoyable. I say it because it is the truth.

He is not a poor sport or in any way the ugly trash talker some are portraying.

I defend him (if that's what you want to call it) because I know that he's real. He is who he is. And it is what makes him who he is -- on the field, in the locker room, at practice. He just loves the game and plays it all out.

Nope, he has not yet won a playoff game. (He's 0-1 in the postseason.) But after 31 regular-season starts, he has won 24 times. He has an 86.8 passer rating and has thrown 41 touchdown passes to 24 interceptions in those 31 starts.

Sure, as Champ Bailey noted, he is surrounded by great players. Rivers is fortunate to have LT, Antonio Gates and now Chris Chambers. But Rivers is also a very good quarterback. He has struggled this year. He is not a Pro Bowler. But he makes throws and decisions that reveal he is a fine QB. And he is tougher than many.

As for how Rivers acts on the field, his talking and gesturing is part of his play. It always has been. I'd imagine it always will be.

The comment I hear most often is that Rivers should stop talking and concentrate on playing better. Do people who say that think he is not spending 80 hours a week working on being better? Do they think if he stopped yapping, he'd automatically be better. I argue that he might be worse.

I used to cover a guy named Jim Edmonds, who had something of the opposite "problem" as Rivers. His teammates and Angels management wondered aloud again and again how good a player Edmonds would be if he just tried harder, was more passionate about the game. Thing was, Edmonds was the most exciting and most clutch baseball player I ever covered on a daily basis. When the rest of the Angels were collapsing in September of 1998, he was batting something like .380. His argument (and mine) was that if he were a different guy, he wouldn't be as good a player.

I'm not saying everything Rivers says or does is brilliant or even advised.

But honestly, if Rivers were a linebacker, no one would even notice. As he said yesterday, if he were to give me a list of all the things that were said on the field Monday night by every player, "It would be longer than the Mitchell Report."

He does not talk about people's mom's or wives. He doesn't curse.

"To think of what is said on the field that is way worse than anything out of my mouth is unimaginable," Rivers said.

He has all the respect in the world for Champ Bailey.

"You don't go after the guy," Rivers said.

But he loves to have fun and considers that fun part of the game. When he does complete a pass on Bailey, if Bailey looks at him, Rivers said he will grin "like, 'Hey we got you.' It's always been a very respectful communication between me and him."

He noted that maybe Bailey hasn't taken it that way.

Rivers was honestly surprised by the hubbub over what happened Monday.

He said he took no offense to what anyone said to him or his teammates. Recalling Jamie Winborn hollering about Lorenzo Neal on Monday, Rivers said, "So what? I would have done that too. It's fun."

I promise you he is like that pretty much every moment of the day. Quite a few times I have gotten irritated at him for interrupting an interview by walking by and making fun of me or his teammate that I'm trying to talk to.

The reasons this is an issue is because ESPN had about a million cameras at that game and the game was a blowout and Rivers was on the sideline. And because he is a quarterback, people think he shouldn't act this way.

As he reminded me last night of his high school career, "I used to be a linebacker."

 

[JAA]

is this the thread where we blame Rivers for the loss @home to Carolina?

 

[jonessed]

I like them both. Noone was sure how Brees would come off the shoulder injury so I think keeping Rivers was the best alternative at the time.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

SD is elite and would be with either guy at the helm.

Philip had a great day yesterday. San Diego's loss wasn't due to him.

nope the gates fumble and the prevent defense at the end

 

[Tau837]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

They got some compensatory pick(s) for Brees. As I understand it, it is not a 1-for-1 situation, meaning they didn't get a specific pick for losing Brees; instead, I believe the NFL looks at all additions/losses and comes up with one or more compensatory picks from the third round on. I believe in the 2007 draft, the Chargers had a third round compensatory pick (Anthony Waters) and a 5th round compensatory pick (Legedu Naanee). Maurile can either confirm or correct me on these details.I assume you meant something more than that, but I'm not sure how you think something else would work logistically. The NFL doesn't do sign and trade deals like the NBA, given that any deal Brees would have signed would have had a large signing bonus and thus created an instant large cap hit for trading him. So they either had to let him go as they did or sign him to a big contract to say onboard... and then they would have had nowhere for Rivers and might have had to trade him and eat a large cap hit. There just wasn't a better solution available.

 

[David Yudkin]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

They got some compensatory pick(s) for Brees. As I understand it, it is not a 1-for-1 situation, meaning they didn't get a specific pick for losing Brees; instead, I believe the NFL looks at all additions/losses and comes up with one or more compensatory picks from the third round on. I believe in the 2007 draft, the Chargers had a third round compensatory pick (Anthony Waters) and a 5th round compensatory pick (Legedu Naanee). Maurile can either confirm or correct me on these details.I assume you meant something more than that, but I'm not sure how you think something else would work logistically. The NFL doesn't do sign and trade deals like the NBA, given that any deal Brees would have signed would have had a large signing bonus and thus created an instant large cap hit for trading him. So they either had to let him go as they did or sign him to a big contract to say onboard... and then they would have had nowhere for Rivers and might have had to trade him and eat a large cap hit. There just wasn't a better solution available.

I'm not sure what I mean.

 

[*****]

I've always thought the biggest blunder related to Brees' free agency was Miami's decision to trade for Culpepper instead of signing Brees. Miami was not the total disaster it became at that point and I think they had the inside track on signing him if they wanted him.

 

[Tau837]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Imagine if the Chargers had drafted Larry Fitzgerald instead of Philip Rivers. They'd have LT, Fitz, Gates, and Drew Brees. That's a dream offense that could/should have been a reality for the Chargers.

 

[Novice2]

is this the thread where we blame Rivers for the loss @home to Carolina?

Yes it is. Any QB other than Rivers would have waved off the XP team on the last TD and went for and got the 2 point conversion making the game 25 -19. Then when the kittys scored their TD any QB other than Rivers would have went out there and blocked their XP sending the game into overtime and there any QB other than Rivers would have won the coin toss and drove down for the winning FG. ( That the QB other than Rivers would have kicked himself of course )

 

[Afro Samurai]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

Not sure this is true. Brees is a Montana type, Rivers is a Marino type. The Saints have an offense that's built around timing and game management. I don't think Rivers has shown those skills yet, at least not to the extent Brees usually does.

 

[Chaka]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

 

[dapunisher]

I like Rivers over Brees for 1 simple reason:

I recall a game last year (Broncos - Chargers) where Rivers was heckling Cutler from the sideline. He called him a baby. I laughed so hard. Anyway, Rivers is a solid QB, but Brees has the experience. I like Rivers' character. That Denver game told me he has a lot pf passion for the game and doesn't take #### from no one.

I had the exact opposite reaction to that incident. I thought it made Rivers look like a chump. I liked him at NC State but that in-game trash talking to the sidelines and the taunting of the Denver fans was bush league, in my opinion.

You guys have the facts wrong about this incident. I posted this in January... see the bolded part below:

Relevant articles from both the Chargers support group and Rivers threads:

Broncos hate Rivers' talk show

Monday night mouthiness creates a flap in Denver

By Kevin Acee

UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

December 27, 2007

Philip Rivers got the Denver Broncos bucking mad, and he doesn't really understand why.

“I don't know what the big deal is,” the Chargers quarterback said yesterday.

Two days after the Chargers beat them, the Broncos were still talking about Rivers and his mouth.

“I don't really care for the guy, first of all,” Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey told the Rocky Mountain News yesterday. “He's not a respectable guy right now, because you talk too much trash and do this and that, but you're really not a great player in this league right now. You're surrounded by great players, but you're not a great player.

“I think he needs to understand where he stands in this league – on his team first and foremost. They've got a lot of classy guys on that team. He kind of represents the classless guy on that team. He's definitely lost my respect.”

Even before Monday night's game Bailey told ESPN he didn't like Rivers because of how much Rivers talks.

In fact, someone told Rivers about the ESPN report during the game and he asked Bailey on the field, “Champ, what's up? I thought we were tight.”

Rivers talks almost constantly on the field. He considers it part of the game and loves getting into exchanges with opponents.

“I talked no more in that game than any game in my life,” he said. “ . . . We get after our guys more in practice than in that game.”

Bailey and other Broncos spoke yesterday in response to questions about Rivers being caught on camera yelling toward the Broncos during the fourth quarter, long after he had been taken out of the game in the 23-3 rout.

After a failed fourth-down pass by Jay Cutler, Rivers was shown going a few steps onto the field to greet linebackers Shaun Phillips and Matt Wilhelm. While doing so, he was looking toward the Broncos.

“We get a fourth-down stop,” Rivers recalled yesterday. “I'm not in the game anymore, so I'm way into the defense more than I normally am. . . . Matt Wilhelm and Shaun Phillips, those guys have been jawing the whole game with them. We get a good stop. They are jawing. I'm not anywhere involved. I come out to congratulate them on the stop, and while I'm out there, yeah, there is some eye contact, but I'm saying, 'Atta baby' to Matt Wilhelm and Shaun Phillips. Sure there is eye contact. Maybe there is a smirk. But I am speaking to my guys.”

Cutler could be seen at midfield looking in their direction, and Phillips said yesterday that it was Cutler who started the talking.

“It's funny,” Phillips said. “Philip walked out and told us not to say anything, that we're winning. And Cutler is yelling. . . . Cutler does a lot of talking. I thought it was funny they were talking and losing.”

Phillips said in the fourth quarter Cutler was “just letting us know he wasn't a punk. I respect that. He was letting us know he'd see us next time.”

In the exchange, Wilhelm was seen waving good-bye to the Broncos, and Phillips was pointing at the scoreboard.

But there was immediate reaction from the television commentators and in the ensuing days from fans about how the behavior was unbecoming for Rivers.

Rivers has heard the talk for more than a year that he gets too riled up during games. He has long maintained it's simply how he plays and that it even helps him.

“I'm not going to change,” he said. “ . . . I'm not saying I'm trying to be the guy who goes nuts and acts crazy. That's not who I am. But the thing is there are no bad intentions. It's all in fun.”

Other Chargers defended Rivers.

“What they've got to understand is Philip is a football player,” tight end Antonio Gates said. “If they put him in that category it wouldn't be a problem. But since he's a quarterback, quarterbacks stereotypically shouldn't say or do or act a certain kind of way on the field.

“That's the thing that's not known about him. We know him as a person. He does it in the locker room, in practice, on the field. He plays the game with his heart. That's why he's that way.”

Rivers also explained yesterday another time he was caught talking by ESPN's cameras on Monday. Rivers said after a play in which Broncos linebacker Jamie Winborn had gotten past fullback Andrew Pinnock, Winborn came near the Chargers sideline and yelled, “Where's Lo Neal?”

Rivers said he yelled back, “The ball is over there,” and then yelled to Winborn, “You're glad he ain't playing.”

Cutler said yesterday the Broncos had discussed Rivers' antics.

“It's an unfortunate situation,” he said. “They talk a lot of stuff. It got heated between the two teams. Personally, I don't think the teams like each other, which is fine. It's just going to add to it later next year and the year after that. It should be exciting.”

Of all the teams to question what Rivers has done, Denver seems an odd antagonist.

In four career starts against the Broncos, Rivers has a 119.8 passer rating, and the Chargers have won all four by an average of 39-13. In those games, he has completed 69.6 of his passes for 960 yards and seven touchdowns with two interceptions.

“I understand some of the frustration is they've lost four in a row to this team,” Rivers said. “People don't like losing four in a row.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...27chargers.html

Rivers is real

Kevin Acee

December 27, 2007

So many e-mails, so many questions in the mailbag. I thought I'd just give my take on the hyper QB here.

I cannot stress enough how great a guy Philip Rivers is. I say that not because he makes my job easier and more enjoyable. I say it because it is the truth.

He is not a poor sport or in any way the ugly trash talker some are portraying.

I defend him (if that's what you want to call it) because I know that he's real. He is who he is. And it is what makes him who he is -- on the field, in the locker room, at practice. He just loves the game and plays it all out.

Nope, he has not yet won a playoff game. (He's 0-1 in the postseason.) But after 31 regular-season starts, he has won 24 times. He has an 86.8 passer rating and has thrown 41 touchdown passes to 24 interceptions in those 31 starts.

Sure, as Champ Bailey noted, he is surrounded by great players. Rivers is fortunate to have LT, Antonio Gates and now Chris Chambers. But Rivers is also a very good quarterback. He has struggled this year. He is not a Pro Bowler. But he makes throws and decisions that reveal he is a fine QB. And he is tougher than many.

As for how Rivers acts on the field, his talking and gesturing is part of his play. It always has been. I'd imagine it always will be.

The comment I hear most often is that Rivers should stop talking and concentrate on playing better. Do people who say that think he is not spending 80 hours a week working on being better? Do they think if he stopped yapping, he'd automatically be better. I argue that he might be worse.

I used to cover a guy named Jim Edmonds, who had something of the opposite "problem" as Rivers. His teammates and Angels management wondered aloud again and again how good a player Edmonds would be if he just tried harder, was more passionate about the game. Thing was, Edmonds was the most exciting and most clutch baseball player I ever covered on a daily basis. When the rest of the Angels were collapsing in September of 1998, he was batting something like .380. His argument (and mine) was that if he were a different guy, he wouldn't be as good a player.

I'm not saying everything Rivers says or does is brilliant or even advised.

But honestly, if Rivers were a linebacker, no one would even notice. As he said yesterday, if he were to give me a list of all the things that were said on the field Monday night by every player, "It would be longer than the Mitchell Report."

He does not talk about people's mom's or wives. He doesn't curse.

"To think of what is said on the field that is way worse than anything out of my mouth is unimaginable," Rivers said.

He has all the respect in the world for Champ Bailey.

"You don't go after the guy," Rivers said.

But he loves to have fun and considers that fun part of the game. When he does complete a pass on Bailey, if Bailey looks at him, Rivers said he will grin "like, 'Hey we got you.' It's always been a very respectful communication between me and him."

He noted that maybe Bailey hasn't taken it that way.

Rivers was honestly surprised by the hubbub over what happened Monday.

He said he took no offense to what anyone said to him or his teammates. Recalling Jamie Winborn hollering about Lorenzo Neal on Monday, Rivers said, "So what? I would have done that too. It's fun."

I promise you he is like that pretty much every moment of the day. Quite a few times I have gotten irritated at him for interrupting an interview by walking by and making fun of me or his teammate that I'm trying to talk to.

The reasons this is an issue is because ESPN had about a million cameras at that game and the game was a blowout and Rivers was on the sideline. And because he is a quarterback, people think he shouldn't act this way.

As he reminded me last night of his high school career, "I used to be a linebacker."

I don't think the above articles cast Rivers in a better light. If anything, they confirm that he runs his mouth constantly, and that this is part of his personality. I like him even less after reading your post.

 

[Fiddles]

here we go again

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

Rivers was great yesterday, I doubt you will find many Charger fans that are unhappy with him as the QB. Brees would have imploded under the pressure and thrown a pick six. I mean down 2 scores in the 4th Q, Rivers led back to back TD drives, not his fault he cant also play middle linebacker.

 

[Tau837]

is this the thread where we blame Rivers for the loss @home to Carolina?

Yes it is. Any QB other than Rivers would have waved off the XP team on the last TD and went for and got the 2 point conversion making the game 25 -19. Then when the kittys scored their TD any QB other than Rivers would have went out there and blocked their XP sending the game into overtime and there any QB other than Rivers would have won the coin toss and drove down for the winning FG. ( That the QB other than Rivers would have kicked himself of course )

Actually, any QB other than Rivers would have just gone out on that last drive to shore up the defense and prevented the Carolina TD, thus eliminating the need to block the XP.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

here we go again

like a drifter I was born to walk alone

 

[shining path]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

Me too.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

Tip to SD fans: don't make any sig bets with BDK if the boys and bolts play each other this year....

 

[Gr00vus]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

Me too.

I'll go ahead and disagree with you two.

 

[Gr00vus]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

Tip to SD fans: don't make any sig bets with BDK if the boys and bolts play each other this year....

Did you have a NE/DAL sig bet with him?

 

[shining path]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

Me too.

I'll go ahead and disagree with you two.

Don't you dare...

 

[Gr00vus]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

Me too.

I'll go ahead and disagree with you two.

Don't you dare...

Too late!

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

Tip to SD fans: don't make any sig bets with BDK if the boys and bolts play each other this year....

Did you have a NE/DAL sig bet with him?

Nope. Referencing his infamous MIA status for months after the Pats bi$#%-slapped the boys last year.

 

[Linus Scrimmage]

With LT2 having a turf toe injury, the entire offense might be in Rivers hand this year

 

[shining path]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

Me too.

I'll go ahead and disagree with you two.

Don't you dare...

Too late!

 

[Gr00vus]

Drew Brees is a playmaker...Phillip Rivers is a game manager. With Brees, San Diego would have been elite. With Rivers San Diego is good. Still the greatest blunder my A.J. Smith.

Tip to SD fans: don't make any sig bets with BDK if the boys and bolts play each other this year....

Did you have a NE/DAL sig bet with him?

Nope. Referencing his infamous MIA status for months after the Pats bi$#%-slapped the boys last year.

Oh, well the Chargers did already beat the Cowboys a month ago in preseason. I don't think they'll be playing again this year though...

 

[Chaka]

Put Rivers on the Saints and let him throw 600 times a year and we'd be asking the same question in reverse.

I doubt that sincerely.

Me too.

I'll go ahead and disagree with you two.

Don't you dare...

Too late!

Now you've gone and done it.

 

[Worm]

Rivers not a playmaker?

Did you SEE the TD pass to Gates?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

To answer the question in the thread title: yes.

I love Brees.

If I had to pick one guy or the other . . . there's really no wrong choice. But given their contract and injury situations at the time, the easy choice was Rivers.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Passing Leaders

NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT

1 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 13 14 92.9 137 9.79 29 2 14.3 0 .0 2.0 15 147.0

2 D. McNabb QB, PHI 21 33 63.6 361 10.94 90 3 9.1 0 .0 0.0 0 131.0

3 B. Favre QB, NYJ 15 22 68.2 194 8.82 56 2 9.1 0 .0 3.0 13 125.9

4 P. Rivers QB, SDG 17 27 63.0 217 8.04 44 3 11.1 0 .0 1.0 6 125.1

5 Drew Brees QB, NOR 23 32 71.9 343 10.72 84 3 9.4 1 3.1 1.0 6 124.9

LOL@ using QB rating as the best metric to compare the two.

 

[Assani Fisher]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

exactly...and they could've gotten a lot for Rivers.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Passing Leaders

NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT

1 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 13 14 92.9 137 9.79 29 2 14.3 0 .0 2.0 15 147.0

2 D. McNabb QB, PHI 21 33 63.6 361 10.94 90 3 9.1 0 .0 0.0 0 131.0

3 B. Favre QB, NYJ 15 22 68.2 194 8.82 56 2 9.1 0 .0 3.0 13 125.9

4 P. Rivers QB, SDG 17 27 63.0 217 8.04 44 3 11.1 0 .0 1.0 6 125.1

5 Drew Brees QB, NOR 23 32 71.9 343 10.72 84 3 9.4 1 3.1 1.0 6 124.9

LOL@ using QB rating as the best metric to compare the two.

Which metric would you suggest we use that would make Charger fans feel insecure about a three touchdown game?

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

exactly...and they could've gotten a lot for Rivers.

The accelerated cap hit the Chargers would have taken by moving his contract made him virtually untradeable.

 

[jaybebo]

SD is elite and would be with either guy at the helm.

Philip had a great day yesterday. San Diego's loss wasn't due to him.

nope the gates fumble and the prevent defense at the end

Can't blame it on the prevent defense on this one...it did the job...it prevented them from winning.

 

[Tau837]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

exactly...and they could've gotten a lot for Rivers.

The accelerated cap hit the Chargers would have taken by moving his contract made him virtually untradeable.

Exactly. As I posted earlier in the thread, people refuse to accept the facts of the situation when they bash the Chargers for how they handled it.

 

[Tau837]

To answer the question in the thread title: yes.I love Brees.If I had to pick one guy or the other . . . there's really no wrong choice. But given their contract and injury situations at the time, the easy choice was Rivers.

As usual.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The only problem for the Chargers in the Rivers/Brees situation was that they got nothing for letting Brees walk.Maybe there was nothing to get, but I have a hard time believing that.

exactly...and they could've gotten a lot for Rivers.

The accelerated cap hit the Chargers would have taken by moving his contract made him virtually untradeable.

Exactly. As I posted earlier in the thread, people refuse to accept the facts of the situation when they bash the Chargers for how they handled it. :(

Couldn't they have traded him during the last year of his rookie contract (if I remember right, he only played out his rookie contract and didn't get an extension)? I can't believe it was that big for a guy drafted at the top of the 2nd round.