San Francisco 49ers 2013 thread (SEE NEW 2014 THREAD) (1 Viewer)

[drummer]

Meh. Kumperdinc was a dropped pick-6 away from losing in the wildcard week to GB. You can't play this poorly and expect to win consistently. I think the 9ers got the most out of this game.

You have to be drunk to understand this.

 

[Mark Davis]

Meh. Kumperdinc was a dropped pick-6 away from losing in the wildcard week to GB. You can't play this poorly and expect to win consistently. I think the 9ers got the most out of this game.

You have to be drunk to understand this.

Well, this is the guy over in the other thread who can't comprehend that the roughing/running into the kicker call wasn't discretionary because the plant leg was contacted.

 

[drummer]

Meh. Kumperdinc was a dropped pick-6 away from losing in the wildcard week to GB. You can't play this poorly and expect to win consistently. I think the 9ers got the most out of this game.

You have to be drunk to understand this.

Well, this is the guy over in the other thread who can't comprehend that the roughing/running into the kicker call wasn't discretionary because the plant leg was contacted.

I checked out one of his posts there. He ate too many paint chips as a child.

 

[BaBastage]

Meh. Kumperdinc was a dropped pick-6 away from losing in the wildcard week to GB. You can't play this poorly and expect to win consistently. I think the 9ers got the most out of this game.

"Truly you have a dizzying intellect."

Your mancrush on Princess Bride is not becoming of a forum troll. (Inigo Montoya, Humperdink reference.)

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Meh. Kumperdinc was a dropped pick-6 away from losing in the wildcard week to GB. You can't play this poorly and expect to win consistently. I think the 9ers got the most out of this game.

You have to be drunk to understand this.

Well, this is the guy over in the other thread who can't comprehend that the roughing/running into the kicker call wasn't discretionary because the plant leg was contacted.

Did they review this play, or was it called without the benefit of instant replay? If they reviewed it, then I stand corrected and the ref really screwed up. If not, I still say that play is 50/50. I've seen so many running into / roughing the kicker calls that could have gone either way this year.

 

[Neofight]

I dunno how accurate this data is (and feel free to chime in on it), but I was curious to look at the offense on 3rd down over the past three seasons. I don't need to look at the seasons before those three because I already know how bad they were on 3rd down, lol. Anyway, here is a link to their rankings or however they compile the data:

2011: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2012-02-05

On this sites "rankings", the 49ers are slotted 31st above STL at 32nd. I can agree with that since all I complained about here in 2011 was how bad they were on 3rd down, lol, and posted how they were at the bottom of the league in that stat during that time.

2012: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2013-02-03

I've posted on how the 49ers had improved on 3rd down when they switched from Kaep and Smith, but also, Smith and the rushing attack had some huge offensive games like against BUF yet the next game just flat out suck like against NYG, where Smith tossed 3 INTs. In fairness to Smith, Kaep also laid some huge eggs in games like against STL, NE (for a half), and of course SEA. But despite the mini QB turmoil, the drastic shift of QB style between Smith and Kaep, how the play calling and execution of offensive plays was affected by all that, they actually improved according to the ranking to 22nd.

I agree that they had improved on 3rd down, although not knowing exactly how much, but I know it was significant. I'm justing wondering how much more significant. If it's nine points above 2011, then yeah, I'll take that. 31st to 22nd is a significant jump.

2013: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

They make the jump from 22nd to 17th.

This is Kaep's first full 16 games sched, with he being the starter at camp, Smith traded, the de-facto starter of the 49ers, who he just lost as starting QB halfway into his second season. A young QB's first full 16 game sched is huge, and any young QB who can win his first full regular season into the playoffs is pretty darn phenomenal, like Wilson, Luck, etc.

~I think Luck is better than Wilson, and I think Wilson now is better than Kaep, with Luck way above both of them.~

Why would you put Luck way above Wilson or Kaep? It's not like Luck had a much better season in 2013, and certainly both Wilson and Kaep had better seasons in 2012. Both are more than a yard per attempt ahead of Luck, and both are better runners (though Luck's not bad). And both are still alive in the playoffs, while Luck threw seven INTs in two games.

That was a bit of a sidebar. I'm more curious about you think about the 3rd down progression.

As far as Luck, there is no argument on his impact overall as QB over Wilson and Kaep. If Luck was with Harbaugh, Roman, and Fangio from Year One in the NFL, well.....

Luck with Pete Carroll: that's insane too.

ETA: 3rd down to me is a QB down. I screwed this thing up with my thoughts about Luck. Let's talk 3rd down.

Luck with the 49ers or Seahawks would still be in a run first offense and have his lapses in judgement. His upside is huge, but he didn't come close to meeting it this year. I'd say even Kaepernick showed fewer critical lapses than Luck, though he is asked to do far less.

Luck in two full 16 game regular season scheds:

46 TDs to 27 INTs, with over 8000 yards passing.

Just for the lulz since you bring up Alex Smith, here is the same stats career wise of Smith since 2005:

104 TDs to 70 INTs, with over 17,000 yards passing.

I won't bring in Kaep until is he plays 2 consecutive 16 game scheds, because you basically know what kind of QB you have after two consecutive 16 game scheds. In fairness to Smith, he never played 2 full consecutive 16 game scheds.

If you're a Hawk fan, you should know Alex Smith since he played in the division since 2005 to 2012. But Hawk fans are the worst fans in the division - even Cardinal and Ram fans know Smith - because they never knew what division they were in until this season.

I remember a game against SEA where the 49ers just squeaked by them even though SEA didn't have hardly any WR's during the Mike Nolan era. That was a war of attrition.

Just stay out of this thread. You don't know 49er football because you never knew AFCW football. You were and still on the outside of the division you were in prior to 2002. I find it funny that Hawk fans decided to show up to the party this season. Now they are trying to tell me about the current 49er QB while forgetting the Montana/Allen KC Chief team beat your Rick Mirer led team twice.

Keep your head up and stick to what is said. Shouldn't be difficult for you as it's the offseason.Kaep did probably show today that he is more prone to critical lapses than Luck. You should have come back and edited your post to indicate as much before I saw it.

 

[drummer]

I dunno how accurate this data is (and feel free to chime in on it), but I was curious to look at the offense on 3rd down over the past three seasons. I don't need to look at the seasons before those three because I already know how bad they were on 3rd down, lol. Anyway, here is a link to their rankings or however they compile the data:

2011: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2012-02-05

On this sites "rankings", the 49ers are slotted 31st above STL at 32nd. I can agree with that since all I complained about here in 2011 was how bad they were on 3rd down, lol, and posted how they were at the bottom of the league in that stat during that time.

2012: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2013-02-03

I've posted on how the 49ers had improved on 3rd down when they switched from Kaep and Smith, but also, Smith and the rushing attack had some huge offensive games like against BUF yet the next game just flat out suck like against NYG, where Smith tossed 3 INTs. In fairness to Smith, Kaep also laid some huge eggs in games like against STL, NE (for a half), and of course SEA. But despite the mini QB turmoil, the drastic shift of QB style between Smith and Kaep, how the play calling and execution of offensive plays was affected by all that, they actually improved according to the ranking to 22nd.

I agree that they had improved on 3rd down, although not knowing exactly how much, but I know it was significant. I'm justing wondering how much more significant. If it's nine points above 2011, then yeah, I'll take that. 31st to 22nd is a significant jump.

2013: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

They make the jump from 22nd to 17th.

This is Kaep's first full 16 games sched, with he being the starter at camp, Smith traded, the de-facto starter of the 49ers, who he just lost as starting QB halfway into his second season. A young QB's first full 16 game sched is huge, and any young QB who can win his first full regular season into the playoffs is pretty darn phenomenal, like Wilson, Luck, etc.

~I think Luck is better than Wilson, and I think Wilson now is better than Kaep, with Luck way above both of them.~

Why would you put Luck way above Wilson or Kaep? It's not like Luck had a much better season in 2013, and certainly both Wilson and Kaep had better seasons in 2012. Both are more than a yard per attempt ahead of Luck, and both are better runners (though Luck's not bad). And both are still alive in the playoffs, while Luck threw seven INTs in two games.

That was a bit of a sidebar. I'm more curious about you think about the 3rd down progression.

As far as Luck, there is no argument on his impact overall as QB over Wilson and Kaep. If Luck was with Harbaugh, Roman, and Fangio from Year One in the NFL, well.....

Luck with Pete Carroll: that's insane too.

ETA: 3rd down to me is a QB down. I screwed this thing up with my thoughts about Luck. Let's talk 3rd down.

Luck with the 49ers or Seahawks would still be in a run first offense and have his lapses in judgement. His upside is huge, but he didn't come close to meeting it this year. I'd say even Kaepernick showed fewer critical lapses than Luck, though he is asked to do far less.

Luck in two full 16 game regular season scheds:

46 TDs to 27 INTs, with over 8000 yards passing.

Just for the lulz since you bring up Alex Smith, here is the same stats career wise of Smith since 2005:

104 TDs to 70 INTs, with over 17,000 yards passing.

I won't bring in Kaep until is he plays 2 consecutive 16 game scheds, because you basically know what kind of QB you have after two consecutive 16 game scheds. In fairness to Smith, he never played 2 full consecutive 16 game scheds.

If you're a Hawk fan, you should know Alex Smith since he played in the division since 2005 to 2012. But Hawk fans are the worst fans in the division - even Cardinal and Ram fans know Smith - because they never knew what division they were in until this season.

I remember a game against SEA where the 49ers just squeaked by them even though SEA didn't have hardly any WR's during the Mike Nolan era. That was a war of attrition.

Just stay out of this thread. You don't know 49er football because you never knew AFCW football. You were and still on the outside of the division you were in prior to 2002. I find it funny that Hawk fans decided to show up to the party this season. Now they are trying to tell me about the current 49er QB while forgetting the Montana/Allen KC Chief team beat your Rick Mirer led team twice.

Keep your head up and stick to what is said. Shouldn't be difficult for you as it's the offseason.Kaep did probably show today that he is more prone to critical lapses than Luck. You should have come back and edited your post to indicate as much before I saw it.

at the "more prone to critical lapses" since Luck has way more INTs this post season than Kaep. I've watched a lot more Luck in college than I had Kaep - almost every game of his - and I'm a big fan of Luck.

Your problem is: you don't know much about football. I doubt you even know much about the team you root for. Being that SEA came into the NFCW in 2002, you should at least be more aware of Alex Smith's career in SF since 2005, prior to 2011. But you were in your rabbit hole, and now crawl out of it to nibble at the dangling carrot. I'd give more credence to your opinion if it wasn't so vapid and empty. You just simply add nothing. That's your problem. I can see you trying to work that out, but you aren't bright enough to troll this off.

 

[ScottyDog]

Seahawk fan here. Great job 9ers. You are truly an awesome team. I am looking forward to the rivalry for years to come. I used to hate Harbaugh before this game. I like him now. The guy showed class at the end and you could see he had been crying. You can tell he really cares about his players. I also was not a Kapernick fan but I was really impressed with his game. That one jump throw for a TD was AMAZING. Once he gets the inconsistent throws worked out, he will be an annual pro bowler. Navarro, I am so sorry. You are a great player and I hope you bounce back quick. SHERMAN....You should be embarrassed, I am.

 

[drummer]

Ray Ratto on the game:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/ratto-better-team-won

LOL, 49er fans hate Ratto because he tells it like it is, and he's right most of the time. He's the anti Matt Maiocco. But he brings up a very good point about the 49ers offense:

He is saying that without Gore bailing them out, the offense struggles, and SEA shut him down today. It's been that way for years with either QB of Smith and Kaep. Heck, Gore bailed out a lot of 49er QBs in the past too. You go 7-9 in 2006 with Smith going 16 TDs to 16 INTs because Norv Turner had Gore with Larry Allen help plow the way for almost 1700 yards. Today you had to have Kaep make up all the offense because the offensive identity is shifting to Kaep. It would be nice if Baalke could draft offensive guys who can get on the field of play and have any sort of consistent impact, but he hasn't. Again, his 2012 draft is a dog. His 2013 draft is mostly kitchen shelf items waiting to be baked in the oven.

I think former 49er Personnel Exec/GM and current SEA Exec Scot McCloughan gives SEA a huge edge over his former FO mates in Parag Marathe and his former scout in Baalke. That's a nice pull for Carroll, who is also part of the 49er tree. He knows Marathe and Baalke all too well. He knows Marathe's salary cap philosophy and contract structures too. If Baalke craps the bed or hits in a draft, you know ScotM can help the SEA FO counter it. He built this current 49er team. He may have had Bowman targeted on his draft board just a few weeks before he quit before that draft, which Baalke had to run with Singletary.

ScotM is the main architect of building this current 49er team on both offense and defense. He also built it around Gore when it comes to the offense. To me, the main reason why the passing offense has sucked for years since Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens is that:

A) They never had a QB/WR tandem since then.

B) They never were able to build a passing offense because they were so adamant on Alex Smith

C) They still can't draft a WR, and if Crabs didn't land on ScotM's lap, they would had missed on him as well.

2014 is Baalke's critical year. The Bay Area media has hung on his fruit because Jed York makes sure of that. Jed did some pre-emptive strikes with the local media saying that there is harmony between Baalke and Harbaugh, and that Harbaugh never challenges Baalke over personnel. Of course, this is all media smoke because Harbaugh is up for an extension, and we all know Harbaugh will eventually get what he wants. But that may mean more power over Marathe and Baalke with the purse strings, since they have been too cute with the past two drafts, trying to keep the cap malleable. The past two drafts have had not much impact outside of Eric Reid. Gore may be done. So how are they gonna build after this?

 

[drummer]

Seahawk fan here. Great job 9ers. You are truly an awesome team. I am looking forward to the rivalry for years to come. I used to hate Harbaugh before this game. I like him now. The guy showed class at the end and you could see he had been crying. You can tell he really cares about his players. I also was not a Kapernick fan but I was really impressed with his game. That one jump throw for a TD was AMAZING. Once he gets the inconsistent throws worked out, he will be an annual pro bowler. Navarro, I am so sorry. You are a great player and I hope you bounce back quick. SHERMAN....You should be embarrassed, I am.

I hope you don't have to see any more bullets in butts.

That was an awesome win for SEA. Good luck in the SB!

 

[Spin]

Can't help but wonder if the ghosts of superbowl past got to Kaep at the end there. He's said a few times that he wishes he had thrown the last pass a bit more underthrown to give Crabtree a chance to go up and make a play. If he puts that on the pylon, Crab scores, he had Sherman beat. Tough loss, it's easy to blame the refs, but we had a shot at the end to win it. Feel so bad for Bowman, hope he is ok. That looked brutal.

I'd really like to seem them take a shot at Nicks this offseason but it probably won't happen. Will be interesting to see what happens with Boldin, I'd like to see him stick around another season.

Contracts that I'd like to see extended:

Kaep, Crabtree, Iupati, Culliver, Aldon Smith (really depends on how those gun charges shape out though), Miller, Goodwyn

I think they are all FA in 2015. Pretty interested in seeing what Kaep gets, I'm guessing in the 16-18 per season range?

Pretty meh on Kendall Hunter, especially with Lattimore in the waiting.

Harbaugh is going to get an extension as well.

Getting Culliver back for next season will be nice, he was playing so well up until the superbowl last year. Interested to see what happens with Brown as well, I'm guessing he goes elsewhere.

 

[Hooper31]

I agree with you on all your comments but one.

If he puts that on the pylon, Crab scores, he had Sherman beat.

You feel strongly about this? That looked like textbook blanket coverage on a deep sideline route. Sherman had his outside shoulder against Crabtree's chest the whole way with his head turned around locating the ball. IMO that's about as non-beat as it gets. I don't want to get caught up in all the emotional garbage. I get it. Richard Sherman has emotional outbursts that make him look foolish, but they one thing he does better than every CB in the NFL is cover the deep sideline pattern. The combination of his arm length, height, and ball skills make him very tough to throw over.

 

[5Rings]

That hurts. Refs hosed us, and the franchise QB choked in the clutch. And a classless team and fan base (hooper and Russell Wilson excepted) advances. Bowman torn acl and iupati broken ankle. Ouch. Just ouch.

I'm not a Niners fan, but I feel for you guys. Definitely got hosed by the refs on some very big plays. And if Kaep puts one more foot on that throw you win the game. And that classless taunting by Seattle after the game was just about the worst thing I've ever seen in football. Classless and pathetic. Was glad to see your team take the high road after the game.You've got a great franchise, great fans, and a great young team. You'll be back.

Here's hoping that Seattle gets their arrogant asses kicked in two weeks. I don't think I could stomach seeing those clowns win.

Thanks for a very cool post, Tso.

I think Kap is taking too much of the blame here. He was a one man offensive show against the best (or second best, debate away) defense in the league. The turnovers were the difference, but I think Kap played a fantastic game considering:

• Gore and the OL was totally ineffective running the ball
• Boldin and VD dropped multiple catchable passes

Its a great time to be a Niner fan. Not like the early 80s, but 3 straight NFCC games, young talented team, great HC and FO....I'll take it over the Joe Thomas / Donohue / Rattay years.

 

[ScottyDog]

Seahawk fan here. Great job 9ers. You are truly an awesome team. I am looking forward to the rivalry for years to come. I used to hate Harbaugh before this game. I like him now. The guy showed class at the end and you could see he had been crying. You can tell he really cares about his players. I also was not a Kapernick fan but I was really impressed with his game. That one jump throw for a TD was AMAZING. Once he gets the inconsistent throws worked out, he will be an annual pro bowler. Navarro, I am so sorry. You are a great player and I hope you bounce back quick. SHERMAN....You should be embarrassed, I am.

I hope you don't have to see any more bullets in butts.

That was an awesome win for SEA. Good luck in the SB!

Thanks Drummer, it was fun bantering with you the other day.

 

[sho nuff]

And definitely wishing the best in recovery for Bowman. That was a disgusting injury.

Such a great player and fun to watch him.

 

[Spin]

I agree with you on all your comments but one.

If he puts that on the pylon, Crab scores, he had Sherman beat.

You feel strongly about this? That looked like textbook blanket coverage on a deep sideline route. Sherman had his outside shoulder against Crabtree's chest the whole way with his head turned around locating the ball. IMO that's about as non-beat as it gets. I don't want to get caught up in all the emotional garbage. I get it. Richard Sherman has emotional outbursts that make him look foolish, but they one thing he does better than every CB in the NFL is cover the deep sideline pattern. The combination of his arm length, height, and ball skills make him very tough to throw over.

Yah, just watched the play again from another angle. I think you're right. I don't think the pick happens but Crabtree did seem to have a step on him on the outside but Sherman is in great position. The angle from the TV looked like Crabtree had about two steps on him, but I think that's because Sherman slowed down a bit which made it appear as if Crabtree had more separation then he really did.

A good view here at ~7:17. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000315455/GameDay-49ers-vs-Seahawks-highlights That's pretty much the definition of blanketed.

 

[thecatch]

I'd really like to seem them take a shot at Nicks this offseason but it probably won't happen. Will be interesting to see what happens with Boldin, I'd like to see him stick around another season.

Contracts that I'd like to see extended:

Kaep, Crabtree, Iupati, Culliver, Aldon Smith (really depends on how those gun charges shape out though), Miller, Goodwyn

I think they are all FA in 2015. Pretty interested in seeing what Kaep gets, I'm guessing in the 16-18 per season range?

Pretty meh on Kendall Hunter, especially with Lattimore in the waiting.

Harbaugh is going to get an extension as well.

Getting Culliver back for next season will be nice, he was playing so well up until the superbowl last year. Interested to see what happens with Brown as well, I'm guessing he goes elsewhere.

I'd like to see them replace Whitner with more of a cover safety. They need to be choosy about where they spend their cap dollars and I don't think paying a premium for a guy with his somewhat outdated skillset is wise.

The Aldon and Kaepernick negotiations are intriguing. Both players have obvious warts, but play the two most important positions (arguably in Smith's case) and have top flight talent. I'd be hesitant to pay those guys top, top dollar like they will be seeking, but SF may not have a choice.

Along those lines, not sure they can afford to extend Iupati. Some guard needy team would pay him boatloads and SF has a ton of resources already dedicated to the OL. Goodwin is done - he's either going to retire or be replaced by Kilgore next year.

 

[Spin]

That hurts. Refs hosed us, and the franchise QB choked in the clutch. And a classless team and fan base (hooper and Russell Wilson excepted) advances. Bowman torn acl and iupati broken ankle. Ouch. Just ouch.

I'm not a Niners fan, but I feel for you guys. Definitely got hosed by the refs on some very big plays. And if Kaep puts one more foot on that throw you win the game. And that classless taunting by Seattle after the game was just about the worst thing I've ever seen in football. Classless and pathetic. Was glad to see your team take the high road after the game.You've got a great franchise, great fans, and a great young team. You'll be back.

Here's hoping that Seattle gets their arrogant asses kicked in two weeks. I don't think I could stomach seeing those clowns win.

Thanks for a very cool post, Tso.

I think Kap is taking too much of the blame here. He was a one man offensive show against the best (or second best, debate away) defense in the league. The turnovers were the difference, but I think Kap played a fantastic game considering:

• Gore and the OL was totally ineffective running the ball
• Boldin and VD dropped multiple catchable passes

Its a great time to be a Niner fan. Not like the early 80s, but 3 straight NFCC games, young talented team, great HC and FO....I'll take it over the Joe Thomas / Donohue / Rattay years.

Yah, completely agree. Boldin wasn't catching anything early on. I still maintain that Vernon caught that pass and then fumbled it. Harbaugh should have challenged. we rewound that play about 5 times and Vernon clearly takes 2 steps and his foot is just coming down for his 3rd. Big difference between 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 10 there. Especially being compounded by the "running into the kicker" which would have been a first, but should have been roughing for a 1st anyhow.

The challenge replay assistant for this season has been terrible, I feel like Harbaugh lost every challenge, and didn't challenge in a couple spots he should have.

 

[Spin]

I'd really like to seem them take a shot at Nicks this offseason but it probably won't happen. Will be interesting to see what happens with Boldin, I'd like to see him stick around another season.

Contracts that I'd like to see extended:

Kaep, Crabtree, Iupati, Culliver, Aldon Smith (really depends on how those gun charges shape out though), Miller, Goodwyn

I think they are all FA in 2015. Pretty interested in seeing what Kaep gets, I'm guessing in the 16-18 per season range?

Pretty meh on Kendall Hunter, especially with Lattimore in the waiting.

Harbaugh is going to get an extension as well.

Getting Culliver back for next season will be nice, he was playing so well up until the superbowl last year. Interested to see what happens with Brown as well, I'm guessing he goes elsewhere.

I'd like to see them replace Whitner with more of a cover safety. They need to be choosy about where they spend their cap dollars and I don't think paying a premium for a guy with his somewhat outdated skillset is wise.

The Aldon and Kaepernick negotiations are intriguing. Both players have obvious warts, but play the two most important positions (arguably in Smith's case) and have top flight talent. I'd be hesitant to pay those guys top, top dollar like they will be seeking, but SF may not have a choice.

Along those lines, not sure they can afford to extend Iupati. Some guard needy team would pay him boatloads and SF has a ton of resources already dedicated to the OL. Goodwin is done - he's either going to retire or be replaced by Kilgore next year.

Good call, dunno why I thought he was only 30. Too much beer last night and too early of a meeting this morning

 

[Black Box]

Yah, completely agree. Boldin wasn't catching anything early on. I still maintain that Vernon caught that pass and then fumbled it. Harbaugh should have challenged. we rewound that play about 5 times and Vernon clearly takes 2 steps and his foot is just coming down for his 3rd. Big difference between 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 10 there. Especially being compounded by the "running into the kicker" which would have been a first, but should have been roughing for a 1st anyhow. The challenge replay assistant for this season has been terrible, I feel like Harbaugh lost every challenge, and didn't challenge in a couple spots he should have.

I don't even think he fumbled it--his arm hit the ground and the ball popped out. I thought it was a clear reception with the ground causing the "fumble".

 

[Neofight]

I dunno how accurate this data is (and feel free to chime in on it), but I was curious to look at the offense on 3rd down over the past three seasons. I don't need to look at the seasons before those three because I already know how bad they were on 3rd down, lol. Anyway, here is a link to their rankings or however they compile the data:

2011: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2012-02-05

On this sites "rankings", the 49ers are slotted 31st above STL at 32nd. I can agree with that since all I complained about here in 2011 was how bad they were on 3rd down, lol, and posted how they were at the bottom of the league in that stat during that time.

2012: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct?date=2013-02-03

I've posted on how the 49ers had improved on 3rd down when they switched from Kaep and Smith, but also, Smith and the rushing attack had some huge offensive games like against BUF yet the next game just flat out suck like against NYG, where Smith tossed 3 INTs. In fairness to Smith, Kaep also laid some huge eggs in games like against STL, NE (for a half), and of course SEA. But despite the mini QB turmoil, the drastic shift of QB style between Smith and Kaep, how the play calling and execution of offensive plays was affected by all that, they actually improved according to the ranking to 22nd.

I agree that they had improved on 3rd down, although not knowing exactly how much, but I know it was significant. I'm justing wondering how much more significant. If it's nine points above 2011, then yeah, I'll take that. 31st to 22nd is a significant jump.

2013: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

They make the jump from 22nd to 17th.

This is Kaep's first full 16 games sched, with he being the starter at camp, Smith traded, the de-facto starter of the 49ers, who he just lost as starting QB halfway into his second season. A young QB's first full 16 game sched is huge, and any young QB who can win his first full regular season into the playoffs is pretty darn phenomenal, like Wilson, Luck, etc.

~I think Luck is better than Wilson, and I think Wilson now is better than Kaep, with Luck way above both of them.~

Why would you put Luck way above Wilson or Kaep? It's not like Luck had a much better season in 2013, and certainly both Wilson and Kaep had better seasons in 2012. Both are more than a yard per attempt ahead of Luck, and both are better runners (though Luck's not bad). And both are still alive in the playoffs, while Luck threw seven INTs in two games.

That was a bit of a sidebar. I'm more curious about you think about the 3rd down progression.

As far as Luck, there is no argument on his impact overall as QB over Wilson and Kaep. If Luck was with Harbaugh, Roman, and Fangio from Year One in the NFL, well.....

Luck with Pete Carroll: that's insane too.

ETA: 3rd down to me is a QB down. I screwed this thing up with my thoughts about Luck. Let's talk 3rd down.

Luck with the 49ers or Seahawks would still be in a run first offense and have his lapses in judgement. His upside is huge, but he didn't come close to meeting it this year. I'd say even Kaepernick showed fewer critical lapses than Luck, though he is asked to do far less.

Luck in two full 16 game regular season scheds:

46 TDs to 27 INTs, with over 8000 yards passing.

Just for the lulz since you bring up Alex Smith, here is the same stats career wise of Smith since 2005:

104 TDs to 70 INTs, with over 17,000 yards passing.

I won't bring in Kaep until is he plays 2 consecutive 16 game scheds, because you basically know what kind of QB you have after two consecutive 16 game scheds. In fairness to Smith, he never played 2 full consecutive 16 game scheds.

If you're a Hawk fan, you should know Alex Smith since he played in the division since 2005 to 2012. But Hawk fans are the worst fans in the division - even Cardinal and Ram fans know Smith - because they never knew what division they were in until this season.

I remember a game against SEA where the 49ers just squeaked by them even though SEA didn't have hardly any WR's during the Mike Nolan era. That was a war of attrition.

Just stay out of this thread. You don't know 49er football because you never knew AFCW football. You were and still on the outside of the division you were in prior to 2002. I find it funny that Hawk fans decided to show up to the party this season. Now they are trying to tell me about the current 49er QB while forgetting the Montana/Allen KC Chief team beat your Rick Mirer led team twice.

Keep your head up and stick to what is said. Shouldn't be difficult for you as it's the offseason.Kaep did probably show today that he is more prone to critical lapses than Luck. You should have come back and edited your post to indicate as much before I saw it.

at the "more prone to critical lapses" since Luck has way more INTs this post season than Kaep. I've watched a lot more Luck in college than I had Kaep - almost every game of his - and I'm a big fan of Luck.

Your problem is: you don't know much about football. I doubt you even know much about the team you root for. Being that SEA came into the NFCW in 2002, you should at least be more aware of Alex Smith's career in SF since 2005, prior to 2011. But you were in your rabbit hole, and now crawl out of it to nibble at the dangling carrot. I'd give more credence to your opinion if it wasn't so vapid and empty. You just simply add nothing. That's your problem. I can see you trying to work that out, but you aren't bright enough to troll this off.

Good to see you laughing so soon.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Yah, completely agree. Boldin wasn't catching anything early on. I still maintain that Vernon caught that pass and then fumbled it. Harbaugh should have challenged. we rewound that play about 5 times and Vernon clearly takes 2 steps and his foot is just coming down for his 3rd. Big difference between 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 10 there. Especially being compounded by the "running into the kicker" which would have been a first, but should have been roughing for a 1st anyhow. The challenge replay assistant for this season has been terrible, I feel like Harbaugh lost every challenge, and didn't challenge in a couple spots he should have.

I don't even think he fumbled it--his arm hit the ground and the ball popped out. I thought it was a clear reception with the ground causing the "fumble".

yeah I was surprised they didnt review that, 3rd n4 would of been way easier to convert than 3rd n 10

 

[drummer]

Willis on Bowman and the loss:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html

Here is a paragraph that's all class:

ETA: I bolded the last two sentences, because I agree with it. That's why divisions matter, and to have an NFCW team in it besides the 49ers is a good thing.

PW: "I could sit up here and tell you what you want to hear. Tell you that I'm angry, that I'm mad. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to look at you and say, 'You know what? It was a heck of a run.' We fought. We gave everything we had. Even before the beginning of the season when everyone was picking us to go back to the Super Bowl, then we went through that little slump and everybody started writing us off, we just stayed together and we continued to fight. And that's what we did tonight. It's unfortunate that the win didn't go our way. But as I told my brother and my sister today, win or lose, God gets all the glory. Just for the opportunity to be able to play this in game. So many guys who are home right now wished they could compete in the NFC championship, so we have to be grateful for that. Somebody has to win, somebody has to lose. Unfortunately, we lost the game. Seattle did what they needed to do to win it. Them being in the NFC and also our division, I wish them luck. I hope they go and take care of business for the NFC side."


Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html#storylink=cpy

 

[kface]

Yah, completely agree. Boldin wasn't catching anything early on. I still maintain that Vernon caught that pass and then fumbled it. Harbaugh should have challenged. we rewound that play about 5 times and Vernon clearly takes 2 steps and his foot is just coming down for his 3rd. Big difference between 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 10 there. Especially being compounded by the "running into the kicker" which would have been a first, but should have been roughing for a 1st anyhow. The challenge replay assistant for this season has been terrible, I feel like Harbaugh lost every challenge, and didn't challenge in a couple spots he should have.

I don't even think he fumbled it--his arm hit the ground and the ball popped out. I thought it was a clear reception with the ground causing the "fumble".

I agree...i thought it was an obvious catch and then down by contact...can't believe they didn't challenge that

 

[Wingnut]

I never root for division rivals in the SB. There's only one team in the NFC West I want to hoist the Lombardi trophy. I rooted against the Rams and Cardinals in their recent SBs, and Ill do the same against Seattle. Plus I've always been a fan of Manning. I hope he gets his 2nd ring and shuts up all the haters who give him greif for only having one thus far.

ETA: also, Sherman needs to feel the sting of losing a SB.

 

[drummer]

I never root for division rivals in the SB. There's only one team in the NCF West I want to hoist the Lombardi trophy. I rooted against the Rams and Cardinals in their recent SBs, and Ill do the same against Seattle. Plus I've always been a fan of Manning. I hope he gets his 2nd ring and shuts up all the haters who give him greif for only having one thus far.

ETA: also, Sherman needs to feel the sting of losing a SB.

Well, the silencing of the bostonfred's and such is a good incentive for rooting for Manning. But the NFCW was a dog for years. Having championship quality teams only forces the teams within it to get better.

 

[sho nuff]

Willis on Bowman and the loss:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html

Here is a paragraph that's all class:

ETA: I bolded the last two sentences, because I agree with it. That's why divisions matter, and to have an NFCW team in it besides the 49ers is a good thing.

PW: "I could sit up here and tell you what you want to hear. Tell you that I'm angry, that I'm mad. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to look at you and say, 'You know what? It was a heck of a run.' We fought. We gave everything we had. Even before the beginning of the season when everyone was picking us to go back to the Super Bowl, then we went through that little slump and everybody started writing us off, we just stayed together and we continued to fight. And that's what we did tonight. It's unfortunate that the win didn't go our way. But as I told my brother and my sister today, win or lose, God gets all the glory. Just for the opportunity to be able to play this in game. So many guys who are home right now wished they could compete in the NFC championship, so we have to be grateful for that. Somebody has to win, somebody has to lose. Unfortunately, we lost the game. Seattle did what they needed to do to win it. Them being in the NFC and also our division, I wish them luck. I hope they go and take care of business for the NFC side."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html#storylink=cpy

Why is it a good thing?

Thats worse than the SEC, SEC, SEC chanting IMO. At least the NCAA conference honks can argue their teams may get some more exposure or money or somehow be ranked better because of the other teams.

How does Seattle going or winning do anything for the 9ers or their fans?

Its your rival, you don't want to see them win.

 

[drummer]

Willis on Bowman and the loss:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html

Here is a paragraph that's all class:

ETA: I bolded the last two sentences, because I agree with it. That's why divisions matter, and to have an NFCW team in it besides the 49ers is a good thing.

PW: "I could sit up here and tell you what you want to hear. Tell you that I'm angry, that I'm mad. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to look at you and say, 'You know what? It was a heck of a run.' We fought. We gave everything we had. Even before the beginning of the season when everyone was picking us to go back to the Super Bowl, then we went through that little slump and everybody started writing us off, we just stayed together and we continued to fight. And that's what we did tonight. It's unfortunate that the win didn't go our way. But as I told my brother and my sister today, win or lose, God gets all the glory. Just for the opportunity to be able to play this in game. So many guys who are home right now wished they could compete in the NFC championship, so we have to be grateful for that. Somebody has to win, somebody has to lose. Unfortunately, we lost the game. Seattle did what they needed to do to win it. Them being in the NFC and also our division, I wish them luck. I hope they go and take care of business for the NFC side."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html#storylink=cpy

Why is it a good thing?

Thats worse than the SEC, SEC, SEC chanting IMO. At least the NCAA conference honks can argue their teams may get some more exposure or money or somehow be ranked better because of the other teams.

How does Seattle going or winning do anything for the 9ers or their fans?

Its your rival, you don't want to see them win.

I'm not a sore loser like you.

 

[sho nuff]

Willis on Bowman and the loss:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html

Here is a paragraph that's all class:

ETA: I bolded the last two sentences, because I agree with it. That's why divisions matter, and to have an NFCW team in it besides the 49ers is a good thing.

PW: "I could sit up here and tell you what you want to hear. Tell you that I'm angry, that I'm mad. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to look at you and say, 'You know what? It was a heck of a run.' We fought. We gave everything we had. Even before the beginning of the season when everyone was picking us to go back to the Super Bowl, then we went through that little slump and everybody started writing us off, we just stayed together and we continued to fight. And that's what we did tonight. It's unfortunate that the win didn't go our way. But as I told my brother and my sister today, win or lose, God gets all the glory. Just for the opportunity to be able to play this in game. So many guys who are home right now wished they could compete in the NFC championship, so we have to be grateful for that. Somebody has to win, somebody has to lose. Unfortunately, we lost the game. Seattle did what they needed to do to win it. Them being in the NFC and also our division, I wish them luck. I hope they go and take care of business for the NFC side."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html#storylink=cpy

Why is it a good thing?

Thats worse than the SEC, SEC, SEC chanting IMO. At least the NCAA conference honks can argue their teams may get some more exposure or money or somehow be ranked better because of the other teams.

How does Seattle going or winning do anything for the 9ers or their fans?

Its your rival, you don't want to see them win.

I'm not a sore loser like you.

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

 

[drummer]

Willis on Bowman and the loss:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html

Here is a paragraph that's all class:

ETA: I bolded the last two sentences, because I agree with it. That's why divisions matter, and to have an NFCW team in it besides the 49ers is a good thing.

PW: "I could sit up here and tell you what you want to hear. Tell you that I'm angry, that I'm mad. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to look at you and say, 'You know what? It was a heck of a run.' We fought. We gave everything we had. Even before the beginning of the season when everyone was picking us to go back to the Super Bowl, then we went through that little slump and everybody started writing us off, we just stayed together and we continued to fight. And that's what we did tonight. It's unfortunate that the win didn't go our way. But as I told my brother and my sister today, win or lose, God gets all the glory. Just for the opportunity to be able to play this in game. So many guys who are home right now wished they could compete in the NFC championship, so we have to be grateful for that. Somebody has to win, somebody has to lose. Unfortunately, we lost the game. Seattle did what they needed to do to win it. Them being in the NFC and also our division, I wish them luck. I hope they go and take care of business for the NFC side."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2014/01/patrick-willis-we-stay-optimistic-we-fight.html#storylink=cpy

Why is it a good thing?

Thats worse than the SEC, SEC, SEC chanting IMO. At least the NCAA conference honks can argue their teams may get some more exposure or money or somehow be ranked better because of the other teams.

How does Seattle going or winning do anything for the 9ers or their fans?

Its your rival, you don't want to see them win.

I'm not a sore loser like you.

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

You do nothing for your team anyway, so why be a sore loser about it?

 

[sho nuff]

you have a nice day

 

[drummer]

you have a nice day

Seriously, fans are just fans. Willis plays against SEA all the time. You got a problem with Bam Bam?

 

[CalBear]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

 

[drummer]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

Do we factor in how many years of rivalry here?

 

[CalBear]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

Do we factor in how many years of rivalry here?

I'd think the shortness of the rivalry makes it less intense, although displays like Sherman's will intensify it. For the Pac-12, I really don't have any energy about Cal-Utah or Cal-Colorado, and I think it'll take many years for those rivalries to feel important.

 

[johnadams]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

Ooh. I like this game. I'll play.

Root for niners.

Root for what's good for niners.

Root for any WR opposing Sherman to have a record setting day, kinda like Rice on Sanders.

Root against any team winning a fourth + super bowl.

Root for anything that continues making the Raiders a laughingstock (don't care if it's good or bad and split on whether it's fun to tease OAK fan for the abysmal state of the Raiders vs. enjoying the increased national attention locally when they are good).

Root for late season/playoff/important game collapse of Cowboys.

Root against any time not from San Francisco that Howie Long picks to win.

Root for the NFC vs. the AFC except for SEA and DAL.

Root against SEA.

Root for Jimmy Johnson on survivor (I hate to say it, but he kinda won me over), but against Steve Wright. (Actually, I root for the best bikini body, but this is football).

While SEA has surpassed GB, MIA, PIT, and STL (just doesn't seem fair to root against them anymore) in the heirarchy of my venom, I still have OAK and DAL with their unique recent brands of ineptitude ahead of them as well as Howie Long. My SEA venom has been brewing (pun intended), and yesterday's loss put them up a few notches, but I need more than two years out of nearly 40 of them being competitive to get me rolling.

The problem with Sherman is that I think he actually detracts from the rivalry by making it about him. I can't stand Sherman and won't like him anywhere he goes, but the rest of the team (other than Golden Taint) seems actually quite likeable though this can be enough for me to dislike them. I may feel very differently after two weeks of aw shucks from Wilson or Skittles costumes, but Sherman is his own brand at this point. My dislike goes mostly to him. I almost don't care if SEA wins the SB (I don't want them to) as long as Demarius burns him for 12/200/3. I'd be almost ok with that. Almost.

 

[chinawildman]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

Ooh. I like this game. I'll play.

Root for niners.

Root for what's good for niners.

Root for any WR opposing Sherman to have a record setting day, kinda like Rice on Sanders.

Root against any team winning a fourth + super bowl.

Root for anything that continues making the Raiders a laughingstock (don't care if it's good or bad and split on whether it's fun to tease OAK fan for the abysmal state of the Raiders vs. enjoying the increased national attention locally when they are good).

Root for late season/playoff/important game collapse of Cowboys.

Root against any time not from San Francisco that Howie Long picks to win.

Root for the NFC vs. the AFC except for SEA and DAL.

Root against SEA.

Root for Jimmy Johnson on survivor (I hate to say it, but he kinda won me over), but against Steve Wright. (Actually, I root for the best bikini body, but this is football).

Doesn't rooting for what's good for the niners necessitate rooting against Seattle?

 

[TenTimes]

Seahawk fan here. Great job 9ers. You are truly an awesome team. I am looking forward to the rivalry for years to come. I used to hate Harbaugh before this game. I like him now. The guy showed class at the end and you could see he had been crying. You can tell he really cares about his players.

I was coming to post this exact thing. I bet that across the city Harbaugh cut the hatred towards him in half for anyone who saw that postgame talk in the tunnel. I have to admit, I was not expecting that.

 

[johnadams]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

Ooh. I like this game. I'll play.

Root for niners.

Root for what's good for niners.

Root for any WR opposing Sherman to have a record setting day, kinda like Rice on Sanders.

Root against any team winning a fourth + super bowl.

Root for anything that continues making the Raiders a laughingstock (don't care if it's good or bad and split on whether it's fun to tease OAK fan for the abysmal state of the Raiders vs. enjoying the increased national attention locally when they are good).

Root for late season/playoff/important game collapse of Cowboys.

Root against any time not from San Francisco that Howie Long picks to win.

Root for the NFC vs. the AFC except for SEA and DAL.

Root against SEA.

Root for Jimmy Johnson on survivor (I hate to say it, but he kinda won me over), but against Steve Wright. (Actually, I root for the best bikini body, but this is football).

Doesn't rooting for what's good for the niners necessitate rooting against Seattle?

It means more often than not I'm rooting against SEA, but not necessarily. For example, if SEA had locked up the division by the time they played ARI is week 16, I would have been rooting for SEA to eliminate ARI from the playoffs, ensuring a playoff berth for SF. I wouldn't be happy about it, but that's what I'd want to happen.

 

[Wingnut]

Bowman torn ACL and MCL. He will NOT have surgery on the MCL. The team hopes he will be ready by opening day 2014...so an MCL can/will heal on its own? Can someone shed some light?

Also, Iupati suffered a broken left fibula and will not need surgery. He is expected to be fully recovered in 8 weeks.

 

[sho nuff]

Root against any team winning a fourth + super bowl.

Thats another one. As a Packers fan...can't ever cheer for PItt or SF or Dallas or NE in Super Bowls.

Yeah, cheering on Manning in this one means cheering for Denver to close the gap.

 

[sho nuff]

Its not about being a sore loser.

If my team has a rival...part of being the rival is I don't want them winning.

It does nothing for my team at all if the Bears or Lions or Vikings win in the postseason.

Here's the top of my (football) rooting hierarchy. (For basketball, Arizona replaces USC):

Root for Cal

Root for what's good for Cal

Root against Stanford

Root for what's bad for Stanford

Root against USC

Root for what's bad for USC

Root for what's good for the Pac-12

If Washington has a really good football team, I have no problem rooting for them against teams other than Cal (unless Cal needs them to lose). The 1991 Washington-Cal game at Memorial Stadium was maybe the best game played there since the Pappy Waldorf days, and I was glad to see Washington get a share of the national title (especially because "Root against teams from Florida" is also on the rooting hierarchy).

So the question is whether Niners-Seattle is a Cal-UW kind of rival, or a Cal-Stanford kind of rival.

Ooh. I like this game. I'll play.

Root for niners.

Root for what's good for niners.

Root for any WR opposing Sherman to have a record setting day, kinda like Rice on Sanders.

Root against any team winning a fourth + super bowl.

Root for anything that continues making the Raiders a laughingstock (don't care if it's good or bad and split on whether it's fun to tease OAK fan for the abysmal state of the Raiders vs. enjoying the increased national attention locally when they are good).

Root for late season/playoff/important game collapse of Cowboys.

Root against any time not from San Francisco that Howie Long picks to win.

Root for the NFC vs. the AFC except for SEA and DAL.

Root against SEA.

Root for Jimmy Johnson on survivor (I hate to say it, but he kinda won me over), but against Steve Wright. (Actually, I root for the best bikini body, but this is football).

Doesn't rooting for what's good for the niners necessitate rooting against Seattle?

It means more often than not I'm rooting against SEA, but not necessarily. For example, if SEA had locked up the division by the time they played ARI is week 16, I would have been rooting for SEA to eliminate ARI from the playoffs, ensuring a playoff berth for SF. I wouldn't be happy about it, but that's what I'd want to happen.

Exactly...the only time to cheer for a rival is if it helps your own team into the playoffs.

 

[thecatch]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/1/20/5329862/frank-gore-injury-broken-hand-49ers-vs-seahawks

Gore apparently broke his hand during the Seahawks game and was playing through it. I have to say, even if SF had won, they would have been at a serious disadvantage in the Super Bowl with all these injuries.

 

[Spin]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/1/20/5329862/frank-gore-injury-broken-hand-49ers-vs-seahawks

Gore apparently broke his hand during the Seahawks game and was playing through it. I have to say, even if SF had won, they would have been at a serious disadvantage in the Super Bowl with all these injuries.

Iupati - Broken fibula

Bowman - Torn MCL/ACL

Brown - Playing with broken ribs

Would have definitely been tough.

 

[drummer]

I changed my mind. I'm rooting against the Packers this game.

 

[Wingnut]

Joe Stanley suffered a compound dislocation of thumb during the NFCCG...he was stitched up during the game and finished playing with the injury.

 

[drummer]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/1/20/5329862/frank-gore-injury-broken-hand-49ers-vs-seahawks

Gore apparently broke his hand during the Seahawks game and was playing through it. I have to say, even if SF had won, they would have been at a serious disadvantage in the Super Bowl with all these injuries.

It was a hard fought game to the bitter end. That's all I can ask from them.

 

[CapnJB]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/1/20/5329862/frank-gore-injury-broken-hand-49ers-vs-seahawks

Gore apparently broke his hand during the Seahawks game and was playing through it. I have to say, even if SF had won, they would have been at a serious disadvantage in the Super Bowl with all these injuries.

It was a hard fought game to the bitter end. That's all I can ask from them.

It really was. As a Seahawks fan I hate that you are in our division. As a football fan I love that they butt heads twice a year. I'd rather avoid the matchup but god bless they are great games to watch. I hope everyone heals quickly.

 

[BaBastage]

Given all the injuries, it's amazing SF took the game down to the wire. Yes, we got beaten....up.

Here's to optimism for 2014.... let's see what those unrealized 2013 draft picks in Lattimore and Carradine are worth.

 

[drummer]

Listening to Ted Robinson - voice of the 49er radio broadcast for those who don't know, as well as one of the best and more ubiquitous broadcasters in the biz who covers major tennis games, Pac 12 football, the Olympics winter and summer, as well as baseball (you hear his voice A Few Good Men with Tom Cruise watching a game, as well as a former broadcaster for the SF Giants) - on KNBR yesterday (who sometimes hosts a radio broadcast on that station as well) with Tom Tolbert and Ray Ratto brought up a few key points of the 49ers that sound very familiar here:

1 - The 49er passing offense needs to evolve and put TDs on the scoreboard instead of FGs (me: they still can't get past 2011 with that)

2- They still haven't been able to find or develop any WRs

3- The run game doesn't have anybody to spell Gore who has too much of the workload on his legs (me: Hunter and James are no answers there)

5- Draft picks such as Carradine and Lattimore still yet to prove they can spell Justin Smith and Gore next season (me: though we know why they aren't on the field)

6- They missed Delanie Walker, and Vance McDonald did little to replace him, and Bruce Miller filled Walker's old role more than Vance could

As well as a few other points I fail to remember at this moment.

Again, does any of this sound familiar here? I know I've been harping over all that most of the season. Hell, I had a mini Gekko post over a few of these points a few days ago. If I can see this, it's that obvious since I'm just a casual observer of the team.