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San Francisco 49ers 2013 thread (SEE NEW 2014 THREAD) (1 Viewer)

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If the 49ers' defense struggles like it did at the end of last year, and they are relying on the offense to win games, Kaepernick is going to be simply irreplaceable. The team we saw walk off the field a couple of months ago couldn't win with game managers like Alex Smith/Hill/McCoy. We'll see if they can improve the defensive depth enough this offseason to get the defense back up to its dominant standards.
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They really dropped off at the takeaway/giveaway ratio from 2011, but that season was insane in that stat anyway. They went from +28 to +9. If they trended more in that negative, then I would worry.

 
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Nice! While he's not a shut down corner, I think he will be solid.
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All they need out of him is a Walt Harris/Carlos Rogers type of first season with the team. If he does well, just eek out another two year contract until his wheels fall off.

 
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BaBastage said:
I'm happier with the Nmandi cost-benefit ratio more than I would have with Revis. So, can he still match strides with guys like Harvin in man coverage?
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He is 31 years old with ten year old wheels in NFL years. Who knows?
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Isn't he younger then Rogers? Can't look it up atm but I thought I remembered reading that.
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Rogers is 31 as well. Nnamdi is only 4 days younger than Rogers. Rogers was born on July 2nd, 1981, and Nnamdi was born that same year on July 6th.

So they are just a little long in the tooth back there in NFL years, but both are Vets that can help the young ones and draft picks.

 
Good insight on Roman... also includes some info on that last series (like ripping off an old scab ).

ETA the actual article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--offensive-guru-and-coaching-candidate-greg-roman-a-victim-of-his--niners--success-022509392.html

I found these parts interesting... So they let SEA whoop them up on purpose? Hmmm...

In mid-December, after the Niners pulled out a 41-34 victory over the New England Patriots to improve to 10-3-1, Roman consciously decided to dial back the offense in order to keep potential playoff opponents off balance.
That approach seemed dubious the following Sunday night in Seattle, when the 49ers absorbed a 42-13 thrashing at the hands of the Seahawks, but Roman took solace in the fight Kaepernick displayed in leading San Francisco to a late touchdown. The next week, though Roman kept things relatively conservative, the 49ers defeated the Arizona Cardinals to clinch the NFC West title and a first-round bye.
Two weeks later against the Packers, Roman unleashed the fury.
"My post-New England mindset was to hold back and try to save things for the playoffs," Roman says. "We did a bunch of [read-option plays] against New England, but you run into that question of exposure. The reality is that you've got to win playoff games. That was definitely part of the plan. Because NFL teams are too good — you start showing something and having success, they're gonna find a way to stop it.
"You don't want to make a living on it. If you can win a game and hold that back, why not? I coached defense. I know what it's like when you have to prepare for something like that. It's all hands on deck. It's mayhem."
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irst-and-goal from the 7, 2:39 remaining: Gore, who'd just busted off a 33-yard run, was on the sidelines as backup running back LaMichael James lined up behind Kaepernick in a full-house Pistol formation. James took a handoff and slipped through a hole to his immediate right; Ravens linebacker Dannell Ellerbee plugged the gap and nailed him after a two-yard gain. In retrospect, Roman's cool with his decision — a little more room and James could have made a cut and cruised into the end zone.
Second-and-goal from the 5, following the two-minute warning: Kaepernick, lined up in the shotgun, rolled right and threw short and off target to Crabtree, who'd been bumped by cornerback Corey Graham. Many observers later wondered whether Kaepernick should have instead tried to thread a high pass over the middle to Randy Moss, who appeared to be open on the play. In the Niners' coaching box, they were yelling for a pass interference call on Graham.
Third-and-goal from the 5, 1:55 remaining: This one was the killer. Kaepernick lined up in the Pistol, with Gore to his immediate right. It was a read-option play, in theory, but it essentially was a quarterback counter. Kaepernick, after a step backward, was going to run behind right guard Alex Boone and Gore, each of whom was pulling left.
Roman was sure the quarterback was going to score. He was sure the Ravens' coaches were sure a touchdown was imminent. Yet with the play clock nearing zero, Harbaugh called timeout. Chalk it up to the downside of having turned over an offense to a tantalizingly talented but inexperienced quarterback in November. Harbaugh and Roman took a calculated risk, and it was a split-second away from paying off.
At that point, with the Ravens' coaches having just watched their season flash before their eyes, Roman was convinced of one thing: There's no way Baltimore would stay passive. Sure enough, two "Cover 0" blitzes were coming. And Roman, playing the percentages, dialed up plays that called for Crabtree — Kaepernick's favorite target — to be the "hot" receiver. "Wouldn't you rather give your guys a chance to make a play?" Roman asks rhetorically.
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OT Anthony Davis signs 5 year contract extension with the 49ers. The extension guarantees Davis $17 million and has a total worth of $37.3 million.

 
Wingnut said:
OT Anthony Davis signs 5 year contract extension with the 49ers. The extension guarantees Davis $17 million and has a total worth of $37.3 million.
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Seems like a reasonable price for a good tackle. He's young and athletic enough that he can move to LT when Staley's deal is up in a few years.

 
2013 schedule (all times ET)Sept. 8 vs. Green Bay Packers, 4:25 p.m.Sept. 15 at Seattle Seahawks, 8:30 p.m. (SNF)Sept. 22 vs. Indianapolis Colts, 4:25 p.m.Sept. 26 at St. Louis Rams, 8:25 p.m. (THU NIGHT)Oct. 6 vs. Houston Texans, 8:30 p.m. (MNF)Oct. 13 vs. Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m.Oct. 20 at Tennessee Titans, 4:05 p.m.Oct. 27 at Jacksonville Jaguars (London) 1 p.m.BYENov. 10 vs. Carolina Panthers, 4:05 p.m.Nov. 17 at New Orleans Saints, 4:25 p.m.Nov. 25 at Washington Redskins, 8:40 p.m. (MNF)Dec. 1 vs. St. Louis Rams, 4:05 p.m.Dec. 8 vs. Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m.Dec. 15 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 p.m.Dec. 23 vs. Atlanta Falcons, 8:40 p.m. (MNF)Dec. 29 at Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m.5 prime time games (3 MNF, a Thursday night and a Sunday night) :thumbup:

 
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Wingnut said:
2013 schedule (all times ET)Sept. 8 vs. Green Bay Packers, 4:25 p.m. - WSept. 15 at Seattle Seahawks, 8:30 p.m. (SNF) - LSept. 22 vs. Indianapolis Colts, 4:25 p.m. - WSept. 26 at St. Louis Rams, 8:25 p.m. (THU NIGHT) - LOct. 6 vs. Houston Texans, 8:30 p.m. (MNF) - WOct. 13 vs. Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m. - WOct. 20 at Tennessee Titans, 4:05 p.m. - WOct. 27 at Jacksonville Jaguars (London) 1 p.m. - WBYENov. 10 vs. Carolina Panthers, 4:05 p.m. - WNov. 17 at New Orleans Saints, 4:25 p.m. - LNov. 25 at Washington Redskins, 8:40 p.m. (MNF) - WDec. 1 vs. St. Louis Rams, 4:05 p.m. - WDec. 8 vs. Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m. - WDec. 15 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 p.m. - LDec. 23 vs. Atlanta Falcons, 8:40 p.m. (MNF) - WDec. 29 at Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m. - W5 prime time games (3 MNF, a Thursday night and a Sunday night) :thumbup:
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12 - 4 I think we split games with Rams, Seahawks and sweep Cardinals. I put the L next to the Saints, but it could easily be the Redskins, because I think we lose one of the Saints/Redskins. The game @ Tampa I think is a loss. Coming off a bloodbath games vs the Seahawks, looking ahead to a primetime game for the Falcons in two weeks, then traveling far east for an early game seems like a recipe for a loss. But the loss gives us the mental edge to finish the season with two wins. Can't wait.
 
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Week 2 looks like a nasty game. Going to be physical with high emotions all around. If one of these two teams starts 0-2 on the season it could get ugly among the fan bases. Expectations are very high for both teams.

 
Hooper31 said:
Week 2 looks like a nasty game. Going to be physical with high emotions all around. If one of these two teams starts 0-2 on the season it could get ugly among the fan bases. Expectations are very high for both teams.
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Not so sure I agree with you. Now that Seattle is winning, you guys support your team extremely well...and SF historically has supported the Niners even during the bad years.

...or maybe I misunderstood you in regards to ugly--does this mean lots of posts by that fool ITS? :lol:

 
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Spin said:
Wingnut said:
2013 schedule (all times ET)Sept. 8 vs. Green Bay Packers, 4:25 p.m. - WSept. 15 at Seattle Seahawks, 8:30 p.m. (SNF) - LSept. 22 vs. Indianapolis Colts, 4:25 p.m. - WSept. 26 at St. Louis Rams, 8:25 p.m. (THU NIGHT) - LOct. 6 vs. Houston Texans, 8:30 p.m. (MNF) - WOct. 13 vs. Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m. - WOct. 20 at Tennessee Titans, 4:05 p.m. - WOct. 27 at Jacksonville Jaguars (London) 1 p.m. - WBYENov. 10 vs. Carolina Panthers, 4:05 p.m. - WNov. 17 at New Orleans Saints, 4:25 p.m. - LNov. 25 at Washington Redskins, 8:40 p.m. (MNF) - WDec. 1 vs. St. Louis Rams, 4:05 p.m. - WDec. 8 vs. Seattle Seahawks, 4:25 p.m. - WDec. 15 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 p.m. - LDec. 23 vs. Atlanta Falcons, 8:40 p.m. (MNF) - WDec. 29 at Arizona Cardinals, 4:25 p.m. - W5 prime time games (3 MNF, a Thursday night and a Sunday night) :thumbup:
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12 - 4 I think we split games with Rams, Seahawks and sweep Cardinals. I put the L next to the Saints, but it could easily be the Redskins, because I think we lose one of the Saints/Redskins. The game @ Tampa I think is a loss. Coming off a bloodbath games vs the Seahawks, looking ahead to a primetime game for the Falcons in two weeks, then traveling far east for an early game seems like a recipe for a loss.
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Depends on how playoff seeding is at that time. If they can cement a spot with a win there, I think they will. If they can't move up with a win it won't matter.
 
5Rings said:
...or maybe I misunderstood you in regards to ugly--does this mean lots of posts by that fool ITS? :lol:
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Having ITS post less is a bonus.I think expectations make people go nuts. The Seattle fan base is in "Super Bowl or Nothing" mode.
 
Hooper31 said:
Week 2 looks like a nasty game. Going to be physical with high emotions all around. If one of these two teams starts 0-2 on the season it could get ugly among the fan bases. Expectations are very high for both teams.
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I don't feel like there is a lot of SF animosity for SEA. I think that's been much more 1 sided on SEA's part to this point.
 
Hooper31 said:
5Rings said:
...or maybe I misunderstood you in regards to ugly--does this mean lots of posts by that fool ITS? :lol:
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Having ITS post less is a bonus.I think expectations make people go nuts. The Seattle fan base is in "Super Bowl or Nothing" mode.
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Really? I know the Harvin signing is exciting and all but until they learn how to win on the road first, they need to be a little more realistic. 10 road games last year, 6 losses. That's not Super Bowl-esque...

 
chinawildman said:
Hooper31 said:
5Rings said:
...or maybe I misunderstood you in regards to ugly--does this mean lots of posts by that fool ITS? :lol:
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Having ITS post less is a bonus.I think expectations make people go nuts. The Seattle fan base is in "Super Bowl or Nothing" mode.
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Really? I know the Harvin signing is exciting and all but until they learn how to win on the road first, they need to be a little more realistic. 10 road games last year, 6 losses. That's not Super Bowl-esque...
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I'm not saying its a realistic expectation, but that's the conversation on every local sports talk radio show. If the Seahawks don't make a run at a title people are going to call the season a disappointment in Seattle.I tend to think of the coming season more in Holmgren terms. Back in 2005 he used the same line over and over leading upto the reguilar season. "We have a chance to be very good. We'll see."
 
thecatch said:
Hooper31 said:
Week 2 looks like a nasty game. Going to be physical with high emotions all around. If one of these two teams starts 0-2 on the season it could get ugly among the fan bases. Expectations are very high for both teams.
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I don't feel like there is a lot of SF animosity for SEA. I think that's been much more 1 sided on SEA's part to this point.
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For me its not animosity, its more worry. Seattle is SF's biggest obstacle in the division and maybe to the road to the Super Bowl. Its already one of the best rivalries in the NFL and its 2 games I can't wait for every year. I could see splitting with them year in and year out.
 
5Rings said:
I can see us starting out 0-2 and ending up 13-3. Amiwrong?
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I can see the 49ers going 10-6, so I dunno. They were 11-4-1 last season, so I'm teetering on the bubble of 10 wins. But we have yet to see if the drop-off on defense late carries over.

But I still have them pegged at 10 wins.

 
drummer said:
But we have yet to see if the drop-off on defense late carries over.
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I think Willis and Bowman are one of the best pair of LBs the NFL has ever seen, but do they have the sort of leadership skills that won't allow their defense to "drop-off"? Do they take personal responsibility for the play of their entire defense like Ray Lewis did?
 
Wingnut said:
thecatch said:
Hooper31 said:
Week 2 looks like a nasty game. Going to be physical with high emotions all around. If one of these two teams starts 0-2 on the season it could get ugly among the fan bases. Expectations are very high for both teams.
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I don't feel like there is a lot of SF animosity for SEA. I think that's been much more 1 sided on SEA's part to this point.
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For me its not animosity, its more worry. Seattle is SF's biggest obstacle in the division and maybe to the road to the Super Bowl. Its already one of the best rivalries in the NFL and its 2 games I can't wait for every year. I could see splitting with them year in and year out.
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Well yeah, they have a solid squad and a ridiculous home field advantage. But there's all this talk from Seattle on how these teams just want to kill each other, and I don't see it. Every team in the NFC west has a decent shot at beating SF at home, and the non-division schedule looks formidable as well. I don't think SF is going to get anything easy this year
 
Hooper31 said:
drummer said:
But we have yet to see if the drop-off on defense late carries over.
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I think Willis and Bowman are one of the best pair of LBs the NFL has ever seen, but do they have the sort of leadership skills that won't allow their defense to "drop-off"? Do they take personal responsibility for the play of their entire defense like Ray Lewis did?
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Leadership only matters so much if you can't generate a pass rush (even for ray Lewis )
 
drummer said:
5Rings said:
I can see us starting out 0-2 and ending up 13-3. Amiwrong?
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I can see the 49ers going 10-6, so I dunno. They were 11-4-1 last season, so I'm teetering on the bubble of 10 wins. But we have yet to see if the drop-off on defense late carries over. But I still have them pegged at 10 wins.
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Last season I predicted 11-5, and looking at the 2013 schedule, I see the same. 11-5. Mark it down.
 
thecatch said:
Hooper31 said:
drummer said:
But we have yet to see if the drop-off on defense late carries over.
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I think Willis and Bowman are one of the best pair of LBs the NFL has ever seen, but do they have the sort of leadership skills that won't allow their defense to "drop-off"? Do they take personal responsibility for the play of their entire defense like Ray Lewis did?
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Leadership only matters so much if you can't generate a pass rush (even for ray Lewis )
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Pretty much, and the key stat for most of the 49er defensive success was really in their TO ratio over the past two seasons, which like I said before had a huge drop, like -19 from the +28 of 2011 to +9 or something in 2012.

So if the TO Ratio hovers around a +3, that could mean a game or two.

I dunno if the Willis/Bowman tandem is the "best the NFL has ever seen". That's a big statement that needs a bit of measure to throw something out like that.

 
Wingnut said:
drummer said:
5Rings said:
I can see us starting out 0-2 and ending up 13-3. Amiwrong?
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I can see the 49ers going 10-6, so I dunno. They were 11-4-1 last season, so I'm teetering on the bubble of 10 wins. But we have yet to see if the drop-off on defense late carries over. But I still have them pegged at 10 wins.
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Last season I predicted 11-5, and looking at the 2013 schedule, I see the same. 11-5. Mark it down.
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Ok, to hell with it. GO BIG OR GO HOME!

9-7

 
drummer said:
I dunno if the Willis/Bowman tandem is the "best the NFL has ever seen". That's a big statement that needs a bit of measure to throw something out like that.
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Time will tell. Back to back first team all-pro for the tandem. I'm guessing that hasn't happened too often. Perhaps it has and I'm off base.

 
Wingnut said:
Wingnut, on 22 Apr 2013 - 01:20, said:

drummer said:
drummer, on 21 Apr 2013 - 22:26, said:

Wingnut said:
Wingnut, on 21 Apr 2013 - 14:25, said:

Interesting read here, a game by game prediction for the 2013 season.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1122-way-too-early-prediction-49ers-2013-record/
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Not to bash your post, but the 49erWebzone iswhere brain cells go to die.
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Lol I dont give a flying #### about where articles come from, if they interest me, I read them.
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Again, I'm not bashing your post but the Webzone editorial 'brain cell trust' is a study of a diet of paint chips, video games, 100,000 page threads on Alex Smith, a David Carr bandwagon, and one Sydney Mayhew who used to be the de-facto writer for the Front Page section. If you ever read any Mayhew, that was like eating paint chips.It's several rungs below Bleacher Report. Which even the Webzone doesn't respect. Well unless someone there writes that the 49ers are the greatest organization in the history of sports. Then they agree.

 
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Hooper31 said:
drummer said:
I dunno if the Willis/Bowman tandem is the "best the NFL has ever seen". That's a big statement that needs a bit of measure to throw something out like that.
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Time will tell. Back to back first team all-pro for the tandem. I'm guessing that hasn't happened too often. Perhaps it has and I'm off base.
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Willis has been 1st team AP for almost every season of his career. To me it's more like pairing a talented player with a steady rock who has played more on lesser defenses without any real help. Willis pretty much was the whole 49er defense at one point. Almost every defensive play had his name attached to it before Fangio came along, and since Fangio came on Justin Smith finally got a 1st team nod. I think the LB corp is awesome, but to call the Willis and Bowman tandem the best ever would have to bring in the other great defenses in NFL history, pre and post merger. Yet you could have Mike Nolan as DC and maybe not have that tandem making 1st team AP. It's all about the scheme, the components and Patrick Willis, who could most likely be the true HOF defensive player out of this 49er era.ETA: Takeo Spikes at age 34 on the 2010 49ers under Greg Manusky: 81 tkls, 27 asts. Willis at age 26 in 2011 under Fangio paired with Bowman: 82 tkls, 23 asts. One of those did not make 1st team AP.
 
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Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) tweeted at 10:24 AM on Thu, Apr 25, 2013:

Increasing chatter of SF coming up into top 15. 49ers looking to strengthen an already tough defense.

 
Per Barrows:

There's an increasing amount of chatter this morning that the 49ers will trade up in the first round into the top 15, presumably for a defensive linemen. The most plausible spot is No. 13, which is currently held by the Jets. Why does this make sense? First, the Jets have a lot of holes to fill and could use the extra picks from a trade. Second, the 49ers would need to get ahead of the Panthers at pick No. 14 because they also could use a defensive linemen.

Who's the target? My guess - as it's been for nearly a month - is Missouri defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson. He's very athletic for his size - 6-3, 290 - has long arms (Trent Baalke loooooves long arms) and played in the best conference, the SEC, last year. Richardson could be a situational pass rusher this year while spelling starters Ray McDonald and Justin Smith. Next year he could perhaps take over Smith's starting role at right defensive end.

Another possibility is Utah's Star Loutoleile, another big but light-footed lineman who could play all three defensive line spots for the 49ers. A safety - Kenny Vacarro from Texas - would address the team's biggest immediate need. The 49ers probably would have to get ahead of the Rams at No. 16 for a shot at Vaccaro. My sense is that another possible target, West Virginia receiver Tavon Austin, will be gone before the 49ers are ready to pounce.

Let's say the 49ers trade with the Jets for No. 13. What would the 49ers have to give up? According to the draft trade chart, the 13th overall pick is worth 1,150 points. San Francisco's 31st pick is worth 600 points and its 34th pick is worth 560, so the team's first two picks are possible compensation. But there are plenty of other combinations. A package of 31, 61 and 74 and so on would get the 49ers close.

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/04/spring-ahead-who-would-the-49ers-target-by-trading-up.html#storylink=cpy

 
Pick 18, round one, SF takes Safety Eric Reid from LSU.

We got our safety. Anyone still think Dahl will start at S? Lol

 
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Wingnut said:
Pick 18, round one, SF takes Safety Eric Reid from LSU.We got our safety. Anyone still think Dahl will start at S? Lol
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Scouting reports aren't glowing and he doesn't appear to be a coverage guy. After the Taylor mays experiment I'm terrified of safeties with good combine numbers and no ball skills. Can't say I'm pumped about the pick.
 
thecatch said:
Wingnut said:
Pick 18, round one, SF takes Safety Eric Reid from LSU.We got our safety. Anyone still think Dahl will start at S? Lol
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Scouting reports aren't glowing and he doesn't appear to be a coverage guy. After the Taylor mays experiment I'm terrified of safeties with good combine numbers and no ball skills. Can't say I'm pumped about the pick.
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I don't watch college but from what I've read he will be a great compliment to Whitner and all he needs to do is play within himself in this defense and he will be fine. Let's hope so
 
I'm not so sure Reid is any better than Matt Elam who just got taken at 32. I know the cost wasn't a ton to move up but Reid doesn't really do it for me. Hope I'm wrong but just didn't see the need.

 
Wingnut said:
thecatch said:
Wingnut said:
Pick 18, round one, SF takes Safety Eric Reid from LSU.We got our safety. Anyone still think Dahl will start at S? Lol
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Scouting reports aren't glowing and he doesn't appear to be a coverage guy. After the Taylor mays experiment I'm terrified of safeties with good combine numbers and no ball skills. Can't say I'm pumped about the pick.
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I don't watch college but from what I've read he will be a great compliment to Whitner and all he needs to do is play within himself in this defense and he will be fine. Let's hope so
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On the broadcast they said he was a hitter and poor in coverage. That's the worst possible compliment to Whitner. Maybe they are thinking Reid replaces Whitner next year and someone else plays FS.
 
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