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Missed the game, but damn this line is sexy. I have no idea why Sabes kept bouncing this guy around for the last two years. He's got great dirty dirty stuff.
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I'm almost ready to put him in the company of Cain and TIMMAH, but I've been a Sanchez supporter for the last couple years. I don't care if he is a little wild you don't see lefties that with his type of stuff that throw in the mid-90s very often. These three guys are going to be the only chance the Giants have at winning all year.
Oh and the obligatory.... I loved you the first time around, but GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LINE UP RICHIE!!!!
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I'm almost ready to put him in the company of Cain and TIMMAH, but I've been a Sanchez supporter for the last couple years. I don't care if he is a little wild you don't see lefties that with his type of stuff that throw in the mid-90s very often. These three guys are going to be the only chance the Giants have at winning all year.
Oh and the obligatory.... I loved you the first time around, but GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LINE UP RICHIE!!!!
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Woohoo we're not in last! 3rd flippin' place!!!!
Apparently I'm not the only one with this idea. From ESPN.com today:"We also asked high-ranking officials of two clubs what they would do if they had a big-buck disaster like Zito on their team. The first replied: "I'd cry." The second had a more innovative proposal. "Here's what they should do," he said. "They should go to Zito and say, 'Look, it's clear this is not going to work. Let's put together an NBA-type deferral package. We'll take the whole contract, defer it over 30 years with no interest and then we'll release you, to let you start fresh somewhere else.' "The club could get significant cost savings that way. You take $112 million over 30 years, that's $3.7 million a year. You're better off paying him $3.7 million a year to not pitch than having him go out and do what he's doing. … In the NBA, this happens a lot. The union would never let him do that in our sport. But you know what? From the player's standpoint, he'd be better off." or..."An official of one pitching-starved team said this week: "I think I could trade for Barry Zito right now. But who the hell would want to?" So we posed this question: How much money would the Giants have to pay of Zito's remaining $112.5 million or so to get somebody -- anybody -- interested? "The Giants would have to eat 80 percent -- I'm talking $80-90 million," the official replied."I'm on board with either
Statorama
Footballguy
Today would have been a perfect day for them to shave some innings off of Lincecum's arm. The kid is leading 8 to 1 after 7 innings, he's thrown 85 pitches...bring in a reliever to close out the final two innings and have a nice day. Nooooooooooooo they leave him in an extra inning to get his pitch count over 100 and give up an extra run.
Just stupid to leave him in there in a blowout game.
Just stupid to leave him in there in a blowout game.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
They did this again last night. 108 pitches through 7 and leading 6-1 in Arizona. They let him start the 8th and he let the first two guys get on base and fatass Walker let them both score. I don't understand why they let him start the 8th inning.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
1. Very annoying how bad the G-men have been at home this year. Hopefully it's just small sample size and they'll play better at home the rest of the year. Very frustrating to sweep the dbacks on the road then lose 2 of 3 to the pads at home.
2. Freddie Lewis looks like a keeper. I'd feel a lot better about the Giants' future if they could point to 2 position players from the system that could play everyday for the next 3-4 years and not embarrass themselves. Lewis looks like he has a decent chance to be one of them.
2. Freddie Lewis looks like a keeper. I'd feel a lot better about the Giants' future if they could point to 2 position players from the system that could play everyday for the next 3-4 years and not embarrass themselves. Lewis looks like he has a decent chance to be one of them.
Eephus
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Lewis is the only "young" position player who has distinguished himself this year. He's 27 and not really a prospect but he's passable in sort of a low salary version of Randy Winn way.Jose Castillo hasn't been horrible for a Pittsburgh & Florida castoff. He's 27 as well and doesn't hit enough for a 3B, but he could be adequate if he can manage to field a middle infield position.Other than that, nobody has stepped up.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Is anyone having a quieter very good year than Bengie Molina?
I hardly ever hear his name.
Mauer, McCann, Soto from Chicago, get all the attention. Even this Napoli guy (who seems like the Dave Kingman of catchers, either hitting an HR or striking out) gets his name mentioned more than Molina.
He's been great.
I hardly ever hear his name.
Mauer, McCann, Soto from Chicago, get all the attention. Even this Napoli guy (who seems like the Dave Kingman of catchers, either hitting an HR or striking out) gets his name mentioned more than Molina.
He's been great.
Celph Titled
Footballguy
Only 5.5 more years of Zito. 
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Footballguy
Was out of the country for a couple weeks. Checking up on the Giants draft, I'm really happy with the way things have turned out. I would have prefered Smoak (the switch hitting college power first baseman drawing comparisons to Chipper and Tex) to Posey ( A late 90's Jason Kendall with Gold-glove caliber defense) but I'm not upset about it.
Here's a summary of the a couple chats I read through concerning the giants.
Kevin Goldstein (11:43:27 AM PT): 5. Giants take Buster Posey. If you heard Bud make the announcement, now you know why he goes by Buster. This is a fantastic pick at five for the Giants. Really great find at five, and I'll bet anything right now that he doesn't get $12 million from SF.
Bryan Smith (11:44:34 AM PT): Kevin's right in one area: Posey is far better than Kendall defensively, so the comparison is far from perfect. But let's not forget how good Kendall was offensively: .310/.410/.480 for the years I'm talking about as his ceiling. It's a good pick, and Posey has improved every year of college. And hell, I love him because he's the first Cape guy to go.
Kevin Goldstein (2:23:40 PM PT): 37. SF, Conor Gillaspie, 3b, Wichita St.
A lot of people saw this as a first-round bat, but at the same time, there might be money problems. Giants looks to be ready to do the right thing in the draft.
Bryan Smith (2:24:29 PM PT): San Francisco takes another player in Gillaspie in the sandwich round that's going to hit for a good average and just a little power. I like Gillaspie quite a bit, though, and I think he's really going to hit. The Giants really have improved their future today with Gillaspie and Posey.
Kevin Goldstein (4:20:18 PM PT): ted (the cubicle): How about Roger Kieschnick -- did the Giants go 3 for 3? I saw Baseball America had him at #44.
Believe it or not, the Giants are kicking ### and taking names.
Kevin Goldstein (4:24:28 PM PT): bravoatoc (Tulsa): So, I know we aren't near being done, but what are your initial views on who had the best draft and who had the worst? Actually who is having the best draft, the Astros ARE having the worst.
I haven't had time to digest it all, but as weird as this sounds. I really like the Giants draft.
Bryan Smith (4:39:42 PM PT): The Giants pop Brandon Crawford here in the fourth, and I think it's a fabulous selection. Crawford is incredibly raw for someone his age, but he has some really nice tools. After going for sure bets in Buster Posey and Conor Gillaspie, Crawford is the perfect type of complement. Throw in Roger Kieschnick, who was once considered a first round right fielder, and it's possible -- not likely, but possible -- the Giants just filled half their future.
Kenny (Sacramento): After the last 2 drafts, which appeared to be solid, where would you rank the Giants farm system?
SportsNation Keith Law: Assuming they get these guys signed, which I assume they will, they're probably top five.
Buster Posey (taken No. 5), C, Giants: Unlike some other top college catchers that were recently drafted, like Walker or Jeff Clement, Posey is going to be a plus backstop defensively, and he's in a system that is pretty barren of catching prospects. He fell a few spots because his upside isn't as great as that of some of the other players in this draft, but he's a potential .300 hitter with 20-homer pop at a position where that kind of production draws the sharp notice of fantasy owners.
Potential: Top offensive catcher ETA: 2010
Conor Gillaspie (taken No. 37), 3B, Giants: He's a doubles hitter that could eventually contend for a batting title, and the team needs a third baseman.
Roger Kieschnick (taken No. 82), OF, Giants: Is he another in a long line of failed Giants power prospects? Perhaps, but he could be a five-category fantasy player if he can tighten up what he swings at and make enough contact.
Plus add the signing of 16 year old Dominican prospect Rafael Rodriguez, who is drawing comparisons to Vlad, because of his size and power with the bat. Rodriguez can work the entire outfield and drive the ball anywhere.
I was blaming Sabean for the last couple years of ineptitude, but maybe more of the blame lies with Magowan than I thought.
Here's a summary of the a couple chats I read through concerning the giants.
Kevin Goldstein (11:43:27 AM PT): 5. Giants take Buster Posey. If you heard Bud make the announcement, now you know why he goes by Buster. This is a fantastic pick at five for the Giants. Really great find at five, and I'll bet anything right now that he doesn't get $12 million from SF.
Bryan Smith (11:44:34 AM PT): Kevin's right in one area: Posey is far better than Kendall defensively, so the comparison is far from perfect. But let's not forget how good Kendall was offensively: .310/.410/.480 for the years I'm talking about as his ceiling. It's a good pick, and Posey has improved every year of college. And hell, I love him because he's the first Cape guy to go.
Kevin Goldstein (2:23:40 PM PT): 37. SF, Conor Gillaspie, 3b, Wichita St.
A lot of people saw this as a first-round bat, but at the same time, there might be money problems. Giants looks to be ready to do the right thing in the draft.
Bryan Smith (2:24:29 PM PT): San Francisco takes another player in Gillaspie in the sandwich round that's going to hit for a good average and just a little power. I like Gillaspie quite a bit, though, and I think he's really going to hit. The Giants really have improved their future today with Gillaspie and Posey.
Kevin Goldstein (4:20:18 PM PT): ted (the cubicle): How about Roger Kieschnick -- did the Giants go 3 for 3? I saw Baseball America had him at #44.
Believe it or not, the Giants are kicking ### and taking names.
Kevin Goldstein (4:24:28 PM PT): bravoatoc (Tulsa): So, I know we aren't near being done, but what are your initial views on who had the best draft and who had the worst? Actually who is having the best draft, the Astros ARE having the worst.
I haven't had time to digest it all, but as weird as this sounds. I really like the Giants draft.
Bryan Smith (4:39:42 PM PT): The Giants pop Brandon Crawford here in the fourth, and I think it's a fabulous selection. Crawford is incredibly raw for someone his age, but he has some really nice tools. After going for sure bets in Buster Posey and Conor Gillaspie, Crawford is the perfect type of complement. Throw in Roger Kieschnick, who was once considered a first round right fielder, and it's possible -- not likely, but possible -- the Giants just filled half their future.
Kenny (Sacramento): After the last 2 drafts, which appeared to be solid, where would you rank the Giants farm system?
SportsNation Keith Law: Assuming they get these guys signed, which I assume they will, they're probably top five.
Buster Posey (taken No. 5), C, Giants: Unlike some other top college catchers that were recently drafted, like Walker or Jeff Clement, Posey is going to be a plus backstop defensively, and he's in a system that is pretty barren of catching prospects. He fell a few spots because his upside isn't as great as that of some of the other players in this draft, but he's a potential .300 hitter with 20-homer pop at a position where that kind of production draws the sharp notice of fantasy owners.
Potential: Top offensive catcher ETA: 2010
Conor Gillaspie (taken No. 37), 3B, Giants: He's a doubles hitter that could eventually contend for a batting title, and the team needs a third baseman.
Roger Kieschnick (taken No. 82), OF, Giants: Is he another in a long line of failed Giants power prospects? Perhaps, but he could be a five-category fantasy player if he can tighten up what he swings at and make enough contact.
Plus add the signing of 16 year old Dominican prospect Rafael Rodriguez, who is drawing comparisons to Vlad, because of his size and power with the bat. Rodriguez can work the entire outfield and drive the ball anywhere.
I was blaming Sabean for the last couple years of ineptitude, but maybe more of the blame lies with Magowan than I thought.
RedRaiders
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So what was up with horowitz taking LF starts from Lewis this past weekend? Just bad pitching matchups or are they in a full fledge platoon? Lewis has been solid the last couple weeks, hitting over .300 with a bunch of runs. I started him this past period and need to again this coming week. At least he went 2-3 as a late inning replacement.
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Footballguy
Very good article on Lincecum in this week's SI.
Interesting how most teams were hesitant to draft him because they feared that such a small guy throwing so hard would inevitably blow out his arm.
They really go into detail about how solid his mechanics were and how almost stress-free they are on his arm. They contrasted the 5'10" 170 lb. Lincecum with the 6'4" 225 Mark Prior, and how Prior had awful mechanics, despite what the experts thought, and that's why his career is nearly over.
Interesting how most teams were hesitant to draft him because they feared that such a small guy throwing so hard would inevitably blow out his arm.
They really go into detail about how solid his mechanics were and how almost stress-free they are on his arm. They contrasted the 5'10" 170 lb. Lincecum with the 6'4" 225 Mark Prior, and how Prior had awful mechanics, despite what the experts thought, and that's why his career is nearly over.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
just want to let the giant fans know about the white sox and giants agreement to vote for JD and rowand. they have it displayed on both official giants and white sox sites.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
I went to Saturday night's game against the Dogs with my Doger fan uncle. Tickets (and beers) were my gift to him for his birthday so I went large and got seats in the dugout club on stubhub. Wow. If you've never sat in the 2nd row behind the plate, I heartily suggest you try it at least once in your life. We had a really sweet view of Russell Martin chasing the ball when Broxton threw it away in the bottom of the 10th as he charged and slid right at us. Very, very cool stuff.
Eephus
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Eephus
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commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Indeed it was. Very cool to see Kevin Mitchell and HacMan in particular. Brett Butler was also there, even though I identify him more with the Dodgers at this point.It must have been cool to see all the old-timer outfieldersneflapdown:
Eephus
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Did Mitchell decapitate any cats?In other news,Indeed it was. Very cool to see Kevin Mitchell and HacMan in particular. Brett Butler was also there, even though I identify him more with the Dodgers at this point.It must have been cool to see all the old-timer outfielders
We'll see if any keepers come out of this bunch.
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Footballguy
Bowker, as much as I like him, has played himself out of a job. And Ishikawa has earned a chance to show what he can do at the major league level. I think this is a good move. I could go either way with the Sandoval move, I'd feel better about it if Molina was gone, which was guarantee Sandoval getting at-bats. If they brought him up just to sit on the bench, I'm going to be pissed. If he plays I'm not worried too much. He's earned a call up this fall, even if it's a couple weeks early.Rohlinger, I'm not so sure about. He's been playing alright in CT, but I really think he could stay there the rest of the year, or at most go to Fresno. That being said, since this move contributes to Castillo being DFA'ed I'm conflicted as to whether this was good or not. Also good news... Giants signed all their big picks. I've seen conflicting reports of Posey, but I think they'll get it done. After this draft, a couple signings abroad, and the continued success of some prospects in the low minors (Bamgardner and Alderson) I think this has got to be one of the better systems in the league.Did Mitchell decapitate any cats?In other news,Indeed it was. Very cool to see Kevin Mitchell and HacMan in particular. Brett Butler was also there, even though I identify him more with the Dodgers at this point.It must have been cool to see all the old-timer outfieldersWe'll see if any keepers come out of this bunch.
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Rumor that Cain might be dealt for Prince Fielder & JJ Hardy. I can't imagine the Brewers would be so stupid, but there's always hope.
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1248904.html
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1248904.html
Eephus
Footballguy
That's a whole lot better package than Alexis Rios. The Brewers will need pitching badly after CC and Sheets sign elsewhere. Alcides Escobar will soon be ready at SS and Milwaukee has some other options who could step in at 1B, although Fielder's production will be impossible to replace. I think it's very unlikely to happen but who know if the Brewers will overreact if they fall short of the playoffs this year.
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I heard a Sabean interview last week or two ago, in which he said that going into next season SS was Burriss' job to lose. I had heard Fielder was possible, but not Hardy. I'm not sure how I feel. Ishi is doing decently, and Pablo is doing great. I don't think the Giants are going to contend next year, I would be tempted to hold Cain at least till next offseason, to determine whether a couple of the position players develop to at least useful players, and whether the minor league pitching prospects continue developing and are worth letting Cain go.Although a guy could hit more than 20 homers would be really nice. I ambivalent.
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Eephus
Footballguy
Congratulations to Tim Lincecum on his Cy Young Award, no thanks to Chris DeLuca of the Chicago Sun Times who left Lincecum out of his top three.
And in other news, the Jints signed Josh Phelps to a minor league deal. It's not a terrible signing unless they intend to give him a bunch of ABs. SF hasn't had an above average offensive 1B since Will Clark. Of course with Brian Sabean, he may have thought he was actually signing Ken Phelps.
And in other news, the Jints signed Josh Phelps to a minor league deal. It's not a terrible signing unless they intend to give him a bunch of ABs. SF hasn't had an above average offensive 1B since Will Clark. Of course with Brian Sabean, he may have thought he was actually signing Ken Phelps.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Why didn't Niekro work out? I thought he was going to be a poor man's Mark Grace.
The Ref
Footballguy
Looks like he was right - Can you imagine if they traded Tim L this past offseason?I think if he got any part of this BS article right, it was this part. They need to get some bats in there, but the future of this franchise *should* be built around these two guys.Kicking off the official thread of the Giants' 50th year in SF with some words from Brian Sabean.
See, he has a plan after all.This year is going to be painful
Eephus
Footballguy
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants...;entry_id=37753
Emmanuel Burriss wins the 2B job. Frandsen optioned to Fresno. Burriss has some SB potential but is probably only rosterable in the deepest league.
Emmanuel Burriss wins the 2B job. Frandsen optioned to Fresno. Burriss has some SB potential but is probably only rosterable in the deepest league.
Eephus
Footballguy
He's been a hitting machine for the past year plus. On the other hand, he's supposedly a butcher with the glove and has been given up on by two different organizations. If he turns out to be a big league hitter, it's like found money.Sabean will probably trade him for Paul Assenmacher or something.
Eephus
Footballguy
Batted in the three hole today against a RHP so there's some value there. Decent speed and a little bit of pop but wouldn't be a #3 hitter for most teams in AAA. He'll probably lose some ABs to Schierholz, at least until Rowand runs into something.
strykerpks
Footballguy
What a wicked shot off Joe Martinez's head last night. I really hope the kid's ok. 
Eephus
Footballguy
That was scary. He was fortunate to walk away with just a concussion.
Regular Crust Pizza
Footballguy
Try 3 hairline fractures in his skull.That was scary. He was fortunate to walk away with just a concussion.What a wicked shot off Joe Martinez's head last night. I really hope the kid's ok.
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Footballguy
He'll report to extended spring training, then AAA. I like it, even if it is a year too late.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Apparently Zito just needs his personal panda catcher.
Right back atcha, Pads.
Right back atcha, Pads.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
First two games of this dodgers series have been kinda weird, with lots of shady baserunning and fielding. Hopefully tonight the G-men play better tonight as I am catching my first game of the year at the big phone. Go Timmy!
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Saw something I thought I'd never see at a baseball game last night, a Bengie Molina triple. It was quite a sight to see him trucking around second and arrive at third without a throw. If I could see a Giants pitcher throw a no hitter and the G-men win the World Series, my baseball watching life would be complete.
