Santana Moss (1 Viewer)

[loose circuits]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

I don't think it's a guarantee at all but it isn't all that unlikely imo.To respond to the bolded, Armstrong had half as many receptions and TDs and about 250 yards less, so no not really. I also don't think money is going to be a huge deterrant for Daniel Snyder especially if its an uncapped year. I also don't think Moss is going to be able to secure any huge payday, who exactly is going to pay him big if not Synder?

Anthony Armstrong was a 27 year old rookie from a minor league arena team, he was a great story and I'll root for his success, but he isn't all that great and would be much better suited to be an NFL WR3 than a starter.

I don't blame people for specualting at this point what else can we do? Isn't it also an assumption not to pencil Moss into Washington's line-up? At this point we have to weigh what is more likely to happen. Moss being back in Washington is more likley than not imo at least.

 

[MikeApf]

I think the Redskins draft showed that they are open to letting Moss go this season. I don't disagree that the team would probably be better off keeping him and adding to that his age, contract expectations etc. actually do not help him land with another team. It's not a "lock" that he just bolts to another team to maintain his high salary. With that said, it seems clear that the Redskins now (finally) have an eye toward the future. So, I think either way he is going to be phased out. If Armstrong can continue to progress and Hankerson shows that he can start, Moss will be a smaller part of the puzzle.

 

[Raymell McKigney]

I think the Redskins draft showed that they are open to letting Moss go this season. I don't disagree that the team would probably be better off keeping him and adding to that his age, contract expectations etc. actually do not help him land with another team. It's not a "lock" that he just bolts to another team to maintain his high salary. With that said, it seems clear that the Redskins now (finally) have an eye toward the future. So, I think either way he is going to be phased out. If Armstrong can continue to progress and Hankerson shows that he can start, Moss will be a smaller part of the puzzle.

How many WR's did they draft.....3, I think the Redskins draft shows they don't like their WR situation AT ALL!!

 

[MikeApf]

I think the Redskins draft showed that they are open to letting Moss go this season. I don't disagree that the team would probably be better off keeping him and adding to that his age, contract expectations etc. actually do not help him land with another team. It's not a "lock" that he just bolts to another team to maintain his high salary. With that said, it seems clear that the Redskins now (finally) have an eye toward the future. So, I think either way he is going to be phased out. If Armstrong can continue to progress and Hankerson shows that he can start, Moss will be a smaller part of the puzzle.

How many WR's did they draft.....3, I think the Redskins draft shows they don't like their WR situation AT ALL!!

Oh, I agree they don't like it...that's why they drafted several WRs. Specifically, they chose 3:Third Round, No. 79 (from Miami): Leonard Hankerson, WR, MiamiFifth Round, No. 155 (from New Orleans): Niles Paul, WR, NebraskaSixth Round, No. 178 (from Houston): Aldrick Robinson, WR, SMUHere's the way I look at it. Of these three, the only guaranteed to get playing time is Hankerson. Then they have Armstrong. So, yes, they could roll with Moss and have them be the top three WRs. But, the Redskins also did not give Moss a new contract yet and appear to be ok with him leaving. Based on the fact that no one will give Moss a big contract, I could see him staying on, but not being "the man" to the same degree that he used to be. But yeah, they don't like the WR situation...it sucks! That's why they drafted three!

 

[Jason Wood]

As the guy who always writes the NFC East Team Reports, and is crafting them for 2011 now, I agree with you Loose Circuits that it's not a foregone conclusion. But I think right now with the labor uncertainty, there's a thought that a great many UFAs and RFAs will end up re-signing with their current teams, because the shortened time frame of any free agency will make teams reluctant to break ranks unless it's for someone a) they really know is no longer a fit (e.g., Terrell Owens in Cincy) or b) is so obviously elite it's worth bringing them into the fold (e.g., Nnamdi).

So I think with most (not all) UFAs, unless you already have an inkling that the team isn't generally in favor of that player going forward, the presumption is they'll be back.

All that said though, we don't really know how things will go. Washington may only want Santana back on a one-year deal, for example and he may want (and get) two or three years from another team. Right now it's all just educated guessing.

 

[Sweet Love]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

I don't think it's a guarantee at all but it isn't all that unlikely imo.To respond to the bolded, Armstrong had half as many receptions and TDs and about 250 yards less, so no not really. I also don't think money is going to be a huge deterrant for Daniel Snyder especially if its an uncapped year. I also don't think Moss is going to be able to secure any huge payday, who exactly is going to pay him big if not Synder?

Anthony Armstrong was a 27 year old rookie from a minor league arena team, he was a great story and I'll root for his success, but he isn't all that great and would be much better suited to be an NFL WR3 than a starter.

I don't blame people for specualting at this point what else can we do? Isn't it also an assumption not to pencil Moss into Washington's line-up? At this point we have to weigh what is more likely to happen. Moss being back in Washington is more likley than not imo at least.

I think the bolded is a very valid point. The closest "career" comparison is Oronde Gadsden. Oronde also started as a 27 year old rookie and had similar numbers to start (48/713/7), yet his fantasy points stayed roughly the same for the next two years before he fizzled out. I believe this was due to the fact that he had already peaked (he was not a "true" rookie...I liken him to a 25 year old European who joins the NBA...you git what you got). It is not a bad thing and sure, he could improve, but with Armstrong, I think this is what we are getting, and when Moss is playing well (i.e. not hurt), he is more consistent. I also am also leary when guys put up nice receiving numbers over large chunks of yardage. Armstrong averaged nearly 20 yards/reception, and I think it had less to do with his ability than the fact that teams were not ready for him...or were willing to let him beat them versus Moss, Cooley, Torian.

 

[Sweet Love]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

I don't think it's a guarantee at all but it isn't all that unlikely imo.To respond to the bolded, Armstrong had half as many receptions and TDs and about 250 yards less, so no not really. I also don't think money is going to be a huge deterrant for Daniel Snyder especially if its an uncapped year. I also don't think Moss is going to be able to secure any huge payday, who exactly is going to pay him big if not Synder?

Anthony Armstrong was a 27 year old rookie from a minor league arena team, he was a great story and I'll root for his success, but he isn't all that great and would be much better suited to be an NFL WR3 than a starter.

I don't blame people for specualting at this point what else can we do? Isn't it also an assumption not to pencil Moss into Washington's line-up? At this point we have to weigh what is more likely to happen. Moss being back in Washington is more likley than not imo at least.

I think the bolded is a very valid point. The closest "career" comparison is Oronde Gadsden. Oronde also started as a 27 year old rookie and had similar numbers to start (48/713/7), yet his fantasy points stayed roughly the same for the next two years before he fizzled out. I believe this was due to the fact that he had already peaked (he was not a "true" rookie...I liken him to a 25 year old European who joins the NBA...you git what you got). It is not a bad thing and sure, he could improve, but with Armstrong, I think this is what we are getting, and when Moss is playing well (i.e. not hurt), he is more consistent. I also am also leary when guys put up nice receiving numbers over large chunks of yardage. Armstrong averaged nearly 20 yards/reception, and I think it had less to do with his ability than the fact that teams were not ready for him...or were willing to let him beat them versus Moss, Cooley, Torian.Sorry: Web hung up and ended up sending it twice...good point (IMHO), but not so nice I had to send it twice...

 

[MTskibum]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

It looks like there are just 2 of us on the armstrong train The thing about Moss is that he is incredible underrated. Since he broke out in his 3rd year he has averaged 1,000 receiving yards over the last 8 years. He is getting older, but he had 1,100 yards last season. Moss has the talent to be a true #1 for the redskins next season.Armstrong has the talent to be a 800 yard #2 receiver. There is nothing wrong with 800 yard receivers, they are the solid depth guys that you want on your fantasy team during the bye weeks. But it should not be assumed that Armstrong can take the #1 receiving role from Moss. I think that Armstrong and Moss are going to be the two starters and Hankerson is going to spend a year or two as the third receiver.

 

[B Maverick]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

It looks like there are just 2 of us on the armstrong train The thing about Moss is that he is incredible underrated. Since he broke out in his 3rd year he has averaged 1,000 receiving yards over the last 8 years. He is getting older, but he had 1,100 yards last season. Moss has the talent to be a true #1 for the redskins next season.Armstrong has the talent to be a 800 yard #2 receiver. There is nothing wrong with 800 yard receivers, they are the solid depth guys that you want on your fantasy team during the bye weeks. But it should not be assumed that Armstrong can take the #1 receiving role from Moss. I think that Armstrong and Moss are going to be the two starters and Hankerson is going to spend a year or two as the third receiver.

I am an Armstrong fan... Everything i have read this offseason was Wash getting a WR to play opposite Armstrong since Moss would be gone. Age, inconsistency (from game to game despite his year to year ave) and need to get new blood into the team. This is honestly the first time I had read that people believed Moss would be back.

 

[MTskibum]

So far I've read a few rookie threads and keep seeing posts like Hankerson has a chance to start next to Santana or whatever. It's bugging me because there is no way we should assume Santana is back in Washington. Doesn't Anthony Armstrong do the same type of things for far less money, than what Santana is going to demand on the open market? Is there any evidence that he is likely to return to Washington? He's not even a RFA so I just don't understand the logic of immediately assuming he's back.

It looks like there are just 2 of us on the armstrong train The thing about Moss is that he is incredible underrated. Since he broke out in his 3rd year he has averaged 1,000 receiving yards over the last 8 years. He is getting older, but he had 1,100 yards last season. Moss has the talent to be a true #1 for the redskins next season.Armstrong has the talent to be a 800 yard #2 receiver. There is nothing wrong with 800 yard receivers, they are the solid depth guys that you want on your fantasy team during the bye weeks. But it should not be assumed that Armstrong can take the #1 receiving role from Moss. I think that Armstrong and Moss are going to be the two starters and Hankerson is going to spend a year or two as the third receiver.

I am an Armstrong fan... Everything i have read this offseason was Wash getting a WR to play opposite Armstrong since Moss would be gone. Age, inconsistency (from game to game despite his year to year ave) and need to get new blood into the team. This is honestly the first time I had read that people believed Moss would be back.

Santana Moss's worst years were in the 800-900 range. On any year that places him as the 25th to 35th best receiver on a nfl team. Moss's floor is that of a high end WR #2, and on his good years he approaches a top 10 wr. Moss's two worst years were with Mark Brunell's last 10 starts and Jason Campbell's first 26 starts. There is no reason that Moss should not produce two more 1000 yard receiving seasons, and a couple more in the eight to nine hundred range.Look at Mason, Ward, TO, they are all playing at a high level into their mid 30's. Galloway and Marvin Harrison are two more that I can think of that retired recently.The redskins will regret letting Santana Moss get away. I think that Santana Moss can be either a nfl teams low end #1 receiver, or a high end #2. He is relativity healthy as well. I would project his availability at 80% over the next 4 seasons.I own Armstrong in both of my dynasty leagues, and I would say I am as bullish on him as anyone, but I would not want him stepping in for Moss if I was a redskins fan.