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Santonio Clutch Holmes or Braylon Edwards (1 Viewer)

jacobo_moses

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This affects me in one of my dynasty leagues. Just seeing if anyone had any insided information or a strong gut feeling.

Who gets resigned before March

Braylon Edwards or

Santonio Holmes???

Thanks

 
The Jets keep saying they want to bring both back and Edwards has gone out of his way to say how much he wants to stay in NY, but the likihood is that only one will be brought back and Holmes is just the better all around player.

 
IMO BRAYLON STAYS!!!!

Jets want to keep both but, I think Holmes is going to be all business at this point and look for top dollar...

Braylon on the other hand has been on a team he didn't mesh with and is finally happy.

I think Braylon is going to value that happiness a lot more than Holmes....

I think Braylon is a lot better than people want to give him credit for especially as a blocker and Rex Knows this and loves his game....

Holmes is going to want to get Brandon Marshall $$$$$ and will quickly be off the Jets radar.

 
Santonio Holmes is a great wide receiver.

Braylon Edwards can't catch the ball half the time.

If the money is even close, this is a no-brainer (appropriate considering these two).

 
Santonio Holmes is a great wide receiver.Braylon Edwards can't catch the ball half the time.If the money is even close, this is a no-brainer (appropriate considering these two).
Edwards wasn't that bad this season, he seems to have improved his concentration somewhat. I think there's a chance Holmes wants elite WR money and I doubt the Jets will pay that.
 
Santonio Holmes is a great wide receiver.Braylon Edwards can't catch the ball half the time.If the money is even close, this is a no-brainer (appropriate considering these two).
Honestly it seemed Holmes had more drops than Edwards this season, but I agree Holmes is the more dynamic WR. I will say though that people do seem to want to downgrade Edwards based on his time in Cleveland, but he's really a much better player than the perception when you watch him week in and week out.Reaper also brings up a great point in that Edwards is a very willing and effective blocker. As some one that has season tickets in the upper deck endzone, I have a unique perspective on just how much he helps on the run game. He's allowed LT and B. Smith to get some big runs to the outside because he takes out the first line of defense (including LBers) with a key block.
 
Santonio Holmes is a great wide receiver.

Braylon Edwards can't catch the ball half the time.

If the money is even close, this is a no-brainer (appropriate considering these two).
That's not really what we saw in NY.

IMO, he's worked a lot harder on his game and commited to the team.

He's been a great blocker... Caught the ball well and has been a great team mate.

I know people come to thread like this with some pre-conceptions but, I'm telling you what you think of Braylon is completely not what Rex thinks. Rex sees a FOOTBALL PLAYER who lays it on the line.

That said, I get that Holmes is the better play maker - I just think he's going to want to get paid. At this point in his career he probably thinks Championship games are the norm - Braylon has seen the other side.

 
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That said, I get that Holmes is the better play maker - I just think he's going to want to get paid. At this point in his career he probably thinks Championship games are the norm - Braylon has seen the other side.
That very well could end up being the best point made in this thread.
 
I agree with many of the sentiments listed:

+ Santonio will get more on the open market

+ Santonio has been with two good organizations and may not know what the "bad" looks like

+ Braylon has open stated he wants to stay in NY

My personal guess is that they sign Braylon, miss out on Santonio and bring in either Ocho or TO (my guess is TO) for a one year plug-in; draft a slot guy to eventually take over for Cotchery.

 
Speculation out there that Braylon lands in NE
Haven't heard that speculation in any reputable NE media circles. I don't think Braylon and BB would get along very well. We don't need that guy on a NE roster.
Local talk radio guys mentioned it. Nothing substantive.BB has got along with worse malcontents like Corey Dillon and Randy so i don't see that as a reason for it not happening.
 
Considering how Holmes outwardly expressed his frustration at Brian Shottenheimer after the AFCCG, it would surprise me if he wanted to play for him again. iI could totally see Holmes, not Edwards, signing with the Pats. He would be a great fit with Tom Brady in my opinion.

 
Speculation out there that Braylon lands in NE
Oh god I hope NOT. Braylon makes spectacular catches and drops easy ones. Sanchez consistently serves up hard to catch passes, while Brady usually puts it right in the eggbasket. I wouldn't want to watch a season of Braylon failing up a storm.
 
Considering how Holmes outwardly expressed his frustration at Brian Shottenheimer after the AFCCG, it would surprise me if he wanted to play for him again. iI could totally see Holmes, not Edwards, signing with the Pats. He would be a great fit with Tom Brady in my opinion.
Yeah, I have thought about this before....

That would be BRUTAL.

 
The only way the Jets keep Holmes is if they are the highest bidder for his services. Holmes will never be in a better spot to cash in so the Jets will not get a discount.

 
My personal guess is that they sign Braylon, miss out on Santonio and bring in either Ocho or TO (my guess is TO) for a one year plug-in; draft a slot guy to eventually take over for Cotchery.
No, please god, just no. :shock:
Not saying it is my favorite thing...but both TO and Ocho stated on their show, how they would love to play for a guy like Rex. You have to pay for Ocho, while you can get TO for free, so I really see them getting TO as a one year filler and then working on the eventual replacement for Cotchery/Smith. I would love it if they signed both Braylon and Holmes, but if it comes at the cost of a guy like David Harris, I want no part of it.
 
great points here about Holmes probably going to the highest bidder. I would guess that behind closed doors the Jets have seen some of what made Pitt so willing to part ways with Holmes. I would say Edwards has a better chance of being a Jet next year than Holmes.

 
great points here about Holmes probably going to the highest bidder. I would guess that behind closed doors the Jets have seen some of what made Pitt so willing to part ways with Holmes. I would say Edwards has a better chance of being a Jet next year than Holmes.

 
great points here about Holmes probably going to the highest bidder. I would guess that behind closed doors the Jets have seen some of what made Pitt so willing to part ways with Holmes. I would say Edwards has a better chance of being a Jet next year than Holmes.
Some of it came out yesterday with the locker room comments when he told reporters to ask Scotty as to why he didn't start. However, Santonio bailed the Jets out in a lot of games. Cleve, Detroit, and the last New England game come to mind. I think if he leaves Sanchez would take a significant step back. I'm not so sure they let him go easily.
 
It's really going to come down to how the Jets feel about those two behind closed doors that we aren't privy too. Santonio is hands down to me the better WR, but has the knucklehead factor and the higher price tag. We will see how the Jets feel about them depending on who they resign.

As a Santonio dynasty owner, I hope they let him walk. The Jets are solid and up and coming, but to me they are always going to be run game oriented which will limit Santonio's upside. I salivate at the thought of Santonio in an offense like New England's.

 
great points here about Holmes probably going to the highest bidder. I would guess that behind closed doors the Jets have seen some of what made Pitt so willing to part ways with Holmes. I would say Edwards has a better chance of being a Jet next year than Holmes.
Some of it came out yesterday with the locker room comments when he told reporters to ask Scotty as to why he didn't start. However, Santonio bailed the Jets out in a lot of games. Cleve, Detroit, and the last New England game come to mind. I think if he leaves Sanchez would take a significant step back. I'm not so sure they let him go easily.
"some of it"...... Ok, but, can you guys point to anything relating to "the rest of it".. :thumbup:

Player statements after a game like that are expected to get a little testy IMO....

But, since back to Hard Knocks, the Jets have been giddy in saying Holmes was the best player on the field.... Hard to not want the best player on your field back.

Again, I don't think the Jets will have the $$$$$ to throw at Holmes but, IMO they think the world of him and he's been almost another coach on and off the field.... Hard worker, good blocker...

I'd be interested to see links to Holmes being anything less than the perfect Teammate other than a few post game comments after that loss.

Holmes

""He is able to see the big picture,'' Jets backup quarterback Kellen Clemens said of Holmes. "A lot of guys have speed and good hands, but he has football knowledge. He feels the game, understands coverages, even understands pass protections to a certain extent. He works hard.''

Coleman said, when a Jets defensive back is beaten in practice by Holmes, Holmes will spend time with the player explaining how to defend certain moves and how to anticipate those moves.\

Jets safety Jim Leonhard, who is on injured reserve healing a broken leg, said Holmes "is always on the field coaching everybody and anyone who will listen. He shares his knowledge and that is so valuable to a team.''

 
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This stuff about Braylon struggling with catching the ball is based on pre-conceived notions and his struggles in the past. This past season, he was great catching the ball. Also, you have to take in to account the fact that Holmes faces a full season suspension if he gets caught violating NFL policy, and he'd cost more than Braylon. With that in mind, I'd expect the Jets to keep Braylon unless Santonio wants to sign for less, which I doubt.

 
This stuff about Braylon struggling with catching the ball is based on pre-conceived notions and his struggles in the past. This past season, he was great catching the ball. Also, you have to take in to account the fact that Holmes faces a full season suspension if he gets caught violating NFL policy, and he'd cost more than Braylon. With that in mind, I'd expect the Jets to keep Braylon unless Santonio wants to sign for less, which I doubt.
:unsure: One more strike and Holmes is out 1 year.
 
I could really see a scenario where both these guys stay with the Jets...I think the biggest reason is they may have more value to the Jets than to anyone else in the NFL. Both of these guys have some attitude and in Holmes case comes with some baggage. The Jets are turning into the old Raiders and I think they are very comfortable with "strong personalties" and have a Coach who can handle attitude. Besides that I don't think either of these guys get a big-time offer on the open-market. Neither of these guys have really put up big numbers in their career. While there's no question that Holmes has great physical skills and has some beyond clutch plays on his resume he's almost like a better, more skilled Deion Branch (Branch pre-Seattle) when you look at the numbers...he only has one year with more than 55 receptions, one year with more than 950 yards and one year with more than 6 TDs...add that with the fact he's got a few strikes against him and he may not get the big offer that many think he will get (although like Branch he may get it because it only takes one team). As for Edwards his six year average (and this includes that monster year) is 54-857-6.5...no doubt he's never been in a wide-open offense but I just don't see him getting an offer that blows away what the Jets are willing to give if Rex does like him as much as Jets fans say he does.

I'm not knocking these guys because they are both very productive (and as a Pats fan I would love to see Holmes elsewhere)...I just don't think they are going to get an offer that the Jets can't match if they want to keep them...at the end-of-the-day I think the Jets and Rex are the best fit for both of these guys and I think they may both be back playing under contracts that are pretty reasonable.

 
As a Santonio dynasty owner, I hope they let him walk. The Jets are solid and up and coming, but to me they are always going to be run game oriented which will limit Santonio's upside. I salivate at the thought of Santonio in an offense like New England's.
Me too - there are a lot of places I'd prefer for Holmes to go, before seeing him re-up with the Jets. I just don't see Sanchez and that offense ever having/making a top echelon receiver...
 
I would like to see Holmes as a true # 1 WR on a team before I'm ready to say how much better than Edwards he is. Edwards is a very good WR and he has a huge season as a true # 1 on his resume. Both players stats will suffer as long as they play with Sanchez but I do think some of you are writing Edwards off like he is just some scrub. I would like to see Edwards play in a offense that has a Qb that can actually get him the ball. I don't mean to knock Sanchez but he is still in game manager mode and for good reason.

 
Braylon made some huge plays this year and really beat the "hands of stone" moniker. He's big, strong and runs good routes...

Santonio is a big play guy. When you need the tough catch, he usually makes it. Deceptively fast...usually gets open.

This is all strictly from a football perspective...

But if I were the Jets, I would try everything within reason to sign both of them.

Sanchez, who I was really down on in the beginning of the season but impressed the hell outta me in the playoffs, needs a full compliment of receivers and these two are better than most.

Plus, for me, it's "the enemy of my enemy is my ally". If those 2 stay on the Jets, they're not on the Pats = a good thing.

 
I could really see a scenario where both these guys stay with the Jets...I think the biggest reason is they may have more value to the Jets than to anyone else in the NFL. Both of these guys have some attitude and in Holmes case comes with some baggage. The Jets are turning into the old Raiders and I think they are very comfortable with "strong personalties" and have a Coach who can handle attitude. Besides that I don't think either of these guys get a big-time offer on the open-market. Neither of these guys have really put up big numbers in their career. While there's no question that Holmes has great physical skills and has some beyond clutch plays on his resume he's almost like a better, more skilled Deion Branch (Branch pre-Seattle) when you look at the numbers...he only has one year with more than 55 receptions, one year with more than 950 yards and one year with more than 6 TDs...add that with the fact he's got a few strikes against him and he may not get the big offer that many think he will get (although like Branch he may get it because it only takes one team). As for Edwards his six year average (and this includes that monster year) is 54-857-6.5...no doubt he's never been in a wide-open offense but I just don't see him getting an offer that blows away what the Jets are willing to give if Rex does like him as much as Jets fans say he does.

I'm not knocking these guys because they are both very productive (and as a Pats fan I would love to see Holmes elsewhere)...I just don't think they are going to get an offer that the Jets can't match if they want to keep them...at the end-of-the-day I think the Jets and Rex are the best fit for both of these guys and I think they may both be back playing under contracts that are pretty reasonable.
Your stat averages aren't a very compelling argument to me as your ignoring that he only played 12 games this year and was worked in slowly after his 4 week suspension. Pro-rate out his totals to 16 games and he would have beat the benchmarks you listed despite switching teams. Add in his 3 postseason games and his stat line is 61 for 873 yards & 8 TD's in 15 games.

 
I could really see a scenario where both these guys stay with the Jets...I think the biggest reason is they may have more value to the Jets than to anyone else in the NFL. Both of these guys have some attitude and in Holmes case comes with some baggage. The Jets are turning into the old Raiders and I think they are very comfortable with "strong personalties" and have a Coach who can handle attitude. Besides that I don't think either of these guys get a big-time offer on the open-market. Neither of these guys have really put up big numbers in their career. While there's no question that Holmes has great physical skills and has some beyond clutch plays on his resume he's almost like a better, more skilled Deion Branch (Branch pre-Seattle) when you look at the numbers...he only has one year with more than 55 receptions, one year with more than 950 yards and one year with more than 6 TDs...add that with the fact he's got a few strikes against him and he may not get the big offer that many think he will get (although like Branch he may get it because it only takes one team). As for Edwards his six year average (and this includes that monster year) is 54-857-6.5...no doubt he's never been in a wide-open offense but I just don't see him getting an offer that blows away what the Jets are willing to give if Rex does like him as much as Jets fans say he does.

I'm not knocking these guys because they are both very productive (and as a Pats fan I would love to see Holmes elsewhere)...I just don't think they are going to get an offer that the Jets can't match if they want to keep them...at the end-of-the-day I think the Jets and Rex are the best fit for both of these guys and I think they may both be back playing under contracts that are pretty reasonable.
Your stat averages aren't a very compelling argument to me as your ignoring that he only played 12 games this year and was worked in slowly after his 4 week suspension. Pro-rate out his totals to 16 games and he would have beat the benchmarks you listed despite switching teams. Add in his 3 postseason games and his stat line is 61 for 873 yards & 8 TD's in 15 games.
1) The reason he did not play was a suspension...not a an injury...I don't think that's something that makes a team feel all warm and fuzzy.2) Even if you want to add those stats it really doesn't give his overall numbers too much of a boost.

I'm not saying the guy doesn't have a ton of talent...he does...there's not a team in the NFL he wouldn't help...my point is that when a team is looking at throwing around big money they maybe hesitant when they take a real close look at Holmes overall career (both on and off the field)...he will get offers...the question is will he get one that isn't in the Jets ballpark (assuming they want to keep him)...

 
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Well I hope I don't have to franchise tag Santonio HOlmes. I need him to resign by March 1st. Come on Jets. You wouldn't even have gone to the playoffs if it wasn't for Santonio and his 4 clutch games.

 
There will probably be a higher cap offering them more money if they wanted here.

I'm not a Braylon fan. I'll give in that he has a good game or makes a nice catch every now and then, but I can't shake that he was a former #1. Due to those, I've always felt he was overpaid.

Holmes is always hyped and going to make a truckload of $.

The Jets didn't draft these guys and aren't married to them. How much will a guy like James Jones or Steve Smith (FA right?) ask for?

I would totally understand them re-signing the two. I think the Jets need to try oh so hard to keep this team intact and just move forward a smidge. I don't think these two are so vital they're irreplaceable though. With Cotch and Keller(in the slot), they probably only really need Santonio. I never understood why Cotchery fell out of favor.

 
There will probably be a higher cap offering them more money if they wanted here.I'm not a Braylon fan. I'll give in that he has a good game or makes a nice catch every now and then, but I can't shake that he was a former #1. Due to those, I've always felt he was overpaid.Holmes is always hyped and going to make a truckload of $.The Jets didn't draft these guys and aren't married to them. How much will a guy like James Jones or Steve Smith (FA right?) ask for? I would totally understand them re-signing the two. I think the Jets need to try oh so hard to keep this team intact and just move forward a smidge. I don't think these two are so vital they're irreplaceable though. With Cotch and Keller(in the slot), they probably only really need Santonio. I never understood why Cotchery fell out of favor.
It's not that Cotch fell out of favor as much as he just has a limited skill set. He's a good possession guy but he lacks true explosiveness. With Braylon and Santonio out there defenses have to account for two very dangerous weapons and it helps open up the running game (and Edwards is a terrific run blocker as well). Defenses don't really respect Cotchery as much. He's a good player and if one of Holmes or Edwards leaves he could step right back into the #2 role and put up 800-900 yds or so.
 
My issue is this. I traded Mike Thomas of the Jags and Michael Griffin DB of the Titans for

Santonio Holmes and a 2nd Rnd pick.

I did that with the hope that he would get resigned before March 1st. If he doesn't the he becomes a FA in our 32 team dynasty league. And I have to franchise tag him. Which means I lose my 1st and 3rd Rnd Picks in the FA draft we have in this league. I have like pick 16 out of 32 teams. So the likeihood he makes it to me at that pick is very unlikely. So I will have to Franchise Tag him and lose those picks in the 1st and 3rd rnd. Oh well thas the gamble I am taking.

Thanks,

 
There will probably be a higher cap offering them more money if they wanted here.I'm not a Braylon fan. I'll give in that he has a good game or makes a nice catch every now and then, but I can't shake that he was a former #1. Due to those, I've always felt he was overpaid.Holmes is always hyped and going to make a truckload of $.The Jets didn't draft these guys and aren't married to them. How much will a guy like James Jones or Steve Smith (FA right?) ask for? I would totally understand them re-signing the two. I think the Jets need to try oh so hard to keep this team intact and just move forward a smidge. I don't think these two are so vital they're irreplaceable though. With Cotch and Keller(in the slot), they probably only really need Santonio. I never understood why Cotchery fell out of favor.
It's not that Cotch fell out of favor as much as he just has a limited skill set. He's a good possession guy but he lacks true explosiveness. With Braylon and Santonio out there defenses have to account for two very dangerous weapons and it helps open up the running game (and Edwards is a terrific run blocker as well). Defenses don't really respect Cotchery as much. He's a good player and if one of Holmes or Edwards leaves he could step right back into the #2 role and put up 800-900 yds or so.
Cotchery dropped A LOT of balls this year. He became - especially for him - weirdly unreliable and inconsistent. He got better as the year progressed but when Edwards is catching so many of his targets and Holmes is such a game changer when he makes a catch - Cotch just saw his targets go down.
 
I think a lot will depend on whether or not Edwards gets suspended by the league for his pending DUI charge. If he's out 4 games next year, it would be a very tough call for the Jets to re-sign him if Holmes leaves. They'd be in a tough spot for 1/4 of the season.

 
Get off the "cement hands Edwards" critisisms. Depending on the source, he had either ONE or TWO drops all year in 2010. He was in fact, the most sure handed reciever on the entire team. Holmes, Cotchery and Keller had quite a few drops this year, but Edwards was more than solid, he was exceptional.

I have a different opinion than most. I think the Jets will let both of them test the market. Holmes is one strike away from a one year suspension, and he obviously didn't learn anything after he got caught the first time. Even if Edwards gets four games, he carries less risk than Holmes in the long term. This is about long terms deals.

I think both WR's will be surprised at the offers they might get. If the Jets sign them now, they will have to pay top dollar. They may find few takers in the open market due to the risk they carry. I think this approach is the only one that might result in both of them signing with the Jets, which I still beleive is highly unlikely. I think the offers both get will be far below what both think they should get, deserve to get. I see the Jets FO rolling the dice this way as their best chance to retain them.

I believe the Jets could still tag Holmes for a year, while Edwards is unrestricted. Holmes is the better WR, but Edwards is still a bona fide low end #1.

I doubt Brad Smith gets re-signed, so the Jets would be on thin ice at WR if this does not play out the way they would like it to. So much depends on the CBA as well...

 

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