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SANTONIO HOLMES (1 Viewer)

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doomsdaydoc

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it looks like he is never getting open and does not fight for the ball when it is thrown to him. Did we all overrate this guy or is there something I am missing here?

 
doomsdaydoc said:
it looks like he is never getting open and does not fight for the ball when it is thrown to him. Did we all overrate this guy or is there something I am missing here?
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Umm, are you aware of the some of the key (side) effects of marijuana usage? Start there and work your way down.
 
Hue G said:
doomsdaydoc said:
it looks like he is never getting open and does not fight for the ball when it is thrown to him. Did we all overrate this guy or is there something I am missing here?
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Too much Smokey McPot
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You beat me to it! Seriously, smoking the tobaccy is certainly kind of fun, but when you're job involves being the sharpest knife in any given drawer - at least during the SEASON, it isn't gonna help you be that guy.Santonio needs to get his head screwed on straight. Smoking is for AFTER the career ends, not while it's in progress and certainly not in-season.
 
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Steeler passing game finally gets a good matchup this week. Maybe we will see a little breakthrough

 
1. Big Ben hasn't had the time to throw down field like he did last year. 2. Hines Ward has been healthy all year and he has been the #1 target.

I'm done with Holmes, he will sit on my bench for the rest of the year.

 
Holmes and Ben have been on different pages for the most of the season. I think there has been a cumulative affect on Ben not practicing during the week and Holmes' week dismissal for smoking pot.

 
Along with not playing that well, he's still getting doubled over the top and Big Ben's arm looks weak on his deeper patterns. Wards patterns over the middle are much easier for Ben right now, compared to Holmes deep outs and bombs.

 
Godsbrother said:
Holmes and Ben have been on different pages for the most of the season. I think there has been a cumulative affect on Ben not practicing during the week and Holmes' week dismissal for smoking pot.
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I agree with this. I think you guys would be absolutely amazed at who smokes pot whether it's the NFL or NBA and many of the player's performance is still at a high level......no pun intended.What's going on with Holmes has to do with the above more than anything.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Godsbrother said:
Holmes and Ben have been on different pages for the most of the season. I think there has been a cumulative affect on Ben not practicing during the week and Holmes' week dismissal for smoking pot.
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I agree with this. I think you guys would be absolutely amazed at who smokes pot whether it's the NFL or NBA and many of the player's performance is still at a high level......no pun intended.What's going on with Holmes has to do with the above more than anything.
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Actually as mentioned before I think it has more to do with Big Ben's lack of time in the pocket, Holmes is their deep threat reciever and Big Ben isn't getting enough time for him to actually get deep, the Steelers pass blocking has been atrocious the few times i've watched them play!
 
He was the most over-rated player going into drafts this year, especially in dynasty leagues. He was going anywhere from 3rd to 5th round in dynasties....what a joke. Never understood the hype here.

 
He's actually a very, very good WR. Obviously has some off the field maturity issues, but is very talented.

The OL and Ben's shoulder injury have really killed his value.

On Ben's first INT versus the Colts, if he gets it out on time with some zip Holmes goes 82 yards to the house. Hypothetical I know, but Holmes had his man beat for the score.

Ben has been battered to the point his confidence and health are shot.

I'd give great odds he needed multiple injections to wobble the ball out of the pocket the way he did.

Just doesn't add up to much production from the downfield threat who draws the oppositions #1 cover corner.

 
Sweetness_34 said:
He was the most over-rated player going into drafts this year, especially in dynasty leagues. He was going anywhere from 3rd to 5th round in dynasties....what a joke. Never understood the hype here.
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totally agree, the dynasty hype was was a total mistake imo, people will still come up with stuff why he should be or will be really good.
 
If you guys think that the fact that Holmes smokes pot is affecting his play your all out of your minds.

The fact that Big Ben is struggling and Ward is healthy and back in the spotlight are the reasons for Holmes demise.

 
andrew11 said:
If you guys think that the fact that Holmes smokes pot is affecting his play your all out of your minds.The fact that Big Ben is struggling and Ward is healthy and back in the spotlight are the reasons for Holmes demise.
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Your all wrong, The reason he sucks is because he was my 3rd round pick in re-draft. I never should have drafted him so HIGH.
 
The_U said:
Hue G said:
doomsdaydoc said:
it looks like he is never getting open and does not fight for the ball when it is thrown to him. Did we all overrate this guy or is there something I am missing here?
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Too much Smokey McPot
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You beat me to it! Seriously, smoking the tobaccy is certainly kind of fun, but when you're job involves being the sharpest knife in any given drawer - at least during the SEASON, it isn't gonna help you be that guy.Santonio needs to get his head screwed on straight. Smoking is for AFTER the career ends, not while it's in progress and certainly not in-season.
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The majority of these guys smoke pot. I personally know of one long time veteran still playing at a high level that smokes every day.
 
mozzy84 said:
Sweetness_34 said:
He was the most over-rated player going into drafts this year, especially in dynasty leagues. He was going anywhere from 3rd to 5th round in dynasties....what a joke. Never understood the hype here.
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totally agree, the dynasty hype was was a total mistake imo, people will still come up with stuff why he should be or will be really good.
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Probably because he is a pretty talented guy. Great speed, good hands, good situation. The hype was definitely justified
 
RBM said:
mozzy84 said:
Sweetness_34 said:
He was the most over-rated player going into drafts this year, especially in dynasty leagues. He was going anywhere from 3rd to 5th round in dynasties....what a joke. Never understood the hype here.
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totally agree, the dynasty hype was was a total mistake imo, people will still come up with stuff why he should be or will be really good.
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Probably because he is a pretty talented guy. Great speed, good hands, good situation. The hype was definitely justified
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Amazing how hindsight always comes out 20/20. He was not overrated in the pre-season. He was ranked just as he should have been. He hasn't panned out for a few different reasons, but please don't pretend like anyone knew this going in.
 
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Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
The_U said:
doomsdaydoc said:
it looks like he is never getting open and does not fight for the ball when it is thrown to him. Did we all overrate this guy or is there something I am missing here?
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Umm, are you aware of the some of the key (side) effects of marijuana usage? Start there and work your way down.
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Did he start smoking this year or something? How do you know he didn't smoke more last year?
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A friend of mine went to a few parties Santonio attended back in college, she said she never saw him without a bowl in his hand.
 
He's been a disappointment, but it may be a mistake to sit him this week.

SD is putrid against the pass. This may be a "get right" game for Big Ben and Holmes. Look for at least one big play from the duo.

 
MAC_32 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
The_U said:
doomsdaydoc said:
it looks like he is never getting open and does not fight for the ball when it is thrown to him. Did we all overrate this guy or is there something I am missing here?
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Umm, are you aware of the some of the key (side) effects of marijuana usage? Start there and work your way down.
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Did he start smoking this year or something? How do you know he didn't smoke more last year?
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A friend of mine went to a few parties Santonio attended back in college, she said she never saw him without a bowl in his hand.
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odd, strikes me as more of a roll it up guy rather than a pack it in guy
 
War Eagle said:
He's been a disappointment, but it may be a mistake to sit him this week.SD is putrid against the pass. This may be a "get right" game for Big Ben and Holmes. Look for at least one big play from the duo.
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Also, keep in mind that he was targeted 9 times last week. 2 of those passes were picked.
 
Looking at him in the preseason, I was unsure why people had him ranked so high. He didn't get a lot of targets or receptions, but everyone made the YPC argument to take him earlier than they should. He is a 60 catch guy. He should be ranked accordingly. He is playing a little below his true value b/c of ben's arm and Nate Washington stealing his long bombs.

 
Well someone just got fed up with him and dropped him for Ricky Williams. I picked him up as I needed a 4th WR after a 3-2 trade I just made.

My league rewards pts for kckoff/punt returns so this guy still has some good value left in him.

 
War Eagle said:
He's been a disappointment, but it may be a mistake to sit him this week.SD is putrid against the pass. This may be a "get right" game for Big Ben and Holmes. Look for at least one big play from the duo.
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That was my thought as well... I already benched Cotch, and have a remaining choice of VJax or Holmes (my opponent is starting Rivers against me). I plan to use Holmes for the first time in over a month; SD secondary, as noted, is suspect, PLUS, Ben actually had a full week of practice for once--I'm thinking that MAY help w/ the timing issues between Holmes & Ben. To me, Holmes has upside this week, and I am going for the homerun, even though VJax is probably the safer play. I think Pitt will be in Rivers' face all day, & he will be utilizing Gates & LT in the short passing game, whereas SD has little pass rush unless they blitz, so Ben may actually have time to make plays downfield to Holmes.
 
I made a mistake drafting him, but luckily only had to play him a few times during bye weeks and injuries. Yeah, this week sets up nice, but I'm not sold after watching him not even fight for passes last week. If anything, it makes me think that Washington will do well since he is catch all the deep passes.

Maybe he has a great game, but I don't even consider playing him anymore. I might as well dump him since he's buried on my bench.

 
I'm starting him this week over Coles and Owen Daniels.

Holmes has been my biggest mistake of this year, in two leagues, but I'm hoping he'll pay a little dividend this weekend. Couldn't do much worse than Coles did Thursday (non-ppr), so I should be ok either way.

Long story short, there are still 7 games for this guy to justify those of us who took him too high.

 
cubbie5150 said:
War Eagle said:
He's been a disappointment, but it may be a mistake to sit him this week.SD is putrid against the pass. This may be a "get right" game for Big Ben and Holmes. Look for at least one big play from the duo.
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That was my thought as well... I already benched Cotch, and have a remaining choice of VJax or Holmes (my opponent is starting Rivers against me). I plan to use Holmes for the first time in over a month; SD secondary, as noted, is suspect, PLUS, Ben actually had a full week of practice for once--I'm thinking that MAY help w/ the timing issues between Holmes & Ben. To me, Holmes has upside this week, and I am going for the homerun, even though VJax is probably the safer play. I think Pitt will be in Rivers' face all day, & he will be utilizing Gates & LT in the short passing game, whereas SD has little pass rush unless they blitz, so Ben may actually have time to make plays downfield to Holmes.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I also have Jackson and Holmes and I'm starting Holmes this week. FBG projections have them just about dead even, but I'm giving the nod to Holmes because he's playing at home and the Chargers pass D is horrid. I figure if he can't break out this week against the Chargers, he won't break out this season.Lets keep our fingers crossed....
 
i could have swore I saw a thread around here in the preseason where this board was comparing him to Calvin Johnson. I bought into it in one league, luckily the rest of my draft went well

 
Think I may have to flip a coin because I cant decide whether to start this guy or Mark Bradley.

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I'm playing the matchup this week. Starting Holmes over Calvin Johnson, the Chargers pass D is so bad that you got to figure this is Holmes' best chance.

 
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