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Right, because they couldn't keep pace when their defense finally let them down a bit and couldn't come back. So what do you think they're going to try and improve this season? Their first-ranked defense, their first-ranked running game, or their 31st-ranked passing game?This isn't complicated stuff folks.
Not necessarily. I'm sure they'll try to get better at it, but they're not going to forget who they are. I hate to do it, but drawing from Hard Knocks, you can tell Rex Ryan feels VERY strongly about the team knowing who they are and sticking to that identity: playing great defense and running the ball up your ###.
 
Something to consider in all of this is the huge variance in TDs per player from year to year. If Holmes can come up with 5 TDs in the games that he plays, he could become a low-end #2. See below:

ASSUMES FULL SEASON OF PLAY

Assuming 25% growth from Sanchez in passing yards, and 30% contribution from Holmes:

893 yards - 89 points

6 TDS - 36 points

125 points - WR26

Assuming 40% growth from Sanchez in passing yards, and 30% contribution from Holmes:

1000 yards - 100 points

6 TDs - 36 points

136 points - WR21

The top 10 FF WRs average 37% of their team's passing TD production, so 6 TDs would project Sanchez at 17 TDs. Entirely possible. Of course, if Holmes continues to produce TDs at his current contribution rate of 18%, then Sanchez would need 33 TDs. Not likely. Split the difference and use 28%? Sanchez needs 22 TDs.

This is all just to break into WR2 territory, not firmly entrench. So...if you believe Sanchez can increase his passing yards by 40%, and you believe he can throw 22 TDs, then you believe Holmes has a chance. Otherwise, probably better not to get your hopes up.

 
I think folks are looking at Pittsburgh and drawing some faulty conclusions. The passes in Pittsburgh were split pretty evenly between 2 guys, and the other guy happens to be Hines Ward. Though the fantasy community tends to discount him a bit there is a little about Hines Ward that need to be kept in mind:

* 4× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

* 3× 2nd Team All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004)

* 2× Super Bowl Champion (XL, XLIII)

* Super Bowl XL MVP

* 2003 Steelers MVP

* 2× Steelers co-MVP (2002, 2005)

* Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs, plus all single season records as well

Dude has nearly 11,000 career yards.

The point is that Hines Ward has always been at least a 1A vs 1B to Holmes, if not the out and out #1 over Holmes' #2. In New York, Holmes will be the best receiver they have and it won't be close. The numbers are a little mis-leading in this case.

Also, folks seem to think the system won't produce a decent fantasy receiver, but Cotchery has produced some decent numbers in the past and I feel that Holmes is a far better receiver capable of putting up far better numbers.

 
WR17-20.Probably right there with guys like Nicks, Bowe, MSW but probably finishing WR20-22 with Sanchez throwing the ball.He looked very good in preseason and has Henry Ellard coaching him this year.

I think Holmes becomes an instant WR2 upon return.
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So where do you think he would be ranked right now if he wan't suspended? Somewhere in the 13-16, 17-20, or 21-24 range?
 
I think folks are looking at Pittsburgh and drawing some faulty conclusions. The passes in Pittsburgh were split pretty evenly between 2 guys, and the other guy happens to be Hines Ward. Though the fantasy community tends to discount him a bit there is a little about Hines Ward that need to be kept in mind: * 4× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) * 3× 2nd Team All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) * 2× Super Bowl Champion (XL, XLIII) * Super Bowl XL MVP * 2003 Steelers MVP * 2× Steelers co-MVP (2002, 2005) * Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs, plus all single season records as wellDude has nearly 11,000 career yards.The point is that Hines Ward has always been at least a 1A vs 1B to Holmes, if not the out and out #1 over Holmes' #2. In New York, Holmes will be the best receiver they have and it won't be close. The numbers are a little mis-leading in this case.Also, folks seem to think the system won't produce a decent fantasy receiver, but Cotchery has produced some decent numbers in the past and I feel that Holmes is a far better receiver capable of putting up far better numbers.
No question that Ward is/was the 1a in Pittsburgh. He and Santonio finished with the same amount of FPTS, with Ward carrying more TDs and receptions. However, I don't know that it means much in this particular case. Braylon Dropwards finished the year with 28% of the Jets receiving production, while Cotchery accounted for 34%. Same as Andre Johnson. That translated to 680 & 821 yards respectively. If Holmes were to come in and take over that 34% that Cotchery had, and Cotchery or Edwards were to split the remaining production, you would still need Sanchez to raise his game up significantly for Holmes to see enough of an uptick to make him a WR2. I don't question Holmes' talent. Not by any means. But to think that he'll produce much in that "run it right up their ###" system of Rex's seems unreasonable to me. Certainly open to it, but don't see it at this point...and haven't seen any data that suggests that he can be more than a solid WR3.Too much is tied to an inexperienced QB and a run-heavy scheme for it to happen. Would love to read thoughts to the contrary as I do own him.
 
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I think folks are looking at Pittsburgh and drawing some faulty conclusions. The passes in Pittsburgh were split pretty evenly between 2 guys, and the other guy happens to be Hines Ward. Though the fantasy community tends to discount him a bit there is a little about Hines Ward that need to be kept in mind: * 4× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) * 3× 2nd Team All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) * 2× Super Bowl Champion (XL, XLIII) * Super Bowl XL MVP * 2003 Steelers MVP * 2× Steelers co-MVP (2002, 2005) * Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs, plus all single season records as wellDude has nearly 11,000 career yards.The point is that Hines Ward has always been at least a 1A vs 1B to Holmes, if not the out and out #1 over Holmes' #2. In New York, Holmes will be the best receiver they have and it won't be close. The numbers are a little mis-leading in this case.Also, folks seem to think the system won't produce a decent fantasy receiver, but Cotchery has produced some decent numbers in the past and I feel that Holmes is a far better receiver capable of putting up far better numbers.
No question that Ward is/was the 1a in Pittsburgh. He and Santonio finished with the same amount of FPTS, with Ward carrying more TDs and receptions. However, I don't know that it means much in this particular case. Braylon Dropwards finished the year with 28% of the Jets receiving production, while Cotchery accounted for 34%. Same as Andre Johnson. That translated to 680 & 821 yards respectively. If Holmes were to come in and take over that 34% that Cotchery had, and Cotchery or Edwards were to split the remaining production, you would still need Sanchez to raise his game up significantly for Holmes to see enough of an uptick to make him a WR2. I don't question Holmes' talent. Not by any means. But to think that he'll produce much in that "run it right up their ###" system of Rex's seems unreasonable to me. Certainly open to it, but don't see it at this point...and haven't seen any data that suggests that he can be more than a solid WR3.Too much is tied to an inexperienced QB and a run-heavy scheme for it to happen. Would love to read thoughts to the contrary as I do own him.
With a more optimistic look at things you can take the Ravens who were more of a run orientated team in Flacco's rookie year and relied on their defense much like the Jets formula with Sanchez in his rookie year. Flacco had 428 pass attempts in his rookie year and in his sophmore year they upped that total to 499 attempts.... He also went from 14 td's his rookie season to 21 in his sophmore year.Sanchez and the Jets will be a lot more balanced than a year ago..... .They are obviously still going to rely on the run first, but I think it is very hard to make accurate projections for a QB based too much on a rookie year.
 
I think folks are looking at Pittsburgh and drawing some faulty conclusions. The passes in Pittsburgh were split pretty evenly between 2 guys, and the other guy happens to be Hines Ward. Though the fantasy community tends to discount him a bit there is a little about Hines Ward that need to be kept in mind: * 4× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) * 3× 2nd Team All-Pro selection (2002, 2003, 2004) * 2× Super Bowl Champion (XL, XLIII) * Super Bowl XL MVP * 2003 Steelers MVP * 2× Steelers co-MVP (2002, 2005) * Steelers Career Records for Receptions, Receiving Yards, & Receiving TDs, plus all single season records as wellDude has nearly 11,000 career yards.The point is that Hines Ward has always been at least a 1A vs 1B to Holmes, if not the out and out #1 over Holmes' #2. In New York, Holmes will be the best receiver they have and it won't be close. The numbers are a little mis-leading in this case.Also, folks seem to think the system won't produce a decent fantasy receiver, but Cotchery has produced some decent numbers in the past and I feel that Holmes is a far better receiver capable of putting up far better numbers.
No question that Ward is/was the 1a in Pittsburgh. He and Santonio finished with the same amount of FPTS, with Ward carrying more TDs and receptions. However, I don't know that it means much in this particular case. Braylon Dropwards finished the year with 28% of the Jets receiving production, while Cotchery accounted for 34%. Same as Andre Johnson. That translated to 680 & 821 yards respectively. If Holmes were to come in and take over that 34% that Cotchery had, and Cotchery or Edwards were to split the remaining production, you would still need Sanchez to raise his game up significantly for Holmes to see enough of an uptick to make him a WR2. I don't question Holmes' talent. Not by any means. But to think that he'll produce much in that "run it right up their ###" system of Rex's seems unreasonable to me. Certainly open to it, but don't see it at this point...and haven't seen any data that suggests that he can be more than a solid WR3.Too much is tied to an inexperienced QB and a run-heavy scheme for it to happen. Would love to read thoughts to the contrary as I do own him.
With a more optimistic look at things you can take the Ravens who were more of a run orientated team in Flacco's rookie year and relied on their defense much like the Jets formula with Sanchez in his rookie year. Flacco had 428 pass attempts in his rookie year and in his sophmore year they upped that total to 499 attempts.... He also went from 14 td's his rookie season to 21 in his sophmore year.Sanchez and the Jets will be a lot more balanced than a year ago..... .They are obviously still going to rely on the run first, but I think it is very hard to make accurate projections for a QB based too much on a rookie year.
Sure, I'll take that. Looking at Mason, he was WR17 with 1028/7. Good example. Thanks.Looking at it deeper, the Ravens went from a 42%/58% pass/rush blend in 2008 to 52%/48% in 2009. They moved the needle 10%.If the Jets were to do the same, they would go from 39%/61% to 49%/51%. With the same amount of plays as last year assumed, that increases Sanchez's attempts to 491 attempts.491 attempts @ Sanchez's current Y/A of 6.7 = 3,289 yards31% of 3,289 = 1019 yards for Holmes1019 = 102 FPTSHe would therefore need between 4-5 TDs to make it to WR24, if we assume the Jets take the same path as the Ravens.
 
30% contribution from Holmes:
Cotchery had the highest percentage of catches on the Jets last year with 27%. Hard to see Holmes getting 30% while splitting targets with Cotchery, Edwards and Keller.
 
30% contribution from Holmes:
Cotchery had the highest percentage of catches on the Jets last year with 27%. Hard to see Holmes getting 30% while splitting targets with Cotchery, Edwards and Keller.
It's obviously all prognostication, but I was using yards over receptions for analysis. Cotchery had 34% of the Jets receiving yards.
 

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