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Schaub/Rosenfels Combo the rest of the way (1 Viewer)
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brakeyawself
Footballguy
THink it will be a good year for Rosenfels. Schaubs had a quite shaky start. I think Rosenfels will be better in hte offense, from last year.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I expect Matt Schaub to be given very little time to right the ship. When I talked to Texans OC Kyle Shanahan I asked him about the difference between the two. He was raving about how it was great to have 2 good QBs, and that both were very similar passers.
Schaub can run the offense better, when everything goes as planned. Rosenfels likes to take more chances, and can move around the pocket to keep a play alive. He will force the ball when he doesn't need to, but he is not a statue back there and is always looking to make a play downfield.
We'll see if Matt can hold up to the rush and not crumble under pressure. I think Schaub is a good QB, but on this offense Sage is a better fit.
Schaub can run the offense better, when everything goes as planned. Rosenfels likes to take more chances, and can move around the pocket to keep a play alive. He will force the ball when he doesn't need to, but he is not a statue back there and is always looking to make a play downfield.
We'll see if Matt can hold up to the rush and not crumble under pressure. I think Schaub is a good QB, but on this offense Sage is a better fit.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
I'm expecting Rosenfels to start at some point.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I'm in the minority but I think Schaub starts all 16 games, he'll be fine (non-Schaub owner).
@ Tenn. won't be a picnic this week but after that the schedule opens up beautifully all the way to week 10's postponed matchup with the Ravens.
@ Tenn. won't be a picnic this week but after that the schedule opens up beautifully all the way to week 10's postponed matchup with the Ravens.
Schaub will be the starter. I don't know where the Rosenfels love is coming from. Schaub is younger and better and the Texans have much more invested in him.
330-520 3700 yards, 21 td, 18 int is my expectation for Schaub with 80 rushing yards and 2 tds.
330-520 3700 yards, 21 td, 18 int is my expectation for Schaub with 80 rushing yards and 2 tds.
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Where is your evidence that Schaub is better? Rosenfels had better stats last season and has a better career passer rating.It doesn't matter how much you've invested into a player. You play the best players, period. The Cardinals have invested a lot into Matt Leinart but they're not starting him ahead of a guy playing like a Pro Bowler.
Restricted
Footballguy
If Schaub can make it to week 6, he has Miami, Detroit and Cinn and all will be well in Houston Land.
The opponent this week seems to stir up this talk. The Titans knocked Schaub out of each matchup last year and IIRC in the first quarter too. The Titans D has been very good and Rosenfels came in and lit them up one week last year, staging an exciting comeback attempt. There's a whole exciting spark thing going on.IMO Rosenfels' spark is the whole key like a dominant relief pitcher in baseball. As a starter, he doesn't have it as he's the expected starter.
firecrackerfreakshow
Footballguy
Homer here...
Schaub when protected is fine, but tends to force things when problems arise. he is much better just throwing to catchup, big reason for the junk scores...
Rosenfels is not the answer but will do well if needed, for a big measurably Schaub is he does seem a tad frail
Schaub when protected is fine, but tends to force things when problems arise. he is much better just throwing to catchup, big reason for the junk scores...
Rosenfels is not the answer but will do well if needed, for a big measurably Schaub is he does seem a tad frail
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
JKL
Footballguy
I'll take that 2 cents. Schaub is a great buy low right now. Relatively tough opening schedule against pass defenses with Pit, Bal and Ten to start, then it opens up after this week. What ship is he righting anyway? The one game against a top defense? I do hope that the Texans decide to immediately bench and jettison a 27 year old who completed over 65% of his passes and threw for over 7.7 yards per attempt in his first go around at age 26, in favor of the next Cody Carlson at age 29, who comes off the bench and plays reasonably well in an injury substitute role and throws more tds but also a higher interception total.I expect Matt Schaub to be given very little time to right the ship. When I talked to Texans OC Kyle Shanahan I asked him about the difference between the two. He was raving about how it was great to have 2 good QBs, and that both were very similar passers.
Schaub can run the offense better, when everything goes as planned. Rosenfels likes to take more chances, and can move around the pocket to keep a play alive. He will force the ball when he doesn't need to, but he is not a statue back there and is always looking to make a play downfield.
We'll see if Matt can hold up to the rush and not crumble under pressure. I think Schaub is a good QB, but on this offense Sage is a better fit.
Send him to KC forthwith please.
I think the Texans know who projects as the better long term starter, and I dont think anything in your comments suggests the Texans are actually considering a quick hook.
JKL
Footballguy
Oh, see he's THE quarterback who struggles when things break down and his blocking struggles, but can play well his protection is good. I was trying to think of the name of that guy. I knew there was just one, but the names Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, and Kurt Warner kept coming to mind.FYI,
Schaub's yards per attempt in wins last year
vs KC -- 10.2 YPA
@CAR- 8.1 YPA
vs MIA- 8.6 YPA (no AJ)
vs NOR- 8.9 YPA
Clearly his numbers were inflated in junk time when losing.
Nate
Footballguy
Houston was good for 3751yds passing, 24 tds, 21 ints last season. Barring injury, or an epic turnaround of the running game, I expect those numbers to increase marginally. Schaub & Rosenfels combined to be 4 yards shy of a top 10 passing offense in 2007, and I expect they'll be around the same this year.
I get the Rosenfels love; as a Texan fan you couldn't ask for more from him last season. But I just can't see him seeing the field unless Schaub is unable to play. The team is fully invested in Schaub and Rosenfels tossed 12 of Houston's 21 interceptions in relief for Schaub.
I get the Rosenfels love; as a Texan fan you couldn't ask for more from him last season. But I just can't see him seeing the field unless Schaub is unable to play. The team is fully invested in Schaub and Rosenfels tossed 12 of Houston's 21 interceptions in relief for Schaub.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Easy there JKL. this is the book on Schaub, and it has been since his days at Virginia.I first noted his inability to make plays under pressure in a game against Wisconsin (2001) where the Badger defense just kept forcing him into bad decisions with the football. During the rest of his career for the Cavaliers he was able to put up very good numbers - unless he was going up against a strong pass rush. This is how CSU (!!!) was able to beat Virginia with Schaub at the helm.JKL said::( Oh, see he's THE quarterback who struggles when things break down and his blocking struggles, but can play well his protection is good.Cecil Lammey said:firecrackerfreakshow said:
I was trying to think of the name of that guy. I knew there was just one, but the names Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, and Kurt Warner kept coming to mind.
Fast forward to the pros and what do we see??? Schaub still has a tendency to get happy feet when he feels pressure. Too often he will freeze up before he thinks to run. And when he does take off we see a QB that needs to work on ball security. Matt also gets dinged up quite a bit.
Compare that to Sage Rosenfels, who looked better last year for the Texans. yeah, Sage threw more picks - but he also made more plays behind the same line.
And what Kyle Shanahan raving about both QBs being equal tells me that Matt may not be the guy for very long if he doesn't improve.
Sure, every QB is going to struggle against a strong D, but you still have to stand in there and make plays. So far, Matt Schaub hasn't shown that ability enough.
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Footballguy
He also tossed 15 of Houston's 24 touchdown passes.
Nate
Footballguy
absolutely, and more importantly, went 4-1 to Schaub's 4-7. Like I said, as a Texan fan I can't ask for more. I'm not trying to argue who's performed better, I just don't think that a healthy Matt Schaub loses the starting job in just his 2nd season.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Another thing that's easily forgotten about last year when comparing Sage to Schaub is that in Schaub's 11 starts, he only played with Andre Johnson in 4 of them. A.J. was on the shelf for the other 7. And Johnson was healthy for all 5 of Sage's starts. Don't underestimate the impact of that.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Great point...
Was the point that I was going to make as well. Can't believe it took this long for such a smart group of people to bring up this most obvious point. Kevin Walter is alright, but he is no Andre johnson.Great point...
Furthermore if you break down the stats when AJ was healthy you get the following. Also I gave credit for the win/loss to whichever qb through the most passes that game.When AJ playsSchaub: 82-124 for 1035 yards, 8.3yd/att, 66% comp %, 7/3 td/int and 3-1 recordSage: 93-147 for 955 yards 6.5yd/att, 63% comp % 8/6 td/int and a 3-2 recordWhen AJ doesn't playschaub: 105-156 for 1,183 yrds 7.6yd/att, 67% comp % 2/6 td/int and a 1-3 recordSage: 61-93 for 729 yrds 7.8 yd/att, 65% comp % 7/6 td/int and a 1-2 record To me Schaub looks clearly better when AJ plays and they look about the same when he didnt with the slight advantage going to sage based on schaubs terrible td/int rate in those 4 games. Maybe that was schaub not playing as well when things aren't going as well and trying to force it as some have mentioned above, but to me Schaub seems to be the better player, younger, and has more upside. Wouldn't see why they would make a switch. But stranger things have happened and Sage would be better to make a switch to than someone like Frerotte. Sage just probably won't take advantage of AJ like Schaub does.
I like the posts where some backup is given..... Not just a blanket opinion presented as fact.
Big Score
Footballguy
Should I mark it down?
Touchy bunch this morning. Game 1 press conference
There are a couple of official Houston Texans threads from in-season, pre-season and off-season with some good information in them.
lolYeah, thats better. BUT, it is game week 3 and that was from week 1... Remember the Titans have knocked Schaub out of the game each of the last two times he has played them. I pick up Sage simply for this reason. Haynesworth, Ford, Kearse, and company bring the pain train. Chooo Chooo
lolYeah, thats better. BUT, it is game week 3 and that was from week 1... Remember the Titans have knocked Schaub out of the game each of the last two times he has played them. I pick up Sage simply for this reason. Haynesworth, Ford, Kearse, and company bring the pain train. Chooo Chooo
I think the Titans are going to wreck shop against the Houston O'line today. I'll be incouraged if Schaub can make it thru the game upright for the most part, but mostly I hope he can stay injury free. Here's to a good game.
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Footballguy
Is AJ playing today?
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Any news on this front?
The Titans D was outstanding in the 2nd half. Fisher adjusted and Kubiak ...well they just weren't good in the second half.(Guesses)Slaton had 105 yards first half and 10 in the second half. In the 2nd half, Schaub was sacked a couple times, fumbled, and threw two INTs-one for a TD. If that doesn't sum it up. IIRC They were also stopped on the one or two YL as well. Concern for their families well being and all, it's plenty understandable and excusable or reasonable or whatever the word is there but, I don't think this one's on Schaub. Maybe when the time came for the 2nd half, they just didn't have the stamina with their minds elsewhere. Could any coach have motivated a team in such a situation? Maybe not, even still I don't see Schaub getting the blame on this one.
Looks like as I stated earlier Schaub is clearly the better QB, especially when AJ plays.Is AJ playing today?
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
To Schaub or Sage's success? I disagree I think if you use this thread and others as a timeline for feelings on Schaub, you'd see they match Andre's success
