PREFACE...
from the sub-title, clearly bloom was talking about redraft... a lot of the points i made below pertain to dynasty, so skip if uninterested in that aspect...
The subject is still very interesting to redraft players.
leinart is consensus redraft ranked #25 at FBG, ahead of campbell, moore & orton, all who i would probably rather have... there are few starting QBs i wouldn't rather have in REDRAFT, and i would do my best to plan around taking him...
Agreed, I love Campbell as the sleeper of this group.______________________________________________________________________________
i have heard different reports, at different times... earlier, it sounded like neither was impressing... lately, i also had heard leinart was looking OK?
Isn't there always an early season report during OTA's when a national news sources is just itching to report some fluff piece about a favorite team or player? With no pads and 7-on-7 drills, these insights are to be interpreted at your own risk. The media needs to sell a story, the stories don't sell unless they paint a phoenix-rising-from-the-ashes type slant that is always popular in spring.
a few thoughts...
you ain't kiddin, a few thoughts...
i also have espn insider, and bloom paraphrased schefter nearly verbatim... as it pertained to anderson... he says "everything i keep hearing" is that anderson is impressing... that is a little ambiguous... is that multiple sources? what is the nature of the source? is it coming from a front office type... a coach... a scout... eyewitness from member of the press... other? no doubt he is one of the most well connected journalists on the general NFL beat, so it could be a high level source, but we don't know how high level...
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doubt that Shefter bothers to tweet the bad vibes unless he has heard from enough inside sources that Lienart is failing to progress. He also knows it's impossible to project positional outcomes till training camp. There must be some other information he can't publish like some groans and strained looks on Whisenhunt's face. Maybe some extra swear words and upset coaches. Nothing that Shefter can cite as a reference, but he sees in general.
schefter is a friend of the site (testimonial, knows cec, etc.), breaks as many stories as anybody (glazer also well connected), i have benefited at times from his information, and imo he generally does a great job... but like any person in his position, he gets some right and some wrong...
I trust Shef too. He is right many more times than wrong. If I was a betting man, I'd take any bet based on Shef's info.
i think it is important to make a distinction between the TYPES of news/stories he disseminates... if he says player X got cut 5 minutes ago... he is nails... imo, this was a LITTLE more speculative... for the record, nowhere in the blurb did he say ANYTHING about leinart's OTA performance directly... he just doesn't address it at all... going only by what he wrote (all i can go on here) he goes on to speculate that it wouldn't surprise him if anderson wins the job... he also states prior (in response to a question), that (paraphrasing) it may be an unwarranted assumption to assume anderson is the backup... again, that could be meant and interpreted in different ways... but if somebody had been in a cave and incommunicado for a few months and, upon surfacing, read nothing BUT this, it would be unfortunate if they weren't given the additional context that whisenhunt has gone on record that leinart is the starter (of course, he has said that before, so it would be understandble if schefter doesn't take such proclamations as set in concrete)... did the HC qualify it... i don't recall if he added FOR NOW... i think everybody realizes, if it gets ugly, he will get yanked long before the team goes 0-6 like the titans last year, and his career with the cards will be over...
It is a speculatory statement by Shef. You have to either dismiss it, and discount Shef's instincts or take Whisenhunt's declaration that Lienart is the starter at face value. I take the blurb to be a warning not to get all your eggs in the Lienart basket. But also, that this will be camp battle and anyone can emerge. Also, a high probability that either guy is going to be on a short leash.
as to leinart - i haven't seen any beer bong photos lately... clearly he had a problem with maturity, professionalism, attitude, work ethic, a gravely misplaced sense of priorities (rubbing elbows with the beautiful people) and mistaken sense of entitlement (obviously, whisenhunt didn't draft him, and didn't have ANYTHING vested in him)... but i have also heard reports that, based on recent behavior, he is thought to have come to the realization that he can't just skate by on reputation (the events of past few years must have made that abundantly clear to him, no matter how dense he is)... admittedly, it isn't to his credit that he needed to be taught this lesson, and was slow to realize it (if he has)... a parallel case may be VY, who looked good as a rookie (leinart had HIS moments also), regressed, had his character questioned, and was abandoned by many, fantasy football-wise... but, he reportedly is working harder, taking things more seriously, learned while he was on the bench, and took big steps towards football redemption last year... is there really much about their respective situations, BEFORE VY redeemed himself, that would have led us to project VY more favorably than leinart... even with VY's recent stumble, he is still worth a lot more than if somebody had dumped him after the 2008 season...
Both VY and Lienart have in common their immaturity. VY for still hanging out in strip clubs till 3 AM and punching fellow patrons. Lienart for prematurely declaring that he's gotten over his immature ways in little fluff pieces. If he truly has matured, he should just shut up and let the play do the talking.
what were circumstances of leinart losing his job... he did have a 3 INT game, but the decision could have been part of a broader context, in which it was the straw that broke the camel's back, compounded by work ethic issues (if sam bradford throws 3 INTs in a pre-season game, he isn't going to be exiled on the bench ((of course, his contract won't be as incentive-laden

)) - stafford, sanchez and freeman all had 5 INT games as rookies)... if he has turned that around, negative associations based on circumstances no longer as relavant could be misguided... imo, and as noted by several posters upthread, it is also important to note that there is a big difference between pulling leinart for a future HoFer, and derek anderson...
Bad games are expected for rookies, and any good HC will ride the young hand and the bumps in the road. They study the film, identify mistakes, and correct the mechanics or decision making. But when the next week the decisions made don't lead to another 5 Int game, but still the same fundamental errors are happening, that really makes HC mad. That's when high draft picks get pulled for journeymen like DA who at least follow the coaches script. Lienart has to prove he can be the lead dog.
as far as for fantasy purposes, what are you going to get for leinart?

yes, there is risk in holding him if he bombs, but how much? i can't imagine he would fetch much in most leagues... arguably, there is more risk in dumping him now... if you can't get anything of value for him, you could be missing out on greater upside if he does defy expectation of many (like VY), and emerges as the starter beyond 2010... even without boldin, he does have fitzgerald, and breaston/doucet have some upside... he can't do a lot of things warner could (MOST QBs can't... if all QBs were held to the draconian standard of being as good as warner, many of them would be getting benched), but he is more mobile... like with roethlisberger in PIT (not that he is THAT athletic, mobile or dangerous with his legs), they may tailor the passing offense to his strengths, and dial up more boots, rollouts, etc.
If you own Lienart, I think is a stash and hold guy
beanie wells IS an upgrade over whoever anderson had... but couldn't the same be said for leinart? who did he have, at different junctures of his development? a washed up james? hightower as a rookie in 2008? if we are being consistent, if beanie (and a more developed hightower)helps anderson, he helps leinart, too.
* leinart would seem to have at least one advantage... greater familiarity with system... it wouldn't be a big surprise of anderson progresses, and doesn't look as good at first, and begins to look better as he becomes more familiar with the system, builds timing and rapport... but if leinart maintains his hold, he will get the starter reps...
definitely not saying he can't lose his job, and if he has any more 3 INT games in the pre-season he might... but IF he is working harder, looking better, i think it would be a mistake to yank him if he has a bad series... once anderson is inserted, it would be hard to go back to leinart... and than what if anderson bombs (could happen)... what do they do then? it would not be a good situation for a team with playoff aspirations... maybe the leash by necessity must deservedly be shorter than what kerry collins had last year... but not so short that it strangles any confidence he may be gaining that could be turned into a long term positive for the team...
It looks like the pressure is on the incumbent. AZ is now used to being a playoff team. There will be a dropoff now with no Boldin and no Warner. Whichever QB is at the helm during the tough times is going to be scapegoated to some degree, fair or not.
** don't mean to come off as a leinart apologist, i just think if you can't get anything, there is actually more risk in dumping him for nothing (probably what you will get in most cases), and particularly if you have held him in dynasty leagues since he was a rookie, when he may just be a few months away from vindicating himself... on the basis of an ambiguous report like this... schefter states anderson is impressing (contradicted by some local reports), but hasn't said that leinart looks terrible... maybe he is speculating/assuming he won't play well enough, but imo, that could be colored by impressions formed earlier in leinart's career, and may not be factoring in recent reports that he may have turned things around (at least work ethic and professionalism-wise) ...
leinart did say some very disturbing things in 2008, which may have doomed him... the stuff about the team should stand behind his struggles, in the context i heard, came off as pathetic, whiney, incredibly naive and self-absorbed, and UNLEADER-like... if he has any REMOTELY remaining vestige, remnant or semblance of that catastrophically, horrifically dunderheaded wrong thinking, i would be the first to say he deserves to lose his job... but i think the light may have come on (and if so, hopefully for him and the cards, not too belatedly)...
*** it might be instructive if others ventured an opinion on a percentage basis of the likelihood of leinart keeping or losing his job (less interested for immediate purposes here, and so as not to confuse the issue, in whether anderson wins... if leinart loses, SOMEONE will get it... i think the point made in the OP was that leinart WILL regress, and you can count on it)...
On the other hand, if DA wins the starter job, I think Lienart increases in value, since eventually he will be blamed for the poor start, and Lienart comes in and can be the hero who cleans up the mess. This is based on obvious bias that IMO DA isn't a NFL caliber QB. Not that Lienart is.
the question with leinart is complicated by reasons other than character... he has below average arm strength, maybe well below (are there as man as three-five staring QBs with less arm strength than leinart... last year i could say pennington, but now henne is starting)... many QBs suceed, even at the highest level, without cannons like cutler & stafford (having a strong arm can almost be a curse if it breeds the overconfidence to attempt dumb throws)... but you need minimum strength to have a modicum of success... and based on his pro body of work so far, it isn't like he has exhibited the uncanny kind of accuracy that can compensate for lack of arm strength... i think these types of questions have to be looked at in a thorough, systematic, collaborative vetting of his prospects... if he doesn't have minimum PHYSICAL tools, mental/emotional factors are rendered moot... so another question for the thread (or maybe it would be better as a spinoff?)... does leinart have minimum required arm strength and accuracy to keep his job and succeed at this level (clearly he did at USC, but that is a much different stage)... i think he does have requisite arm strength, but it could be a limit on types of passing plays... he can't drive a 20 yard out route to the sidelines like many QBs... he may have to throw shorter passes (including to RBs), and stuff between the hashes... this seemed to hurt pennington at times with jets (especially after multiple shoulder surgeries), though he did OK in miami before reinjuring it... as to his accuracy, he did appear to regress in limited action since getting demoted... but he got sporadic work, and i'm assuming he got few reps in practice... some QBs become more accurate if they actually get starter reps... leinart could be such an example...
given all this, i think his chances of keeping the job are something closer to 50/50 or better... so, while that may not exactly sound like a ringing endorsement, even with the schefter "ammo" (i outlined my reservations on that basis above), i can't say count on him regressing, based in part on OTA reports... i need to hear training camp reports, and see some pre-season games, at a minimum (preferably regular season action, if that transpires), before i could make that final of a pronouncement...