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Schefter: "Will not surprise me" if Anderson beats Leinart (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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Sorry - pay content here so I don't want to post excerpts, but Schefter did indeed say not so fast on Anderson being the backup and Leinart starting, that he is hearing Anderson is impressing in OTAs.

It has been pretty clear for a while now that Whisenhunt and co. don't trust Leinart. I still see some out there thinking he could be a breakout QB this season, I wouldn't waste a pick on him. I would trade him for whatever I could get in any dynasty leagues before the negative buzz picked up steam.

Remember, the team handed the job to Leinart in 08 and he promptly dropped it with an implosion vs. the Raiders in the preseason. Warner did not "win" the job, Leinart lost it. The team really wanted Leinart to take that next step and instead he regressed. He'll do it again, you can count on it.

 
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:goodposting: for Fitzgerald owners if accurate.

Anderson has a big enough arm to get it deep, and even if he is off target Fitz is the best in the league at adjusting to poorly thrown balls.

Even if Leinart does end up starting I would think he'd be on a pretty short leash.

 
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Sorry - pay content here so I don't want to post excerpts, but Schefter did indeed say not so fast on Anderson being the backup and Leinart starting, that he is hearing Anderson is impressing in OTAs.
Interesting post. I'd heard the opposite. For example, from the Arizona Republic a couple of weeks ago:"Backup Derek Anderson has yet to dispel the reputation for inconsistency he earned with the Cleveland Browns. He has been both impressive and erratic - often in the same series of plays - during off-season work."

Likewise, at the link you provided, there's a link to a second analysis by Matt Williamson of Scouts, Inc stating that despite the questions on Leinart, there isn't a lot of pressure coming from the No. 2 spot :

"What about Derek Anderson, you ask? Frankly, I am not a fan. Anderson has a big arm and good size, but he is amazingly streaky. Also, when the play doesn't go to script, he's very poor at improvising. . . .When the Browns counted on him, he crumbled. This isn't a player I trust to come through when it is needed most. In fact, I don't think Anderson is even close to Leinart at this point."

Unless there's another complete implosion by Leinart in the preseason, I can't see them not giving him a shot. I agree that's well within the realm of possibility, but saying it's a foregone conclusion that he will seems to be a bit hasty.

 
I would like the see the Cardinals trade for Troy Smith, who I believe has the mobility they like from Leinart and the arm strength they like from Anderson. I also believe he has the skills to be a better pocket quarterback than both of them. Getting Smith at a 5th or 6th round pick would be worth the deal, too. They could see what they have in Skelton on a slower time line and get rid of Leinart. Of course the financial ramifications to cutting Leinart loose need to be examined before they do so if he continues to play below expectations. I don't know about his deal, but I do know that Smith would be well worth a look. I could see the argument against it because the Cardinals could have taken Bulger and now Bulger is a Raven. However, Bulger is also brittle and Smith has that youthful athletic upside that makes him more appealing for a team like Arizona that saw its SB window go bye-bye with Warner. They are hoping that Leinart and the offensive philosophy change can be enough to put them quickly back into the window in 2011-2012.

 
Over the years, I have found that any news that comes out prior to actual training camp when the gloves come off and players start hitting has little overall value. It's hard for anyone to look great or terrible when there's no contact and it's basically not even two hand touch.

In this case, it would not shock me if Leinart at some point lost the starting job, but I doubt that would happen in basically a bunch of passing drills without even running real plays or facing actual defenders in game situations.

 
Correct if I am wrong but the last OTA for the Cards occured on June 9th. So why did it take the author two weeks to write this story?

 
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Sorry - pay content here so I don't want to post excerpts, but Schefter did indeed say not so fast on Anderson being the backup and Leinart starting, that he is hearing Anderson is impressing in OTAs.
Interesting post. I'd heard the opposite. For example, from the Arizona Republic a couple of weeks ago:"Backup Derek Anderson has yet to dispel the reputation for inconsistency he earned with the Cleveland Browns. He has been both impressive and erratic - often in the same series of plays - during off-season work."

Likewise, at the link you provided, there's a link to a second analysis by Matt Williamson of Scouts, Inc stating that despite the questions on Leinart, there isn't a lot of pressure coming from the No. 2 spot :

"What about Derek Anderson, you ask? Frankly, I am not a fan. Anderson has a big arm and good size, but he is amazingly streaky. Also, when the play doesn't go to script, he's very poor at improvising. . . .When the Browns counted on him, he crumbled. This isn't a player I trust to come through when it is needed most. In fact, I don't think Anderson is even close to Leinart at this point."

Unless there's another complete implosion by Leinart in the preseason, I can't see them not giving him a shot. I agree that's well within the realm of possibility, but saying it's a foregone conclusion that he will seems to be a bit hasty.
because Schefter said so, duhh

 
I'll tell you what surprises me: That anyone still thinks Anderson is a viable starting QB.

As someone previously stated they should go get T. Smith if they are seriously considering DA as a starter because that team can compete now.

 
I think Leinart will start the season but will only start the first 3 or 4 games. The coaches really "owe" him his shot, and it appears as though he is going to get it. But he sucks so bad that they will not be able to keep him in much more than a few games.

 
I think Leinart will start the season but will only start the first 3 or 4 games. The coaches really "owe" him his shot, and it appears as though he is going to get it. But he sucks so bad that they will not be able to keep him in much more than a few games.
:goodposting: sounds about right.I didn't post this to suggest that Anderson is actually ahead of Leinart right now, just as more evidence that Leinart's position is shaky.
 
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I may be off base here - but when Anderson performed well in Cleveland, didn't they have some sort of a run game. I want to say it was J.Lewis and he was doing at or above league average. Then when the Cleveland run game went downhill - so did Anderson. Maybe all he needs is what Wells & Hightower should be able to give him. I'd have to research it to be sure - so take it easy on me if I'm way off base...lol.

 
I may be off base here - but when Anderson performed well in Cleveland, didn't they have some sort of a run game. I want to say it was J.Lewis and he was doing at or above league average. Then when the Cleveland run game went downhill - so did Anderson. Maybe all he needs is what Wells & Hightower should be able to give him. I'd have to research it to be sure - so take it easy on me if I'm way off base...lol.
They did have a run game, and a solid o-line and some receiving talent. They also had a VERY easy schedule. Their out of conference schedule record was 58-76 (quick count).
 
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Sorry - pay content here so I don't want to post excerpts, but Schefter did indeed say not so fast on Anderson being the backup and Leinart starting, that he is hearing Anderson is impressing in OTAs.

It has been pretty clear for a while now that Whisenhunt and co. don't trust Leinart. I still see some out there thinking he could be a breakout QB this season, I wouldn't waste a pick on him. I would trade him for whatever I could get in any dynasty leagues before the negative buzz picked up steam.

Remember, the team handed the job to Leinart in 08 and he promptly dropped it with an implosion vs. the Raiders in the preseason. Warner did not "win" the job, Leinart lost it. The team really wanted Leinart to take that next step and instead he regressed. He'll do it again, you can count on it.
Well I live outside of Phoenix and as another posted, that is NOT what came out of OTAsIt would surprise me if Schefter is correct on this one, as Leinart looked VERY good in drills, and is a lot more mature and confident with his teammates, something that may well have been missing when Wiz arrived but Leinart got a lot of solid information from Warner and has been in the system for while now.

DA does have a huge arm, but even in OTAs was erratic.

I will be up in Flagstaff for a few days of camp and will add my first hand reports here.

The Cardinals actually need to give Leinart a chance to prove whether he is a capable NFL quarterback before they have to decide on next year's option (or to get value for him if they later decide to try to trade him). He can't be but doesn't need to be anything close to Warner who was a HOFer. They can win the NFC West with adequate QB play....at least this year. Also they will be running more this year, something Wiz and Grimm have been heading towards all along in their plans of the postWarner era.

 
Well I live outside of Phoenix and as another posted, that is NOT what came out of OTAsIt would surprise me if Schefter is correct on this one, as Leinart looked VERY good in drills, and is a lot more mature and confident with his teammates, something that may well have been missing when Wiz arrived but Leinart got a lot of solid information from Warner and has been in the system for while now.DA does have a huge arm, but even in OTAs was erratic.I will be up in Flagstaff for a few days of camp and will add my first hand reports here.The Cardinals actually need to give Leinart a chance to prove whether he is a capable NFL quarterback before they have to decide on next year's option (or to get value for him if they later decide to try to trade him). He can't be but doesn't need to be anything close to Warner who was a HOFer. They can win the NFC West with adequate QB play....at least this year. Also they will be running more this year, something Wiz and Grimm have been heading towards all along in their plans of the postWarner era.
PREFACE... from the sub-title, clearly bloom was talking about redraft... a lot of the points i made below pertain to dynasty, so skip if uninterested in that aspect...leinart is consensus redraft ranked #25 at FBG, ahead of campbell, moore & orton, all who i would probably rather have... there are few starting QBs i wouldn't rather have in REDRAFT, and i would do my best to plan around taking him... ______________________________________________________________________________i have heard different reports, at different times... earlier, it sounded like neither was impressing... lately, i also had heard leinart was looking OK?a few thoughts...i also have espn insider, and bloom paraphrased schefter nearly verbatim... as it pertained to anderson... he says "everything i keep hearing" is that anderson is impressing... that is a little ambiguous... is that multiple sources? what is the nature of the source? is it coming from a front office type... a coach... a scout... eyewitness from member of the press... other? no doubt he is one of the most well connected journalists on the general NFL beat, so it could be a high level source, but we don't know how high level...schefter is a friend of the site (testimonial, knows cec, etc.), breaks as many stories as anybody (glazer also well connected), i have benefited at times from his information, and imo he generally does a great job... but like any person in his position, he gets some right and some wrong...i think it is important to make a distinction between the TYPES of news/stories he disseminates... if he says player X got cut 5 minutes ago... he is nails... imo, this was a LITTLE more speculative... for the record, nowhere in the blurb did he say ANYTHING about leinart's OTA performance directly... he just doesn't address it at all... going only by what he wrote (all i can go on here) he goes on to speculate that it wouldn't surprise him if anderson wins the job... he also states prior (in response to a question), that (paraphrasing) it may be an unwarranted assumption to assume anderson is the backup... again, that could be meant and interpreted in different ways... but if somebody had been in a cave and incommunicado for a few months and, upon surfacing, read nothing BUT this, it would be unfortunate if they weren't given the additional context that whisenhunt has gone on record that leinart is the starter (of course, he has said that before, so it would be understandble if schefter doesn't take such proclamations as set in concrete)... did the HC qualify it... i don't recall if he added FOR NOW... i think everybody realizes, if it gets ugly, he will get yanked long before the team goes 0-6 like the titans last year, and his career with the cards will be over... as to leinart - i haven't seen any beer bong photos lately... clearly he had a problem with maturity, professionalism, attitude, work ethic, a gravely misplaced sense of priorities (rubbing elbows with the beautiful people) and mistaken sense of entitlement (obviously, whisenhunt didn't draft him, and didn't have ANYTHING vested in him)... but i have also heard reports that, based on recent behavior, he is thought to have come to the realization that he can't just skate by on reputation (the events of past few years must have made that abundantly clear to him, no matter how dense he is)... admittedly, it isn't to his credit that he needed to be taught this lesson, and was slow to realize it (if he has)... a parallel case may be VY, who looked good as a rookie (leinart had HIS moments also), regressed, had his character questioned, and was abandoned by many, fantasy football-wise... but, he reportedly is working harder, taking things more seriously, learned while he was on the bench, and took big steps towards football redemption last year... is there really much about their respective situations, BEFORE VY redeemed himself, that would have led us to project VY more favorably than leinart... even with VY's recent stumble, he is still worth a lot more than if somebody had dumped him after the 2008 season... what were circumstances of leinart losing his job... he did have a 3 INT game, but the decision could have been part of a broader context, in which it was the straw that broke the camel's back, compounded by work ethic issues (if sam bradford throws 3 INTs in a pre-season game, he isn't going to be exiled on the bench ((of course, his contract won't be as incentive-laden :lmao: )) - stafford, sanchez and freeman all had 5 INT games as rookies)... if he has turned that around, negative associations based on circumstances no longer as relavant could be misguided... imo, and as noted by several posters upthread, it is also important to note that there is a big difference between pulling leinart for a future HoFer, and derek anderson... as far as for fantasy purposes, what are you going to get for leinart? :) yes, there is risk in holding him if he bombs, but how much? i can't imagine he would fetch much in most leagues... arguably, there is more risk in dumping him now... if you can't get anything of value for him, you could be missing out on greater upside if he does defy expectation of many (like VY), and emerges as the starter beyond 2010... even without boldin, he does have fitzgerald, and breaston/doucet have some upside... he can't do a lot of things warner could (MOST QBs can't... if all QBs were held to the draconian standard of being as good as warner, many of them would be getting benched), but he is more mobile... like with roethlisberger in PIT (not that he is THAT athletic, mobile or dangerous with his legs), they may tailor the passing offense to his strengths, and dial up more boots, rollouts, etc. beanie wells IS an upgrade over whoever anderson had... but couldn't the same be said for leinart? who did he have, at different junctures of his development? a washed up james? hightower as a rookie in 2008? if we are being consistent, if beanie (and a more developed hightower)helps anderson, he helps leinart, too.* leinart would seem to have at least one advantage... greater familiarity with system... it wouldn't be a big surprise of anderson progresses, and doesn't look as good at first, and begins to look better as he becomes more familiar with the system, builds timing and rapport... but if leinart maintains his hold, he will get the starter reps...definitely not saying he can't lose his job, and if he has any more 3 INT games in the pre-season he might... but IF he is working harder, looking better, i think it would be a mistake to yank him if he has a bad series... once anderson is inserted, it would be hard to go back to leinart... and than what if anderson bombs (could happen)... what do they do then? it would not be a good situation for a team with playoff aspirations... maybe the leash by necessity must deservedly be shorter than what kerry collins had last year... but not so short that it strangles any confidence he may be gaining that could be turned into a long term positive for the team... ** don't mean to come off as a leinart apologist, i just think if you can't get anything, there is actually more risk in dumping him for nothing (probably what you will get in most cases), and particularly if you have held him in dynasty leagues since he was a rookie, when he may just be a few months away from vindicating himself... on the basis of an ambiguous report like this... schefter states anderson is impressing (contradicted by some local reports), but hasn't said that leinart looks terrible... maybe he is speculating/assuming he won't play well enough, but imo, that could be colored by impressions formed earlier in leinart's career, and may not be factoring in recent reports that he may have turned things around (at least work ethic and professionalism-wise) ...leinart did say some very disturbing things in 2008, which may have doomed him... the stuff about the team should stand behind his struggles, in the context i heard, came off as pathetic, whiney, incredibly naive and self-absorbed, and UNLEADER-like... if he has any REMOTELY remaining vestige, remnant or semblance of that catastrophically, horrifically dunderheaded wrong thinking, i would be the first to say he deserves to lose his job... but i think the light may have come on (and if so, hopefully for him and the cards, not too belatedly)...*** it might be instructive if others ventured an opinion on a percentage basis of the likelihood of leinart keeping or losing his job (less interested for immediate purposes here, and so as not to confuse the issue, in whether anderson wins... if leinart loses, SOMEONE will get it... i think the point made in the OP was that leinart WILL regress, and you can count on it)...the question with leinart is complicated by reasons other than character... he has below average arm strength, maybe well below (are there as man as three-five staring QBs with less arm strength than leinart... last year i could say pennington, but now henne is starting)... many QBs suceed, even at the highest level, without cannons like cutler & stafford (having a strong arm can almost be a curse if it breeds the overconfidence to attempt dumb throws)... but you need minimum strength to have a modicum of success... and based on his pro body of work so far, it isn't like he has exhibited the uncanny kind of accuracy that can compensate for lack of arm strength... i think these types of questions have to be looked at in a thorough, systematic, collaborative vetting of his prospects... if he doesn't have minimum PHYSICAL tools, mental/emotional factors are rendered moot... so another question for the thread (or maybe it would be better as a spinoff?)... does leinart have minimum required arm strength and accuracy to keep his job and succeed at this level (clearly he did at USC, but that is a much different stage)... i think he does have requisite arm strength, but it could be a limit on types of passing plays... he can't drive a 20 yard out route to the sidelines like many QBs... he may have to throw shorter passes (including to RBs), and stuff between the hashes... this seemed to hurt pennington at times with jets (especially after multiple shoulder surgeries), though he did OK in miami before reinjuring it... as to his accuracy, he did appear to regress in limited action since getting demoted... but he got sporadic work, and i'm assuming he got few reps in practice... some QBs become more accurate if they actually get starter reps... leinart could be such an example...given all this, i think his chances of keeping the job are something closer to 50/50 or better... so, while that may not exactly sound like a ringing endorsement, even with the schefter "ammo" (i outlined my reservations on that basis above), i can't say count on him regressing, based in part on OTA reports... i need to hear training camp reports, and see some pre-season games, at a minimum (preferably regular season action, if that transpires), before i could make that final of a pronouncement...
 
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Braylon dropping pass after pass in his gut didn't help Anderson in Cleveland, especially the 60 yard bombs where no DB or safety was in sight. Much like Anderson's 2-17 performance last year, everyone blames the QB, instead of looking at the game. No one mentions that the Browns WR's dropped 8 passes that day. Anderson will throw some picks, but if a coach lets him throw the ball, he will put up numbers. Crennel was a QB's worst nightmare. He was ready to pull Anderson/Quinn if they tied their shoelaces wrong. I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but IMO, the WR's and coaching staff in Cleveland would have been the end all for any QB.

 
Braylon dropping pass after pass in his gut didn't help Anderson in Cleveland, especially the 60 yard bombs where no DB or safety was in sight. Much like Anderson's 2-17 performance last year, everyone blames the QB, instead of looking at the game. No one mentions that the Browns WR's dropped 8 passes that day. Anderson will throw some picks, but if a coach lets him throw the ball, he will put up numbers. Crennel was a QB's worst nightmare. He was ready to pull Anderson/Quinn if they tied their shoelaces wrong. I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but IMO, the WR's and coaching staff in Cleveland would have been the end all for any QB.
Edwards and Winslow made DA not the other way around. Sure Braylon had a lot of drops but he also had to pull every overthrown Anderson ball thrown his way (which is a lot because Anderson has one throwing speed and zero, ZERO touch). As far as Crennel goes he gave DA every chance in the world to succeed he just is really bad and had a lucky season which caused all parties in Cleveland to be royally f'd and start from zero again.
 
Anderson wont beat Leinart.

Though Leinart could fail. Then Anderson could get starts by default.

I'm not buying Schefters take on this.

The thing is, even if Anderson does get starts, the team will be looking to replace him as soon possible. Which is not true of Leinart.
We'll see. IMO Anderson easily beats Leinart out to start week 1.
 
PREFACE...

from the sub-title, clearly bloom was talking about redraft... a lot of the points i made below pertain to dynasty, so skip if uninterested in that aspect...

The subject is still very interesting to redraft players.

leinart is consensus redraft ranked #25 at FBG, ahead of campbell, moore & orton, all who i would probably rather have... there are few starting QBs i wouldn't rather have in REDRAFT, and i would do my best to plan around taking him...

Agreed, I love Campbell as the sleeper of this group.______________________________________________________________________________

i have heard different reports, at different times... earlier, it sounded like neither was impressing... lately, i also had heard leinart was looking OK?

Isn't there always an early season report during OTA's when a national news sources is just itching to report some fluff piece about a favorite team or player? With no pads and 7-on-7 drills, these insights are to be interpreted at your own risk. The media needs to sell a story, the stories don't sell unless they paint a phoenix-rising-from-the-ashes type slant that is always popular in spring.

a few thoughts...

you ain't kiddin, a few thoughts...

i also have espn insider, and bloom paraphrased schefter nearly verbatim... as it pertained to anderson... he says "everything i keep hearing" is that anderson is impressing... that is a little ambiguous... is that multiple sources? what is the nature of the source? is it coming from a front office type... a coach... a scout... eyewitness from member of the press... other? no doubt he is one of the most well connected journalists on the general NFL beat, so it could be a high level source, but we don't know how high level...

I doubt that Shefter bothers to tweet the bad vibes unless he has heard from enough inside sources that Lienart is failing to progress. He also knows it's impossible to project positional outcomes till training camp. There must be some other information he can't publish like some groans and strained looks on Whisenhunt's face. Maybe some extra swear words and upset coaches. Nothing that Shefter can cite as a reference, but he sees in general.

schefter is a friend of the site (testimonial, knows cec, etc.), breaks as many stories as anybody (glazer also well connected), i have benefited at times from his information, and imo he generally does a great job... but like any person in his position, he gets some right and some wrong...



I trust Shef too. He is right many more times than wrong. If I was a betting man, I'd take any bet based on Shef's info.

i think it is important to make a distinction between the TYPES of news/stories he disseminates... if he says player X got cut 5 minutes ago... he is nails... imo, this was a LITTLE more speculative... for the record, nowhere in the blurb did he say ANYTHING about leinart's OTA performance directly... he just doesn't address it at all... going only by what he wrote (all i can go on here) he goes on to speculate that it wouldn't surprise him if anderson wins the job... he also states prior (in response to a question), that (paraphrasing) it may be an unwarranted assumption to assume anderson is the backup... again, that could be meant and interpreted in different ways... but if somebody had been in a cave and incommunicado for a few months and, upon surfacing, read nothing BUT this, it would be unfortunate if they weren't given the additional context that whisenhunt has gone on record that leinart is the starter (of course, he has said that before, so it would be understandble if schefter doesn't take such proclamations as set in concrete)... did the HC qualify it... i don't recall if he added FOR NOW... i think everybody realizes, if it gets ugly, he will get yanked long before the team goes 0-6 like the titans last year, and his career with the cards will be over...

It is a speculatory statement by Shef. You have to either dismiss it, and discount Shef's instincts or take Whisenhunt's declaration that Lienart is the starter at face value. I take the blurb to be a warning not to get all your eggs in the Lienart basket. But also, that this will be camp battle and anyone can emerge. Also, a high probability that either guy is going to be on a short leash.

as to leinart - i haven't seen any beer bong photos lately... clearly he had a problem with maturity, professionalism, attitude, work ethic, a gravely misplaced sense of priorities (rubbing elbows with the beautiful people) and mistaken sense of entitlement (obviously, whisenhunt didn't draft him, and didn't have ANYTHING vested in him)... but i have also heard reports that, based on recent behavior, he is thought to have come to the realization that he can't just skate by on reputation (the events of past few years must have made that abundantly clear to him, no matter how dense he is)... admittedly, it isn't to his credit that he needed to be taught this lesson, and was slow to realize it (if he has)... a parallel case may be VY, who looked good as a rookie (leinart had HIS moments also), regressed, had his character questioned, and was abandoned by many, fantasy football-wise... but, he reportedly is working harder, taking things more seriously, learned while he was on the bench, and took big steps towards football redemption last year... is there really much about their respective situations, BEFORE VY redeemed himself, that would have led us to project VY more favorably than leinart... even with VY's recent stumble, he is still worth a lot more than if somebody had dumped him after the 2008 season...

Both VY and Lienart have in common their immaturity. VY for still hanging out in strip clubs till 3 AM and punching fellow patrons. Lienart for prematurely declaring that he's gotten over his immature ways in little fluff pieces. If he truly has matured, he should just shut up and let the play do the talking.

what were circumstances of leinart losing his job... he did have a 3 INT game, but the decision could have been part of a broader context, in which it was the straw that broke the camel's back, compounded by work ethic issues (if sam bradford throws 3 INTs in a pre-season game, he isn't going to be exiled on the bench ((of course, his contract won't be as incentive-laden :thumbdown: )) - stafford, sanchez and freeman all had 5 INT games as rookies)... if he has turned that around, negative associations based on circumstances no longer as relavant could be misguided... imo, and as noted by several posters upthread, it is also important to note that there is a big difference between pulling leinart for a future HoFer, and derek anderson...

Bad games are expected for rookies, and any good HC will ride the young hand and the bumps in the road. They study the film, identify mistakes, and correct the mechanics or decision making. But when the next week the decisions made don't lead to another 5 Int game, but still the same fundamental errors are happening, that really makes HC mad. That's when high draft picks get pulled for journeymen like DA who at least follow the coaches script. Lienart has to prove he can be the lead dog.

as far as for fantasy purposes, what are you going to get for leinart? :) yes, there is risk in holding him if he bombs, but how much? i can't imagine he would fetch much in most leagues... arguably, there is more risk in dumping him now... if you can't get anything of value for him, you could be missing out on greater upside if he does defy expectation of many (like VY), and emerges as the starter beyond 2010... even without boldin, he does have fitzgerald, and breaston/doucet have some upside... he can't do a lot of things warner could (MOST QBs can't... if all QBs were held to the draconian standard of being as good as warner, many of them would be getting benched), but he is more mobile... like with roethlisberger in PIT (not that he is THAT athletic, mobile or dangerous with his legs), they may tailor the passing offense to his strengths, and dial up more boots, rollouts, etc.

If you own Lienart, I think is a stash and hold guy

beanie wells IS an upgrade over whoever anderson had... but couldn't the same be said for leinart? who did he have, at different junctures of his development? a washed up james? hightower as a rookie in 2008? if we are being consistent, if beanie (and a more developed hightower)helps anderson, he helps leinart, too.

* leinart would seem to have at least one advantage... greater familiarity with system... it wouldn't be a big surprise of anderson progresses, and doesn't look as good at first, and begins to look better as he becomes more familiar with the system, builds timing and rapport... but if leinart maintains his hold, he will get the starter reps...

definitely not saying he can't lose his job, and if he has any more 3 INT games in the pre-season he might... but IF he is working harder, looking better, i think it would be a mistake to yank him if he has a bad series... once anderson is inserted, it would be hard to go back to leinart... and than what if anderson bombs (could happen)... what do they do then? it would not be a good situation for a team with playoff aspirations... maybe the leash by necessity must deservedly be shorter than what kerry collins had last year... but not so short that it strangles any confidence he may be gaining that could be turned into a long term positive for the team...

It looks like the pressure is on the incumbent. AZ is now used to being a playoff team. There will be a dropoff now with no Boldin and no Warner. Whichever QB is at the helm during the tough times is going to be scapegoated to some degree, fair or not.

** don't mean to come off as a leinart apologist, i just think if you can't get anything, there is actually more risk in dumping him for nothing (probably what you will get in most cases), and particularly if you have held him in dynasty leagues since he was a rookie, when he may just be a few months away from vindicating himself... on the basis of an ambiguous report like this... schefter states anderson is impressing (contradicted by some local reports), but hasn't said that leinart looks terrible... maybe he is speculating/assuming he won't play well enough, but imo, that could be colored by impressions formed earlier in leinart's career, and may not be factoring in recent reports that he may have turned things around (at least work ethic and professionalism-wise) ...

leinart did say some very disturbing things in 2008, which may have doomed him... the stuff about the team should stand behind his struggles, in the context i heard, came off as pathetic, whiney, incredibly naive and self-absorbed, and UNLEADER-like... if he has any REMOTELY remaining vestige, remnant or semblance of that catastrophically, horrifically dunderheaded wrong thinking, i would be the first to say he deserves to lose his job... but i think the light may have come on (and if so, hopefully for him and the cards, not too belatedly)...

*** it might be instructive if others ventured an opinion on a percentage basis of the likelihood of leinart keeping or losing his job (less interested for immediate purposes here, and so as not to confuse the issue, in whether anderson wins... if leinart loses, SOMEONE will get it... i think the point made in the OP was that leinart WILL regress, and you can count on it)...

On the other hand, if DA wins the starter job, I think Lienart increases in value, since eventually he will be blamed for the poor start, and Lienart comes in and can be the hero who cleans up the mess. This is based on obvious bias that IMO DA isn't a NFL caliber QB. Not that Lienart is.

the question with leinart is complicated by reasons other than character... he has below average arm strength, maybe well below (are there as man as three-five staring QBs with less arm strength than leinart... last year i could say pennington, but now henne is starting)... many QBs suceed, even at the highest level, without cannons like cutler & stafford (having a strong arm can almost be a curse if it breeds the overconfidence to attempt dumb throws)... but you need minimum strength to have a modicum of success... and based on his pro body of work so far, it isn't like he has exhibited the uncanny kind of accuracy that can compensate for lack of arm strength... i think these types of questions have to be looked at in a thorough, systematic, collaborative vetting of his prospects... if he doesn't have minimum PHYSICAL tools, mental/emotional factors are rendered moot... so another question for the thread (or maybe it would be better as a spinoff?)... does leinart have minimum required arm strength and accuracy to keep his job and succeed at this level (clearly he did at USC, but that is a much different stage)... i think he does have requisite arm strength, but it could be a limit on types of passing plays... he can't drive a 20 yard out route to the sidelines like many QBs... he may have to throw shorter passes (including to RBs), and stuff between the hashes... this seemed to hurt pennington at times with jets (especially after multiple shoulder surgeries), though he did OK in miami before reinjuring it... as to his accuracy, he did appear to regress in limited action since getting demoted... but he got sporadic work, and i'm assuming he got few reps in practice... some QBs become more accurate if they actually get starter reps... leinart could be such an example...

given all this, i think his chances of keeping the job are something closer to 50/50 or better... so, while that may not exactly sound like a ringing endorsement, even with the schefter "ammo" (i outlined my reservations on that basis above), i can't say count on him regressing, based in part on OTA reports... i need to hear training camp reports, and see some pre-season games, at a minimum (preferably regular season action, if that transpires), before i could make that final of a pronouncement...
Now this summation looks like a Lienart apologist statement. I trust the OP's stark declaration just a little more, but noted.
 
Braylon dropping pass after pass in his gut didn't help Anderson in Cleveland, especially the 60 yard bombs where no DB or safety was in sight. Much like Anderson's 2-17 performance last year, everyone blames the QB, instead of looking at the game. No one mentions that the Browns WR's dropped 8 passes that day. Anderson will throw some picks, but if a coach lets him throw the ball, he will put up numbers. Crennel was a QB's worst nightmare. He was ready to pull Anderson/Quinn if they tied their shoelaces wrong. I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but IMO, the WR's and coaching staff in Cleveland would have been the end all for any QB.
Edwards and Winslow made DA not the other way around. Sure Braylon had a lot of drops but he also had to pull every overthrown Anderson ball thrown his way (which is a lot because Anderson has one throwing speed and zero, ZERO touch). As far as Crennel goes he gave DA every chance in the world to succeed he just is really bad and had a lucky season which caused all parties in Cleveland to be royally f'd and start from zero again.
Anderson has 0 touch on the short passes. Winslow has great hands and helped Anderson out, so I won't argue that point. As far as Braylon making Anderson, :lmao: ... I think I'll disagree on that one. Braylon must have dropped at least 2 or 3 passes a game in 09 before Anderson's benching, including key 3rd downs and about 4 or 5 TD's. Not to mention running bad routes, or just completely quitting on his routes. We can agree to disagree concerning Romeo giving Anderson "every" chance in the world to succeed. Romeo used Anderson as his scapegoat. Romeo was a joke. Practices weren't called Club Romeo by the players for no reason. Like I said, I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but he can move a team downfield... Anderson to Fitz could be a productive combo, but you have to understand going in that Anderson will throw some picks. I will also say that Anderson is often on or off. Sometimes the switch is on for 2 quarters, then it goes off... not much in between.
 
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Braylon dropping pass after pass in his gut didn't help Anderson in Cleveland, especially the 60 yard bombs where no DB or safety was in sight. Much like Anderson's 2-17 performance last year, everyone blames the QB, instead of looking at the game. No one mentions that the Browns WR's dropped 8 passes that day. Anderson will throw some picks, but if a coach lets him throw the ball, he will put up numbers. Crennel was a QB's worst nightmare. He was ready to pull Anderson/Quinn if they tied their shoelaces wrong. I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but IMO, the WR's and coaching staff in Cleveland would have been the end all for any QB.
Edwards and Winslow made DA not the other way around. Sure Braylon had a lot of drops but he also had to pull every overthrown Anderson ball thrown his way (which is a lot because Anderson has one throwing speed and zero, ZERO touch). As far as Crennel goes he gave DA every chance in the world to succeed he just is really bad and had a lucky season which caused all parties in Cleveland to be royally f'd and start from zero again.
Anderson has 0 touch on the short passes. Winslow has great hands and helped Anderson out, so I won't argue that point. As far as Braylon making Anderson, :lmao: ... I think I'll disagree on that one. Braylon must have dropped at least 2 or 3 passes a game in 09 before Anderson's benching, including key 3rd downs and about 4 or 5 TD's. Not to mention running bad routes, or just completely quitting on his routes. We can agree to disagree concerning Romeo giving Anderson "every" chance in the world to succeed. Romeo used Anderson as his scapegoat. Romeo was a joke. Practices weren't called Club Romeo by the players for no reason. Like I said, I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but he can move a team downfield... Anderson to Fitz could be a productive combo, but you have to understand going in that Anderson will throw some picks. I will also say that Anderson is often on or off. Sometimes the switch is on for 2 quarters, then it goes off... not much in between.
I can't believe there is a Cleveland apologist for Anderson left. Say what you want about Edwards (and I'm very much aware of how he is hated in Cleveland more than Romeo and DA combined) but him and Winslow just happened to have career years when Cleveland had just about the easiest schedule in the league. Anderson is the luckiest bad player I have ever witnessed. He is not good. If the Cardinals believe Leinart is worse than Anderson they should already be looking to bring someone else in. It's nice that Anderson can throw for a half mile but it would be funny to see him run the Cards O considering a lot of it is based off of relatively short routes not Fitz running a seam.
 
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Braylon dropping pass after pass in his gut didn't help Anderson in Cleveland, especially the 60 yard bombs where no DB or safety was in sight. Much like Anderson's 2-17 performance last year, everyone blames the QB, instead of looking at the game. No one mentions that the Browns WR's dropped 8 passes that day. Anderson will throw some picks, but if a coach lets him throw the ball, he will put up numbers. Crennel was a QB's worst nightmare. He was ready to pull Anderson/Quinn if they tied their shoelaces wrong. I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but IMO, the WR's and coaching staff in Cleveland would have been the end all for any QB.
Edwards and Winslow made DA not the other way around. Sure Braylon had a lot of drops but he also had to pull every overthrown Anderson ball thrown his way (which is a lot because Anderson has one throwing speed and zero, ZERO touch). As far as Crennel goes he gave DA every chance in the world to succeed he just is really bad and had a lucky season which caused all parties in Cleveland to be royally f'd and start from zero again.
Anderson has 0 touch on the short passes. Winslow has great hands and helped Anderson out, so I won't argue that point. As far as Braylon making Anderson, :goodposting: ... I think I'll disagree on that one. Braylon must have dropped at least 2 or 3 passes a game in 09 before Anderson's benching, including key 3rd downs and about 4 or 5 TD's. Not to mention running bad routes, or just completely quitting on his routes. We can agree to disagree concerning Romeo giving Anderson "every" chance in the world to succeed. Romeo used Anderson as his scapegoat. Romeo was a joke. Practices weren't called Club Romeo by the players for no reason.

Like I said, I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but he can move a team downfield... Anderson to Fitz could be a productive combo, but you have to understand going in that Anderson will throw some picks. I will also say that Anderson is often on or off. Sometimes the switch is on for 2 quarters, then it goes off... not much in between.
I can't believe there is a Cleveland apologist for Anderson left. Say what you want about Edwards (and I'm very much aware of how he is hated in Cleveland more than Romeo and DA combined) but him and Winslow just happened to have career years when Cleveland had just about the easiest schedule in the league. Anderson is the luckiest bad player I have ever witnessed. He is not good. If the Cardinals believe Leinart is worse than Anderson they should already be looking to bring someone else in. It's nice that Anderson can throw for a half mile but it would be funny to see him run the Cards O considering a lot of it is based off of relatively short routes not Fitz running a seam.
Derek Anderson (and John Skelton) would not have been brought in if this were the case moving forward. I think most observers here realize that Ken Whisenhunt would like to transition towards a more vertical passing attack in the coming seasons. Granted, he was/is willing to adjust according the strengths (and weaknesses) of the personnel he inherited, but I think the personnel moves in the past few seasons have been made with the intent of moving towards an offensive attack similar to the one he ran in Pittsburgh in the post-Warner era.
 
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Bojang0301 said:
GreatLakesMike said:
Bojang0301 said:
GreatLakesMike said:
Braylon dropping pass after pass in his gut didn't help Anderson in Cleveland, especially the 60 yard bombs where no DB or safety was in sight. Much like Anderson's 2-17 performance last year, everyone blames the QB, instead of looking at the game. No one mentions that the Browns WR's dropped 8 passes that day. Anderson will throw some picks, but if a coach lets him throw the ball, he will put up numbers. Crennel was a QB's worst nightmare. He was ready to pull Anderson/Quinn if they tied their shoelaces wrong. I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but IMO, the WR's and coaching staff in Cleveland would have been the end all for any QB.
Edwards and Winslow made DA not the other way around. Sure Braylon had a lot of drops but he also had to pull every overthrown Anderson ball thrown his way (which is a lot because Anderson has one throwing speed and zero, ZERO touch). As far as Crennel goes he gave DA every chance in the world to succeed he just is really bad and had a lucky season which caused all parties in Cleveland to be royally f'd and start from zero again.
Anderson has 0 touch on the short passes. Winslow has great hands and helped Anderson out, so I won't argue that point. As far as Braylon making Anderson, :excited: ... I think I'll disagree on that one. Braylon must have dropped at least 2 or 3 passes a game in 09 before Anderson's benching, including key 3rd downs and about 4 or 5 TD's. Not to mention running bad routes, or just completely quitting on his routes. We can agree to disagree concerning Romeo giving Anderson "every" chance in the world to succeed. Romeo used Anderson as his scapegoat. Romeo was a joke. Practices weren't called Club Romeo by the players for no reason.

Like I said, I'm not saying Derek Anderson is a great QB, but he can move a team downfield... Anderson to Fitz could be a productive combo, but you have to understand going in that Anderson will throw some picks. I will also say that Anderson is often on or off. Sometimes the switch is on for 2 quarters, then it goes off... not much in between.
I can't believe there is a Cleveland apologist for Anderson left. Say what you want about Edwards (and I'm very much aware of how he is hated in Cleveland more than Romeo and DA combined) but him and Winslow just happened to have career years when Cleveland had just about the easiest schedule in the league. Anderson is the luckiest bad player I have ever witnessed. He is not good. If the Cardinals believe Leinart is worse than Anderson they should already be looking to bring someone else in. It's nice that Anderson can throw for a half mile but it would be funny to see him run the Cards O considering a lot of it is based off of relatively short routes not Fitz running a seam.
Derek Anderson (and John Skelton) would not have been brought in if this were the case moving forward. I think most observers here realize that Ken Whisenhunt would like to transition towards a more vertical passing attack in the coming seasons. Granted, he was/is willing to adjust according the strengths (and weaknesses) of the personnel he inherited, but I think the personnel moves in the past few seasons have been made with the intent of moving towards an offensive attack similar to the one he ran in Pittsburgh in the post-Warner era.
:confused: Most good coaches adjust to their team's strengths. Kurt Warner was known for reading defenses and getting rid of the ball quickly. It appears that Arizona is moving towards a power running game and vertical passing attack, so they give Anderson a look.... makes sense. For the record, I'm not apologizing for Anderson. If he fails, then fine, but it cracks me up when people rip on Anderson, yet never mention all the dropped passes. As far as Braylon, hate is a strong word, but how are fans supposed to feel about a guy who always blamed others for his mistakes and quit on the team. Am I really supposed to be a fan of his?

 
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Crazy talk.

They had no back up. They wanted someone with at least some starting experience and wasnt going to break the bank.

Anderson, also, does not upset the Leinart is the starter apple cart just by being signed. His signing was spot on for the Cardinals.
I agree that the Anderson signing in isolation doesn't show Whiz's hand for the offense he wants to go with.The Skelton pick, however is far more telling.

In combination, it's fair to read the tea leaves and determine that Whiz wants a more vertical game. It's not certain, but that seems to be the way the wind is blowing.

 
Here's an idea...there are 32 teams, why not let someone else grab one of these guys in redraft? I realize the OP is talking more about dynasty, but in redrafts just pass on this entire situation. Too many solid starting QBs to waste time and energy on this mess.

 
Leinart is dirt cheap and has a pretty solid supporting cast.

Personally, I think he represents decent value give his ADP (which is in the mud) and soft schedule (11 games against teams that finished 19th or worse against the pass last season).

 
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Derek Anderson (and John Skelton) would not have been brought in if this were the case moving forward. I think most observers here realize that Ken Whisenhunt would like to transition towards a more vertical passing attack in the coming seasons. Granted, he was/is willing to adjust according the strengths (and weaknesses) of the personnel he inherited, but I think the personnel moves in the past few seasons have been made with the intent of moving towards an offensive attack similar to the one he ran in Pittsburgh in the post-Warner era.
Crazy talk.They had no back up. They wanted someone with at least some starting experience and wasnt going to break the bank.

Anderson, also, does not upset the Leinart is the starter apple cart just by being signed. His signing was spot on for the Cardinals.
Not crazy at all. Obviously Arizona needed to acquire another QB, but they likely would have gone with a more accurate passer if they had no plans to change their offensive scheme. You mentioned yourself that a strong-armed but accuracy-challenged QB like Anderson would be an extremely poor fit for the offense they ran last season, yet the Arizona front office seemed to target that prototype specifically this offseason. Not only did they sign Anderson and draft Skelton, they also showed interest in Charlie Whitehurst, another ideal size/arm strength combination at QB in that same mold. Additionally, Derek Anderson was not a cheap acquisition for Arizona. He received a two-year deal worth $7.25 million with $3.25 million guaranteed. Both the per-year average and total guarantees are more than what David Carr, A.J. Feeley, Chad Pennington, Chris Redman, Jim Sorgi, Chris Simms, Rex Grossman and JP Losman got from their respective teams. Only Jake Delhomme and (arguably) Marc Bulger (I don't know the guarantees he received) received more lucrative free agent contracts than Anderson. Arizona easily could have found someone to sign for less had they wanted to.

Granted, I was surprised when I read Schefter's report considering that the news from Cardinals OTAs has indicated disappointment in Anderson's play up to this point (as other posters mentioned previously in this thread). While the criticism has been carefully balanced with compliments about his size and arm strength (as is the case with almost all criticism this time of year), multiple writers have noted that he has been struggling significantly with his accuracy and consistency thus far.

 
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Leinart will be starting Week 1. For better or worse, they'll enter 2010 with him. They're going to see what they have here. I'd be surprised if Derek Anderson, first year in Arizona, could beat out Leinart with his knowledge in the offense. (And I'm a huge critic of Leinart). I just don't think Anderson is the answer either. Really wish they had waited it out & gotten Bulger instead of Anderson.

I think he's got 6-8 weeks in the regular season to prove something. If he's not impressive, they'll pull him and he'll be cut next offseason. I wouldn't be surprised if Leinart fell on his face during the regular season....but I believe he'll be given every opportunity to do so. That the team will have a huge change in philosophy IMO -- given the losses of Warner & on defense -- will be a huge benefit to Leinart.

 
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Anderson wont beat Leinart.

Though Leinart could fail. Then Anderson could get starts by default.

I'm not buying Schefters take on this.

The thing is, even if Anderson does get starts, the team will be looking to replace him as soon possible. Which is not true of Leinart.
I agree with your line of thinking. If Leinert fails (not gets injured) and Anderson comes in and does well, I can see the management thinking they just avoided a bullet and looking to find a better, long-term solution. In fact, that is somewhat what happened in KC back in '08. Sure some of Thigpen's success was smoke and mirrors, but not many 18-6 (TD/INT) guys get sent packing the next year. In fact, we are kind of witnessing it right now in Carolina with Moore. If they believed in the guy, Bulger would have been the pick up...not the drafting of Clausen and Pike to make it 3 QBs 25 and under. This doesn't mean Moore will not get a chance to secure the job, but he is not being looked at as the guy to build around right now. If you look at the Jets, they are eyeballing Brunell, not a trade for Troy Smith. They have faith in Sanchez (who ironically put up much worse number than Thiggy and Moore...albiet Moore was not a rookie at the time).
 
Leinart is dirt cheap and has a pretty solid supporting cast.Personally, I think he represents decent value give his ADP (which is in the mud) and soft schedule (11 games against teams that finished 19th or worse against the pass last season).
Yep. I don't believe in Leinart at all, but I've been wrong a lot before, and he is draftable based on situation alone. I really hadn't looked at his ADP, but after I read your post, I looked it up.In PPR, he is just behind Cincy D, Kevin Boss, Toby Gerhart and just in front of Arian Foster. Kinda like that risk/reward.As to Anderson, Leinart might lose the job, but I don't think Anderson can keep it. Leinart might not light it up like Warner, but he'll protect the ball. Anderson WILL throw picks with regularity.
 
Leinart will be starting Week 1. For better or worse, they'll enter 2010 with him. They're going to see what they have here. I'd be surprised if Derek Anderson, first year in Arizona, could beat out Leinart with his knowledge in the offense. (And I'm a huge critic of Leinart). I just don't think Anderson is the answer either. Really wish they had waited it out & gotten Bulger instead of Anderson.I think he's got 6-8 weeks in the regular season to prove something. If he's not impressive, they'll pull him and he'll be cut next offseason. I wouldn't be surprised if Leinart fell on his face during the regular season....but I believe he'll be given every opportunity to do so. That the team will have a huge change in philosophy IMO -- given the losses of Warner & on defense -- will be a huge benefit to Leinart.
Anderson isn't a cerebral QB if he wins the job it will be because he has physical gifts but in depth knowledge of a passing offense, decision making, accuracy have not shown to be his strong suits.
For the record, I'm not apologizing for Anderson. If he fails, then fine, but it cracks me up when people rip on Anderson, yet never mention all the dropped passes
Anderson's stats in 18 games- 2008-09223/465 - 48%, 2503 yards (11.2 y/c, 5.4 y/a)Add in 3 12 yard completions a game = 277/465 - 59%, 3151 yards (11.4 y/c, 6.77 y/a)Those are still below average starting QB numbers.
 

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