Screw Expert Rankings! (1 Viewer)

[davearm]

Looking at weekly rankings/cheetsheets does nothing but put "doubt" in your mind and lead you down an ugly road of wrong choices...

im pretty sure theres never been a time where i was convinced of a decision and then benefited from looking at rankings.when it comes to coinflips, the rankings might be useful but who knows.

unfortunately in this situation these were not coinflips this is just annoying whining from people who talk about players on their bench blowing up that they never even considered starting.

bullpucky. you don't know what the h#ll you're talking about, clearly.Total coinflip. Bennett and Royal had been equally inconsitent, with both coming off good weeks the week before. Both healthy vs good matchups. Bennett was appealling in the matchup vs the Lions, since the Chic OL although better is shaky and the Lions have had a better than avg pass rush at home. Didn't look like a great spot to start Hester and poss Knox as slow-developing routes are usually rarely successful against such a Defense. Figured it was going to be a good day for Forte and Bennett, and poss Olsen.

Royal had a lingering hip/groin injury thru the middle of the season, which he looks to have bounced back from, nearly 100 % . He wasn't on the inj report and had a big week the week before. Orton vs Cassell figured to be a point-fest , as the last time they met, but 10-6? Who knew? Orton threw for 300 yds and 4td's last time they met, had his worst week in the season by far vs KC last week, but u don't see my 'crying' about starting Orton.

There's a site that ranks the experts picks every week and i believe Dodds is #2 overall for the season , according to that site. I filtered picks from experts who were 'top rated' overall and for the WR position, as well as used Dodds and Blooms rankings. Just disappointed looking back that Bennett wasn't given his due and ranked closer to Royal. Don't tell me i blew it by not doing my research. Consulting 'experts picks' is just that, and isn't the be all , end all, it's what i'll do when in a coinflip decision. I'm not the one making a living acquiring and accessing mountains of info, then filtering it out to my subscribers.

Total coinflip, but you fully expect them to have given you the right answer. Do you have any idea how absurd you sound?

Just astonishing that this guy could use the term coinflip (not once but twice) yet still whine that somebody's best guess about said coinflip ended up being wrong.

 

[nickel&dime]

No one answered my question, so I'll repeat it...those of you who think it's absolutely lame to get expert opinions to help you make FF decisions, answer these two questions for me:

1. If you want absolutely NO advice from others, what are you doing in a FF forum that's all about sharing opinions, advice, etc?

2. If you think it's lame to follow the advice of others in FF, is it lame to do it for stocks? How about for insurance advice? How about for real estate purchases? There are plenty of people that devote many hours to become an "expert" at what they do. I don't mind leaning on them for advice sometimes if I think they're credible and good at what they do.

This doesn't mean that I want to blindly follow "experts" but it does mean that I recognize that getting solid opinions is a good thing, not a bad thing. I'd rather be the CEO of my fantasy team with analysts and scouts all helping me make the right call, than a one-person shop that lacks the time and resources to fully research each big decision that could make or break my year.

I agree, though, that it's lame to follow someone's advice and then whine about afterward. I also agree that anyone can claim to be a FF expert, which is partially why there's no credibility in the industry.

 

[LAbronco]

[ Total coinflip, but you fully expect them to have given you the right answer. Do you have any idea how absurd you sound?



Just astonishing that this guy could use the term coinflip (not once but twice) yet still whine that somebody's best guess about said coinflip ended up being wrong.

Why should a 'coinflip' for me be the same for an 'expert' ? They have unlimited time and more resources to access info pertinent to their rankings than i do. It comes down to who's knowledge is more limited and usually that person is not the 'expert' who is getting paid for a living to offer FF advice

 

[LAbronco]

No one answered my question, so I'll repeat it...those of you who think it's absolutely lame to get expert opinions to help you make FF decisions, answer these two questions for me:1. If you want absolutely NO advice from others, what are you doing in a FF forum that's all about sharing opinions, advice, etc?2. If you think it's lame to follow the advice of others in FF, is it lame to do it for stocks? How about for insurance advice? How about for real estate purchases? There are plenty of people that devote many hours to become an "expert" at what they do. I don't mind leaning on them for advice sometimes if I think they're credible and good at what they do.This doesn't mean that I want to blindly follow "experts" but it does mean that I recognize that getting solid opinions is a good thing, not a bad thing. I'd rather be the CEO of my fantasy team with analysts and scouts all helping me make the right call, than a one-person shop that lacks the time and resources to fully research each big decision that could make or break my year.I agree, though, that it's lame to follow someone's advice and then whine about afterward. I also agree that anyone can claim to be a FF expert, which is partially why there's no credibility in the industry.

good post.FYI, not necessarily whining about taking their advice 'per se' as much as im whining about not understanding how these so called experts would agree to rank 2 guys who would look so even on the surface, so far apart, leaving me with ''well, maybe there's something they know that i don't about this guy, since they all agree, i'll defer''....kinda like feeling they got lazy in their rankings past say, the 20's, so more disappointed in this revelation than being pure MMQB

 

[gregjcross]

Next to experts rankings, there should be a disclaimer ''for entertainment purposes only''Had 2 coinflips last weekend for my High Stakes Fantasy Championship Game...For my 3rd WR(required) the choice was Royal vs Bennet. For TE: M Lewis vs Hernandez,Consulted rankings by the 2 main experts on FBG , also used expert rankings from some of the top 'experts' in FF.Not one expert had Bennett ranked higher than Royal. In fact, Royal's avg ranking was in the low 30s (Sigmund had him in the teens), while Bennett's was low 50s. As for TE, Lewis avg ranking was 7, Hernandez 17. Noone had Hernandez higher than Marcedes. Results: Bennett, 17 pts. Royal 3 pts Hernandez 16 pts, Lewis 6.6 ptsI know i'm ultimately responsible for my lineup decisions. My fault for putting so much faith in the so-called experts. My suggestion to you guys is to find another way to break the tie than to consult rankings..which are very arbitrary. You've got to trust yourself and your knowledge of football to go out on a limb and make decisions accordingly

Depend on Bennett or Royal for a high stakes championship?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Looking at weekly rankings/cheetsheets does nothing but put "doubt" in your mind and lead you down an ugly road of wrong choices...

im pretty sure theres never been a time where i was convinced of a decision and then benefited from looking at rankings.when it comes to coinflips, the rankings might be useful but who knows.unfortunately in this situation these were not coinflips this is just annoying whining from people who talk about players on their bench blowing up that they never even considered starting.

bullpucky. you don't know what the h#ll you're talking about, clearly.Total coinflip. Bennett and Royal had been equally inconsitent, with both coming off good weeks the week before. Both healthy vs good matchups. Bennett was appealling in the matchup vs the Lions, since the Chic OL although better is shaky and the Lions have had a better than avg pass rush at home. Didn't look like a great spot to start Hester and poss Knox as slow-developing routes are usually rarely successful against such a Defense. Figured it was going to be a good day for Forte and Bennett, and poss Olsen.Royal had a lingering hip/groin injury thru the middle of the season, which he looks to have bounced back from, nearly 100 % . He wasn't on the inj report and had a big week the week before. Orton vs Cassell figured to be a point-fest , as the last time they met, but 10-6? Who knew? Orton threw for 300 yds and 4td's last time they met, had his worst week in the season by far vs KC last week, but u don't see my 'crying' about starting Orton.There's a site that ranks the experts picks every week and i believe Dodds is #2 overall for the season , according to that site. I filtered picks from experts who were 'top rated' overall and for the WR position, as well as used Dodds and Blooms rankings. Just disappointed looking back that Bennett wasn't given his due and ranked closer to Royal. Don't tell me i blew it by not doing my research. Consulting 'experts picks' is just that, and isn't the be all , end all, it's what i'll do when in a coinflip decision. I'm not the one making a living acquiring and accessing mountains of info, then filtering it out to my subscribers.

You seriously have no clue at all. The experts put their rankings out but will not be right 100% of the time. In the long run, going with their rankings will lead to success. There is always variance from week to week. This is the part you're not getting or you never would have started this ridiculous thread.

 

[massraider]

No one answered my question, so I'll repeat it...those of you who think it's absolutely lame to get expert opinions to help you make FF decisions, answer these two questions for me:

1. If you want absolutely NO advice from others, what are you doing in a FF forum that's all about sharing opinions, advice, etc?

Consider what the "etc." is in your above statement. To me, it is getting breaking news pretty much instantaneously. It's an active board, and luckily there's always someone who wants to be the first to post something. The moment a player is inactive, it gets posted. The moment a guy tweaks a hammy in practice, it gets posted. It's not advice I am looking for, it is discussion. There are knowledgeable homers from just about every team here, that follow their team as much as I follow my team. It's like having an acquaintance read every local paper, and watch every local newscast of every team. Every year, at least 3 or 4 times, I will PM a poster here, who I trust to be objective and informed on his team. Usually pump him for health info or whatnot. You could also ignore the above paragraph, and remember this: There is a big gulf between "NO advice from others" and "Blindly following rankings from strangers, then complaining about them".

2. If you think it's lame to follow the advice of others in FF, is it lame to do it for stocks? How about for insurance advice? How about for real estate purchases? There are plenty of people that devote many hours to become an "expert" at what they do. I don't mind leaning on them for advice sometimes if I think they're credible and good at what they do.

Why isn't the Shark Pool overrun with subscribers that want their money back, because Ray Rice was a disappointment? Because Rice owners know they liked Ray before the season, and These guys are not infallible, something the OP apparently wants. He chose two random pairs of players, from the hundreds of players ranked every week, and because they got those two wrong, now they are just 'so-called' experts and he is accusing them of mailing it in after the top 20 or so. It's a joke. Never mind that more than one person has told him to look at the projections, which had Bennett and Royal as pretty much a coin flip, to use the OP's term. Nope, all he saw was the gap between rankings, not projected point total. And he wants to know where these 'experts' get off? He looked at the rankings, not projections, and because he didn't use every tool that Football Guys gave him, he thought it meant Royal was going to have a monster week compared to Bennett, when in fact, they were projected to be pretty close.

Hey, bottom line, your lineup is your choice. You try and get as much info as possible, then make your decision. If the OP wants to make a case that the experts here are slacking on rankings, then put a study together. Give us some proof! Point out which players are getting shorted, and not getting their fair due. Which experts are slacking? Because I gotta tell you, pointing to one or two players that outperformed their rankings doesn't prove anything, except that you might have expected a bit too much from someone.

Newsflash: Dodds isn't God.