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who is praticing with the first team ? DJ.Hackett looked good at the end of last year is he for sure #2 ?
Is Nate still on KR duty as well? TIAG-Money said:Hawks homer here. I feel Nate Burleson has won the job, but there is little doubt Branch, Burleson, Hackett, and Engram will ALL see their share of looks. I see it very much like New England the past several years, with all WR's showing up at one time or another............but none to be counted/relied on for steady/weekly production. Just my opinion.
Im with you..As far as I'm concerned, it's Hackett until I see otherwise.![]()
Do you realize he played with a broken thumb most of the year? He also struggled picking up the offense, which he is MUCH more comfortable in this year. Hasselbeck missing so much time didn't help things either. I know you have to take preseason with a grain of salt, but there is ZERO doubt Nate has outshined Hackett this offseason................in camps, practices, and preseason games. Don't be shocked if it carries over to the regular season.wow really i find that hard to believe nate did nothing last year.............
Seahawks website updated after cuts and trades had Burleson listed as K and P returnds and at #2 behind Hackett. One beat reporter, that I feel theorizes too much, theorized that there might be a WRBC at the position but the article was filled with words like may, might, could be and perhaps. A lot has been made out of that. There's been nothing solid suggesting that Burleson will start. Although Burleson looked good, Hackett wasn't thrown at much. Hackett won the job last year over a big offseason addition and hasn't done anything to lose it, IMO, regardless of how much improved Burleson is. However I see a lot of 4WR sets and Hass will throw to the open man. Hackett will be the main RZ target as he is taller and makes great leaping catches. But if you get points for return TDs I think it's possible for Nate to get a few. He had 2 in the last half of the regular season though one was called back on a really bad holding call, ref had a bad angle. People made a lot out of that article, but it was too much conjecture for me. I own Hackett for the record, but care more about the Seahawks than my WR3 so TIFWIW.Is Nate still on KR duty as well? TIAG-Money said:Hawks homer here. I feel Nate Burleson has won the job, but there is little doubt Branch, Burleson, Hackett, and Engram will ALL see their share of looks. I see it very much like New England the past several years, with all WR's showing up at one time or another............but none to be counted/relied on for steady/weekly production. Just my opinion.
While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet. As for TC, every report I read said that every great play by Burleson was matched by Hackett. The only knock was that DJ missed the 1st 2 days of camp for the birth of his child. On his first day back he went immediately to first team and Nate went to 2nd. For the 4th preseason game Nate started over Hackett just like most of the starters were replaced. Hackett did see some snaps in the slot. I say 90% chance Hackett starts and outproduces Nate for the season. However with the glut of talent at WR this season I think all Seahawks WRs have to be taken down a tick, there will be a lot of games with 7-8 different players catching passes, including weaver and SA (who was targeted 7 times in limited action).Do you realize he played with a broken thumb most of the year? He also struggled picking up the offense, which he is MUCH more comfortable in this year. Hasselbeck missing so much time didn't help things either. I know you have to take preseason with a grain of salt, but there is ZERO doubt Nate has outshined Hackett this offseason................in camps, practices, and preseason games. Don't be shocked if it carries over to the regular season.wow really i find that hard to believe nate did nothing last year.............
That's pretty much what I said in my original post....................While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet. As for TC, every report I read said that every great play by Burleson was matched by Hackett. The only knock was that DJ missed the 1st 2 days of camp for the birth of his child. On his first day back he went immediately to first team and Nate went to 2nd. For the 4th preseason game Nate started over Hackett just like most of the starters were replaced. Hackett did see some snaps in the slot. I say 90% chance Hackett starts and outproduces Nate for the season. However with the glut of talent at WR this season I think all Seahawks WRs have to be taken down a tick, there will be a lot of games with 7-8 different players catching passes, including weaver and SA (who was targeted 7 times in limited action).Do you realize he played with a broken thumb most of the year? He also struggled picking up the offense, which he is MUCH more comfortable in this year. Hasselbeck missing so much time didn't help things either. I know you have to take preseason with a grain of salt, but there is ZERO doubt Nate has outshined Hackett this offseason................in camps, practices, and preseason games. Don't be shocked if it carries over to the regular season.wow really i find that hard to believe nate did nothing last year.............
That's pretty much what I said in my original post....................While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet. As for TC, every report I read said that every great play by Burleson was matched by Hackett. The only knock was that DJ missed the 1st 2 days of camp for the birth of his child. On his first day back he went immediately to first team and Nate went to 2nd. For the 4th preseason game Nate started over Hackett just like most of the starters were replaced. Hackett did see some snaps in the slot. I say 90% chance Hackett starts and outproduces Nate for the season. However with the glut of talent at WR this season I think all Seahawks WRs have to be taken down a tick, there will be a lot of games with 7-8 different players catching passes, including weaver and SA (who was targeted 7 times in limited action).Do you realize he played with a broken thumb most of the year? He also struggled picking up the offense, which he is MUCH more comfortable in this year. Hasselbeck missing so much time didn't help things either. I know you have to take preseason with a grain of salt, but there is ZERO doubt Nate has outshined Hackett this offseason................in camps, practices, and preseason games. Don't be shocked if it carries over to the regular season.wow really i find that hard to believe nate did nothing last year.............![]()
I take that thread with a (very large) grain of salt. It is a topic titled, "Should Burleson Start...Now?", and accordingly, the vast majority of the posters making replies seem to be viewing the world through Burleson-colored lenses. Heck, in reading most of the responses, you'd be led to believe that Burleson should be starting over Branch.Here is a thread discussing this over at Seahawks.net..............................
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=114#s=11...36&t=921217
I dont know what it is you have against Burleson but there is no denying that he has outperformed Hackett in EVERY aspect of this offseason. I've stated this before but before training camp, it was said to be Hackett's spot to lose. After a while the coaches went out of their way to say that there was a battle now for the #2 between Burleson and Hackett, and since then Burleson has shined while Hackett has done pretty much nothing. It was apparent Nate didnt feel comfortable catching the ball last year with his injury but this year he has had NO problems doing so.I hope Nate wins the job as I feel he can help this team more than Hackett just because of his speed and YAC ability, Hackett is no slouch either but I think Nate will outperform him this season whether or not he starts on Sunday.While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet.
While that's true it is worth noting that Branch had a 998-yard season in 2005.I don't know who's going to win this job, but let's not forget that Nate Burleson is the only WR on the Seahawks who has a 1,000 yard season under his belt.
Also remember that these are actual Seahawk homers who watch this team play every game(like me) and know more about Seattle than pretty much any of you....I take that thread with a (very large) grain of salt. It is a topic titled, "Should Burleson Start...Now?", and accordingly, the vast majority of the posters making replies seem to be viewing the world through Burleson-colored lenses. Heck, in reading most of the responses, you'd be led to believe that Burleson should be starting over Branch.Here is a thread discussing this over at Seahawks.net..............................
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=114#s=11...36&t=921217![]()
To keep things in perspective, the same type of "battle" was also declared between Ronnie Brown and Jesse Chatman. As we're all aware, these pre-season duels are more often than not head games, motivational ploys, and strategic fronts put up by coaching staffs. Whether Hackett-Burleson falls under this umbrella or is actually legit is anyone's guess.I dont know what it is you have against Burleson but there is no denying that he has outperformed Hackett in EVERY aspect of this offseason. I've stated this before but before training camp, it was said to be Hackett's spot to lose. After a while the coaches went out of their way to say that there was a battle now for the #2 between Burleson and Hackett, and since then Burleson has shined while Hackett has done pretty much nothing.It was apparent Nate didnt feel comfortable catching the ball last year with his injury but this year he has had NO problems doing so.While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet.
I hope Nate wins the job as I feel he can help this team more than Hackett just because of his speed and YAC ability, Hackett is no slouch either but I think Nate will outperform him this season whether or not he starts on Sunday.
cacksman...Admittedly, I am sure you know much more about the Seahawks than myself and many of the other guys on this board. However, "homers", despite being more well-informed and in the know, are often more apt to make clouded judgments because of biases. Sometimes it's the outsiders who don't know as much that can give the most rational opinions.Also remember that these are actual Seahawk homers who watch this team play every game(like me) and know more about Seattle than pretty much any of you....I take that thread with a (very large) grain of salt. It is a topic titled, "Should Burleson Start...Now?", and accordingly, the vast majority of the posters making replies seem to be viewing the world through Burleson-colored lenses. Heck, in reading most of the responses, you'd be led to believe that Burleson should be starting over Branch.Here is a thread discussing this over at Seahawks.net..............................
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=114#s=11...36&t=921217![]()
I don't have anything against Burleson, the better all the Seahawks WRs are the better their season will be. I just don't buy into the hype of Burleson over Hackett based on one coach-speak statement and one highly speculative comment by a beat reporter which caught fire and has fueled all this specualtion. A lot of people have outperformed the starter in front of them in preseason. Hackett has more time in the system, a very complex system, so it doesn't surprise me that Burleson saw more time in preseason. More time=more exposure and opportunities. I do not deny that Nate has been much improved over last year and looks impressive, but that would be almost impossible NOT to do since he stunk it up last year until he hit his stride returning kicks. Hackett was clearly the better WR of the two last year, in skill and passion. I have not heard anything about Nate out practicing Hackett, only that Nate has practiced well, but Hackett keeps stride. Hackett was treated like the rest of the starters in week 4, although he did come in some at slot most likely to keep Engram rested while they looked at the younger WRs. Most of Nate's work has come with the 2nd team offense. Basically, there is still nothing more than speculation that Burleson will start or even that there will be a committee. Seems a lot like the Moss getting cut rumor, it's easy to find reasons to agree with it but it's just speculation at this point. And I repeat, he dropped a lot of passes but didn't miss a punt. His thumb could account for some, but not all of it. And Hackett clearly outplayed him in regular season games last year. I have heard absolutely nothing solid to say that Hackett has lost his job. That's all I'm saying. I allowed for being wrong in my 90% prediction. I think Hackett starts and stays there all season. I also think all 4 will be out there a lot and Hasselbeck is a spectacular FF value at where he's going.I dont know what it is you have against Burleson but there is no denying that he has outperformed Hackett in EVERY aspect of this offseason. I've stated this before but before training camp, it was said to be Hackett's spot to lose. After a while the coaches went out of their way to say that there was a battle now for the #2 between Burleson and Hackett, and since then Burleson has shined while Hackett has done pretty much nothing. It was apparent Nate didnt feel comfortable catching the ball last year with his injury but this year he has had NO problems doing so.I hope Nate wins the job as I feel he can help this team more than Hackett just because of his speed and YAC ability, Hackett is no slouch either but I think Nate will outperform him this season whether or not he starts on Sunday.While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet.
I wasnt trying to boast or anything like that, only to say that the people you guys should listen to are the guys that actually watch Seattle week in and week out over some guy who just drafted Hackett on his fantasy team. The Quinn comparison sounds the same but it is different. I understand why Quinn isnt starting yet because he is unexperienced and a rookie but Burleson has proven he can play in this league when it counts. He had a tough year last year because of an injury and it was his first year in a very tough to learn Holmgren WCO.cacksman...Admittedly, I am sure you know much more about the Seahawks than myself and many of the other guys on this board. However, "homers", despite being more well-informed and in the know, are often more apt to make clouded judgments because of biases. Sometimes it's the outsiders who don't know as much that can give the most rational opinions.I'm a die-hard Cleveland Browns fan and frequent visitor of "The OBR" (the Browns equivalent to the Seahawks' Scout.com forum). I guarantee that I could find dozens of threads expressing that Brady Quinn's time to start is "now" and explaining how he has outproduced Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson throughout the pre-season. At the end of the day, however, we've seen this doesn't mean much, as the Cleveland brass has annointed Frye the opening game starter.Just trying to keep things in perspective...![]()
Settle down Einstein...............I was merely stating that in my original post I said that on any given week ANY WR may emerge, and don't count on any one of them to put up solid numbers evry week (much like New England these past several years). It was post #2 in the thread............let me get it for you.Hawks homer here. I feel Nate Burleson has won the job, but there is little doubt Branch, Burleson, Hackett, and Engram will ALL see their share of looks. I see it very much like New England the past several years, with all WR's showing up at one time or another............but none to be counted/relied on for steady/weekly production. Just my opinion.That's pretty much what I said in my original post....................While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet. As for TC, every report I read said that every great play by Burleson was matched by Hackett. The only knock was that DJ missed the 1st 2 days of camp for the birth of his child. On his first day back he went immediately to first team and Nate went to 2nd. For the 4th preseason game Nate started over Hackett just like most of the starters were replaced. Hackett did see some snaps in the slot. I say 90% chance Hackett starts and outproduces Nate for the season. However with the glut of talent at WR this season I think all Seahawks WRs have to be taken down a tick, there will be a lot of games with 7-8 different players catching passes, including weaver and SA (who was targeted 7 times in limited action).Do you realize he played with a broken thumb most of the year? He also struggled picking up the offense, which he is MUCH more comfortable in this year. Hasselbeck missing so much time didn't help things either. I know you have to take preseason with a grain of salt, but there is ZERO doubt Nate has outshined Hackett this offseason................in camps, practices, and preseason games. Don't be shocked if it carries over to the regular season.wow really i find that hard to believe nate did nothing last year.............![]()
Seems like your making a case for Nate to be the starter, if the bolded part was what you were saying you need to work on your wording. I don't see anywhere in your posts that suggests 7-8 targets a game, including RBs. You just said Nate outshined Jackett and that would carry over to the season. If anything you would infer from that that you think Nate would start, more than the WR position would be muddied team wide. Nowhere near the same thing, and I don't know how anyone could get that from your post. .
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What's with the rolled eyes? I answered the posters question with details and made a conclusion, which doesn't seem much at all like what you say you were trying to say. It's nowhere near even a paraphrasing of what you said. It's ridiculous, unfounded and unnecessary sarcasm like that makes posts useless. :braindead:
I dont know what it is you have against Burleson but there is no denying that he has outperformed Hackett in EVERY aspect of this offseason. I've stated this before but before training camp, it was said to be Hackett's spot to lose. After a while the coaches went out of their way to say that there was a battle now for the #2 between Burleson and Hackett, and since then Burleson has shined while Hackett has done pretty much nothing. It was apparent Nate didnt feel comfortable catching the ball last year with his injury but this year he has had NO problems doing so.While the thumb may have contributed a little, he dropped way too many easy passes. Much easier than most of his punt return catches, which he had no problem with. Catching an out pattern with a defender trailing or field a meteor dropping from the sky with 5 guys speeding straight at you with a 30 yard run up. Which is easier to catch? Burleson looked much improved and Hackett was a non factor in preseason, but there's nothing substantial to suggest it yet.
I hope Nate wins the job as I feel he can help this team more than Hackett just because of his speed and YAC ability, Hackett is no slouch either but I think Nate will outperform him this season whether or not he starts on Sunday.
That is not going to happen. Seattle has one of the, if not THE deepest WR corps in the league. Their #5 WR Ben Obomanu could start on some teams.There's also the possibility that neither has really won the job, and the task of #2 WR will be passed around quite a bit all year, and the team will look elsewhere to fill the role in 2008.
Monday -- Postpractice
Posted by Frank Hughes @ 05:56:48 pm
First, the Seahawks have shifted into regular-season mode, and so some of the specific details that came out of practice during training camp -- plays, formations, etc. -- are no longer going to be permitted to be posted on the blog after practice. We'll get what we can from coaches but some of the minutiae simply won't be available any longer.
Also, the league on Wednesdays provided a list of players not practicing and the probability of them playing on Sunday. My understanding is that that is now not going to be released until Fridays. On Wednesdays they will officially list who is not practicing and why but not their probability.
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Holmgren said he has not decided who will start at right defensive end. He also has not decided who will start at split end.
Holmgren said Chris Gray would be the backup center but that they are going to reach Steve Vallos to play center.
Rookie Baraka Atkins changed his number to 98. That was previously worn by Marcus Green.
Jason Babin said he did not fit into Houston's system under the new coaching staff because they went to a 3-4 defense and wanted a big end. He is far from that, a speed guy, and so he fell out of favor there. He said he couldn't be happier to make the transition to here. One other good note: The only other time he has been to the Northwest was last summer, when he went hunting in Princeton, BC and killed a black bear while bow hunting.
The irony of Alvin Pearman getting traded here and essentially taking the spot of Marquis Weeks is that the two are good friends from their days at UVa. In fact, Pearman said Weeks called him a few hours after he got cut and asked Pearman his status. He told him he was still on the team. Four hours later he called to tell him he had been traded -- to Seattle. The two were going out for dinner tonight.
-- Hackett Working Ahead of Burleson --Wed Sep 5, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com#The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports the official word is that no decisions have been made about who starts at split end, but in practice Monday it was Seahawks WR D.J. Hackett in there with the No. 1 offense over WR Nate Burleson.