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Sean Payton implicated in alleged Vicodin theft. (1 Viewer)

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Sean Payton implicated in alleged Vicodin theft at Saints facility

Posted by Mike Florio on May 1, 2010 12:23 PM ET

On Friday, former Saints director of security Geoffrey Santini sued the team for constructive discharge. He alleges that G.M. Mickey Loomis attempted to cover up evidence that Vicodin was being stolen from the team drug locker by two senior staff members.

The lawsuit does not name the two senior staff members. Per the initial filing, Saints trainer Scottie Patton told Santini that one of the unnamed employees has a "painful medical condition," and that the other one does not.

Based on extensive discussions with multiple sources having knowledge of the situation but who have requested anonymity given the sensitive nature of the case, the two unnamed senior staff members are assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt and head coach Sean Payton.

Keep in mind that these are only allegations. To date, no proof has been introduced linking either man to the alleged theft, unauthorized use, or abuse of Vicodin from the Saints' drug locker. It is our understanding that the matter has been referred to local federal authorities, and that the matter has been investigated. We don't know whether the investigation has been concluded, or whether it remains active.

Per our sources, Vitt is the staff member with the painful medical condition. Which means that Payton is the staff member who, based on the information provided by Patton to Santini, does not have a painful medical condition.

The Saints declined comment on the matter. Reach by e-mail, V.P. of communications Greg Bensel forwarded his statement from Friday, which initially was given to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "I will not have any other comment nor will I be releasing these names," Bensel told us.

(Here is Bensel's statement from Friday: "A former employee who resigned just before the 2009 regular season threatened to go public with these unfounded charges unless we agreed to pay him an exorbitant sum of money. We refused and now he has gone public. We will aggressively defend these false allegations in court. We will not have any further comment on this matter at this time. Rather we look forward to welcoming our rookie players and want our focus to be on continuing our preparations for the 2010 Football Season and defending our title.")

We've been advised that settlement discussions indeed occurred before the suit was filed, but that an agreement (obviously) was not reached. The lawsuit filing indicates that formal service of the documents has not yet been requested. Once service occurs, the Saints will have a finite period of time within which to respond. Given that the claims implicate federal drug laws, it's possible that the team will remove the lawsuit from Louisiana state court to federal court.

Typically, federal court provides a more level playing field for business interests. Given the extent to which the Saints are locally beloved, however, Santini and his lawyer could have a hard time finding jurors in either the state or federal setting who will be capable of overlooking the fleur-de-lis that has been tattooed onto their souls.

 
I just got an idea for a new game. Name one NFL Franchise that can go a year with out a criminal incident.

Seriously this has bad implications if true....

 
Keep in mind that these are only allegations. To date, no proof has been introduced linking either man to the alleged theft, unauthorized use, or abuse of Vicodin from the Saints' drug locker. It is our understanding that the matter has been referred to local federal authorities, and that the matter has been investigated. We don't know whether the investigation has been concluded, or whether it remains active.

my guess; disgruntled employee alleges something that probably happened but cant be proved.

 
Keep in mind that these are only allegations. To date, no proof has been introduced linking either man to the alleged theft, unauthorized use, or abuse of Vicodin from the Saints' drug locker. It is our understanding that the matter has been referred to local federal authorities, and that the matter has been investigated. We don't know whether the investigation has been concluded, or whether it remains active.

my guess; disgruntled employee alleges something that probably happened but cant be proved.
I hope you're right, but according to the Times Picayune, Santini has claimed to have them on video stealing the pills.

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Keep in mind that these are only allegations. To date, no proof has been introduced linking either man to the alleged theft, unauthorized use, or abuse of Vicodin from the Saints' drug locker. It is our understanding that the matter has been referred to local federal authorities, and that the matter has been investigated. We don't know whether the investigation has been concluded, or whether it remains active.

my guess; disgruntled employee alleges something that probably happened but cant be proved.
I hope you're right, but according to the Times Picayune, Santini has claimed to have them on video stealing the pills.

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Holy crap.
 
Report states employee asked for a large some of money not to go public with the theft. Saints declined and he resigned. Doesn't mean Saints and Co. are not guilty. But, if you are a retired FBI agent working security, why don't you just resign. Saints are accusing him of extortion. Both side look bad at this point. My guess is no crime will be determined to exist. NFL view is another story.

 
Report states employee asked for a large some of money not to go public with the theft. Saints declined and he resigned. Doesn't mean Saints and Co. are not guilty. But, if you are a retired FBI agent working security, why don't you just resign. Saints are accusing him of extortion. Both side look bad at this point. My guess is no crime will be determined to exist. NFL view is another story.
It sounds like extortion to me. What struck me as odd was why he had the tapes which clearly were property of the Saints. He must have stole those tapes to extort money out of the Saints and then they fired him.
 
This really isn't that big of a deal. If it's true, Payton will come out and admit he has a problem, the NFL and the Saints will condemn his actions but lend him their support, he'll overcome the whole thing, then everyone will think he's a huge hero for having done so.

He'll end up further ahead than he'd be if the whole thing had never happened.

 
Pillgate™
:thumbup: We got a name now. Seriously, I will say as I did for Big Ben, Holmes, Marshall, and others who are accused, that unnamed sources are not reliable and that allegations are just that, allegations. That being said, if this turns out to be true then I will be very disappointed if the NFL sweeps it under the rug as they typically do with management issues. The double standard really bothers me because the leaders of the team should be held to an even higher standard.After reading the link to the TImes Picayune story I can tell you this is serious and it isn't going away easily. IF the allegations are true, then the GM is guilty of concealing and attempting to cover up a felony. That's big time serious. The security agent clearly had a motive besides greed and extortion to reveal this and not cover up because he knew how serious it was. If he indeed has pictures of someone stealing the pills and if he has audio tapes where senior management tells him to cover it up, then someone is going to be charged. One thing that concerns me is that this isn't just some disgrunted equipment manager--this guy is a very credible witness, a retired FBI agent. That's about as good as it gets. Could he be crooked and could he have attempted to extort? Of course. But normally a retired FBI agent would be considered grade 1A reliable and credible.
 
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Pillgate™
:thumbup: We got a name now. Seriously, I will say as I did for Big Ben, Holmes, Marshall, and others who are accused, that unnamed sources are not reliable and that allegations are just that, allegations. That being said, if this turns out to be true then I will be very disappointed if the NFL sweeps it under the rug as they typically do with management issues. The double standard really bothers me because the leaders of the team should be held to an even higher standard.After reading the link to the TImes Picayune story I can tell you this is serious and it isn't going away easily. IF the allegations are true, then the GM is guilty of concealing and attempting to cover up a felony. That's big time serious. The security agent clearly had a motive besides greed and extortion to reveal this and not cover up because he knew how serious it was. If he indeed has pictures of someone stealing the pills and if he has audio tapes where senior management tells him to cover it up, then someone is going to be charged. One thing that concerns me is that this isn't just some disgrunted equipment manager--this guy is a very credible witness, a retired FBI agent. That's about as good as it gets. Could he be crooked and could he have attempted to extort? Of course. But normally a retired FBI agent would be considered grade 1A reliable and credible.
Correct. And the scary thing is that I don't think a crooked FBI agent trying to extort money is going to make everything public and allow what he's doing to be investigated. Uh oh :lmao:
 
gianmarco said:
Correct. And the scary thing is that I don't think a crooked FBI agent trying to extort money is going to make everything public and allow what he's doing to be investigated. Uh oh :thumbup:
LMAO. Well, this much is true; he won't be jacked around as easily as a dumb bimbo 20 year old girl, that's for sure. There is also the very real possibility that BOTH he is a crook who tried to extort AND there was serious pill stealing going on AND the GM did try to cover it up. In fact, although it is just an opinion at this point, this seems most likely to me!
 
not jumping to conclusions...just my own observations... but I used to look at Payton on the side lines this past year (saw half dozen plus Saints games) and the ghoul look with huge dark circles around his eyes looking transfixed and medicated and I used to say "what is that Gothic look?" Almost like he spent the night down on the Quarter....

 
not jumping to conclusions...just my own observations... but I used to look at Payton on the side lines this past year (saw half dozen plus Saints games) and the ghoul look with huge dark circles around his eyes looking transfixed and medicated and I used to say "what is that Gothic look?" Almost like he spent the night down on the Quarter....
Came here to post this, I always thought he looked stoned.
 
I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV...and no Holiday Inn Express last night.

This is a civil suit, correct? What damage befell the guy? What is he suing for? I assume that he wants damages for losing his job over it... whatever that is called legally. It seems to me that it WOULD be a big deal if it was criminal and the cops were busting him here, but that's not the case. No "crime" is being prosecuted. It's apparently only a civil matter. Help us out legal guys.

Furthermore, when it comes to the NFL there is an entirely different realm of ... lets call it "law". A law that transcends both civil and criminal matters.

 
LTF said:
CaptainHook said:
sounds like a whole lot of nothing
With the precedent Goodell set with Roethlisberger, he really doesn't need much more to go on to implement a suspension. Just needs some details of an allegation, and that's pretty much it.
The "Roethlisberger has been crucified for no reason at all" thread is a couple pages back.
 
I don't know where I stand on this situation yet. I'll need to wait until more information comes out before I can honestly say what my personal thoughts are. Obviously if this did occur, then people need to and most likely will be held accountable. However, this all started late in the summer of 2009, and both the NFL and States Attorney were made aware of the situation. Since nothing has come of it from those two entities thus far makes me think that nothing will ever come of it on that front.

What bothers me though is a few things. The most bothersome part is that the ex-FBI agent, who many say are credible just because of his ex-FBI status, allegedly attempted to extort money to keep his mouth shut. If true, that completely destroys any credibility he had in my opinion. Also bothersome is that this is in Civil court and the ex-FBI agent is looking for punitive damages for willingly quitting his job. Right now it just seems like there's a lot of allegations coming from both sides and until we get more information to determine what is completely true, partially true, and just complete BS; it's nearly impossible to try and determine what the outcomes even could be, let alone will be. And since this is in Civil court, I believe that there can't be an ongoing Criminal case, but I could be wrong about that. And the NFL normally moves very quickly nowadays regarding situations like these when they think something wrong has been done, so I think there might be nothing coming from that end either.

Now the biggest issue I have with this whole thing goes back to PFT themselves. They are notorious for not only passing along rumors, but creating them as well. The original article from the Times Picayune, and every other report I've read, says nothing about Sean Payton being involved. To the contrary, the original article says PFT is the only source reporting Payton's involvement and they of course say that this information is "based on extensive discussions with multiple sources having knowledge of the situation but who have requested anonymity". Of course that's where PFT, and only PFT, got the information and of course they can't disclose who these "multiple" people were. This has the potential to be a major news story, and even bigger if Sean Payton is actually involved; yet the only place to get the information from these "multiple" sources if PFT. I find that very hard to believe, especially given their track record. Not to mention that all of the other reports and the lawsuit itself indicates that it was two senior staff members and many reporters seem to believe that this is referring to operational individuals and not coaches because had it been a coach, the lawsuit would say coach and not senior staff members. Of course this is speculation as well, but it further detracts from PFT stating that one of the senior staff members is allegedly Sean Payton himself.

 
...Now the biggest issue I have with this whole thing goes back to PFT themselves. They are notorious for not only passing along rumors, but creating them as well. The original article from the Times Picayune, and every other report I've read, says nothing about Sean Payton being involved. To the contrary, the original article says PFT is the only source reporting Payton's involvement and they of course say that this information is "based on extensive discussions with multiple sources having knowledge of the situation but who have requested anonymity". Of course that's where PFT, and only PFT, got the information and of course they can't disclose who these "multiple" people were. This has the potential to be a major news story, and even bigger if Sean Payton is actually involved; yet the only place to get the information from these "multiple" sources if PFT. I find that very hard to believe, especially given their track record. Not to mention that all of the other reports and the lawsuit itself indicates that it was two senior staff members and many reporters seem to believe that this is referring to operational individuals and not coaches because had it been a coach, the lawsuit would say coach and not senior staff members. Of course this is speculation as well, but it further detracts from PFT stating that one of the senior staff members is allegedly Sean Payton himself.
Very good point. I don't want to get into a political battle here but it's similar to the National Enquirer's Obama mistress headline today.
 
In response to sweeping Executive bad doings under the rug, I know I may very well be out of the loop but didnt the Texans or Titans owner get fined 250K last year just for flipping the bird at Bills fans???

Howmuch did Vick get fined for doing the same thing?

Just playing devils advocate but it appears that Goodell definitely holds the higher ups accountable as well.

Or maybe it was just cause he was there. I dunno, I been drinking.

 
...What bothers me though is a few things. The most bothersome part is that the ex-FBI agent, who many say are credible just because of his ex-FBI status, allegedly attempted to extort money to keep his mouth shut. If true, that completely destroys any credibility he had in my opinion. ...
Really? I think it makes his story that much more believable. He was apparently so principled that he did not cave from his 2 million dollar demand, even as the Saints were prepared to negotiate with a low six figure offer, and now has followed through with the second half of his ultimatum. Why should he not make money off of knowing what he knew? These coaches always breaking laws and getting away with them has got to stop. The fact that he was given a chance to get away scott free for the low price of two million dollars is only more damning in my eyes of their guilt and greed.
 
not jumping to conclusions...just my own observations... but I used to look at Payton on the side lines this past year (saw half dozen plus Saints games) and the ghoul look with huge dark circles around his eyes looking transfixed and medicated and I used to say "what is that Gothic look?" Almost like he spent the night down on the Quarter....
Came here to post this, I always thought he looked stoned.
Agree. I've seen him a few times on TV and thought he looked sick or something. He definitely looked worse than a young healthy guy his age should look. And people need to realize this COULD be HUGE. You don't get away with dealing in prescription narcotics. The Feds will investigate this to the hilt and they WILL find out who did what, and fully prosecute those involved, no matter what their position.
 
I don't know where I stand on this situation yet. I'll need to wait until more information comes out before I can honestly say what my personal thoughts are. Obviously if this did occur, then people need to and most likely will be held accountable. However, this all started late in the summer of 2009, and both the NFL and States Attorney were made aware of the situation. Since nothing has come of it from those two entities thus far makes me think that nothing will ever come of it on that front. What bothers me though is a few things. The most bothersome part is that the ex-FBI agent, who many say are credible just because of his ex-FBI status, allegedly attempted to extort money to keep his mouth shut. If true, that completely destroys any credibility he had in my opinion. Also bothersome is that this is in Civil court and the ex-FBI agent is looking for punitive damages for willingly quitting his job. Right now it just seems like there's a lot of allegations coming from both sides and until we get more information to determine what is completely true, partially true, and just complete BS; it's nearly impossible to try and determine what the outcomes even could be, let alone will be. And since this is in Civil court, I believe that there can't be an ongoing Criminal case, but I could be wrong about that. And the NFL normally moves very quickly nowadays regarding situations like these when they think something wrong has been done, so I think there might be nothing coming from that end either. Now the biggest issue I have with this whole thing goes back to PFT themselves. They are notorious for not only passing along rumors, but creating them as well. The original article from the Times Picayune, and every other report I've read, says nothing about Sean Payton being involved. To the contrary, the original article says PFT is the only source reporting Payton's involvement and they of course say that this information is "based on extensive discussions with multiple sources having knowledge of the situation but who have requested anonymity". Of course that's where PFT, and only PFT, got the information and of course they can't disclose who these "multiple" people were. This has the potential to be a major news story, and even bigger if Sean Payton is actually involved; yet the only place to get the information from these "multiple" sources if PFT. I find that very hard to believe, especially given their track record. Not to mention that all of the other reports and the lawsuit itself indicates that it was two senior staff members and many reporters seem to believe that this is referring to operational individuals and not coaches because had it been a coach, the lawsuit would say coach and not senior staff members. Of course this is speculation as well, but it further detracts from PFT stating that one of the senior staff members is allegedly Sean Payton himself.
Very well said. This is pretty much why my first reaction was that it's a whole lot of nothing.
 
Guess this is the story of the week for the NFL. Seems like every week there's a new scandal. Regardless I'm sure it'll pass soon whether there's any validity to it and /or charges, fines or suspenions handed out. People will end up forgetting about it in short order as is the case with a lot of stuff that goes on around the NFL. Seems to me that Brett Favre at one point had a taste for Vicodin. The story traveled it's way through the NFL and the media and shortly thereafter people just kinda forgot about it. Sad for sure but such is the nature of the beast and the business of professional football. My guess is once the ball's snapped in the first game of the 2010 season no one or very few will even remember this. Then again it could blow up and become a big deal. We'll have to wait and see but my opinion is it'll get it's coverage from the media and then will be forgotten about without very much Hoo-Hah.

 
ESPN (AP) story fwiw:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5153943

NEW ORLEANS -- Less than three months after their thrilling victory in the Super Bowl, the New Orleans Saints have been accused by their former security director of trying to cover up the theft of prescription pain pills from the club's drug locker.

One of those involved was head coach Sean Payton, two people familiar with the case told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the suit. Payton and the Saints denied the allegations, and Payton was not named in court papers.

A lawyer with knowledge of the situation said that the New Orleans office of the Drug Enforcement Administration had begun an investigation into the allegation of a break-in of the Saints' medical cabinets with Vicodin stolen. The lawyer told ESPN investigative reporter Mark Fainaru-Wada that the DEA's investigation involved allegations that members of the coaching staff were implicated in the break-in.

The lawyer did not say which coaches were under suspicion. The lawyer had no knowledge of the state of the DEA's investigation. ESPN called the DEA's New Orleans office Saturday night, but the call was not immediately returned.

The lawsuit, filed Friday by Geoffrey Santini, a former FBI agent who resigned from the club in August 2009, alleged one senior staff member stole Vicodin pills while another was given an amount large enough to constitute abuse.

The suit did not name the staff members. However, the two people familiar with the case said Payton allegedly was allowed to take a large quantity of pills from the team supply, and another staff member allegedly stole pills. No allegations were made against any Saints players, the two people said.

Saints spokesman Greg Bensel said the allegations are false and the club will aggressively defend itself in court. And Payton, who was at his vacation home in Watercolor, Fla., on Saturday, denied any wrongdoing.

"I have reviewed Geoff Santini's lawsuit and the unwarranted publicity it has received," Payton said in a statement released by the team. "I have never abused or stolen Vicodin or any other medication and I fully support the Saints' position in this matter."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said that while the league had not read the complaint, "we are aware of the lawsuit and that the Saints reject the claims as false."

The theft of Vicodin, a narcotic used to relieve moderate to severe pain, is a state and federal offense. Any attempt to cover up such a theft also could constitute a state or federal crime. Failure to report a felony also is a federal crime.

Santini's attorney, Donald Hyatt II, said he was not aware if any criminal charges had been filed. He said if there was a sealed indictment it would not have been made public.

Santini reported the possible violations to federal authorities on June 23, 2009. He resigned from the Saints on Aug. 16, 2009, and first alerted the Saints of his intent to sue the club on Sept. 14, Hyatt said.

Santini worked 31 years for the FBI. His lawsuit says he resigned from the Saints because of a disagreement over the team's handling of the Vicodin episode.

Santini is seeking damages and back pay.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

 
Guess this is the story of the week for the NFL. Seems like every week there's a new scandal. Regardless I'm sure it'll pass soon whether there's any validity to it and /or charges, fines or suspenions handed out. People will end up forgetting about it in short order as is the case with a lot of stuff that goes on around the NFL. Seems to me that Brett Favre at one point had a taste for Vicodin. The story traveled it's way through the NFL and the media and shortly thereafter people just kinda forgot about it. Sad for sure but such is the nature of the beast and the business of professional football. My guess is once the ball's snapped in the first game of the 2010 season no one or very few will even remember this. Then again it could blow up and become a big deal. We'll have to wait and see but my opinion is it'll get it's coverage from the media and then will be forgotten about without very much Hoo-Hah.
Favre abused Vicotin. But was he stealing it? Stealing it makes this a serious story. And even worse, the team covering up the theft. As is often the case, the cover up could prove to be a bigger story than the crime itself. Attempting to cover up a felony is a very serious crime.
 
Guess this is the story of the week for the NFL. Seems like every week there's a new scandal. Regardless I'm sure it'll pass soon whether there's any validity to it and /or charges, fines or suspenions handed out. People will end up forgetting about it in short order as is the case with a lot of stuff that goes on around the NFL. Seems to me that Brett Favre at one point had a taste for Vicodin. The story traveled it's way through the NFL and the media and shortly thereafter people just kinda forgot about it. Sad for sure but such is the nature of the beast and the business of professional football. My guess is once the ball's snapped in the first game of the 2010 season no one or very few will even remember this. Then again it could blow up and become a big deal. We'll have to wait and see but my opinion is it'll get it's coverage from the media and then will be forgotten about without very much Hoo-Hah.
Favre abused Vicotin. But was he stealing it? Stealing it makes this a serious story. And even worse, the team covering up the theft. As is often the case, the cover up could prove to be a bigger story than the crime itself. Attempting to cover up a felony is a very serious crime.
Correct me if I'm mistaken (and I very well may be), but wasn't Favre obtaining it through some other illegal means?
 
This really isn't that big of a deal. If it's true, Payton will come out and admit he has a problem, the NFL and the Saints will condemn his actions but lend him their support, he'll overcome the whole thing, then everyone will think he's a huge hero for having done so. He'll end up further ahead than he'd be if the whole thing had never happened.
And Goodell will say we all make mistakes, no big deal carry on Payton.Dream on this is a BIG DEAL, and if true PAYTON's future is muddy at best as a head coach. Drugs is one thing, but STEALING is another, especially from your BOSS.
 
ESPN (AP) story fwiw:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5153943

....The suit did not name the staff members. However, the two people familiar with the case said Payton allegedly was allowed to take a large quantity of pills from the team supply, and another staff member allegedly stole pills. No allegations were made against any Saints players, the two people said.

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"I have reviewed Geoff Santini's lawsuit and the unwarranted publicity it has received," Payton said in a statement released by the team. "I have never abused or stolen Vicodin or any other medication and I fully support the Saints' position in this matter."
Here are the key elements of the story for those of you that have trouble reading between the lines. Obviously, the training staff allowed Payton to take these pills. The other staff member is the person in trouble here.
 
This is only "theft" (criminally speaking) is there is a victim. What if the Saints wish to deal with the situation internally and do not want Law Enforcement involved?

Obviously the DEA have already been involved, but the "theft" implications can go away by the Saints simply choosing not to be a victim of a crime.

 
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This is only "theft" (criminally speaking) is there is a victim. What if the Saints wish to deal with the situation internally and do not want Law Enforcement involved? Obviously the DEA have already been involved, but the "theft" implications can go away by the Saints simply choosing not to be a victim of a crime.
You need a prescription to legally obtain Vicodin. If Payton took it - even with the Saints permission - then he still committed a crime.
 
Guess this is the story of the week for the NFL. Seems like every week there's a new scandal. Regardless I'm sure it'll pass soon whether there's any validity to it and /or charges, fines or suspenions handed out. People will end up forgetting about it in short order as is the case with a lot of stuff that goes on around the NFL. Seems to me that Brett Favre at one point had a taste for Vicodin. The story traveled it's way through the NFL and the media and shortly thereafter people just kinda forgot about it. Sad for sure but such is the nature of the beast and the business of professional football. My guess is once the ball's snapped in the first game of the 2010 season no one or very few will even remember this. Then again it could blow up and become a big deal. We'll have to wait and see but my opinion is it'll get it's coverage from the media and then will be forgotten about without very much Hoo-Hah.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall that Favre ever stole any Vicodin. I also think there is more scrutiny placed on proper handling of narcotic pain medication today than there was 15 years ago when that happened with Favre. The two situations are apples and oranges IMO.
 
This is only "theft" (criminally speaking) is there is a victim. What if the Saints wish to deal with the situation internally and do not want Law Enforcement involved? Obviously the DEA have already been involved, but the "theft" implications can go away by the Saints simply choosing not to be a victim of a crime.
You need a prescription to legally obtain Vicodin. If Payton took it - even with the Saints permission - then he still committed a crime.
First, I was addressing the "theft" aspects that many were raising in this thread. Secondly, I don't know Louisiana Criminal Code and whether they have a statute that deals with "obtaining" prescription medication. Peyton certainly couldn't be charged with "possession" unless he was caught possessing the narcotics without a prescription. You can't be charged with possession after the fact, you either are possessing it or you are not.
 

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