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I think your confusing owning with MOANING. I would take Harrison, Holt and Steve Smith everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.And this is the first time I have EVER agreed with Sean Salisbury. I root for the studio to explode when he and Irvin are in it.
I wouldn't call Marc Bulger or Jake Delhomme "stud QBs," but Tory Holt and Steve Smith seem to "own" all the time just fine. But feel free to continue to make excuses for TO.
Yeah, Donovan McNabb stinks
If he concentrated as much on catching the ball as he does on getting publicity perhaps I'd agree with you. The best WR in the game doesn't repeatedly drop sure TD's and key first downs on perfectly delivered balls. He's done it for years.
Um... what?That one dude said that Owens would dominate if he had a stud QB. My point was that Holt and Smith dominate with QBs who aren't studs, so why can't Owens, if he's on their level?Or were you taking my side, and I'm just to slow to pick up on it?Yeah, Donovan McNabb stinks
I believe he was taking your side (or I'm just as slow)Um... what?That one dude said that Owens would dominate if he had a stud QB. My point was that Holt and Smith dominate with QBs who aren't studs, so why can't Owens, if he's on their level?Or were you taking my side, and I'm just to slow to pick up on it?Yeah, Donovan McNabb stinks
I take it that the "S" in your avatar stands for "Sharpie", eh?
Owning Irvin in intellectual discussion = bringing gun to a knife fight.
Sean Salisbury owning Michael Irvin in an intellectual conversation = a pillow fightOwning Irvin in intellectual discussion = bringing gun to a knife fight.
And yet we all watched and spent a few hours talking about them. TV producers are brilliant spawns of Satan.
.....or like beating Forrest Gump in a spelling bee.Sean Salisbury owning Michael Irvin in an intellectual conversation = a pillow fightOwning Irvin in intellectual discussion = bringing gun to a knife fight.
Fixed it for ya.
Wow! I'd say Owens playing 4 years with Steve Yound and 1.5 years with Donovan McNabb as having the chance to play with Stud QBs. Unless you consider the HOFer Young a chump?Not to mention Owens best years were with a chump named Jeff Garcia.This argument is just silly!
I went back to '00 to see how #88 did in playoff game career averages:5.4 Catches/Game101 Yards/Game0.4 TDs per game
It looks to me like he is easily on pace with TO. What is your point?
your argument is silly actually... when owens played with young and mcnabb, AKA "stud" qbs, he was arguably the best or one of the best wrs in the league... and to further underscore your argument, owens made garcia, AKA the "chump", a pro bowl caliber QB...
Man you talk fast.
True, but the Bledsoe from 10 seasons ago no longer exists..He is still an elite WR, and if he were playing with Manning, McNabb, etc...his stats would be on par with any WR in the game...If you don't think is the case, so be it, but from a talent standpoint, no WR is above him...Of course, the two idiots arguing on ESPN seem to think that there is always a cut and dry "best", which simply isn't the case...and to say Irvin was owned for claiming Owens is as good as Smith is a joke...of course, his reputation gets in the way, but I don't disagree with this particular statement.Up until 3 weeks ago, every QB he played with had been to the pro bowl.
Torry Holt playoffs: Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1999 min W,49-37 | 0 0 0 | 6 65 0 1999 tam W,11-6 | 0 0 0 | 7 68 0*1999 ten W,23-16 | 0 0 0 | 7 109 1 2000 nor L,28-31 | 0 0 0 | 2 26 0 2001 gnb W,45-17 | 0 0 0 | 5 84 1 2001 phi W,29-24 | 0 0 0 | 5 58 0*2001 nwe L,17-20 | 0 0 0 | 5 49 0 2003 car L,23-29 | 0 0 0 | 2 21 0 2004 sea W,27-20 | 0 0 0 | 6 108 1 2004 atl L,17-47 | 0 0 0 | 2 42 1---------------------+-----------------+-----------------TOTAL | 0 0 0 | 47 630 4Harrison playoffs '032003 den W,41-10 | 0 0 0 | 7 133 2 2003 kan W,38-31 | 0 0 0 | 6 98 0 2003 nwe L,14-24 | 0 0 0 | 3 19 0
And they were talking about who is the best WR this year - I don't think a good case can be made for TO this year, only excuses.True, but the Bledsoe from 10 seasons ago no longer exists..He is still an elite WR, and if he were playing with Manning, McNabb, etc...his stats would be on par with any WR in the game...If you don't think is the case, so be it, but from a talent standpoint, no WR is above him...Of course, the two idiots arguing on ESPN seem to think that there is always a cut and dry "best", which simply isn't the case...and to say Irvin was owned for claiming Owens is as good as Smith is a joke...of course, his reputation gets in the way, but I don't disagree with this particular statement.
10 years from now, all TO will be remembered for is a team wrecker! He didn't make a difference in any playoff game that I can remember. I'll remember him most for walking up and down the sideline berating his QB on multiple teams.Well, that and attempting suicide. He failed at that too BTW. Here is the record YTD for suicide attempts amongst the WRs mentioned in this thread:TO 0-1Harrison 0-0Holt 0-0S. Smith 0-0But, heck, I guess you gotta give him credit for trying! Now that was memorable.
Fixored
That explosion would be good for all of us...Steve Smith is great, but people aren't talking about his 3 drops very much. he had a TO game and it cost them the game as well.Holt is so darn consistent and the best route runner in the game. Harrison has/had more top end speed and is also a great route runner.
The best post in this thread.
I agree.Why are people always trying to figure out who ise the "best". Which is better, an apple or an orange?
Look, I am not going to argue that TO isn't a great receiver when he is on the field (which hasn't been as often as TO owners would like), but you can't say he had the great game in a blowout so it didn't matter. if he didn't have the great game you never know the outcome. You also have to understand that Harrison gets the double teams and in the ONE game you talked about TO, he was single covered by Jason Sehorn who was toasted time and time again and for some reason the Giants never gave Sehorn any help. This was perhaps one of the dumbest decisions ever by a coach. I have watched this game many times and it was almost stupid that Sehorn who toasted most of the year was allowed to cover TO one on one. I have no idea what the Giants were doing, but it seemed like there was some money being thrown around to allow that as it was ludicrous.I like oranges, plenty of Vitamin C which is important this time of year as I do not want to catch the flu.TO is also the only reciever mentioned that has cost his team 2 wins due to a drops where Romo hit him IN THE HANDS and he dropped it.
Coming into this season, Holt has had 6 straight seasons of at least 80 catches AND at least 1,300 receiving yards. Owens has not had 1,300 yards since the 2002 season. He hasn't caught at least 80 balls since 2003. Since 2003, Holt has scored 38 touchdowns. Owens has scored 35.
All 4 of these guys are a headache for defensive coordinators. I say they are 1a thru 1d. How could you argue with any of their stats and say one is better than the other. I guess I just don't get the concept of Michael Irvin and the ESPN talking heads that one receiver is "hands down" better than the other. 
Go back and check out Marvin's stats in the games against New England...or Pitt last year.Every time they lose, he is invisible. Maybe they gog hand in hand, I don't know.
I concur with your statement. The poster said that Owens would be great with a stud QB, and I always thought that McNabb was a stud QB.Um... what?That one dude said that Owens would dominate if he had a stud QB. My point was that Holt and Smith dominate with QBs who aren't studs, so why can't Owens, if he's on their level?Or were you taking my side, and I'm just to slow to pick up on it?Yeah, Donovan McNabb stinks
This is boarderline defamation...college sophmores 
