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Season Ending Injuries Changing FF League Landscape (1 Viewer)

Insein

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I don't know about others but all these season ending injuries have certainly reshaped how my leagues are looking. The guy in first place in my league is 8-0 with the most points so far but just lost Allen and Bell thus week. His roster doesn't even look like a playoff one without them.

In another league, guy had Charles, Foster, Dez and Allen. He is 6-2 but it ain't looking so hot now.

Suddenly those that were stuck at 3-5 or 4-4 have a shot to squeak in and do some damage. It's one of the more exciting seasons I can remember in awhile.

 
Yeah I find it a lot more interesting when teams make smart roster moves and are rewarded for them.

 
Yep, injuries are killing teams this year. I'm doing okay in both my leagues up till now and just lost Bell and Allen in both of them. It makes the whole experience a lot less fun. It's still possible to grind it out and maybe hit that gem on the wire and get back in it but it's a real buzz kill when your two main studs go down in one week. My interest in fantasy football is now about 90% daily and 10% season long.

 
How many teams are in the league where an 8-0 team loses 2 players and now looks like it's not even a playoff team?

 
That's how I'm starting to feel. I put all this work in and score more than any other team. Then this week my team and playoff hopes are crushed because of injury. It's happened to me 3 years in a row. It gets old after a while.

 
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Insein said:
I don't know about others but all these season ending injuries have certainly reshaped how my leagues are looking. The guy in first place in my league is 8-0 with the most points so far but just lost Allen and Bell thus week. His roster doesn't even look like a playoff one without them.

In another league, guy had Charles, Foster, Dez and Allen. He is 6-2 but it ain't looking so hot now.

Suddenly those that were stuck at 3-5 or 4-4 have a shot to squeak in and do some damage. It's one of the more exciting seasons I can remember in awhile.
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:no: i would classify it as depressing. others have it worse, but i am a Charles, Foster, and allen owner. it is really tough in 14 and 16 team leagues, and it is hard to figure out how to bounce back from all those lost points. i think i'm just salty, but the playoffs look like a 1 and done unless i can get lucky

 
I used to think injuries were bad especially if you lost the player, of course it sucks but then it is up to you to move on and replace those points. It's all stats someone will get them, outmaneuver your league to collect the stat players preemptively for success.

 
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bb7278 said:
I used to think injuries were bad especially if you lost the player of course it sucks but then it is up to you to replace those points. It's all stats someone will get them, outmaneuver you league to collect the stat players preemptively for success.
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Can someone translate this?
 
Ilov80s said:
bb7278 said:
I used to think injuries were bad especially if you lost the player of course it sucks but then it is up to you to replace those points. It's all stats someone will get them, outmaneuver you league to collect the stat players preemptively for success.
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Can someone translate this?
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"Pick up and start the waiver wire player who you think will score the most points."

 
Sharks see chum in ANY water....Guppies only like to feed when the seas are calm. Get busy swimming and hunting or sink to the bottom.

 
Having the best guy right now is almost never more important than depth when it comes to winning titles. In the preseason you'd have traded your whole draft to lock up Andrew luck, Eddie lacy, cj Anderson, Jeremy hill, Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas and Jimmy graham, and you'd have paid double the entry fee to be allowed to do it.

By midseason, you'd have given all those guys and more to get Tom Brady, Devonta Freeman, Doug Martin, Todd Gurley, DeAndre Hopkins, Julian Edelman, Amari cooper and Tyler Eifert. All mid round guys who way exceeded most expectations.

But you'd also have paid to get Tony Romo, Jamaal Charles, leveon bell, Keenan Allen, Dez bryant, Steve Smith sr, and Antonio gates. Bad luck just devastated a team like that.

But you could still have rebounded with Andy Dalton, dion Lewis, Charcandrick west, DeAngelo Williams, Stefon Diggs, Rishard Matthews, and some guy named barn ridge or something. All available on waivers or very late.

What's the moral to that story? Get lucky on waivers and try to take guys who do better than expected and don't get hurt? Yeah. That helps.

But the real takeaway to me is that depth is more important than anything. Don't start consolidating your good players into studs now, because they might not seem like studs in a month. Some of the guys I just listed will fade away. All those massive changes to the fantasy landscape just happened in a month and a half, and it's still two months into week 16. Get as many quality players as possible, and load up on high upside guys who can turn things around. Consolidate your low upside or bottom of the roster guys into better prospects so you can free up waiver wire slots. Consolidate at the trade deadline or as close to it as possible. Obviously your truly elite guys - Julio, gronk, Rodgers, maybe Peterson - can go wire to wire, but most guys won't. Depth and churn are the keys to championships.

 
bostonfred said:
Having the best guy right now is almost never more important than depth when it comes to winning titles. In the preseason you'd have traded your whole draft to lock up Andrew luck, Eddie lacy, cj Anderson, Jeremy hill, Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas and Jimmy graham, and you'd have paid double the entry fee to be allowed to do it.

By midseason, you'd have given all those guys and more to get Tom Brady, Devonta Freeman, Doug Martin, Todd Gurley, DeAndre Hopkins, Julian Edelman, Amari cooper and Tyler Eifert. All mid round guys who way exceeded most expectations.

But you'd also have paid to get Tony Romo, Jamaal Charles, leveon bell, Keenan Allen, Dez bryant, Steve Smith sr, and Antonio gates. Bad luck just devastated a team like that.

But you could still have rebounded with Andy Dalton, dion Lewis, Charcandrick west, DeAngelo Williams, Stefon Diggs, Rishard Matthews, and some guy named barn ridge or something. All available on waivers or very late.

What's the moral to that story? Get lucky on waivers and try to take guys who do better than expected and don't get hurt? Yeah. That helps.

But the real takeaway to me is that depth is more important than anything. Don't start consolidating your good players into studs now, because they might not seem like studs in a month. Some of the guys I just listed will fade away. All those massive changes to the fantasy landscape just happened in a month and a half, and it's still two months into week 16. Get as many quality players as possible, and load up on high upside guys who can turn things around. Consolidate your low upside or bottom of the roster guys into better prospects so you can free up waiver wire slots. Consolidate at the trade deadline or as close to it as possible. Obviously your truly elite guys - Julio, gronk, Rodgers, maybe Peterson - can go wire to wire, but most guys won't. Depth and churn are the keys to championships.
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Really disagree. It takes luck to win and a big part of that luck is avoiding injuries to key players.. Just like real football. If you sacrifice top performers for depth, you are more often than not going to just be average. Maybe you won't suck, but you won't be great either.
 
I love it personally. I love working the wire, working trades, making risky spot starts, etc. Whatever it takes to make my team better. I've won it all when I pretty much won the draft and sat back and I've won it all when I clawed my way back from injuries with some smart moves. A lot more satisfying the 2nd way.

 
Raback said:
I love it personally. I love working the wire, working trades, making risky spot starts, etc. Whatever it takes to make my team better. I've won it all when I pretty much won the draft and sat back and I've won it all when I clawed my way back from injuries with some smart moves. A lot more satisfying the 2nd way.
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sure, but there is a limit to how many injuries a team can take. I have grabbed Snead, Lewis, Diggs, and Jordan Reed all off the waiver in my 14 team league. but losing Charles, Foster and Allen is a little too much to overcome. i am sure i am just debbie downer tonight cause of the news and will keep clawing back, but there is a limit i think to where you can bounce back from

ETA: where i think it gets you is that you have to literally hit on every single position. TE took my biggest hit so i had Rudolph and Ebron going into the season, but my picks of Wilson and Tannehill had to be must hits when you get multiple injuries, especially at 1 position

 
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Same thing every season.

Sometimes you can overcome the injuries but other times they are just to much I don't care who you are.

What bothers me more than anything, what can take the air out of a day, is the early in-game injury. That's not something you can manage no matter how much depth you might have.

 
Milkman said:
That's how I'm starting to feel. I put all this work in and score more than any other team. Then this week my team and playoff hopes are crushed because of injury. It's happened to me 3 years in a row. It gets old after a while.
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I'm sure that's how NFL players and teams feel. I lost Bell and Smith in two leagues. Never ever lost two players in one weekend before, but it's all part of the game. If anything, your senses are sharpened and you focus more now on trades and waiver wire. Maybe a little panic sets in, gets the adrenaline going again. Embrace it.

 
Haven't suffer any major injuries (knock on wood) and very happy with the team I drafted. I have only made 1 roster move from the WW (outside of replacing D And K).

But all my players go off in the same week. All of them. Then the next week they do diddly. It's killing me

 
This is a selling point for daily fantasy. I enjoy both season and daily but daily does provide a fresh start every week.

 
Injuries are a reality of FF and i wish I had known it before I made the commitment to my dynasty league. I knew there was injuries of course but I didn't realize I would lose my best player every year.

I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is next. No wait that would actually help me so that will never happen. No I'm going to win another game or two and squeak into the playoffs where I'll be crushed again by some guy starting Pierre Thomas and C. West and win zero dollars but the kicker is I'll draft late in the 1st round again.

Isn't this soooooo fun guys!

 
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Rogi said:
This is a selling point for daily fantasy. I enjoy both season and daily but daily does provide a fresh start every week.
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You can always tell who works for a daily company from how they word things. Anyways, injuries are a part of fantasy football, every day, every week, every year.

Sometimes they effect you negatively by losing a stud or positively buy giving a team that one player they needed off waivers.

It all evens itself out in the end. Maybe that guy who lost Charles early in the year is the guy that lands Williams now. We all know there are waiver wire gems the entire year no matter how bare the wire is, injuries make that a possibility.

 
Milkman said:
Injuries are a reality of FF and i wish I had known it before I made the commitment to my dynasty league. I knew there was injuries of course but I didn't realize I would lose my best player every year.

I'm sure Aaron Rodgers is next. No wait that would actually help me so that will never happen. No I'm going to win another game or two and squeak into the playoffs where I'll be crushed again by some guy starting Pierre Thomas and C. West and win zero dollars but the kicker is I'll draft late in the 1st round again.

Isn't this soooooo fun guys!
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I would argue that's one of the big advantages of dynasty. Even in a nightmare injury season you can have fun retooling your team for next year. Dump some of your veterans for picks. Go grab someone else's injured guys like Jordy. See if you can move Rodgers in a deal for leveon bell. Look for ways to improve other people's teams instead of your own, and get whatever you can from them. Use waivers to acquire trade bait or young potential instead of guys who might help you win a game or two them disappear. There's a whole other game for teams that get knocked out early. Some people like that other game too much - I'm in a league where we had five teams actively trying to lose by week 5. But people clearly know when they want to try and when they want to try to rebuild. It's all part of the game.
 
dirtyjay said:
Rogi said:
This is a selling point for daily fantasy. I enjoy both season and daily but daily does provide a fresh start every week.
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You can always tell who works for a daily company from how they word things.
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I said I enjoy daily FF therefore I must work for a daily company. Nice detective work.
 
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Injuries are bad, but at least there is some finality involved.

What's worse is a healthy top-rated player that is severely underperforming on a weekly basis.

 
Ilov80s said:
bostonfred said:
Having the best guy right now is almost never more important than depth when it comes to winning titles.

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Obviously your truly elite guys - Julio, gronk, Rodgers, maybe Peterson - can go wire to wire, but most guys won't. Depth and churn are the keys to championships.
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Really disagree. It takes luck to win and a big part of that luck is avoiding injuries to key players.. Just like real football. If you sacrifice top performers for depth, you are more often than not going to just be average. Maybe you won't suck, but you won't be great either.
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Look at the top rbs the rest of the way thread. There's some consensus around Gurley and freeman, but after that it's a mess. Peterson is third on a lot of lists, and didn't make the top 10 or 20 on others. Lynch is top 5 on some. Doesn't appear on others. Some guys like hill to rebound big. Others like charcandrick. Deangelo is all over the place. Miller, both the Murrays, McFadden - nobody knows where to rank any of those guys. If i have Peterson right now and i can move him for two of those guys, I do it all day long. And then I try to find someone who loves the guy I got and try to get two more.

Give me a bundle of good rbs over putting my eggs in one basket, every time. You have no idea who the hot RB will be in December. You can take a guess at who has good match ups but that changes fast too.

I'm not saying don't take good guys. I would love to have Gurley, and I'd pay the two for one price to get him if I could. Freeman looks legit too, but I'd only pay full price if I could get Coleman. But after that, those guys are all pretty similar right now. Take advantage of the fact that some people really like one more than another and try to add as many good guys as possible.

 
My league is interesting. I lost Bell last week but I had Williams so I feel ok there. I swear there are only 3 of us with healthy teams though and it's hard to even get a trade going because I'm not even sure what I'd be getting.

 
My 16 team dyno team has been snake bitten all season...

White, Parker, Foster, Martavis Bryant (susp), Nelson, Big Ben, Foster (again), now Allen goes down :s

Crappy part is I made a trade last week to push for a final playoff spot thinking I (finally) had my lineup together w/ BB's return. Bah.

Them's the breaks... Sometime's it's just not your year.

 
Chapelboy said:
I'm sure that's how NFL players and teams feel. I lost Bell and Smith in two leagues. Never ever lost two players in one weekend before, but it's all part of the game. If anything, your senses are sharpened and you focus more now on trades and waiver wire. Maybe a little panic sets in, gets the adrenaline going again. Embrace it.
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Yes.

I don't understand the "changing FF" thing. I didn't understand the thread about it last year. I won't understand the thread for it next year. It happens. Just play.

I've had it easy this year. Very deep benches (Zealots dynasty league) and just losing Forte at this point (and only for a few games?) while having the luxury of D. Williams on the bench to suddenly take his place with the injury to Bell.. Pure luck.

I've also been on the other side of it 7 years ago where I ended up starting 5 different QB's due to injuries. I twice had to trade for a QB that would actually play that week. You can imagine how poorly I did, but it's just part of the game.

 
bb7278 said:
I used to think injuries were bad especially if you lost the player, of course it sucks but then it is up to you to move on and replace those points. It's all stats someone will get them, outmaneuver your league to collect the stat players preemptively for success.
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Not so easy with a short bench in 12/14 team leagues.

I managed to snag Diggs, Carr and now Reed off waivers.

I lost Foster who was a 6th round pick that looked brilliant till he ruptured his achilles.

It's not easy when your dealing with massive injuries like some teams are. Sometimes you do have enough depth, but a lot of teams that have been winning (like mine 6-2) don't get the top of the waiver wire. In fact I have been at 11 and 12 every single week. I can't believe I managed to get Diggs (my WR2 now) 3 weeks ago as well as Carr (depth for Rodgers) and Reed (depth). I feel fortunate.

But back to topic.....it's been a brutal year...just brutal for injuries. As well as busts in the first 3 rounds. Lot's of them at this point.

 
ImTheScientist said:
It rewards people who make smart pickups and draft well.
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We can make all the smart pick ups we want. They can get hurt too. Typically those of us who have been playing this silly game as long as we have do make smart shark pickups.

It's bad luck when you get injuries. No way to predict them. Just no way. In this day and age of getting information I am shocked we can still compete. But somehow us long time hardcore FF owners stay a step ahead still.

It's a place like this that helps. We still have great members here giving great information. A lot more #### to wade through than ever before. But once you identify real deal posters....they can be fantasy gold.

Thank you to those that continue to post meaningful insight and share good information. And I know some of us get into it a little with each other. But the information shared here can be invaluable sometimes.

Let's raise a glass to the Shark Pool (I think?).

 
LittlePhatty said:
Injuries are bad, but at least there is some finality involved.

What's worse is a healthy top-rated player that is severely underperforming on a weekly basis.
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This is part of my problem. I took Eddy Lacy with my 2nd round pick. In this particular redraft league I got lucky and nabbed Leveon Bell on the turn in the 3rd. People were afraid of his 2 game suspension and some people thought his suspension would be longer. So I got lucky and waited it out on Bell with Lacy and some of my other flex players. Ended up going 2-0 in those games. Now I've lost Bell and Lacy is underperforming/nicked...not to mention Starks has looked better. I also lost Keenan Allen in this league so what started out as a "stacked" team ain't looking so hot right now. Antonio Brown was my first round pick so when Ben got hurt, he was of no help.

 
In one league I'm 8-0. Just lost Foster, Forte, Allen, Khiry, Steve Smith all in the last 2 weeks. Hoping to squeek into playoffs and then just fingers crossed to win a game.

 
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You're better off being 3-5 than 8-0, because waiver priority later in the season is more important for winning in the playoffs than winning games early.
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This one has got me these past two seasons. no rolling Waivers. Yes, I've made some silly mistakes - giving up on Martin a week too early, dropping Hillman and maybe Anderson for T Coleman was too cute a move but having lost Foster and being currently 6-2 from 6-1 I'm left with Ivory and collection of unstartable RBs and last place on the WW each week.

Other crap teams that drafted poorly and have been pretty bad on the WW up till now, suddenly land the replacement RBs on a weekly basis. Frustrating thing is, being aware of this problem I literally hovered over Deangelos ADD button last week and almost pulled the trigger.

 
Warpig said:
LittlePhatty said:
Injuries are bad, but at least there is some finality involved.

What's worse is a healthy top-rated player that is severely underperforming on a weekly basis.
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This is part of my problem. I took Eddy Lacy with my 2nd round pick. In this particular redraft league I got lucky and nabbed Leveon Bell on the turn in the 3rd. People were afraid of his 2 game suspension and some people thought his suspension would be longer. So I got lucky and waited it out on Bell with Lacy and some of my other flex players. Ended up going 2-0 in those games. Now I've lost Bell and Lacy is underperforming/nicked...not to mention Starks has looked better. I also lost Keenan Allen in this league so what started out as a "stacked" team ain't looking so hot right now. Antonio Brown was my first round pick so when Ben got hurt, he was of no help.
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Lacy in the 2nd and leveon in the 3rd?

What kind of league is this?

 
Thunderlips said:
Sharks see chum in ANY water....Guppies only like to feed when the seas are calm. Get busy swimming and hunting or sink to the bottom.
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Chum is what fishermen put in the water to attract sharks. So I am not sure where your analogy is going.Telling someone who loses a stud to go to the waiver wire as if that's a fix is a bit silly. There isn't a WR on the waiver wire or on Dallas' roster who can make up that loss in production when Dez goes down. And there isn't even a guarantee that the Charles owner can even land West given the various waiver wire formats. So saying that statistical production loss can be made up with waiver wire moves is nosense.

Now, I don't gnash my teeth over injuries because every owner faces those risks. But that does't mean that injuries don't absolutely change the tides and screw the owners that suffer them.

 
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