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[Wingnut]

We expected to blow them out, but they got the benefit of a few calls tonight throughout the game, and that helps you, especially on third down, Sherman said. We will see them again, and it will be a different result.

Sherman bringing the class.

http://sulia.com/m/mattbarrows/f/3dac7b83-28c9-4fd4-8772-3eae2a4b7cd6/?source=twitter&guid=3dac7b83-28c9-4fd4-8772-3eae2a4b7cd6

I'd love to see Boldin break Sherman in half.

 

[Bob Magaw]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.

Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

 

[drummer]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.

Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

I've already gone and listed the WR and TE corp and well as the back in another thread. I don't want to do this again. Using game one against GB to weigh Boldin and Kaep is a useless exercise, because one, it was the GB defense, and two, other teams can watch that film and adjust to it. In fact, it was such an anomaly that after looking at that game proved one true thing: that GB's defensive coordinator has his head up his rear end, and left Boldin wide open to focus more on Kaep running the ball, and selling his pass defense out.

I think anybody who reads my posts on the 49ers knows this: I am probably the biggest 49er critic on FBG. I just base my opinion on the realities of the team, the FO, the coaching, everything to the PR department, the local media, the fanbase, the owners, you name it. Hell, most of the 49er fans who used to call me a troll over the whole Smith vs. Kaep debate are gone now. Dr. Milk Carton especially. They probably left to go follow KC now lol. A lot of them weren't very bright, so it's nice to not have them around anymore.

The reality about the 49er passing game was back then under Smith to now with Kaep: it's been mediocre. The strange reality being that the 49ers historically have had good offenses: it hasn't even reached the levels of even Steve Mariucci's Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens offense since John York and Terry Donahue decided to butcher the franchise.

Think about that for a minute: as much as Harbaugh has turned the 49ers around from the mess created since the butchering of the franchise post Mooch, he still hasn't matched the passing offense of the Mooch era, even when Mooch had a 6-10 team. That's how much Terrell Owens had an impact post Rice.

The 49ers on offense lacks speed and depth. Period. That's on Trent Baalke. That deep RB squad? Please. Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James can't even make one backup RB combined. TE's? Davis is the only solid one they have, and they have to line him up now at WR. There are guys on NBA benches that have more playing minutes already this season than a large part of the WR corp. Two WRs Kaep had worked with this off-season have been shipped to KC during this season in AJ Jenkins and Kyle Williams. Rookie Quentin Patton has been hurt all season, Crabtree got hurt during camp or pre-season (I forget at the moment), and Manningham has finally been able to get on the field after a long injury sabbatical.

So think how many targets Kaep had in camp and the pre-season, and how many are left from that. That's why he leans on the veteran WR in Boldin, the veteran TE/WR in Davis, and his fullback lol. Harbaugh doesn't even trust a lot of the other WR's he has, and the other TE's can't even make up one Delanie Walker.

 

[mad sweeney]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.

Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

I've already gone and listed the WR and TE corp and well as the back in another thread. I don't want to do this again. Using game one against GB to weigh Boldin and Kaep is a useless exercise, because one, it was the GB defense, and two, other teams can watch that film and adjust to it. In fact, it was such an anomaly that after looking at that game proved one true thing: that GB's defensive coordinator has his head up his rear end, and left Boldin wide open to focus more on Kaep running the ball, and selling his pass defense out.

I think anybody who reads my posts on the 49ers knows this: I am probably the biggest 49er critic on FBG. I just base my opinion on the realities of the team, the FO, the coaching, everything to the PR department, the local media, the fanbase, the owners, you name it. Hell, most of the 49er fans who used to call me a troll over the whole Smith vs. Kaep debate are gone now. Dr. Milk Carton especially. They probably left to go follow KC now lol. A lot of them weren't very bright, so it's nice to not have them around anymore.

The reality about the 49er passing game was back then under Smith to now with Kaep: it's been mediocre. The strange reality being that the 49ers historically have had good offenses: it hasn't even reached the levels of even Steve Mariucci's Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens offense since John York and Terry Donahue decided to butcher the franchise.

Think about that for a minute: as much as Harbaugh has turned the 49ers around from the mess created since the butchering of the franchise post Mooch, he still hasn't matched the passing offense of the Mooch era, even when Mooch had a 6-10 team. That's how much Terrell Owens had an impact post Rice.

The 49ers on offense lacks speed and depth. Period. That's on Trent Baalke. That deep RB squad? Please. Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James can't even make one backup RB combined. TE's? Davis is the only solid one they have, and they have to line him up now at WR. There are guys on NBA benches that have more playing minutes already this season than a large part of the WR corp. Two WRs Kaep had worked with this off-season have been shipped to KC during this season in AJ Jenkins and Kyle Williams. Rookie Quentin Patton has been hurt all season, Crabtree got hurt during camp or pre-season (I forget at the moment), and Manningham has finally been able to get on the field after a long injury sabbatical.

So think how many targets Kaep had in camp and the pre-season, and how many are left from that. That's why he leans on the veteran WR in Boldin, the veteran TE/WR in Davis, and his fullback lol. Harbaugh doesn't even trust a lot of the other WR's he has, and the other TE's can't even make up one Delanie Walker.

I laugh at the suggestion that Harbaugh had a dearth of talent when he inherited the team. Guy had multiple All Pros on both sides of the ball when he stepped in.

 

[ImTheScientist]

GG, really do need Harvin if the hawks are to win it all though. They need more explosive plays.

 

[proninja]

You all are tripping.

Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well.

This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller.

Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes.

He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment.

If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Are you saying the Seahawks' group of receivers/OL is a lot worse? Keep in mind that Wilson has been without over half (and a couple pro bowlers) on the OL for most of the year. Oh yeah, also his top 2 wideouts.

Before you bring the "everyone has been hurt" argument out, just realize that Wilson has lost more talent to injury than Kaepernick. Kaep's defense is just about as good. His running game is just about as good. The 49ers are an excellent team. Swap Wilson and Kaepernick and you'd probably have the records swapped.

It's no insult to Kaepernick to say that he's not at Wilson's level. There's no need to make excuses as to why he isn't there. Very few QB's in history have been Wilson's equal at this stage of his career, and we shouldn't use him as the new expectation, because nobody is probably going to meet that expectation for a long time. He's a ridiculously mature, polished QB who happened to come into a team with a lot of talent in an exceptional situation without a good QB to sit behind. It's been the perfect storm.

Kaepernick is going to be a very good QB in this league. I wish the 9ers still had Alex Smith. As a Seahawks fan, I'm not looking forward to dealing with him twice (or three times) a year for the next decade. Don't do him the disservice of expecting him to be Russell Wilson.

 

[fantasycurse42]

GG, really do need Harvin if the hawks are to win it all though. They need more explosive plays.

This is false - They don't "need" Harvin to win it all... Sure if he is healthy he helps, but he isn't make or break.

Great QB, RB, & enough talent to support them.

The road goes through Seattle to the Super Bowl and they won't face a defense outside of Seattle as good as Car or SF.

 

[mad sweeney]

First there was the idiot lady writing about how it's unsportsmanlike for the crowd to cheer loud. Then there was the memo telling fans when to be loud (unsportsmanlike) and when to ahhhhoooooo! Now, opposing fans aren't allowed to stand and cheer when their team does something good. At the Clink, the whole crowd is up on their feet for every play. It's ####### exciting football, not an opera or a school play. For a team with 5 rings, the fans seem extremely clueless.

http://instagram.com/p/hrVhMgjtKs/

 

[drummer]

You all are tripping.

Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well.

This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller.

Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes.

He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment.

If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Are you saying the Seahawks' group of receivers/OL is a lot worse? Keep in mind that Wilson has been without over half (and a couple pro bowlers) on the OL for most of the year. Oh yeah, also his top 2 wideouts.

Before you bring the "everyone has been hurt" argument out, just realize that Wilson has lost more talent to injury than Kaepernick. Kaep's defense is just about as good. His running game is just about as good. The 49ers are an excellent team. Swap Wilson and Kaepernick and you'd probably have the records swapped.

It's no insult to Kaepernick to say that he's not at Wilson's level. There's no need to make excuses as to why he isn't there. Very few QB's in history have been Wilson's equal at this stage of his career, and we shouldn't use him as the new expectation, because nobody is probably going to meet that expectation for a long time. He's a ridiculously mature, polished QB who happened to come into a team with a lot of talent in an exceptional situation without a good QB to sit behind. It's been the perfect storm.

Kaepernick is going to be a very good QB in this league. I wish the 9ers still had Alex Smith. As a Seahawks fan, I'm not looking forward to dealing with him twice (or three times) a year for the next decade. Don't do him the disservice of expecting him to be Russell Wilson.

I dunno how many times I have to say that Wilson is playing better than Kaep right now before it sinks into a few domes here. I don't find either inferior/superior to each other in each way at this point in their careers.

You know, there is a guy up in the SEA FO who knows how the 49er team is built, because he is responsible for building most of it that Harbaugh has won with. He quit before the 2010 draft because he was hitting the booze too hard trying to work with Singletary, Marathe, and the Yorks. He's the guy who drafted Michael Robinson, who even now SEA can't figure out what to do with lol. But he also drafted key players of the 49ers current identity in Gore, Davis, Crabtree, Willis, and signed players like Justin Smith. He quit a month before the 2010 draft, and I think Baalke used most of his draft board for that one. Nobody knows who to blame over the 2005 #1 overall pick in Smith. That was either Mike Nolan, Mike McCarthy, or the guy I am talking about in Scot McGloughan. McGloughan was "Mr. Draft BPA". You kind of had to with clueless head coaches and a host of FO people who mostly consisted of guys with MBA's of business backgrounds instead of football backgrounds.

So Carroll has a guy in his back pocket who has the some of the blueprints to this 49er team. Which could be worth more than any of the residue Carroll left behind while as defensive coordinator with the 49ers years ago while working with George Seifert. Both Harbaugh and Carroll try to channel Bill Walsh, so there is a whole lotta symbiotic things going on between these teams.

The guy I put most of the blame on with the current offense is McGlouhan's long time scout in Trent Baalke, who is now the 49er GM. He's great at drafting defensive players, or more like it: linebackers which the 49ers are rich in. When it comes to offense: he sucks. He is too busy trying to geek out value players with Parag Marathe while trying to be the NE FO. He has a load of draft picks stocked on the current shelf, one of which the 49ers could really use right now but whose knees can't get him on the field, as well as a load of picks for next years draft to play poker with. He gives Vic Fangio all the toys he can work with. When it comes to Greg Roman, he's like "Well, we can get Boldin for nothing, so here ya go. It saves us some money there because we are spending a whole lot of it with MRI's on bad knees and ankles of the WR corp, along with Lattimore's. Plus, we are spending too much calling Saul to bail some of our players out from drunken shenanigans".

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

 

[Hooper31]

He's the guy who drafted Michael Robinson, who even now SEA can't figure out what to do with lol.

What should SEA be doing with Michael Robinson?

 

[drummer]

He's the guy who drafted Michael Robinson, who even now SEA can't figure out what to do with lol.

What should SEA be doing with Michael Robinson?

I dunno, he's not with the 49ers, so that's more on you to figure out.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hey - who won the SF/SEA game yesterday?

 

[Hooper31]

Hey - who won the SF/SEA game yesterday?

The Packers.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hey - who won the SF/SEA game yesterday?

The Packers.

That's awesome! So we get two wins?

 

[Hooper31]

Hey - who won the SF/SEA game yesterday?

The Packers.

That's awesome! So we get two wins?

In your mind no other team is relevant. What's the point of asking when you don't really care?

 

[Norcalhoya]

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

Andy Dalton is a homerun of a draft pick?????

 

[mdlane]

More classiness coming out of Seattle. The funny thing is, they are even worse winners than losers.

It's funny because Harbaugh gets a bad rap for sportsmanship, but when Sherman slapped him on the butt to mock the Niners and Harbaugh on national tv, Harbaugh handled the obnoxious behavior with aplomb.

But here you have the Seahawks who seem incapable of walking across the court, shaking the hands of their opponents, and saying, "Well done."

"That was the unfortunate part of the game, they probably had more penalty yards than offensive yards," Sherman said.

He also took a shot at Anquan Boldin, who he sparred with verbally and physically on Sunday: "When its so rare that you catch a ball, youve got to celebrate it."

http://fieldofteams.csnbayarea.com/2013/12/09/case-of-the-mondays-seahawks-players-not-tipping-their-caps-to-49ers/

 

[Norcalhoya]

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

Andy Dalton is a homerun of a draft pick?????

Just so we're clear Drummer. Kaep AND Alex Smith are better than Dalton.

 

[drummer]

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

Andy Dalton is a homerun of a draft pick?????

Well, he has like 72 Tds to 45 Ints so far. Compare that to Kaep.

 

[drummer]

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

Andy Dalton is a homerun of a draft pick?????

Just so we're clear Drummer. Kaep AND Alex Smith are better than Dalton.

Oh I'm clear. You're not.

 

[mdlane]

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

Andy Dalton is a homerun of a draft pick?????

Just so we're clear Drummer. Kaep AND Alex Smith are better than Dalton.

Oh I'm clear. You're not.

If it matters, it's well documented that the Niners wanted Dalton with the Kaep pick, also.

 

[drummer]

Thus, this is where my finger is pointing towards when it comes to the offense. Not on Kaep, who I felt even before he was drafted more of a long term project than a quick home run. I wanted Andy Dalton more in that draft. CIN's GM really hit two home runs in that draft with Dalton and Green. Baalke got Exec of the Year his first one as a real GM because Aldon Smith got a whole lotta sacks while on situational downs, the same year Dalton and Green were drafted. Smith also got his first DUI that same year, and might be treading a bit of water now. But both Baalke and Harbaugh still haven't raised the offense to Mooch's level yet.

Thus my rant.

Andy Dalton is a homerun of a draft pick?????

Just so we're clear Drummer. Kaep AND Alex Smith are better than Dalton.

Oh I'm clear. You're not.

If it matters, it's well documented that the Niners wanted Dalton with the Kaep pick, also.

Yeah well, going the the Pro-Bowl in your rookie season is kind of a home run. Especially as a starter.

 

[Hooper31]

He's the guy who drafted Michael Robinson, who even now SEA can't figure out what to do with lol.

What should SEA be doing with Michael Robinson?

I dunno, he's not with the 49ers, so that's more on you to figure out.

I don't understand the point of you bringing up Robinson. Are you saying that at the time it was a bad draft pick?

 

[drummer]

He's the guy who drafted Michael Robinson, who even now SEA can't figure out what to do with lol.

What should SEA be doing with Michael Robinson?

I dunno, he's not with the 49ers, so that's more on you to figure out.

I don't understand the point of you bringing up Robinson. Are you saying that at the time it was a bad draft pick?

The point is ScotM drafted him to either be an H-Back, RB, WR, on STs or whatever that he thought they could shoehorn him in

But you can keep wondering what SEA is doing with M-Rob. Maybe ItS should chime in here to answer your question since he may know about it more than you.

 

[chinawildman]

What is Sherman's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

 

[drummer]

What is Sherman's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Does it really matter?

 

[biju]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

 

[cacksman]

It's probably already been said many times in this thread but that was a very tough game to watch. So many penalties, and it didn't seem like either team was able to get any rhythm going. I still don't feel good about it, because I just really hate the 49ers, but that was not a game which causes you to rethink everything about your team for a bit(ala SF@SEA in week 2, or NO@SEA last week).

Sucks to lose, good win by SF but still shouldn't mean much in the big picture. SF still hasn't proven they can keep the game close when Wilson is playing in Seattle.

Side note: Has anyone seen this Beats commercial with Kaepernick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ttsx5squWg

I know it's just a commercial and Kevin Garnett stars with Knick fans in one, but I am actually offended by the way they portray Seattle fans. In no way is that even remotely accurate. I guess I could take it as a compliment seeing how Beats is trying to pump up the rivalry and it highlights the press the 12th Man has been getting, but it's a pretty ridiculous commercial. Especially when you consider Kaepernick folds like a house of cards when he travels to Seattle. I'd say Seattle fans are absolutely in Kaep's head.

 

[drummer]

It's probably already been said many times in this thread but that was a very tough game to watch. So many penalties, and it didn't seem like either team was able to get any rhythm going. I still don't feel good about it, because I just really hate the 49ers, but that was not a game which causes you to rethink everything about your team for a bit(ala SF@SEA in week 2, or NO@SEA last week).

Sucks to lose, good win by SF but still shouldn't mean much in the big picture. SF still hasn't proven they can keep the game close when Wilson is playing in Seattle.

Side note: Has anyone seen this Beats commercial with Kaepernick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ttsx5squWg

I know it's just a commercial and Kevin Garnett stars with Knick fans in one, but I am actually offended by the way they portray Seattle fans. In no way is that even remotely accurate. I guess I could take it as a compliment seeing how Beats is trying to pump up the rivalry and it highlights the press the 12th Man has been getting, but it's a pretty ridiculous commercial. Especially when you consider Kaepernick folds like a house of cards when he travels to Seattle. I'd say Seattle fans are absolutely in Kaep's head.

The power of great marketing in full effect here.

 

[cacksman]

It's probably already been said many times in this thread but that was a very tough game to watch. So many penalties, and it didn't seem like either team was able to get any rhythm going. I still don't feel good about it, because I just really hate the 49ers, but that was not a game which causes you to rethink everything about your team for a bit(ala SF@SEA in week 2, or NO@SEA last week).

Sucks to lose, good win by SF but still shouldn't mean much in the big picture. SF still hasn't proven they can keep the game close when Wilson is playing in Seattle.

Side note: Has anyone seen this Beats commercial with Kaepernick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ttsx5squWg

I know it's just a commercial and Kevin Garnett stars with Knick fans in one, but I am actually offended by the way they portray Seattle fans. In no way is that even remotely accurate. I guess I could take it as a compliment seeing how Beats is trying to pump up the rivalry and it highlights the press the 12th Man has been getting, but it's a pretty ridiculous commercial. Especially when you consider Kaepernick folds like a house of cards when he travels to Seattle. I'd say Seattle fans are absolutely in Kaep's head.

The power of great marketing in full effect here.

I guess if you're trying to alienate the NorthWestern part of the United States just in time for the holidays.

 

[drummer]

It's probably already been said many times in this thread but that was a very tough game to watch. So many penalties, and it didn't seem like either team was able to get any rhythm going. I still don't feel good about it, because I just really hate the 49ers, but that was not a game which causes you to rethink everything about your team for a bit(ala SF@SEA in week 2, or NO@SEA last week).

Sucks to lose, good win by SF but still shouldn't mean much in the big picture. SF still hasn't proven they can keep the game close when Wilson is playing in Seattle.

Side note: Has anyone seen this Beats commercial with Kaepernick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ttsx5squWg

I know it's just a commercial and Kevin Garnett stars with Knick fans in one, but I am actually offended by the way they portray Seattle fans. In no way is that even remotely accurate. I guess I could take it as a compliment seeing how Beats is trying to pump up the rivalry and it highlights the press the 12th Man has been getting, but it's a pretty ridiculous commercial. Especially when you consider Kaepernick folds like a house of cards when he travels to Seattle. I'd say Seattle fans are absolutely in Kaep's head.

The power of great marketing in full effect here.

I guess if you're trying to alienate the NorthWestern part of the United States just in time for the holidays.

So I guess that means there won't be any Beats 'phones sold up there. Maybe Sennheiser should take advantage that Northwest market now.

 

[mdlane]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.

And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

 

[thecatch]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

LOL

 

[proninja]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Is there some way we can help in this trying time?

 

[drummer]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Is there some way we can help in this trying time?

You can start by being nice to ItS.

 

[mdlane]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Is there some way we can help in this trying time?

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Is there some way we can help in this trying time?

No, but thanks for the good faith offer.

 

[Dinkle Heimer]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Is there some way we can help in this trying time?

LOL. I'm always amazed that people (assuming they're adults) on the innernets feel a need to argue that players on their favorite NFL team are better people than players on someone else's favorite team.

 

[biju]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.

And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

When has Harbaugh *NOT* complained about penalties (and yes, he did after you guys won in SF)? If you think what he does on the sidelines is gracious in any way there's no point in arguing with you.

 

[Not Sleeping]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.

And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

When has Harbaugh *NOT* complained about penalties (and yes, he did after you guys won in SF)? If you think what he does on the sidelines is gracious in any way there's no point in arguing with you.

We'll agree that Harbaugh can be obnoxious if you can agree that Sherman is a Grade-A jackass.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Seahawk fans are pretty embarrassing in this thread post game. It was a hard fought game and the 49ers won. No need to try to take away from that. Next time before you act this way consider the following..... What would Russell Wilson do?

 

[sho nuff]

 

[mdlane]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

I'm really sorry you have to go through this. Is there some way we can help in this trying time?

LOL. I'm always amazed that people (assuming they're adults) on the innernets feel a need to argue that players on their favorite NFL team are better people than players on someone else's favorite team.

Really?

There's actually a famous study about it from the 50's called "They Saw A Game."

 

[mdlane]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

Harbaugh has been extremely gracious to the Seahawks in victory and defeat. I don't remember any controversy when we beat Seattle the first game last year. Then, in December when the Hawks beat the Niners and said crap like, "Merry F##King Christmas," and "Happy birthday, that's what you get," and spreading lies about Harbaugh honking at the Seattle team bus, Harbaugh handled that crap with a great deal of maturity that you don't see from Seattle players or coaches. Then again, earlier this year, Seattle won and one of the players slapped Harbaugh on the butt to mock the Niners. Again, Harbaugh declined to take the bait.

And now we have the Niners winning again, and do you see anyone mocking the Seahawks or disrespecting them or their coaches, or spreading lies about them? Nope.

That crap is still coming out of Seattle, ungracious and obnoxious in victory and defeat.

When has Harbaugh *NOT* complained about penalties (and yes, he did after you guys won in SF)? If you think what he does on the sidelines is gracious in any way there's no point in arguing with you.

Oh I didn't realize that's what you meant. Yes, Harbaugh is very soccermomilian on the sidelines.

 

[drummer]

I guess now you won't see any Beats technology inside the Seahawks locker room.

 

[Bob Magaw]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

I've already gone and listed the WR and TE corp and well as the back in another thread. I don't want to do this again. Using game one against GB to weigh Boldin and Kaep is a useless exercise, because one, it was the GB defense, and two, other teams can watch that film and adjust to it. In fact, it was such an anomaly that after looking at that game proved one true thing: that GB's defensive coordinator has his head up his rear end, and left Boldin wide open to focus more on Kaep running the ball, and selling his pass defense out.

I think anybody who reads my posts on the 49ers knows this: I am probably the biggest 49er critic on FBG. I just base my opinion on the realities of the team, the FO, the coaching, everything to the PR department, the local media, the fanbase, the owners, you name it. Hell, most of the 49er fans who used to call me a troll over the whole Smith vs. Kaep debate are gone now. Dr. Milk Carton especially. They probably left to go follow KC now lol. A lot of them weren't very bright, so it's nice to not have them around anymore.

The reality about the 49er passing game was back then under Smith to now with Kaep: it's been mediocre. The strange reality being that the 49ers historically have had good offenses: it hasn't even reached the levels of even Steve Mariucci's Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens offense since John York and Terry Donahue decided to butcher the franchise.

Think about that for a minute: as much as Harbaugh has turned the 49ers around from the mess created since the butchering of the franchise post Mooch, he still hasn't matched the passing offense of the Mooch era, even when Mooch had a 6-10 team. That's how much Terrell Owens had an impact post Rice.

The 49ers on offense lacks speed and depth. Period. That's on Trent Baalke. That deep RB squad? Please. Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James can't even make one backup RB combined. TE's? Davis is the only solid one they have, and they have to line him up now at WR. There are guys on NBA benches that have more playing minutes already this season than a large part of the WR corp. Two WRs Kaep had worked with this off-season have been shipped to KC during this season in AJ Jenkins and Kyle Williams. Rookie Quentin Patton has been hurt all season, Crabtree got hurt during camp or pre-season (I forget at the moment), and Manningham has finally been able to get on the field after a long injury sabbatical.

So think how many targets Kaep had in camp and the pre-season, and how many are left from that. That's why he leans on the veteran WR in Boldin, the veteran TE/WR in Davis, and his fullback lol. Harbaugh doesn't even trust a lot of the other WR's he has, and the other TE's can't even make up one Delanie Walker.

Per the above, is there ANYTHING he could improve on, that is what I was trying to get at?

"Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)?"

If you don't think there is anything he can improve on, maybe that is your answer? Thanks.

* Apologies in advance to the thread if there are any formatting issues, or the post is too long, or too short, paragraphs too dense or not dense enough. Errors in grammar and syntax are obviously horrific atrocities. I agree with some others that on a board that discusses football, of course matters such as language are absolutely the most important thing, along with how the arrangement of sentences and paragraphs on the page looks.

 

[drummer]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

I've already gone and listed the WR and TE corp and well as the back in another thread. I don't want to do this again. Using game one against GB to weigh Boldin and Kaep is a useless exercise, because one, it was the GB defense, and two, other teams can watch that film and adjust to it. In fact, it was such an anomaly that after looking at that game proved one true thing: that GB's defensive coordinator has his head up his rear end, and left Boldin wide open to focus more on Kaep running the ball, and selling his pass defense out.

I think anybody who reads my posts on the 49ers knows this: I am probably the biggest 49er critic on FBG. I just base my opinion on the realities of the team, the FO, the coaching, everything to the PR department, the local media, the fanbase, the owners, you name it. Hell, most of the 49er fans who used to call me a troll over the whole Smith vs. Kaep debate are gone now. Dr. Milk Carton especially. They probably left to go follow KC now lol. A lot of them weren't very bright, so it's nice to not have them around anymore.

The reality about the 49er passing game was back then under Smith to now with Kaep: it's been mediocre. The strange reality being that the 49ers historically have had good offenses: it hasn't even reached the levels of even Steve Mariucci's Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens offense since John York and Terry Donahue decided to butcher the franchise.

Think about that for a minute: as much as Harbaugh has turned the 49ers around from the mess created since the butchering of the franchise post Mooch, he still hasn't matched the passing offense of the Mooch era, even when Mooch had a 6-10 team. That's how much Terrell Owens had an impact post Rice.

The 49ers on offense lacks speed and depth. Period. That's on Trent Baalke. That deep RB squad? Please. Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James can't even make one backup RB combined. TE's? Davis is the only solid one they have, and they have to line him up now at WR. There are guys on NBA benches that have more playing minutes already this season than a large part of the WR corp. Two WRs Kaep had worked with this off-season have been shipped to KC during this season in AJ Jenkins and Kyle Williams. Rookie Quentin Patton has been hurt all season, Crabtree got hurt during camp or pre-season (I forget at the moment), and Manningham has finally been able to get on the field after a long injury sabbatical.

So think how many targets Kaep had in camp and the pre-season, and how many are left from that. That's why he leans on the veteran WR in Boldin, the veteran TE/WR in Davis, and his fullback lol. Harbaugh doesn't even trust a lot of the other WR's he has, and the other TE's can't even make up one Delanie Walker.

Per the above, is there ANYTHING he could improve on, that is what I was trying to get at?

"Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)?"

If you don't think there is anything he can improve on, maybe that is your answer? Thanks.

* Apologies in advance to the thread if there are any formatting issues, or the post is too long, or too short, paragraphs too dense or not dense enough. Errors in grammar and syntax are obviously horrific atrocities. I agree with some others that on a board that discusses football, of course matters such as language are absolutely the most important thing, along with the how the arrangement of sentences and paragraphs on the page looks.

Yeah there are a lot of things Kaep needs to improve on. Read and recognition, getting the ball out quicker, pocket presence, you know, the usual stuff most young QB's need to improve on. The 49er coaching staff also need to help create situations where he can be the most successful, which this season they hadn't. Again, they took away a lot of players he was familiar with since he was drafted, a lot of players on the team he shared camp with are hurt and not playing, and nobody outside of the Vets are able to step up and replace any of the missing parts.

People think "Well, he has Vernon Davis. He should be more successful with he as a weapon". Guess what? Davis is on pace to have his best season as a 49er since his 2009 season under Jimmy Raye's "bail out run in a straight line all go down the seam" offense:

2009 Davis through 16 games: 78 receptions, 965 yards, 13 TDs

2013 Davis through 12 games: 44 receptions, 726 yards, 11 TDs.

Davis has less receptions and yards than 2009, but his yards per reception is a lot greater in 2013.

Boldin himself is having a better regular season than last year playing in BAL. Fullback Bruce Miller is lights out better this season as a target this season than he was under the previous two. 49er homers would vote him into the Pro-Bowl already. Of course, everybody knows how much Crabtree improved once Kaep was starting under center last season.

Gore owners may whine that his receptions are too low, and killing them. I say too bad. The 49ers aren't the team from 2006 to 2010 anymore. Go cry in your ham 'n eggs FarveCo. Or chant "WE WANT CARR!"

I won't even mention LaMichael James who has been a game day scratch most of the season, or Kendall "Minus Yardage" Hunter, who the coaching staff IMO has lost faith in.

So that leaves us with: again, a whole lot of targets hurt, cut, waived, GONE, whatever I have been trying to explain to you. Bear in mind, there are active players on the team that hardly play many snaps, because the offense is a bit complex, and they can't adjust to Kaep's checks at the line, which the offense requires him to do, so Harbaugh limits their playing time. It's the Harbaugh offense. Andrew Luck ran his Stanford version of it. Once they got Kaep under center, they added more of it than Alex Smith ran.

Kaep may have a way to go as far as improvement, but so does the offense as whole. But he has proven a tangible, positive improvement in the offense with players than can step up and make plays, and make those players better. It's also much more explosive in yards.

Note: this conversation would be better served in the Dr. errrr Dr. Awesome's Kaep thread of last season. He went AWOL after Alex Smith went to KC, and probably followed him there. So did most of the posters in that thread. But since you are a mod, and I find the search function wonky, maybe you can find that thread, merge these posts, and then would make this more proper. Just try and stay away from any edit functions. TIA

 

[Bob Magaw]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

I've already gone and listed the WR and TE corp and well as the back in another thread. I don't want to do this again. Using game one against GB to weigh Boldin and Kaep is a useless exercise, because one, it was the GB defense, and two, other teams can watch that film and adjust to it. In fact, it was such an anomaly that after looking at that game proved one true thing: that GB's defensive coordinator has his head up his rear end, and left Boldin wide open to focus more on Kaep running the ball, and selling his pass defense out.

I think anybody who reads my posts on the 49ers knows this: I am probably the biggest 49er critic on FBG. I just base my opinion on the realities of the team, the FO, the coaching, everything to the PR department, the local media, the fanbase, the owners, you name it. Hell, most of the 49er fans who used to call me a troll over the whole Smith vs. Kaep debate are gone now. Dr. Milk Carton especially. They probably left to go follow KC now lol. A lot of them weren't very bright, so it's nice to not have them around anymore.

The reality about the 49er passing game was back then under Smith to now with Kaep: it's been mediocre. The strange reality being that the 49ers historically have had good offenses: it hasn't even reached the levels of even Steve Mariucci's Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens offense since John York and Terry Donahue decided to butcher the franchise.

Think about that for a minute: as much as Harbaugh has turned the 49ers around from the mess created since the butchering of the franchise post Mooch, he still hasn't matched the passing offense of the Mooch era, even when Mooch had a 6-10 team. That's how much Terrell Owens had an impact post Rice.

The 49ers on offense lacks speed and depth. Period. That's on Trent Baalke. That deep RB squad? Please. Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James can't even make one backup RB combined. TE's? Davis is the only solid one they have, and they have to line him up now at WR. There are guys on NBA benches that have more playing minutes already this season than a large part of the WR corp. Two WRs Kaep had worked with this off-season have been shipped to KC during this season in AJ Jenkins and Kyle Williams. Rookie Quentin Patton has been hurt all season, Crabtree got hurt during camp or pre-season (I forget at the moment), and Manningham has finally been able to get on the field after a long injury sabbatical.

So think how many targets Kaep had in camp and the pre-season, and how many are left from that. That's why he leans on the veteran WR in Boldin, the veteran TE/WR in Davis, and his fullback lol. Harbaugh doesn't even trust a lot of the other WR's he has, and the other TE's can't even make up one Delanie Walker.

Per the above, is there ANYTHING he could improve on, that is what I was trying to get at?

"Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)?"

If you don't think there is anything he can improve on, maybe that is your answer? Thanks.

* Apologies in advance to the thread if there are any formatting issues, or the post is too long, or too short, paragraphs too dense or not dense enough. Errors in grammar and syntax are obviously horrific atrocities. I agree with some others that on a board that discusses football, of course matters such as language are absolutely the most important thing, along with the how the arrangement of sentences and paragraphs on the page looks.

Yeah there are a lot of things Kaep needs to improve on. Read and recognition, getting the ball out quicker, pocket presence, you know, the usual stuff most young QB's need to improve on. The 49er coaching staff also need to help create situations where he can be the most successful, which this season they hadn't. Again, they took away a lot of players he was familiar with since he was drafted, a lot of players on the team he shared camp with are hurt and not playing, and nobody outside of the Vets are able to step up and replace any of the missing parts.

People think "Well, he has Vernon Davis. He should be more successful with he as a weapon". Guess what? Davis is on pace to have his best season as a 49er since his 2009 season under Jimmy Raye's "bail out run in a straight line all go down the seam" offense:

2009 Davis through 16 games: 78 receptions, 965 yards, 13 TDs

2013 Davis through 12 games: 44 receptions, 726 yards, 11 TDs.

Davis has less receptions and yards than 2009, but his yards per reception is a lot greater in 2013.

Boldin himself is having a better regular season than last year playing in BAL. Fullback Bruce Miller is lights out better this season as a target this season than he was under the previous two. 49er homers would vote him into the Pro-Bowl already. Of course, everybody knows how much Crabtree improved once Kaep was starting under center last season.

Gore owners may whine that his receptions are too low, and killing them. I say too bad. The 49ers aren't the team from 2006 to 2010 anymore. Go cry in your ham 'n eggs FarveCo. Or chant "WE WANT CARR!"

I won't even mention LaMichael James who has been a game day scratch most of the season, or Kendall "Minus Yardage" Hunter, who the coaching staff IMO has lost faith in.

So that leaves us with: again, a whole lot of targets hurt, cut, waived, GONE, whatever I have been trying to explain to you. Bear in mind, there are active players on the team that hardly play many snaps, because the offense is a bit complex, and they can't adjust to Kaep's checks at the line, which the offense requires him to do, so Harbaugh limits their playing time. It's the Harbaugh offense. Andrew Luck ran his Stanford version of it. Once they got Kaep under center, they added more of it than Alex Smith ran.

Kaep may have a way to go as far as improvement, but so does the offense as whole. But he has proven a tangible, positive improvement in the offense with players than can step up and make plays, and make those players better. It's also much more explosive in yards.

Note: this conversation would be better served in the Dr. errrr Dr. Awesome's Kaep thread of last season. He went AWOL after Alex Smith went to KC, and probably followed him there. So did most of the posters in that thread. But since you are a mod, and I find the search function wonky, maybe you can find that thread, merge these posts, and then would make this more proper. Just try and stay away from any edit functions. TIA

"Read and recognition, getting the ball out quicker, pocket presence..."

Thanx for expanding on that in the partial sentence that you did.

Again, not a hater, have him, hope he does well. But I don't think it is controversial to suggest everybody can get better at and work on something. Sounds like you agree based on the feedback.

* Not directed at you but the thread, since it was brought up. Edits can arise with posts that are hostile or that involve name calling (like i hate you or you are stupid). Just try and stay away from those type of posts. TIA.

 

[drummer]

You all are tripping. Kaep and Wilson had extremely similar games today, and people are calling Wilson the league MVP. The thing about Kaep is that he has no touch on short and intermediate passes so he needs a WR with great hands (obvious, I know). Crabtree will get better, and Kaep will magically get better, as well. This was a fantastic win wherein the Niners D dominated the consensus #1 team, and the Niners' playoff chances are looking much improved. Oh yeah, and Harbaugh still gets to pound on his underdog drum throughout the post-season. Things are trending up.

So what you're saying is that aside from being inferior on short and intermediate passes, Kaepernick is just as good as Wilson?

You just love taking bait don't ya?

I sort of operate under the assumption that grown ups aren't saying dumb stuff just to get a rise out of people. Perhaps I need to operate under different assumptions in these threads.

The three main targets Kaap has hit all season: Davis, Boldin, and FB Bruce Miller. Fullback Bruce Miller, who isn't exactly running deep routes. He just got Crabtree back, they are still trying to work Manningham in, and the old short crossing routes Delanie Walker used to run has been replaced by Vance McDonald, who is really struggling in the offense, because he kinda sucks at this moment. If you wan't real discussion, then don't take bait, and at least have a clue what you're talking about when it comes to Kaep.

Kaepernick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage (?) and yardage. Aren't there teams that don't have two receiving weapons as good as Davis and Boldin, that have more efficient and productive QBs. I get that Boldin is past his prime, but he looked pretty good in the Super Bowl and week one. Does he have the advantage of one of the better OLs, which not all QBs do? Is it an advantage to have one of the best defenses in the league, to get the ball back after more three and outs, and win the field position battle. Is he an "everything needs to be perfect" kind of QB I've seen QBs characterized in some other threads (can't put my finger on which one)? Even if you knew the injuries were coming, after you saw how good he looked week one (didn't have Delanie Walker then), were you expecting more? Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)? I'm not a "hater" or fishing, I have him in a few dynasty leagues. I hope he does well and develops. But it is possible for me to still see his upside and express disappointment with this season. I would worry more about a scout that said a prospect had absolutely no flaws. What does he need to work on and get better at (besides just needing Crabtree back, everybody gets that). BTW, he has been questioned for struggling with his progressions. I saw a recent game, maybe STL where they did a slo mo isolation shot on him, and he clearly went through three separate reads before going to his fourth. So that criticism could be blown out of proportion.Sorry if this isn't formatted according to Strunk and White's Elements of Style, it seems to be an increasingly heinous crime, being a board to discuss football and all.

I've already gone and listed the WR and TE corp and well as the back in another thread. I don't want to do this again. Using game one against GB to weigh Boldin and Kaep is a useless exercise, because one, it was the GB defense, and two, other teams can watch that film and adjust to it. In fact, it was such an anomaly that after looking at that game proved one true thing: that GB's defensive coordinator has his head up his rear end, and left Boldin wide open to focus more on Kaep running the ball, and selling his pass defense out.

I think anybody who reads my posts on the 49ers knows this: I am probably the biggest 49er critic on FBG. I just base my opinion on the realities of the team, the FO, the coaching, everything to the PR department, the local media, the fanbase, the owners, you name it. Hell, most of the 49er fans who used to call me a troll over the whole Smith vs. Kaep debate are gone now. Dr. Milk Carton especially. They probably left to go follow KC now lol. A lot of them weren't very bright, so it's nice to not have them around anymore.

The reality about the 49er passing game was back then under Smith to now with Kaep: it's been mediocre. The strange reality being that the 49ers historically have had good offenses: it hasn't even reached the levels of even Steve Mariucci's Jeff Garcia/Terrell Owens offense since John York and Terry Donahue decided to butcher the franchise.

Think about that for a minute: as much as Harbaugh has turned the 49ers around from the mess created since the butchering of the franchise post Mooch, he still hasn't matched the passing offense of the Mooch era, even when Mooch had a 6-10 team. That's how much Terrell Owens had an impact post Rice.

The 49ers on offense lacks speed and depth. Period. That's on Trent Baalke. That deep RB squad? Please. Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James can't even make one backup RB combined. TE's? Davis is the only solid one they have, and they have to line him up now at WR. There are guys on NBA benches that have more playing minutes already this season than a large part of the WR corp. Two WRs Kaep had worked with this off-season have been shipped to KC during this season in AJ Jenkins and Kyle Williams. Rookie Quentin Patton has been hurt all season, Crabtree got hurt during camp or pre-season (I forget at the moment), and Manningham has finally been able to get on the field after a long injury sabbatical.

So think how many targets Kaep had in camp and the pre-season, and how many are left from that. That's why he leans on the veteran WR in Boldin, the veteran TE/WR in Davis, and his fullback lol. Harbaugh doesn't even trust a lot of the other WR's he has, and the other TE's can't even make up one Delanie Walker.

Per the above, is there ANYTHING he could improve on, that is what I was trying to get at?

"Are there ANY ways you are critical of his performance and disappointed in his season, that are due to him, and not surrounding circumstances kind of causes and reasons (I wouldn't use the word excuses, I don't really like that word, or the thinking behind it, that the thinking of those other than our own deserves to be marginalized, and is trivial)?"

If you don't think there is anything he can improve on, maybe that is your answer? Thanks.

* Apologies in advance to the thread if there are any formatting issues, or the post is too long, or too short, paragraphs too dense or not dense enough. Errors in grammar and syntax are obviously horrific atrocities. I agree with some others that on a board that discusses football, of course matters such as language are absolutely the most important thing, along with the how the arrangement of sentences and paragraphs on the page looks.

Yeah there are a lot of things Kaep needs to improve on. Read and recognition, getting the ball out quicker, pocket presence, you know, the usual stuff most young QB's need to improve on. The 49er coaching staff also need to help create situations where he can be the most successful, which this season they hadn't. Again, they took away a lot of players he was familiar with since he was drafted, a lot of players on the team he shared camp with are hurt and not playing, and nobody outside of the Vets are able to step up and replace any of the missing parts.

People think "Well, he has Vernon Davis. He should be more successful with he as a weapon". Guess what? Davis is on pace to have his best season as a 49er since his 2009 season under Jimmy Raye's "bail out run in a straight line all go down the seam" offense:

2009 Davis through 16 games: 78 receptions, 965 yards, 13 TDs

2013 Davis through 12 games: 44 receptions, 726 yards, 11 TDs.

Davis has less receptions and yards than 2009, but his yards per reception is a lot greater in 2013.

Boldin himself is having a better regular season than last year playing in BAL. Fullback Bruce Miller is lights out better this season as a target this season than he was under the previous two. 49er homers would vote him into the Pro-Bowl already. Of course, everybody knows how much Crabtree improved once Kaep was starting under center last season.

Gore owners may whine that his receptions are too low, and killing them. I say too bad. The 49ers aren't the team from 2006 to 2010 anymore. Go cry in your ham 'n eggs FarveCo. Or chant "WE WANT CARR!"

I won't even mention LaMichael James who has been a game day scratch most of the season, or Kendall "Minus Yardage" Hunter, who the coaching staff IMO has lost faith in.

So that leaves us with: again, a whole lot of targets hurt, cut, waived, GONE, whatever I have been trying to explain to you. Bear in mind, there are active players on the team that hardly play many snaps, because the offense is a bit complex, and they can't adjust to Kaep's checks at the line, which the offense requires him to do, so Harbaugh limits their playing time. It's the Harbaugh offense. Andrew Luck ran his Stanford version of it. Once they got Kaep under center, they added more of it than Alex Smith ran.

Kaep may have a way to go as far as improvement, but so does the offense as whole. But he has proven a tangible, positive improvement in the offense with players than can step up and make plays, and make those players better. It's also much more explosive in yards.

Note: this conversation would be better served in the Dr. errrr Dr. Awesome's Kaep thread of last season. He went AWOL after Alex Smith went to KC, and probably followed him there. So did most of the posters in that thread. But since you are a mod, and I find the search function wonky, maybe you can find that thread, merge these posts, and then would make this more proper. Just try and stay away from any edit functions. TIA

"Read and recognition, getting the ball out quicker, pocket presence..."

Thanx for expanding on that in the partial sentence that you did.

* Not directed at you but the thread, since it was brought up. Edits can arise with hostile posts or that involve name calling (like i hate you or you are stupid). Just try and stay away from those type of posts. TIA.

Well maybe you shouldn't merge this posts with Dr. thread, since much derision was pointed towards me from those Alex Smith fans in that thread that had the "U R stoopid" type of stuff, which Dr. added in the subtitles towards me when there were subtitles.

*Note: I would merge it anyway. Because there is a lot of data, posts, and articles that I posted that would help this flow of conversation, and maybe bring you up to speed.

ETA: I bumped it, so maybe you or whoever can merge the posts. TIA. Again.

 

[chinawildman]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

You gotta be kidding. I know Harbaugh has a "rep" in the media and they like to show him whine about penalties, but please show me where he has boasted about the 49ers being so superior to everyone else "Sherman-style". That runs completely counter to his entire "underdog" mentality which he preaches year in and year out.

Until then save the cute twist philosophy lesson for a situation that actually makes sense.

 

[chinawildman]

I'm actually going to statistically bang the drum in Kaepernick's favor for a bit for those who (including myself) are disillusioned that he isn't lighting it up this year...

1) Week 14 2012, this was his line at home against Miami: 18/23 185yds passing 53yds rushing 1 rushing TD. Wasn't exactly burning the house down and certainly not that much better than vs the seahawks last weekend. 6 out of the 10 games he started last year he threw for 1 TD or less. This year 8 out of 14.

2) The running game has mostly struggled: Gore is at his lowest YPC for his career and Hunter is more than a full yard per carry lower than his average last season. One can argue it's because teams have "figured out" the read/option, but they just haven't ran that many read/option plays period this year. You hear about how SF is a great running team, but the reality is that they are a middle of the road 4.2 YPC as a team. When teams fail to run effectively, QB play suffers (see Giants, Falcons, Baltimore this year)

3) The 49ers are currently 4th in yards allowed per game on defense. Every other team from 1-6 the 49ers have played this season, and one of them twice (seattle) Coincidentally those were also the games in which Kaepernick has struggled. Last season with the exception of Seattle(4th), Chicago(5th), Jets (8th) the 49ers did not face another team in the top 10 on defense, postseason included.

4) The 49ers no longer has anyone that can stretch the field. As old as Moss was and as bad a WR as Ginn was (arguable considering how much Carolina has gotten out of him) these guys DBs had to respect these guys deep. The 49ers vertical threat is their TE now, and he's missed 2 games (coincidentally again games in which Kaep has struggled mightily) This also probably has alot to do with why the run game has struggled.

5) The offensive line is playing very poorly. Hyped as one of the best in football, Football Outsiders grades them out at 30th in run blocking and 22nd in pass protection. For comparison, Arizona's shoddy no-name line grades out better in both categories.

The more I look into it, the less blame I attribute to Kaepernick's individual play. Does he need to lay off the weights and commercials? Sure. But there are other problems going on here that others have pointed out that makes this team inferior talent-wise to the one that lost to the Giants in the NFC championship 2 years ago.

Perspective.