Secret Service Agents involved in prostitution scandal (1 Viewer)

[Parrothead]

What's the problem? Let them. It should be allowed and really not a big deal.

You surely can see the security issue with this, right?

crabs?

 

[joetrow]

Is prostitution legal in Columbia? Serious question

Yes it is.

 

[Apple Jack]

Is prostitution legal in Columbia? Serious question

Yes it is.

ROAD TRIP

 

[belljr]

Is prostitution legal in Columbia? Serious question

Yes it is.

So other than the argument, assuming they were using their own cash - I have no issues Now if they are using gubberment money to get laid then it's a different story.

 

[Dez89]

Hotel Caribe is a little out of the way. Stay in Old Town when you visit Cartagena. The Sofitel was .I was amazed at how many wimmenz had asss implants down there. They looked like little burras.

I wanted to stay in the Old City, but preferred an apartment and all the ones I saw there were too small or too expensive.I really, really disliked the ### implants. Ugly.

 

[pittstownkiller]

What's the problem? Let them. It should be allowed and really not a big deal.

You surely can see the security issue with this, right?

What security issue exactly? The Colombian government leaks like a sieve. Anybody who wanted to know anything already knew it. And if we are talking some kind of blackmail really you are going to give up the President over a hooker? Come on.

I think you think in too large of a scale; if you don't think that a married agent could be influenced, just so that his wife doesn't find out about a prostitute, you're being naive. The agents have rules of conduct that include no girls, no alcohol; none of this should be a surprise. If any of the girls were underage, it just increases the security problem. You would agree that there are bad people in the world and that they are interested in things that a Presidential delegation are doing. Are you implying that every compromised agent only happens over money, or that every security breach involves only grand attempts like an asssasination? Do I think any security breaches happened; it doesn't really matter, the agents should not of been doing this.

 

[jon_mx]

Is prostitution legal in Columbia? Serious question

Yes it is.

So other than the argument, assuming they were using their own cash - I have no issues Now if they are using gubberment money to get laid then it's a different story.

Unfortunately for them, your blessing is of little help. It should be their business, but the rules they are working under do not allow it. Even if foreign countries, government travelers are expected to follow US law. So they are screwed and with the publicity surrounding this, it won't be swept under the rug with a slap on the wrist. It is highly likely those involved lose their jobs, which is very unfortunate.

 

[Dez89]

Funny story. The only reason I knew Obama was going to be in Cartagena was because I was chatting online with one of my amigas Friday night and she was complaining that the neighborhood had basically been shut down and they couldn't go do anything. I asked why and she said because Obama was coming and there were all kinds of security and hassle. Then she took her laptop out to the balcony (right across from the Hilton, where he stayed) and gave me a webcam shot of the hotel, all lit up and limos out front. Then Saturday/Sunday all this other stuff started coming out.

I told her they could keep him, and she said nooooooo that they didn't like him down there. I didn't get to ask her why not, but I assume it had something to do with the way Obama likes to alienate our allies, while kissing up to people like Chavez (who Colombians hate). Just my little theory though.

 

[Brady Marino]

one of my amigas Friday night

 

[Dez89]

one of my amigas Friday night

My link

 

[Brady Marino]

one of my amigas Friday night

My link

Muy bien!

 

[Apple Jack]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

 

[Dez89]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

 

[roadkill1292]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

Eff 'em both.

 

[jon_mx]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

From the limited coverage I have seen, it has been Obama who has been more vocally upset about this than anyone.

 

[Apple Jack]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

From the limited coverage I have seen, it has been Obama who has been more vocally upset about this than anyone.

I realize you are incapable of making a post on this website without an Obama slam, but my question has nothing to do with Obama.

 

[HellToupee]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Maybe people feel the SS shouldn't be opening their moves & then swinging their ##### around while potentially comprimising Obama's safety

 

[pittstownkiller]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

From the limited coverage I have seen, it has been Obama who has been more vocally upset about this than anyone.

I realize you are incapable of making a post on this website without an Obama slam, but my question has nothing to do with Obama.

Honestly do you think that this is behavior that is acceptable for a law enforcement officer who is responsible for aiding in protecting the President?

 

[Dragons]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

From the limited coverage I have seen, it has been Obama who has been more vocally upset about this than anyone.

I realize you are incapable of making a post on this website without an Obama slam, but my question has nothing to do with Obama.

Honestly do you think that this is behavior that is acceptable for a law enforcement officer who is responsible for aiding in protecting the President?

Do you mean because it's illegal? Because apparently it's not in Colombia.

 

[Dragons]

So, it seems googling 'columbian prostitute' with safe search off is very NSFW...

Not anymore.

 

[jon_mx]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

From the limited coverage I have seen, it has been Obama who has been more vocally upset about this than anyone.

I realize you are incapable of making a post on this website without an Obama slam, but my question has nothing to do with Obama.

I was responding to the ridiculous claim that this was conservatives doing this you jackass.And BTW, show my one post in the last 1000 that even mentions Obama. Maybe find a couple discussing the election or the economy, not sure, but I doubt it. Get the crap out of your eyes.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Somebody want to help me understand why anybody does or should care about this?

Because conservatives like any scandal involving Obama or his administration, and liberals like any story they feel represents the oppression of women (which is how they view prostitution, especially in other countries).

From the limited coverage I have seen, it has been Obama who has been more vocally upset about this than anyone.

I realize you are incapable of making a post on this website without an Obama slam, but my question has nothing to do with Obama.

Honestly do you think that this is behavior that is acceptable for a law enforcement officer who is responsible for aiding in protecting the President?

Do you mean because it's illegal? Because apparently it's not in Colombia.

Not because it is or isn't illegal but because they are told not to do it. If you can't see the possibility of a security compromise, you are either not thinking or are being obtuse. BTW, the question of if any laws were broken still hasn't been answered.

 

[jon_mx]

Government travelers are not allowed to break US laws even when traveling to countries where the activities are legal. There is nothing criminally they can get charged with, but the chances of them losing their job is very high. Top Secret clearances will likily be gone which is a job requirement.

 

[Apple Jack]

Okay, so they did something they shouldn't have. They're being dealt with. Why should I care?

And these people weren't on Obama's detail, based on what I read when the "story" broke.

 

[Apple Jack]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

 

[jon_mx]

Okay, so they did something they shouldn't have. They're being dealt with. Why should I care?And these people weren't on Obama's detail, based on what I read when the "story" broke.

Not much reason. Just a sex story. People will lose their jobs. Sex and politics sell.

 

[jon_mx]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

 

[Apple Jack]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

 

[jon_mx]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

 

[Apple Jack]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

What's so funny? People in the big game hunting arena have a different set of priorities than your Barney Fifes.

 

[jon_mx]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

What's so funny?

Your idea that our government is constantly having employees commit felonies.

 

[Apple Jack]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

What's so funny?

Your idea that our government is constantly having employees commit felonies.

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

 

[Dragons]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

What's so funny?

Your idea that our government is constantly having employees commit felonies.

How many Senators with Top Secret security clearance do you think might be ####### a hooker?

 

[jon_mx]

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

More than you will ever know.

 

[jon_mx]

And if you think people with "top secret" clearances don't #### hookers, you're out of your mind.

Did not say they don't. But you don't keep a top secret clearance by committing acts which our government considers a felony.

Sure you do. In fact, some of their jobs require them to commit felonies regularly. You just can't be CAUGHT committing a felony. I realize Secret Service are kind of an awkward spot...high profile and clandestine, so they have to do something about it and the press is not going away until some kind of closure, which translates to heads rolling.

What's so funny?

Your idea that our government is constantly having employees commit felonies.

How many Senators with Top Secret security clearance do you think might be ####### a hooker?

Senators are not required to have Top Secret. They get access based on their elected position.

 

[Apple Jack]

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

More than you will ever know.

I'm thinking not so much. And what Dragons said.

 

[jon_mx]

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

More than you will ever know.

I'm thinking not so much. And what Dragons said.

And Dragon is clueless about clearances.

 

[CBusAlex]

How many Senators with Top Secret security clearance do you think might be ####### a hooker?

Senators are not required to have Top Secret. They get access based on their elected position.

Also, banging whores is not technically a job requirement of Senators.Although I do think that if I were to smuggle a truckload of automatic weapons into Pakistan and distribute them to local militias, it would probably land me in a bit more legal troubles than if a CIA agent did the same.

 

[jon_mx]

How many Senators with Top Secret security clearance do you think might be ####### a hooker?

Senators are not required to have Top Secret. They get access based on their elected position.

Also, banging whores is not technically a job requirement of Senators.Although I do think that if I were to smuggle a truckload of automatic weapons into Pakistan and distribute them to local militias, it would probably land me in a bit more legal troubles than if a CIA agent did the same.

And Barney Frank is particularly happy about that.

 

[Dragons]

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

More than you will ever know.

I'm thinking not so much. And what Dragons said.

And Dragon is clueless about clearances.

And you have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[belljr]

http://marketing.spirit.com/traveldeals/air.php?s=908

I love spirit airlines....

The email for this deal has chicks in bikini and a Secret service guy making a shhhhh gesture

 

[jon_mx]

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

More than you will ever know.

I'm thinking not so much. And what Dragons said.

And Dragon is clueless about clearances.

And you have a reading comprehension problem.

Your questioned implied Senators have top secret clearances. That is not true. Elected officials get access to information based on their elected position. None of them undergo a background check.

 

[Dragons]

You don't seem to have much of an understanding of how the intelligence community works.

More than you will ever know.

I'm thinking not so much. And what Dragons said.

And Dragon is clueless about clearances.

And you have a reading comprehension problem.

Your questioned implied Senators have top secret clearances. That is not true. Elected officials get access to information based on their elected position. None of them undergo a background check.

Oh goodie. So there are some government employees that don't have to worry about ####### whores.

 

[jon_mx]

Oh goodie. So there are some government employees that don't have to worry about ####### whores.

Screwing people is pretty much all they do do.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Okay, so they did something they shouldn't have. They're being dealt with. Why should I care?And these people weren't on Obama's detail, based on what I read when the "story" broke.

What I heard these agents were the advance team that interview hotel staff, sweep the President's room, and clear his travel routes, among other things.

 

[jon_mx]

Okay, so they did something they shouldn't have. They're being dealt with. Why should I care?And these people weren't on Obama's detail, based on what I read when the "story" broke.

What I heard these agents were the advance team that interview hotel staff, sweep the President's room, and clear his travel routes, among other things.

These agents were just being thorough leaving no stone unturned.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Okay, so they did something they shouldn't have. They're being dealt with. Why should I care?And these people weren't on Obama's detail, based on what I read when the "story" broke.

What I heard these agents were the advance team that interview hotel staff, sweep the President's room, and clear his travel routes, among other things.

These agents were just being thorough leaving no stone unturned.

"undercover work"?

 

[TexanFan02]

Has anyone mentioned the "Me love you long time" scene from Full Metal Jacket yet? There it was only $10 dollars, but similar situation.

 

[Statorama]

I just picture Obama pulling a Captain McMahon from "Speed"...

"You're all effing FIRED"

I guess the professor will have to do

Hey, I give Obama a pass on this one. He doesn't want to get shot, blown up, etc. He seems like the kind of boss that would give his staffers a little extra rope and be a little more casual...I just don't think he realized how lax it had become.

As much as I disagree with him policy wise, I'm pissed off that the guys who have the job of keeping him safe let him down. He's the President of the United States. Get your act together, do your job, and protect the well being of our nation's leader.

 

[jon_mx]

3 agents out in wake of Secret Service scandal

By ALICIA A. CALDWELL, Associated Press – 30 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Moving swiftly, the Secret Service forced out three agents Wednesday in a prostitution scandal that has embarrassed President Barack Obama. A senior congressman welcomed the move to hold people responsible for the tawdry episode but warned "it's not over."

The agency announced three agents are leaving the service even as separate U.S. government investigations were under way.

The Secret Service did not identify the agents being forced out of the government or eight more it said remain on administrative leave. In a statement, it said one supervisor was allowed to retire and another will be fired for cause. A third employee, who was not a supervisor, has resigned.

The agents were implicated in the prostitution scandal in Colombia that also involved about 10 military service members and as many as 20 women. All the Secret Service employees who were involved had their security clearances revoked.

"These are the first steps," said Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, which oversees the Secret Service. King said the agency's director, Mark Sullivan, took employment action against "the three people he believes the case was clearest against." But King warned: "It's certainly not over."

King said the agent set to be fired would sue. King said Sullivan had to follow collective bargaining rules but was "moving as quickly as he can. Once he feels the facts are clear, he's going to move."

The embarrassing scandal erupted last week after 11 Secret Service agents were sent home from the colonial-era city of Cartagena on Colombia's Caribbean coast after a night of partying that reportedly ended with at least some of them bringing prostitutes back to their hotel. The special agents and uniformed officers were in Colombia in advance of President Barack Obama's arrival for the Summit of the Americas.

A White House official said Wednesday night that Obama had not spoken directly to Sullivan since the incident unfolded late last week. Obama's senior aides are in close contact with Sullivan and the agency's leadership, said the official, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

In Washington and Colombia, separate U.S. government investigations were already under way. King said he has assigned four congressional investigators to the probe. The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, led by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., sought details of the Secret Service investigation, including the disciplinary histories of the agents involved. Secret Service investigators are in Colombia interviewing witnesses.

In a letter to Sullivan, Issa and Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the committee's ranking Democrat, said the agents "brought foreign nationals in contact with sensitive security information." A potential security breach has been among the concerns raised by members of Congress.

The incident occurred before Obama arrived and was at a different hotel than the president stayed in.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said news of the three agents leaving Secret Service was a positive development.

"I've always said that if heads don't roll, the culture in a federal agency will never change," the Iowa lawmaker said in a statement. "Today's personnel actions, combined with the swift removal and investigation, are positive signs that there is a serious effort to get to the bottom of this scandal."

New details emerged Wednesday. A 24-year-old self-described prostitute told The New York Times that she met an agent at a discotheque in Cartagena and after a night of drinking, the pair agreed the agent would pay her $800 for sex at the hotel. The next morning, when the hotel's front desk called because the woman hadn't left, the pair argued over the price.

"I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money,'" the woman told the newspaper in an interview in Colombia. She said the two argued after the agent initially offered to pay her about $30 and the situation escalated, eventually ending with Colombian law enforcement involved. She said she was eventually paid about $225.

The episode took a sharp political turn when presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said he would fire the agents involved.

Romney told radio host Laura Ingraham on Wednesday that "I'd clean house" at the Secret Service.

"The right thing to do is to remove people who have violated the public trust and have put their play time and their personal interests ahead of the interests of the nation," Romney said.

While Romney suggested to Ingraham that a leadership problem led to the scandal, he told a Columbus, Ohio, radio station earlier that he has confidence in Sullivan, the head of the agency.

"I believe the right corrective action will be taken there and obviously everyone is very, very disappointed," Romney said. "I think it will be dealt with (in) as aggressive a way as is possible given the requirements of the law."

When asked, the Romney campaign would not say whether he had been briefed on the situation or was relying upon media reports for details.

At least 10 military personnel who were staying at the same hotel are also being investigated for misconduct.

Two U.S. military officials have said they include five Army Green Berets. One of the officials said the group also includes two Navy Explosive Ordinance Disposal technicians, two Marine dog handlers and an Air Force airman. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way.

Secret Service's Office of Professional Responsibility, which handles that agency's internal affairs, is investigating, and the Homeland Security Department's inspector general also has been notified.

Sullivan, who this week has briefed lawmakers behind closed doors, said he has referred to the case to an independent government investigator.

Secret Service investigators have interviewed all of the hotel's maids and cleaning ladies as part of its investigation, according to a person familiar with the investigation. The person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing probe, said investigators have not found any drugs or drug paraphernalia in the agents' rooms.

King said the agency was "reasonably confident" that drug use was not an issue with the three agents forced out on Wednesday. But he said Secret Service investigators would continue to look into whether drugs played a role in the incident as it continues talking to the other eight agents involved.

"Everything is on the table," the congressman said.

Col. Scott Malcom, a spokesman of U.S. Southern Command, which organized the military team assigned to support the Secret Service's mission in Cartagena, said Wednesday that an Air Force colonel is leading the military investigation and arrived in Colombia with a military lawyer Tuesday morning.

The troops are suspected of violating curfews set by their commanders.

"They were either not in their room or they showed up to their room late while all this was going on or they were in their room with somebody who shouldn't be there," Malcom said.

Lawmakers have called for a thorough investigation and have suggested they would hold oversight hearings, though none has yet been scheduled. The incident is expected to come up next week on Wednesday when Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano appears before the Senate Judiciary Committee for a previously scheduled oversight hearing.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said that for now, he is interested in what actually happened. He did not address how much responsibility Obama should bear for the scandal or whether Congress should hold hearings on it.