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Self-Driving Cars (1 Viewer)
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Fat Nick
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Thanks. I guess I was initially interpreting this to mean cars talking to other cars for the purpose of collision avoidance, etc. Not so much GPS monitoring. That I get...of course I guess if one car talks to a satellite, and that satellite can talk to another car, it's ultimately just a matter of bridging the interface.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Will these cars all just ride in the right-hand lane like you legally should unless you are passing? (Which, if they all go the speed limit, they wouldn't need to do). If so, I'm NEVER going automated, because the left lane will be
and I'll get to work in record time.Norman Paperman
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NCCommish
Footballguy
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Absolutely. Taken to the logical conclusion, you won't even need one car. You'll just subscribe to a taxi service that can put a self-driving car anywhere you need it at any time. Send two to your house every morning at 8, one to pick you up for work and another to take the kids to school in the AM. After dropping off they go and provide service to anyone else who needs it. A different car picks up your kids at school and takes them home. Another different car picks you up at work later and brings you home. All driver-less, on the road on their own just waiting for someone to need them.
kutta
Footballguy
People don't fly with no human pilot. There is always a human pilot on board.
I program avionics for a living, so I think I'm a little bit familiar with auto-pilots. They've been around forever on planes, and they fly the plane much better than a human pilot ever could, but the general public will still not accept getting on a plane with no human pilot. Why?
I think the same thing will happen with cars, especially after the first accident. It is just not something the general public is going to accept easily.
I do agree that we could see some kind of special highway lane for auto-piloted cars, but that's still at least 20 years out.
roadkill1292
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kutta
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If Jack Handy were still alive he would have said something like this about it:
"When I die I would like to go peacefully, in my sleep, not screaming and yelling like someone actually driving the car."
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If he were still alive he might have said that......not yelling and screaming like the passengers in my grandfathers car
roadkill1292
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
So you think that in the near future we will have kids getting into cars with no drivers from their school and parents will trust that the kids will get home safely?
CurlyNight
Footballguy
I like driving so never for me. If I didn't, there's always public transportation which is cheaper. Also, there's always a recall of some sort going on. GM the most famous. And this is with regular cars. I can imagine recalls going up with this thing. Someone gets into an accident and the programming is off, or the car is banged up enough that it's always cheaper to replace it than fix it up type of thing like many of us do.
Hybrids have been out for a long time and it's still not a big market for them.
Hybrids have been out for a long time and it's still not a big market for them.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
In 50 years people who haven't even been born yet will be grandparents. People who will have grown up in a time when this technology becomes increasingly mundane. They'll tell scary stories to their grandkids about how people used to drive themselves and kill 30,000 people every year doing it. The kids will laugh at how stupid we were.So you think that in the near future we will have kids getting into cars with no drivers from their school and parents will trust that the kids will get home safely?
It's too bad you weren't born a hundred years earlier. You could've stood around outside a bicycle shop in Dayton, "Orv, Wilb, I'm tellin' ya, this thing'll never get off the ground."
kutta
Footballguy
Maybe you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I work on this type of technology. I agree that it is safer. But I'm realistic enough to know that the general population will not accept it for a long time. I think you give joe six pack way much credit. He's not giving up his pickup, and soccer mom is not going to let an unmanned car pick her kid up at school. It's going to take a long time.In 50 years people who haven't even been born yet will be grandparents. People who will have grown up in a time when this technology becomes increasingly mundane. They'll tell scary stories to their grandkids about how people used to drive themselves and kill 30,000 people every year doing it. The kids will laugh at how stupid we were.It's too bad you weren't born a hundred years earlier. You could've stood around outside a bicycle shop in Dayton, "Orv, Wilb, I'm tellin' ya, this thing'll never get off the ground."So you think that in the near future we will have kids getting into cars with no drivers from their school and parents will trust that the kids will get home safely?
roadkill1292
Footballguy
People who have gone for rides in Google's cars report that it takes about 30 minutes before they forget that no one is driving. While it's true that 79% of Americans polled currently say that they would not feel comfortable riding in one, I think the innate human opposition will quickly dissipate because of a number of factors. First, the interim technology of V2V communication will enhance the driving chore by cars swapping data with the others in your vicinity. Lots of surprises will cease and even non-equipped cars will be identified by the newer ones as "rogues" and given special consideration. Even us oldsters will quickly become reliant. Second, we're only a couple of years before specialized delivery bots are using the roads routinely and those inclined to be early adapters and the very young will grow quickly accustomed to the idea of unmanned vehicles. Young people see technology different than the rest of us. And they'll be parents themselves soon enough.kutta said:Maybe you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I work on this type of technology. I agree that it is safer. But I'm realistic enough to know that the general population will not accept it for a long time. I think you give joe six pack way much credit. He's not giving up his pickup, and soccer mom is not going to let an unmanned car pick her kid up at school. It's going to take a long time.roadkill1292 said:In 50 years people who haven't even been born yet will be grandparents. People who will have grown up in a time when this technology becomes increasingly mundane. They'll tell scary stories to their grandkids about how people used to drive themselves and kill 30,000 people every year doing it. The kids will laugh at how stupid we were.It's too bad you weren't born a hundred years earlier. You could've stood around outside a bicycle shop in Dayton, "Orv, Wilb, I'm tellin' ya, this thing'll never get off the ground."kutta said:So you think that in the near future we will have kids getting into cars with no drivers from their school and parents will trust that the kids will get home safely?roadkill1292 said:kutta said:
Three years into the conversion, when automated vehicles are reporting accident rates 90% lower than human drivers, parents will be falling all over themselves to get these cars for themselves and their children.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
There will be more and more automated "safety" systems built into cars (like accident avoidance, cruise control with speed correction and auto-parking now) and by the time it comes to make the switch to complete automation, people will be used to their cars "taking over". Probably at first it'll be like cruise control, but as these safety systems prove to be more reliable, the clamor to further automate the car will come.
Full-driverless cars will be just like described earlier, you won't own a car (or most people won't), they'll just rent time. Could be like a cell-phone plan, you get X miles per month for $Y. Different models (higher luxury, more privacy, etc) will cost more. Parking lots will be reclaimed into usable space, all you need is a dropoff lane for most places. Structures will turn into the central locations where the cars sit while unused, although the companies owning them will spend a ton of $$ on algorithms to keep their fleet as fully utilized as possible while still being able to be responsive to non-scheduled whims.
Full-driverless cars will be just like described earlier, you won't own a car (or most people won't), they'll just rent time. Could be like a cell-phone plan, you get X miles per month for $Y. Different models (higher luxury, more privacy, etc) will cost more. Parking lots will be reclaimed into usable space, all you need is a dropoff lane for most places. Structures will turn into the central locations where the cars sit while unused, although the companies owning them will spend a ton of $$ on algorithms to keep their fleet as fully utilized as possible while still being able to be responsive to non-scheduled whims.
Quez
Footballguy
I think people will still own them. I could see an Uber like service though for sure.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The cheaper ones swerve and hit a tree. The luxury cars just run the kid over.
I can't see this happening for 100 years minimum.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The logistics of this happening are just mind boggling.
We need a "test city" to go all out and do this up right and see how it works out. Even that would take 10-20 years to get all set up.
We need a "test city" to go all out and do this up right and see how it works out. Even that would take 10-20 years to get all set up.
Riversco
Footballguy
I think 3d printers will get to the point where anyone can print their own car. People will stop renting cars, period.
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Inevitable.
Stage is set for self-driving cars that lack the ability of passengers to drive:
Stage is set for self-driving cars that lack the ability of passengers to drive:
People who say they don't want a self-driving are the same ones who said they wouldn't buy things online.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
I bet Google will (or already) test their fully autonomous vehicles somewhere in the developing world. They'll pay a government to allow full autonomous driving with and without passengers. If the auto pilot can successfully drive without accidents in Bangladesh or Bolivia, it sure as hell can do so where traffic laws are more closely obeyed and the road infrastructure is better. This is just like how early clinical trials are often done in the developing world, and not in the developed world.
kutta
Footballguy
But you can already get uber almost anytime and anywhere. What's the difference?
Dentist
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I have a buddy who lives in the heart of the city, lives pretty close to his work.
He started just using uber everyday, and ditched his car. Between gas, maintenance, taxes, etc. His family gets by cheaper and better with one car.
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
Brony
Footballguy
and funeral homes
Brony
Footballguy
this might be the end of the CB radio craze that has been sweeping the nation the last 40 years
Quez
Footballguy
This won't be a smooth transition. I don't see the truck drivers going away without putting up a fight. I foresee 18 wheelers parking on interstates in our future.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
While I'm sure this will be the case, I don't think it will get to the projected 80% anytime soon; but will see year over year declines once they become relatively common. Prior to self driving vehicles, current and future vehicles continue to improve in function and quality. Getting all manual vehicles off the road will takes years and years after self driving vehicles are on the road.
Dragons
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cstu
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
Interesting article - just a few years away:
General Motors (GM) is likely building a fleet of 725 self-driving taxis for its partnership with Lyft, with an intended launch date of January 2019, according to documents filed with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
This is the first concrete indication of the scale and intended deployment date of GM and Lyft’s autonomous on-demand network since GM announced a US $500 million investment in Lyft in January.
Any organization that wants to use a radio frequency device that has not been certified by the FCC needs to apply for an experimental license. This can include the radar systems that many autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles rely on to detect other road users.
Most experimental licenses involve only a handful of units. Earlier this year, for instance, Google applied for permission to test its 76-GHz long-range radars on its couple of dozen self-driving cars.
In late July, however, engineers at General Motors filed applications for thousands of millimeter range radar systems. The first involved 725 units of a device made by Conti Temic, a subsidiary of Continental, whose part number indicates that it is a long range radar. The second application was for 2175 units of a short range radar.
The 76-GHz radars represent “a new hardware generation”, according to a written request to the FCC for confidentiality by Jeffrey Clark, a GM engineer in charge of long range radars.
Self-driving cars typically have one long range radar facing forward, to detect cars up to several hundred meters away, and three short-range radars on the sides and back of the vehicle, with a range in the tens of meters. (2175 divided by three is 725.)
Such a high number of vehicles suggests a significant pilot program, probably in a single American city. (The licenses granted by FCC cover the entire continental United States.) This aligns with reports in May that Lyft would start testing a fleet of electric Chevrolet Bolt taxis in an undisclosed U.S. city within a year. GM is already testing a couple of autonomous Bolts in
California, using technology from Silicon Valley self-driving start-up Cruise Automation which it recently acquired for just under $600 million.
In a call with investors in July, GM CEO Mary Teresa Barra said:
“We’re working aggressively. The fact that we have the vehicles and we’re able to so quickly integrate the Cruise Automation software speaks to the speed at which we’re moving.”
In his letter to the FCC, Jeffrey Clark requested that “the duration of the experimental license shall cover the time until the market introduction, which is January 2019.” In the end, however, the FCC granted GM permission to use the new radars only until 1 August 2018.
Ride-share rival Uber, which is currently testing an autonomous Ford Fusion in Pittsburgh, says that the company is “still in the early days of our self-driving efforts.”
Neither GM, Lyft, nor Continental responded to requests for a comment.
General Motors (GM) is likely building a fleet of 725 self-driving taxis for its partnership with Lyft, with an intended launch date of January 2019, according to documents filed with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
This is the first concrete indication of the scale and intended deployment date of GM and Lyft’s autonomous on-demand network since GM announced a US $500 million investment in Lyft in January.
Any organization that wants to use a radio frequency device that has not been certified by the FCC needs to apply for an experimental license. This can include the radar systems that many autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles rely on to detect other road users.
Most experimental licenses involve only a handful of units. Earlier this year, for instance, Google applied for permission to test its 76-GHz long-range radars on its couple of dozen self-driving cars.
In late July, however, engineers at General Motors filed applications for thousands of millimeter range radar systems. The first involved 725 units of a device made by Conti Temic, a subsidiary of Continental, whose part number indicates that it is a long range radar. The second application was for 2175 units of a short range radar.
The 76-GHz radars represent “a new hardware generation”, according to a written request to the FCC for confidentiality by Jeffrey Clark, a GM engineer in charge of long range radars.
Self-driving cars typically have one long range radar facing forward, to detect cars up to several hundred meters away, and three short-range radars on the sides and back of the vehicle, with a range in the tens of meters. (2175 divided by three is 725.)
Such a high number of vehicles suggests a significant pilot program, probably in a single American city. (The licenses granted by FCC cover the entire continental United States.) This aligns with reports in May that Lyft would start testing a fleet of electric Chevrolet Bolt taxis in an undisclosed U.S. city within a year. GM is already testing a couple of autonomous Bolts in
California, using technology from Silicon Valley self-driving start-up Cruise Automation which it recently acquired for just under $600 million.
In a call with investors in July, GM CEO Mary Teresa Barra said:
“We’re working aggressively. The fact that we have the vehicles and we’re able to so quickly integrate the Cruise Automation software speaks to the speed at which we’re moving.”
In his letter to the FCC, Jeffrey Clark requested that “the duration of the experimental license shall cover the time until the market introduction, which is January 2019.” In the end, however, the FCC granted GM permission to use the new radars only until 1 August 2018.
Ride-share rival Uber, which is currently testing an autonomous Ford Fusion in Pittsburgh, says that the company is “still in the early days of our self-driving efforts.”
Neither GM, Lyft, nor Continental responded to requests for a comment.
Buzzbait
Footballguy
For those that actually enjoy the driving experience we may eventually need to go to our white haired uncles place out in the country. 
Red Barchetta
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