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That's what I was wondering about. Who did he even have to beat out to be the #1 WR? Maurice Stovall, Reggie Brown and an injured Arrelious Benn? Not exactly a hall of fame group they have there. Can any Tampa homers chime in on what they expect out of the offense this year?Otis said:
The fact that coaches clearly and decisively made him the WR1 almost immediately says a lot about the separation that he displayed between himself and the rest of the WRs on the roster. I think we can agree that it's not a Herculean feat to beat out the likes of Brown/Clayton/Stovall/Stroughter/Benn, but those guys are NFL caliber WRs and it's pretty impressive that a rookie was able to lap them immediately. If his WR1 promotion been based more on desperation and less on merit, it wouldn't have happened so rapidly and his WR1 status wouldn't be so firm. Williams is probably still undervalued in dynasty and definitely undervalued in redraft. I can't think of many reasons not to like his chances this season besides the fact that he's a rookie who hasn't proven his ability in meaningful games yet.Otis said:
He got traded today?
Yes. I don't really get the OP, he hasn't been paying attention, and hasn't seen the kid, and is questioning why there is hype. Going to a team that has been bad doesn't mean he cannot be a great player, or put up numbers. Steve Smith put up numbers on bad teams, lots of players do it, and they do it every year. Just go to nfl.com, and watch the Bucs highlights. Great WRs, when they are young, what you want them to show as rookies is exactly what Williams showed this preseason. It's a long way to go before he is a known quantity, and people can trust him to start for them, but (and I said this before), if he was on the Ravens or Jets, was a late 1st or 2nd round pick, and had this preseason, there would be hysteria. Take advantage of the fact that this kid is playing for Tampa, and off the radar a bit.Banger said:
So we should roll with this guy this week as a WR# 3 right?
I would treat him about the same as Dez Bryant. what I saw was excellent leaping ability and abilty to control his body in midair. I think he will be an awesome red zone target, but may need to refine his route running a bit. you have to remember he is a rookie, and there will be some growing pains there. In my 12 team league where you start 3 WR's he would be treated as a backup for now. I dont have him on my team, but if I did he would be my #4 guy. I'd predict about 800-900 yards receiving and I would guess the first 2-3 weeks of the year will be where he learns what it really takes to be a pro. so I wouldnt start him right away.by mid season you may be starting him, but I wouldnt start him yet. Just stash him on your roster for a couple weeks and see how he does before choosing to start him.
I think he would be a hold. Maybe a sell if you're worried about his character problems or Benn overshadowing him.
This is a very good point. And add to that Freeman is on the injury report with his thumb. This gets mentioned intermittently but tends to get drowned by the hype and enthusiasm of preseason. Everybody COULD win the SB or be the MVP/ROY this time of year after all. Still, a key target, even on a low power offense, could be great in FF, especially in a PPR. Welker doesn't score a ton of TD's either but that's not where he makes you money. Rather, its in the fact that he gets like 10-12 targets a contest or 15+ ffpts or so like clockwork. Sims-Walker was extremely consistent last year for this reason. I can see this kid having a somewhat similar season and situation as MSW of last year.I agree we need to temper the love with the situation but I'm really glad to be on this particular bandwagon.
History tells us this is very unlikely.. I am doubtful. For one, TB stinks. Their D will be bad. Their running game will be bad. The passing game will be bad. They won't score a lot of points. 4 win team, here.So he's a "first round talent". Maybe, but that doesn't matter. Even first round WR struggle in year one. Pretty much all of them, no matter how talented. Nobody's talking about Thomas or Dez Bryant. Hakeem Nicks is a stud, didn't get 1000 yards last year. He may even lead the Bucs in receiving. But if he does, IMO, it's to the tune of 750/3. I do not think TB has a 1,000 yard WR in that passing game.I agree the kid has talent. And for a dynasty league, particularly PPR, I'd love it. Freeman to Williams, all day baby.In 2 years, though.
Put this in your pipe, though: TB is soft.
I am. Own him in several leagues but he's only going to start in one. In a league with only 5 bench spots (9 starters, 5 bench spots) he will be my #3 this week. My other option (singular) is Mike Wallace. I could chicken out and plug in Wallace but it's unlikely due to Dixon. Santonio Holmes is taking one of my 5 precious bench spots.
ha ha. We shall soon see. You make good points. Now we segway (sp?) to to the Caddy/Kareem Huggins debate...
I'm starting Mike Williams over Wallace in my WR/TE flex. I don't trust Dixon, either.
(sp) is right.It's "segue".
This is the correct answer.
The 1TD was a deflected ball. Not a routinely executed play. For whatever that is worth.
Which really isnt much
TD catch video hereI still think Williams looks good, and Josh Freeman looks capable too despite currently dealing with a fractured thumb.
You're right. It was MORE impressive than an average catch.Otis said:
I don't know about drops, but he was the most targeted player on the Bucs with 9 of em. Had Freeman not misthrown so horribly on what would've been an easy TD for the wide open Williams, he would've had a 6 receptions, 83 yards, 2 TD day and he'd be one of the hottest adds on the waiver wire. The kid is legit and Freeman is gonna look for him a ton.killrobotkill said:
Wobbling duck tossed up there by Freeman, looks like that thumb is still bothering him. Here's a clearer video of his touchdown catch: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-pl...tacular-TD-snag
Otis said:
Freeman threw threw the ball behind him and didn't appear to have enough zip on the ball all day long. The bright side is that he almost had a huge TD that Joe Haden broke up and another one that Freeman missed him on. He was clearly the #1 target for Freeman and got a few Red-Zone targets.
Not sure why some are giving the impression TMW caught a tipped pass for a TD is a negative.... The fact is, he was the intended target. My only reservation about him is Freeman's thumb injury; it clearly affected a couple passes I saw. I know this is a young QB/WR combo, but if Freeman's thumb were 100%, I'd feel very comfortable starting TMW as my WR3 every single week.
