Sen. Rand Paul ‘detained’ by TSA in Nashville (1 Viewer)

[crewmember]

Can a man get a pat down from a woman if he ask?

 

[NCCommish]

“It’s like, well, I can’t call my attorney? I can’t call my office to tell them I’m going to miss a speech to 200,000 people?”

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Link?

I travel on a semi-regular basis, and don't have a problem with the security in place. It could be better, and we could could have better trained folks, but it really is a minor inconvenience.

Oh, and BTW, I would really hate it if everyone who set of the alarm simply went back through the scanner - talk about wasting everyone's time... If you trip the alarm, you move on to the next screening area, and you don't hold up the line for everyone else because you forgot your keys, or were holding a cell phone.

TSA wastes your time every time they pretend to be protecting you with scanners the Europeans are pulling due to radiation and cancer concerns. Or when they molest your toddler in the name of security.

I travel 100k miles a year so I have been to my fair share of airports. I do not feel more safe with the TSA. Half of the time the agent at the bag x-ray has a glazed over look on their face so it begs the question how closely are they looking over each bags contents.

I have my 1-QT bag where I put most of my liquids/gels but I do often have 3-4 liquids (travel size hand sanitizer, lotion, mouthwash,etc) in my work bag that passes through security every time. The whole liquids thing is a joke too.

The main reason it's a joke is because even an PhD chemist would find it pretty much impossible to mix anything into an explosive in the airplane bathroom. It's just not a legit concern. If they want a bomb the luggage guy will make sure it's on the plane.

It's not to prevent mixing chemicals to make a BOMB There's plenty you could do with mixed chemicals on a plane that don't involve an explosion.

Yeah that was the reason they started limiting liquids. And anything else you could do would put you at risk to be affected by it before you could deploy it properly. Lastly why would you carry it on when you can have your buddy the plane cleaner put anything you want on board?

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Can a man get a pat down from a woman if he ask?

No, that would be "inappropriate".

 

[gianmarco]

I might vote for him now.

 

[mad sweeney]

What's the point of having the scanner if TSA can just say we also need to do the full pat down. I would love to see the statistics on how many dangerous objects they have prevented from getting on planes that were not seen on the scanner, but found after the pat down. Lock down the cockpits and stop all of this nonsense.

"A targeted pat down is used to resolve the alarm."the scanner found something, they need to verify what it is. IT seems like they pat down that general area.Maybe there should be no scanners at all, but there are, so i don't know what people expect them to do when they are triggered.Arrest the travelerLet him board anywayFurther investigatethose are the options I see

The original story was that it was a FULL BODY pat down. That's the problem. They see what looks like a quarter in your pocket, but then commence with a full pat down. Beyond silly.Again, show me some statistics where a gun could not be identified by the scanner, but was subsequently found via the pat down. If those numbers were even one in a million, there would be a different company providing the scanners.

How many guns did the 9/11 guys use? The Shoe Bomber? The dude that burned up his crotch?

 

[crewmember]

Can a man get a pat down from a woman if he ask?

No, that would be "inappropriate".

I don't even care about all the other stuff but that makes me furious. Customer should get what they want, I don't get how you don't get the option. Even if you say you are gay? Cause I'm not above that.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Please explain to me why a simple pat down is wrong? Look if you trip the alarm, you get pat down. takes maybe 30 seconds, the people are usually very nice. If you have nothing to hide there is no issue. I dont understand why you hassel the TSA agent for doing their job.

This guy thinks it's wrong:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/t/tsa-pat-down-leaves-traveler-covered-urine/

Are we safer from them doing it? I am not sure, but I do know that we have not had planes fly into buildings or worse by having this security system. Can it be improved sure. But I think Mr. Paul thought he was above the system, glad they just did not let him pass.

You know what's more likely prevented planes from flying in to buildings since 9/11? Locks on the cockpit doors. It's physically impossible for a terrorist to get in to the cockpit now. So, do we really need to humiliate thousands of people daily given the impossibility of terrorists taking over a plane now?

 

[snogger]

Jellycock?

Just get the luggage guys to get this on the plane.

The reviews are all kinds of awesome.

 

[shake zula]

Jellycock?

They've got pills for that.

link? not that I need that.

 

[StrikeS2k]

TSA’s intrusions undermine securitySenator or not, we’re all stripped of our freedom and dignityBy Sen. Rand PaulThe Washington TimesMonday, January 23, 2012Monday, while en route to Washington to speak to hundreds of thousands of people at the March for Life, I was detained by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for not agreeing to a patdown after an irregularity was found in my full body scan. Despite removing my belt, glasses, wallet and shoes, the scanner and TSA also wanted my dignity. I refused.I showed them the potentially offending part of my body, my leg. They were not interested. They wanted to touch me and to pat me down. I requested to be rescanned. They refused and detained me in a 10-foot-by-10-foot area reserved for potential terrorists.I told them that I was a frequent flier and that just days ago I was allowed to be rescanned when the scanner made an error. At no time did I ask for special treatment, but I did insist that all travelers be awarded some decency and leniency in accommodating the screening process.My detention was real and I was repeatedly instructed not to leave the holding area. When I used my phone to inform my office that I would miss my flight, and thus miss my speech to the March for Life, I was told that now I would be subjected to a full body patdown.I asked if I could simply restart the screening process to show that the machine had made an error. I was denied and informed that since I used my phone, to call for help, I must now submit or not fly.Let me be clear: I neither asked for nor expect any special treatment for being a U.S. senator. In fact, this case is not about me at all. This is about every single one of us and how we are sick of the intrusive nature of our government.While sitting in the cubicle, I thought to myself, have the terrorists won? Have we sacrificed our liberty and our dignity for security? Finally, the airport head of TSA arrived after I had missed my flight. He let me go back through the scanner and this time the scanner did not go off. The only comment from TSA was that some of the alarms are simply random.So passengers who do everything right, remove their belts, remove their wallets, remove their shoes, their glasses and all of the contents in their pockets are then subjected to random patdowns and tricked into believing that the scanners actually detected something.I have been through some of this with TSA Director John S. Pistole before. Last spring, a 6-year-old girl from Bowling Green was subjected to an invasive search despite her parent’s objections. Mr. Pistole claimed that small children were indeed a risk because a girl in Kandahar, Afghanistan, had exploded a bomb in a market in Afghanistan. But Mr. Pistole, this girl wasn’t from Kandahar and she wasn’t in Afghanistan. Isn’t there a significant difference?In writing, he replied that TSA concluded because a child in a market in Afghanistan exploded a bomb, all American children needed to be evaluated as potential threats. My response: If you treat everyone equally as a potential threat, then you direct much attention to those who are never going to attack us and spend less time with those whose risk profiles indicate a need for tougher screening.Random screenings not based on risk assessments misdirect the screening process and add to the indignity of travel. Those passengers who suffer through the process of partially disrobing should be rewarded with less invasive examination.Ever since the news of my struggle with TSA, the phones in my office have been ringing off the hook with calls from citizens who sympathize with my frustration, as they, too, feel their liberties are being compromised every time they travel. My office is being inundated with their stories of assault and harassment by TSA agents. This agency’s disregard for our civil liberties is something we are expected to understand and accept. But we are tired of being insulted and we are tired of having our dignity compromised. TSA was created in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but was it necessary? Has it overstepped its bounds? Is it respecting the rights of citizens?It is time for us to question the effectiveness of TSA. America can prosper, preserve personal liberty and repel national security threats without intruding into the personal lives of its citizens.Every time we travel, we are expected to surrender our Fourth Amendment rights, yet willingly giving up our rights does not make us any safer. It is infuriating that this agency feels entitled to revoke our civil liberties while doing little to keep us safe.Is the TSA looking at flight manifests? Are we researching those boarding the planes? Are we targeting or looking at those who might attack us? Apparently not, if we are wasting our time patting down 6-year-old girls.If a federally funded TSA is going to exist, then its focus should be on police work and it must respect the rights of citizens. The TSA should not universally insult all travelers; it should however research, track, monitor and target people that are, in fact, threats to our nation.This blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which protects Americans against unwarranted search and seizure, has insulted many citizens, and rightfully so. I, along with many other travelers, do not view traveling as a crime that warrants government search and seizure. In fact, I view traveling as a basic right, for Americans are free to travel from state to state as they please.I refused an unnecessary patdown and stood up for my rights as an American citizen. This is a battle Americans face every time they fly. It is my firm belief that TSA should not have such broad authority to violate our constitutional rights in ineffective and invasive physical searches, thus I will further push for the reinstatement of traveler privacy and rights. I will be proposing legislation that will allow for adults to be rescreened if they so choose.Sen. Rand Paul is a Republican from Kentucky.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/23/tsas-intrusions-undermine-security/?page=all#pagebreak

 

[Fennis]

while en route to Washington to speak to hundreds of thousands of people at the March for Life, I was detained

I'm good with it.

 

[NCCommish]

As far as I am concerned the Paul's are absolutely right on this issue and I can agree with that letter as well.

 

[phrozen]

TSA’s intrusions undermine securitySenator or not, we’re all stripped of our freedom and dignityBy Sen. Rand PaulThe Washington TimesMonday, January 23, 2012Monday, while en route to Washington to speak to hundreds of thousands of people at the March for Life, I was detained by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for not agreeing to a patdown after an irregularity was found in my full body scan. Despite removing my belt, glasses, wallet and shoes, the scanner and TSA also wanted my dignity. I refused.I showed them the potentially offending part of my body, my leg. They were not interested. They wanted to touch me and to pat me down. I requested to be rescanned. They refused and detained me in a 10-foot-by-10-foot area reserved for potential terrorists.I told them that I was a frequent flier and that just days ago I was allowed to be rescanned when the scanner made an error. At no time did I ask for special treatment, but I did insist that all travelers be awarded some decency and leniency in accommodating the screening process.My detention was real and I was repeatedly instructed not to leave the holding area. When I used my phone to inform my office that I would miss my flight, and thus miss my speech to the March for Life, I was told that now I would be subjected to a full body patdown.I asked if I could simply restart the screening process to show that the machine had made an error. I was denied and informed that since I used my phone, to call for help, I must now submit or not fly.Let me be clear: I neither asked for nor expect any special treatment for being a U.S. senator. In fact, this case is not about me at all. This is about every single one of us and how we are sick of the intrusive nature of our government.While sitting in the cubicle, I thought to myself, have the terrorists won? Have we sacrificed our liberty and our dignity for security? Finally, the airport head of TSA arrived after I had missed my flight. He let me go back through the scanner and this time the scanner did not go off. The only comment from TSA was that some of the alarms are simply random.So passengers who do everything right, remove their belts, remove their wallets, remove their shoes, their glasses and all of the contents in their pockets are then subjected to random patdowns and tricked into believing that the scanners actually detected something.I have been through some of this with TSA Director John S. Pistole before. Last spring, a 6-year-old girl from Bowling Green was subjected to an invasive search despite her parent’s objections. Mr. Pistole claimed that small children were indeed a risk because a girl in Kandahar, Afghanistan, had exploded a bomb in a market in Afghanistan. But Mr. Pistole, this girl wasn’t from Kandahar and she wasn’t in Afghanistan. Isn’t there a significant difference?In writing, he replied that TSA concluded because a child in a market in Afghanistan exploded a bomb, all American children needed to be evaluated as potential threats. My response: If you treat everyone equally as a potential threat, then you direct much attention to those who are never going to attack us and spend less time with those whose risk profiles indicate a need for tougher screening.Random screenings not based on risk assessments misdirect the screening process and add to the indignity of travel. Those passengers who suffer through the process of partially disrobing should be rewarded with less invasive examination.Ever since the news of my struggle with TSA, the phones in my office have been ringing off the hook with calls from citizens who sympathize with my frustration, as they, too, feel their liberties are being compromised every time they travel. My office is being inundated with their stories of assault and harassment by TSA agents. This agency’s disregard for our civil liberties is something we are expected to understand and accept. But we are tired of being insulted and we are tired of having our dignity compromised. TSA was created in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but was it necessary? Has it overstepped its bounds? Is it respecting the rights of citizens?It is time for us to question the effectiveness of TSA. America can prosper, preserve personal liberty and repel national security threats without intruding into the personal lives of its citizens.Every time we travel, we are expected to surrender our Fourth Amendment rights, yet willingly giving up our rights does not make us any safer. It is infuriating that this agency feels entitled to revoke our civil liberties while doing little to keep us safe.Is the TSA looking at flight manifests? Are we researching those boarding the planes? Are we targeting or looking at those who might attack us? Apparently not, if we are wasting our time patting down 6-year-old girls.If a federally funded TSA is going to exist, then its focus should be on police work and it must respect the rights of citizens. The TSA should not universally insult all travelers; it should however research, track, monitor and target people that are, in fact, threats to our nation.This blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment, which protects Americans against unwarranted search and seizure, has insulted many citizens, and rightfully so. I, along with many other travelers, do not view traveling as a crime that warrants government search and seizure. In fact, I view traveling as a basic right, for Americans are free to travel from state to state as they please.I refused an unnecessary patdown and stood up for my rights as an American citizen. This is a battle Americans face every time they fly. It is my firm belief that TSA should not have such broad authority to violate our constitutional rights in ineffective and invasive physical searches, thus I will further push for the reinstatement of traveler privacy and rights. I will be proposing legislation that will allow for adults to be rescreened if they so choose.Sen. Rand Paul is a Republican from Kentucky.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/23/tsas-intrusions-undermine-security/?page=all#pagebreak

 

[pittstownkiller]

This is one place the Pauls and I agree. The TSA security kabuki is ridiculous. It isn't stopping anything, it sure isn't stopping the unscreened and unpatted down ground crews from doing whatever they want and they fail miserably test after test. Do away with it all ready. Let the airports and airlines run it. Two things have changed since 911. Cockpit doors are hardened and passengers will never again sit on their hands in the face of a hijacking. You can't take a plane with a box cutter anymore.

If you want to get explosives onto a plane, you do it via a ground crew member who bypasses all of these checks.

Careful DD, you'll make the no-fly list with all this helpful advice.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

The TSA is a joke and should be done away with, they have not stopped anything and only because of inept terrorists have no planes gone down. Waste of time and money and accomplishes absolutely squat.

 

[Jedi Knight]

I've said it before. The 9-11 attacks will never happen again because of one reason. The passengers won't allow it. It used to be that we were conditioned to give in to hijacker demands. After 9-11, if someone attempts to hijack the plane, the passengers will be all over him like white on rice. Besides that, the locking of the cockpit doors and MUCH fuller passenger loads will also discourage any ideas of hijacking a plane.

The time for TSA has passed. They are one of the biggest wastes of government money and need to go away.

 

[Dvorak]

Mr. Pistole claimed that small children were indeed a risk because a girl in Kandahar, Afghanistan, had exploded a bomb in a market in Afghanistan.

I would have responded asking him that if 1 little girl in Kandahar means all little girls are threats, what does 10 TSA screeners being charged with child pornography in 2011 say about their organization as a whole???

 

[Sinn Fein]

Did someone say terrorist?