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Sequels that ruined a franchise... for you. (1 Viewer)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Dirty Dancing 2. No Swayze, no way-zee.
Yeah, think that is a pretty universally loved sequel. The 3rd one tends to be somewhat forgotten or at least not nearly as celebrated compared to the first two though.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The 2nd truly feels like the conclusion to the story. It just feels like it belongs. The third one feels out of place and very much like a sequel.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The Neverending Story 2. I mean the first one's not even over yet.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Definitely Star Wars for me. And it wasn't any one particular film that ruined the franchise, just a series of bad decisions with no intervening good decisions. The original trilogy is a timeless classic. The prequels are badly written, badly acted, and badly directed, but at least they have a compelling storyline. I don't understand what the new sequels are supposed to be accomplishing, and I finally tapped out after Episode 8. I've never seen Episode 9 and I have no plans to do so. I also don't plan on watching any of the television shows or seeing any future movies. This franchise ended in 2005 as far as I'm concerned.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Yes, Star Wars Eps 8 and 9 sucked, but some of you guys are missing out if you haven't seen some of the new content (e.g., The Mandalorian, Obi Wan Kenobi).
El Floppo
Footballguy
I will fight you. that was god-awful. watched an episode plus of Obi Wan... better, mostly by having McGregor in it. but even that started getting goofy fast with the writing.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
But don't all of the Star Wars films (even the originals) have some degree of goofiness in their scripts?
El Floppo
Footballguy
I SAID I WILL FIGHT YOU.
yeah... they're not meant to be high-falutin or anything... even the beloved first trilogy was pretty laughable at times. but Mando got dumbed down even more than the terrible middle trilogy. and it didn't feel like it had to be- it's all there to be decent, but it just felt like a cynical cash-grab to make it as stupid as possible.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Star Wars has been pretty consistently bad throughout. You all just became adults.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I've never watched all the way through anything past #3.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I tapped out after Attack of the Clones. I just didn't care to know any more about any of it. I like the original trilogy. They are fun movies but you can't ever fully recapture that feeling. Just like getting high or having sex with your wife, you can never get back to how things were the first few times. The magic can't go on forever. I also found Lucas altering the original trilogy and not making the original version available to be super annoying. The super fans are even more annoying. Selling to Disney is just the flies on the dookie at this point.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I just pretend my wife is Princess Leia every time.
Leia from Return of the Jedi. Not Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Leia from Return of the Jedi. Not Obi-Wan Kenobi.
nirad3
Footballguy
El Floppo said:
Great one. Fletch is probably my favorite movie of all time. Fletch 2 was a complete disaster, although it was filmed super-close to where my wife grew up.
Here's one I didn't see mentioned: True Detective on HBO. Season 1 with Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson was some of the best TV I've ever seen. Could not get enough of that. Season 2 with Colin Ferrell and Vince Vaughn was absolutely terrible. Complete poop-show.
MTskibum
Footballguy
nirad3
Footballguy
I liked fletch 2 as much as the original
Hmph. I've seen Fletch no less than 40 times. I think I saw Fletch 2 twice. It's terrible. And in comparison to the legendary original, the gap is huge.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No sequel can really ruin a good original. Just don't watch the sequel.
The worst sequel of a great movie is Robocop 2.
The worst sequel of a great movie is Robocop 2.
massraider
Footballguy
This.Grahamburn said:
massraider
Footballguy
Which Spider-Man was it when the black suit turned Tobey Maguire (adult bed-wetter, and probable thumb-sucker) into Edgy Tobey With Hair Gel?
That one.
That one.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
People like to say this but it's not true.Grahamburn said:
The OT treated the fans, including children, like adults.
Everything else has treated the fans, including adults, like children.
rockaction
Footballguy
Weezer after Maladroit. The next ones had me just shaking my head in disbelief.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
What about those movies is more adult than the others? I don’t see the difference, but I didn’t grow up watching Star Wars when it originally came out. If you can accept that it’s all pretty silly they’re more fun.
Men born in 1965 or so take their Star Wars pretty seriously and aren’t real keen on admitting a big part of their childhood was silly kids’ stuff.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
But the question was what sequel ruined the franchise.
In the spirit of your idea here - I was surprised recently how bad Jurassic Park 2 was. Same great director and everything.
One that popped into my mind for the OP was Terminator: Salvation. I don't hate what part 3 was trying to do, but Salvation was a terrible watch at the theater.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
And I addressed that in the first part of my response - the answer is "None".
JP2 & Salvation are good noms. But now we're just listing bad sequels. JP, T1, and T2 are still awesomely watchable.
I think Die Hard 2 and Temple of Doom are torture devices - but Die Hard & Raiders are still at least once a year rituals for me.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I just watched both Empire & Jedi yesterday (the pre-Special Edition versions) yesterday. It had been a while and it was striking to me how much more serious they are in tone.
Anyway, no need to go over all this about Star Wars...again.
Anyway, no need to go over all this about Star Wars...again.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
More serious than what? Episodes 1 and 2 I’ll give you. Probably not Sith or any of the new ones. Return of the Jedi is a joke from beginning to end.
It’s all pretty hokey. It’s easier to enjoy the story outside the original trilogy if you admit that. That’s all I’m saying.
El Floppo
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I remember when Lucas remixed ad limited re-released the original trilogy with some new special effects (iirc, in advance of the 2nd trilogy). My friends and I all saw SW (or whatever the hell it's called now) on opening night at the Ziegfeld (giant special occasion movie theater here in NYC). With the rest of the audience, spent a lot of it cheering at the nostalgia, but mostly laughing out loud at the not-remembered terrible writing and acting (primarily Hammill, who was godawful).
It was the first clearly played out Joseph Campbell hero-journey movies I can remember, which worked great. But the writing and acting didn't translate so well as an adult.
Capella
Footballguy
Yes, when I met my wife who is a bit younger than me, she had never seen Star Wars. I was excited to show them to her! You’re gonna love them! Mid-way through the first movie (IV) she said holy crap this acting is so bad why is this popular?
me:
get out She’s a fan now but for the same reasons a lot of us are. They are fun stories but not well-acted or even written. And don’t even get her started on what she refers to as the ‘Star Wars Bears’ in episode 6 — she laughed through the entire Ewoks scenes.
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