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Serious Topic: Daughter's Friend and Mother are Being Abused (1 Viewer)

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Serious replies only, please.

Yesterday, my daughter asked if her friend, Carol, could sleep at our house tonight. I agreed because I've known for a while that Carol's life at home is difficult as her father is an alcoholic. I've never met the man. He never attends sporting or school events. I've only met the mother a couple of times. When I got home last night, my daughter was on the phone with Carol which is unusual because they almost never talk preferring instead to text, instagram or snapchat. This morning, my wife said that Carol and her mother spent last night at a hotel because they weren't safe at home. My wife said she doesn't know the nature of the abuse. I immediately said that both Carol and her mother are welcome to stay with us.

How can we best help them? I don't know if the mother is going to stay with us or not.

 
atleast the mom has enough sense to remove herself and daughter from the situation

maybe a restraining order would be a good idea? not sure if that's a good first step or just moving out/into chets basement for the time being to see if the father can shape up and recognize what hes doing

 
I'd get the police involved so that a restraining order will be easy to get and honestly the d-bag can get arrested. Maybe the wife doesn't want to press charges, but if the daughter is getting hurt, I don't think the dad is going to shape up.

 
You're a good man Chet. What you've done is provide a safe avenue and that's really all you can do. The rest is up to the mom. She has to decide if she wants to take you up on your offer, make other arrangements or live the way she has been living. If she decides to stay with the dad, I would make it clear the daughter is welcome to stay at your house for the foreseeable future.

 
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.

 
The mother needs to call the police.

You need to give them a place to stay. Get ready for lots of drama. This is not going to be easy and will get ugly. Be prepared for drunk dad to show up at your house at night raising hell. Call the police immediately. Do the right thing for this kid and her mom.

 
Man, this is a tough one.

I suppose if one of my kids came home and told me this about one of their friends, I would probably try and reach out somehow to the mom and just let her know you have a safe place for them. Or ask her what help she needs.

 
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If they are in physical danger the situation needs to be reported to social services. Ideally the mother or daughter would go through the school or a medical professional, who are all mandatory reporters. Beyond that people in this situation need to find a safe space to live and lots of emotional support.

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
lock the doors and call the police, you really can't handle anything else as they will not hear a single word that you say.

 
If the mother agrees to stay, should I set ground rules? I don't want my family to be in danger but I want to provide a safe place for them.

 
I don't have much to add as I don't have any experience in this, but just wanted to say- Chet, you're a good dude.

Good luck.

 
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ChiefD said:
Man, this is a tough one.

I suppose if one of my kids came home and told me this about one of their friends, I would probably try and reach out somehow to the mom and just let her know you have a safe place for them. Or ask her what help she needs.
My wife was going to reach out to the wife. They're relatively new to the school and city--this is their second year--and my wife doesn't know if the mother has any friends here.

 
First and foremost, protect your family from this scumbag. Your wife reaching out to the woman is a good move in that she may feel more comfortable talking to another woman. But you guys can't call the police for her( unless he shows up at your front door of course ), she has to call them or social services on her own. You getting involved that much can only cause yourself more headaches. Offer advice, assistance, and a place to stay and hopefully she will seek the help she needs. Good luck, chet, hopefully thode Women get away from him and remain safe.

 
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I'd get the police involved. I'd also let them say if you have the space. No I wouldn't set ground rules other than ####bag dad isn't welcome under any circumstances.

 
First and foremost, protect your family from this scumbag. Your wife reaching out to the woman is a good move in that she may feel more comfortable talking to another woman. But you guys can't call the police for her( unless he shows up at your front door of course ), she has to call them or social services on her own. You getting involved that much can only cause yourself more headaches. Offer advice, assistance, and a place to stay and hopefully she will seek the help she needs. Good luck, chet, hopefully thode Women get away from him and remain safe.
That's kinda selfish isn't it?

 
If the mother agrees to stay, should I set ground rules? I don't want my family to be in danger but I want to provide a safe place for them.
There is not enough information to answer this question. If it were me, I would invite the mother over, sit her down and say, "I've been told a little about your situation second hand. I certainly don't want to pry into your affairs, but my daughter loves your daughter, we care about you, and we want to help in any way we can. If you want to talk about it, I'm all ears. Otherwise tell me what I can do to help you."

Until you have this conversation, until you know what's really going on, I believe a lot of the advice you're receiving is premature.

 
First and foremost, protect your family from this scumbag. Your wife reaching out to the woman is a good move in that she may feel more comfortable talking to another woman. But you guys can't call the police for her( unless he shows up at your front door of course ), she has to call them or social services on her own. You getting involved that much can only cause yourself more headaches. Offer advice, assistance, and a place to stay and hopefully she will seek the help she needs. Good luck, chet, hopefully thode Women get away from him and remain safe.
That's kinda selfish isn't it?
Well he is opening up his house to somewhat strangers so he is being far from selfish. I just think it's a fine line to cross by calling the police without her consent. Without being a direct witness to the abuse, him calling the police without her knowledge or consent Can only cause himself more headaches.ETA: along the lines of what Tim said. (Can't believe I just typed that)

 
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First and foremost, protect your family from this scumbag. Your wife reaching out to the woman is a good move in that she may feel more comfortable talking to another woman. But you guys can't call the police for her( unless he shows up at your front door of course ), she has to call them or social services on her own. You getting involved that much can only cause yourself more headaches. Offer advice, assistance, and a place to stay and hopefully she will seek the help she needs. Good luck, chet, hopefully thode Women get away from him and remain safe.
That's kinda selfish isn't it?
Not really. He can get the ball rolling by calling the cops I guess, but ultimately, the mom has to be willing to go through the steps it will take.

 
First and foremost, protect your family from this scumbag. Your wife reaching out to the woman is a good move in that she may feel more comfortable talking to another woman. But you guys can't call the police for her( unless he shows up at your front door of course ), she has to call them or social services on her own. You getting involved that much can only cause yourself more headaches. Offer advice, assistance, and a place to stay and hopefully she will seek the help she needs. Good luck, chet, hopefully thode Women get away from him and remain safe.
That's kinda selfish isn't it?
Well he is opening up his house to somewhat strangers, I just think it's a fine line to cross by calling the police without her consent. Without being a direct witness to the abuse, him calling the police without her knowledge or consent Can only calls himself more headaches.
Understand your point but calling the police about something you think may be happening isn't convicting the guy. It's like calling the police if you hear screaming next door - it could be a murder in process or it could be kids screaming playing a video game. That's for the cops to figure out.

I think knowing the wife and daughter didn't feel safe at home is a problem worth looking into.

 
Providing them support and an "out" is important, even if they don't take you up on it. It's great that you have the space and can offer this.

I wouldn't call the police until you know more though. That will set a series of events in motion that may or may not help them. There just isn't enough information.

 
If the mother agrees to stay, should I set ground rules? I don't want my family to be in danger but I want to provide a safe place for them.
There are battered women's shelters designed for this sort of thing.

It would also probably help contacting a family law attorney in your area for them. They'll help you/them better than a message board.

 
If the mother agrees to stay, should I set ground rules? I don't want my family to be in danger but I want to provide a safe place for them.
There are battered women's shelters designed for this sort of thing.

It would also probably help contacting a family law attorney in your area for them. They'll help you/them better than a message board.
:lmao:

 
If you or your wife aren't good friends with the mother, then you should not be inviting them to stay at your house.
We aren't good friends at all. I've only met her a couple of times.

Obviously I don't know many details about their situation other than those that I've mentioned but I am in a position to help and wouldn't feel right if didn't offer it. I know the daughter--she's spent a bunch of time at our place and plays sports with our daughter. At the very least, I want her to know that she's got a safe place to stay.

 
Does drunk Dad know where you live Chet?
And does drunk Dad own a gun? Do you own a gun?
He could figure out my address through the school's directory if he put two and two together.

I own a shotgun but don't keep ammo in the house.

I don't know if he owns a gun. If I had to guess, I'd say no because I believe he's European and just moved here from Italy a year ago.

 
First and foremost, protect your family from this scumbag. Your wife reaching out to the woman is a good move in that she may feel more comfortable talking to another woman. But you guys can't call the police for her( unless he shows up at your front door of course ), she has to call them or social services on her own. You getting involved that much can only cause yourself more headaches. Offer advice, assistance, and a place to stay and hopefully she will seek the help she needs. Good luck, chet, hopefully thode Women get away from him and remain safe.
That's kinda selfish isn't it?
Well he is opening up his house to somewhat strangers, I just think it's a fine line to cross by calling the police without her consent. Without being a direct witness to the abuse, him calling the police without her knowledge or consent Can only calls himself more headaches.
Understand your point but calling the police about something you think may be happening isn't convicting the guy. It's like calling the police if you hear screaming next door - it could be a murder in process or it could be kids screaming playing a video game. That's for the cops to figure out.

I think knowing the wife and daughter didn't feel safe at home is a problem worth looking into.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but even in the scenario you described you are still a witness to the screaming. While this is disgusting and we all want this loser locked up, at this point for cher t it is all hearsay/secondhand information he is getting. Getting authorities involved without her consent can cause nothing but headaches for chet, he still has to watch out for himself and his family. There is a possibility of getting too involved sometimes, if it was my sister then hell yes I am calling the cops and I'll deal with her later.
 
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Wait, you've never had much contact with this woman?
chet said:
Serious replies only, please.

Yesterday, my daughter asked if her friend, Carol, could sleep at our house tonight. I agreed because I've known for a while that Carol's life at home is difficult as her father is an alcoholic. I've never met the man. He never attends sporting or school events. I've only met the mother a couple of times. When I got home last night, my daughter was on the phone with Carol which is unusual because they almost never talk preferring instead to text, instagram or snapchat. This morning, my wife said that Carol and her mother spent last night at a hotel because they weren't safe at home. My wife said she doesn't know the nature of the abuse. I immediately said that both Carol and her mother are welcome to stay with us.

How can we best help them? I don't know if the mother is going to stay with us or not.
 
I would have a heart to heart with this woman and see where her head is at and then take appropriate actions.

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
You don't interact with the abuser. Or about the abuser unless she brings it up. Let her know you're here to talk if she wants to, but that you respect her privacy. Don't say bad things about him, she'll start to defend him and it'll be over.

 
Good luck Chet - I would offer to help in any way (money, food, transportation, hotel room) but I'm not sure I'd let the mother stay - the kid probably I'd let stay but your first obligation as Husband/Father is the safety and well-being of your family. If you question whether this guy is capable of doing something stupid at your home then I'd think twice before letting the Mom stay.

 
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chet said:
Serious replies only, please.

Yesterday, my daughter asked if her friend, Carol, could sleep at our house tonight. I agreed because I've known for a while that Carol's life at home is difficult as her father is an alcoholic. I've never met the man. He never attends sporting or school events. I've only met the mother a couple of times. When I got home last night, my daughter was on the phone with Carol which is unusual because they almost never talk preferring instead to text, instagram or snapchat. This morning, my wife said that Carol and her mother spent last night at a hotel because they weren't safe at home. My wife said she doesn't know the nature of the abuse. I immediately said that both Carol and her mother are welcome to stay with us.

How can we best help them? I don't know if the mother is going to stay with us or not.
Sounds like you hardly know any concrete info.

They are being abused but you have no idea about what kind of abuse?

I would want to find out a lot more info before just opening my doors to other peoples drama.

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
You don't interact with the abuser. Or about the abuser unless she brings it up. Let her know you're here to talk if she wants to, but that you respect her privacy. Don't say bad things about him, she'll start to defend him and it'll be over.
Great advice but I may not be able to control whether I interact with the abuser.

 
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General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
You don't interact with the abuser. Or about the abuser unless she brings it up. Let her know you're here to talk if she wants to, but that you respect her privacy. Don't say bad things about him, she'll start to defend him and it'll be over.
Great advice but I may not be able to control whether I interact with the abuser.
Why not? Tell him to leave. If he doesn't, he's trespassing.

 
Wait he's Italian? Ah it's all lies!! ;)

Seriously though, there shouldn't be any interaction between yourself and him. If there is it means he's on your property and then you're picking up the phone to dial 911.

 
A support group like Al-Anon should have lots of women who have gone through a similar experience. I'd try pointing the mother that way.

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
Well...that's a long and convoluted story which was mostly detailed in my thread, but I'll try and make it brief, which is hard, so I'll spoiler tag it.

Sister and BF were together for about a year. Guy was your classic thrill seeker who would bring gifts to every family dinner, always boozing up, loud, vocal, life of the party. Had everybody but my wife snowed (she hated and distrusted him the second she met him). They went to Utah/Nevada to race his motorcycle on the Salt Flats, wanted to go 200 on his Ducati. Stayed at a casino resort in some podunk Nevada town and spent the days by the pool drinking. At one point, they go into the town to grab a pizza, both loaded. An argument ensues over the pizza and at one point, he shoves my sister back into the car. An off-duty cop saw this, radioed it in and when they left, cops pulled them over, arrested him for DUI and Domestic Battery. That was 2013.

Sister never said anything about it. Her ex-husband (who is still a friend of mine) did a little snooping and informed me about the arrest as it was on teh googles. Asked if we knew and of course we didn't. I searched the net, found the arrest report and told my parents. My mother asked my sister about it and she came unglued. Called me yelling and cursing saying I didn't know crap and how dare I betray her, blah blah blah. Told my folks we needed to try and talk to her, but my mom sided with her and so my sister and this POS stayed together. I avoided them for months. Now, for those of you who say you would have kicked this guy's butt, let me stop you here and say you wouldn't. He's a large man with a violent past, possesses many guns, knives, is mentally unstable, fights at the drop of the hat and would have not only beaten me to a pulp, but laughed as he did it. Sister downplayed the whole thing and stuck by her man.

Fast forward to later in the year, there's a family dinner, he's there, on his best behavior and we had a sit down conversation that essentially was me pleading with him not to harm my sister; that he too had sisters and should know better. He apologized profusely, said I was right, vowed never to harm her, that he was no threat, that the Nevada police had nothing better to do....guy was always kissing my butt and ensuring me things were alright.

During the year, weird things happen....my sister's iPhone is thrown across the room and smashed. Her windshield is smashed. She breaks off ties with all her old friends. Neither of them are working; staying home all day drinking and watching movies. They finally break up, we cheer, then they get back together. Facing eviction, they both move into my parents house. He pretends to get a high paying job at a car dealership, he pretends to go to work, my parents are suspicious, another fight erupts between sister and parents, they leave for a motel, it's a disaster. Finally, he comes clean and says he doesn't have a job, can't find work, is embarrassed....they break up AGAIN. Sister finds a house to rent, is now working again, getting her life back in order.

And then, she takes him back AGAIN. At this point, I'm done with her. The third time she takes him back is when he violently erupts for the last time. Small fight augments to a larger fight which leads to him throwing my sister against a wall, ripping off her necklace and choking her. She fights him off, screams at him to leave, a neighbor friend hears it, calls the cops and he is arrested. Restraining order obtained, charges pressed, guy pleads guilty, gets no jail time but does get probation, can't come near her but still, it's a piece of paper. She lives in fear every day.

So my interactions? Outside of pleading with him not to harm her and having him promise he'd be nice, I really don't have any. My sister never broadcast the abuse she suffered and stuck up for him until she finally went to the police. I haven't seen him since. I'm sure I will see him; it's a small world. But again, I'm not kicking his asssss, not at my age and not against a guy who is much larger and more dangerous.

If there's any takeaway in this long diatribe it is that you need to understand victim mentality. It is very likely that the mother and daughter will stand up for this POS and it sucks. Sucks sucks sucks. But now they know you know and perhaps they will understand they have an advocate on their behalf. Be patient, listen to them as best you can and try not to interject too much on what you'd do or how they should proceed because it is a complex, complicated situation that can be very frustrating for those on the outside looking in.
 
Ironically, a complete stranger named Tim Turner just started following me on Twitter. No idea who he is and I don't think he's related to this situation. I just found his name interesting.

 
Unfortunately I have some experience with this crap.

You need more info.

DO NOT GET INVOLVED between/with the parents

I would let the daughter stay with you because you know her. This removes the juvenile from the situation. Make it a defined length of time in the hopes that the mother can handle the situation and her daughter doesn't need a safe refuge anymore.

But you need much more information

 
If you or your wife aren't good friends with the mother, then you should not be inviting them to stay at your house.
We aren't good friends at all. I've only met her a couple of times.

Obviously I don't know many details about their situation other than those that I've mentioned but I am in a position to help and wouldn't feel right if didn't offer it. I know the daughter--she's spent a bunch of time at our place and plays sports with our daughter. At the very least, I want her to know that she's got a safe place to stay.
You are a good egg Chet. I think that the mom knowing that she has a safe environment for her and her daughter is key here. Let the wife do most of the inquiring because there will be a bit of embarrassment i am sure. The definitely need to get out of the situation if it is abusive.

 
Unfortunately I have some experience with this crap.

You need more info.

DO NOT GET INVOLVED between/with the parents

I would let the daughter stay with you because you know her. This removes the juvenile from the situation. Make it a defined length of time in the hopes that the mother can handle the situation and her daughter doesn't need a safe refuge anymore.

But you need much more information
:goodposting:

Seems there could be so many "what ifs" that you would be opening yourself up to. Sure, you want to help the friend of your daughter, but opening your doors to a ton of wild cards seems a bad idea. For instance, what if the mom is mental and maybe dangerous? Collecting as much information as possible seems the best way to go.

 
Unfortunately I have some experience with this crap.

You need more info.

DO NOT GET INVOLVED between/with the parents

I would let the daughter stay with you because you know her. This removes the juvenile from the situation. Make it a defined length of time in the hopes that the mother can handle the situation and her daughter doesn't need a safe refuge anymore.

But you need much more information
I don't have any experience in this sort of thing, but this is what I was thinking. I think blindly opening your doors without any information is potentially putting your family in danger. I agree with taking in the kid at first, but I'd want to have a few conversations with the Mom before I took her in too. The last thing you want is to get in the middle...

 

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