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Serious Topic: Daughter's Friend and Mother are Being Abused (1 Viewer)

Opening the house to the daughter is a very good idea. At very least, it will keep her out of the direct situation to some degree. the mom? Tougher call, and it depends on what is going on at the kid's house, the type and causes of the abuse, etc. Either way, cool that you are doing this.

Aside: When I was a kid my parents often let my childhood best bud (now deceased) stay over - did not know at the time it was because his stepfather was a drunken bully who would beat the kids and sometimes the mom. They eventually packed up and moved to Florida to get away from him. We had the forwarding address, he did not.

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
Well...that's a long and convoluted story which was mostly detailed in my thread, but I'll try and make it brief, which is hard, so I'll spoiler tag it.

Sister and BF were together for about a year. Guy was your classic thrill seeker who would bring gifts to every family dinner, always boozing up, loud, vocal, life of the party. Had everybody but my wife snowed (she hated and distrusted him the second she met him). They went to Utah/Nevada to race his motorcycle on the Salt Flats, wanted to go 200 on his Ducati. Stayed at a casino resort in some podunk Nevada town and spent the days by the pool drinking. At one point, they go into the town to grab a pizza, both loaded. An argument ensues over the pizza and at one point, he shoves my sister back into the car. An off-duty cop saw this, radioed it in and when they left, cops pulled them over, arrested him for DUI and Domestic Battery. That was 2013.

Sister never said anything about it. Her ex-husband (who is still a friend of mine) did a little snooping and informed me about the arrest as it was on teh googles. Asked if we knew and of course we didn't. I searched the net, found the arrest report and told my parents. My mother asked my sister about it and she came unglued. Called me yelling and cursing saying I didn't know crap and how dare I betray her, blah blah blah. Told my folks we needed to try and talk to her, but my mom sided with her and so my sister and this POS stayed together. I avoided them for months. Now, for those of you who say you would have kicked this guy's butt, let me stop you here and say you wouldn't. He's a large man with a violent past, possesses many guns, knives, is mentally unstable, fights at the drop of the hat and would have not only beaten me to a pulp, but laughed as he did it. Sister downplayed the whole thing and stuck by her man.

Fast forward to later in the year, there's a family dinner, he's there, on his best behavior and we had a sit down conversation that essentially was me pleading with him not to harm my sister; that he too had sisters and should know better. He apologized profusely, said I was right, vowed never to harm her, that he was no threat, that the Nevada police had nothing better to do....guy was always kissing my butt and ensuring me things were alright.

During the year, weird things happen....my sister's iPhone is thrown across the room and smashed. Her windshield is smashed. She breaks off ties with all her old friends. Neither of them are working; staying home all day drinking and watching movies. They finally break up, we cheer, then they get back together. Facing eviction, they both move into my parents house. He pretends to get a high paying job at a car dealership, he pretends to go to work, my parents are suspicious, another fight erupts between sister and parents, they leave for a motel, it's a disaster. Finally, he comes clean and says he doesn't have a job, can't find work, is embarrassed....they break up AGAIN. Sister finds a house to rent, is now working again, getting her life back in order.

And then, she takes him back AGAIN. At this point, I'm done with her. The third time she takes him back is when he violently erupts for the last time. Small fight augments to a larger fight which leads to him throwing my sister against a wall, ripping off her necklace and choking her. She fights him off, screams at him to leave, a neighbor friend hears it, calls the cops and he is arrested. Restraining order obtained, charges pressed, guy pleads guilty, gets no jail time but does get probation, can't come near her but still, it's a piece of paper. She lives in fear every day.

So my interactions? Outside of pleading with him not to harm her and having him promise he'd be nice, I really don't have any. My sister never broadcast the abuse she suffered and stuck up for him until she finally went to the police. I haven't seen him since. I'm sure I will see him; it's a small world. But again, I'm not kicking his asssss, not at my age and not against a guy who is much larger and more dangerous.

If there's any takeaway in this long diatribe it is that you need to understand victim mentality. It is very likely that the mother and daughter will stand up for this POS and it sucks. Sucks sucks sucks. But now they know you know and perhaps they will understand they have an advocate on their behalf. Be patient, listen to them as best you can and try not to interject too much on what you'd do or how they should proceed because it is a complex, complicated situation that can be very frustrating for those on the outside looking in.
Thanks for sharing. Glad your sister is rid of him and hope he's gone forever.

 
I believe only the daughter is staying with us tonight.

My wife is having coffee with the mother tomorrow.

 
One other thing - if the mom is willing to get away from the situation, you (and your wife and her) may be better off contacting local women's shelters or organizations that are better equipped to handle this. They may have safe houses or resources that they can get where you aren't caught in the middle of a dangerous scenario.

I just know that it may be better for the both of them that the dad has no idea where they went.

 
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One other thing - if the mom is willing to get away from the situation, you (and your wife and her) may be better off contacting local women's shelters or organizations that are better equipped to handle this. They may have safe houses or resources that they can get where you aren't caught in the middle of a dangerous scenario.

I just know that it may be better for the both of them that the dad has no idea where they went.
My wife told me there's one near us that she's donated clothes and toys to.

 
1) Call the police.

2) Do not have any contact with said abuser.

3) Get ammo for your shotgun and be prepared to use it if necessary.

4) If he shows up at your house, call the police. If he tries to break in before the police arrive, shoot him if necessary.

 
Just wanted to add one thing, Chet- you may not end up getting more involved in this than you are now, but even offering to do so demonstrates that you're a pretty decent guy. I don't know you from Adam, but so many people (most people in fact) refuse to get involved, and that's part of the reason a lot of these guys get away with what they do. You're a good person for wanting to help.

 
I'm just kinda surprised we're ready to call the local authorities on this guy when we have no evidence of any abuse.

:shrug:

What is the mom is a total B and they just got into a fight and she took the kid to a hotel room and tells the kid it's not safe to be with Daddy?

Saying someone is abusing their wife and daughter and not knowing any evidence seems very irresponsible.

 
I'm just kinda surprised we're ready to call the local authorities on this guy when we have no evidence of any abuse.

:shrug:

What is the mom is a total B and they just got into a fight and she took the kid to a hotel room and tells the kid it's not safe to be with Daddy?

Saying someone is abusing their wife and daughter and not knowing any evidence seems very irresponsible.
Then he still shouldn't engage with the husband. In any case, this is about the kid. If the parents want to meet elsewhere and deal with whatever their issues are, great. If not, it isn't coming into Chet's house whether the guy is wrongly or correctly accused. If the guy refuses to leave when asked, call the police.

 
Chet, just wondering/assuming from your previous posts... This guy isn't the biological father?
I assume he is the biological father but I don't know for sure either way. Did I say something to imply he wasn't? If so, disregard and blame it on sloppy writing.

 
Just wanted to add one thing, Chet- you may not end up getting more involved in this than you are now, but even offering to do so demonstrates that you're a pretty decent guy. I don't know you from Adam, but so many people (most people in fact) refuse to get involved, and that's part of the reason a lot of these guys get away with what they do. You're a good person for wanting to help.
TY

She's my daughter's friend and I have many reasons including:

1) I don't think a 14yo girl should live in a place where she's afraid for her safety;

2) Ditto for her mother; and

3) I want to demonstrate to my daughter how a man should act.

My wife reminded me that a third girl not mentioned so far slept over at the house in question and had a terrible night. The father apparently was wasted and created quite a scene--I don't have any other details. After that story, I said to my wife that Carol is always welcome at our house but my daughter will never stay there.

 
I work in social services and can attest that what many others have said in terms of getting the police involved/informing social services (DCYF) is the best route. There are likely Domesitic Violence shelters in your area that have places that are safe and can help them therapeutically through this tough time.

 
I believe only the daughter is staying with us tonight.

My wife is having coffee with the mother tomorrow.
This sounds like a good start. Maybe research shelters, hotlines, or other services in your area that could help her.

 
Based on the limited info, I am only assuming that domestic violence is what is going on.

I don't have much else to add other than the advice to get them involved with a local safe house / shelter and other charitable groups that work with battered/abused women. Most cities have some form of these which you can find via a Google search or talking to the police department (most departments have a victim advocate which can provide the contact info for those in your area). Safehouses are private, undisclosed locations that provide temporary safe housing for a dv victim and her children. Also, she would have access to a host of services to help her through this difficult time - sometimes including access to attorneys working pro bono (free) on family law issues, restraining orders, etc.

You're a great guy for wanting to help them out. As someone else pointed out, many many bystanders turn a blind eye to this stuff. Glad you and your wife are there for them.

 
Chet, just wondering/assuming from your previous posts... This guy isn't the biological father?
I assume he is the biological father but I don't know for sure either way. Did I say something to imply he wasn't? If so, disregard and blame it on sloppy writing.
I misinterpreted the post about him being from Europe and only here for a year. Wasn't sure if that meant just him or his whole family.

 
General Malaise said:
Other than a fantasy football message board, I would think the local police would be a decent first step.

See if Carol and her mom are willing to talk to the right people about this. Both of them and especially the mom may be terrified to open up for fear of retribution. They may even excuse the behavior and blame the alcohol. Once reported, life will be flipped upside down and full of uncertainty - sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Many times the victims are the last people to recognize they need help. What is obvious to outsiders isn't to them.

Good luck. My sister went through this recently. Finally saw the light, got a restraining order, pressed chargers and found a new, decent man. But it was an awful process and she lives in fear every day.
How did you handle interactions with the abuser?
Well...that's a long and convoluted story which was mostly detailed in my thread, but I'll try and make it brief, which is hard, so I'll spoiler tag it.

Sister and BF were together for about a year. Guy was your classic thrill seeker who would bring gifts to every family dinner, always boozing up, loud, vocal, life of the party. Had everybody but my wife snowed (she hated and distrusted him the second she met him). They went to Utah/Nevada to race his motorcycle on the Salt Flats, wanted to go 200 on his Ducati. Stayed at a casino resort in some podunk Nevada town and spent the days by the pool drinking. At one point, they go into the town to grab a pizza, both loaded. An argument ensues over the pizza and at one point, he shoves my sister back into the car. An off-duty cop saw this, radioed it in and when they left, cops pulled them over, arrested him for DUI and Domestic Battery. That was 2013.

Sister never said anything about it. Her ex-husband (who is still a friend of mine) did a little snooping and informed me about the arrest as it was on teh googles. Asked if we knew and of course we didn't. I searched the net, found the arrest report and told my parents. My mother asked my sister about it and she came unglued. Called me yelling and cursing saying I didn't know crap and how dare I betray her, blah blah blah. Told my folks we needed to try and talk to her, but my mom sided with her and so my sister and this POS stayed together. I avoided them for months. Now, for those of you who say you would have kicked this guy's butt, let me stop you here and say you wouldn't. He's a large man with a violent past, possesses many guns, knives, is mentally unstable, fights at the drop of the hat and would have not only beaten me to a pulp, but laughed as he did it. Sister downplayed the whole thing and stuck by her man.

Fast forward to later in the year, there's a family dinner, he's there, on his best behavior and we had a sit down conversation that essentially was me pleading with him not to harm my sister; that he too had sisters and should know better. He apologized profusely, said I was right, vowed never to harm her, that he was no threat, that the Nevada police had nothing better to do....guy was always kissing my butt and ensuring me things were alright.

During the year, weird things happen....my sister's iPhone is thrown across the room and smashed. Her windshield is smashed. She breaks off ties with all her old friends. Neither of them are working; staying home all day drinking and watching movies. They finally break up, we cheer, then they get back together. Facing eviction, they both move into my parents house. He pretends to get a high paying job at a car dealership, he pretends to go to work, my parents are suspicious, another fight erupts between sister and parents, they leave for a motel, it's a disaster. Finally, he comes clean and says he doesn't have a job, can't find work, is embarrassed....they break up AGAIN. Sister finds a house to rent, is now working again, getting her life back in order.

And then, she takes him back AGAIN. At this point, I'm done with her. The third time she takes him back is when he violently erupts for the last time. Small fight augments to a larger fight which leads to him throwing my sister against a wall, ripping off her necklace and choking her. She fights him off, screams at him to leave, a neighbor friend hears it, calls the cops and he is arrested. Restraining order obtained, charges pressed, guy pleads guilty, gets no jail time but does get probation, can't come near her but still, it's a piece of paper. She lives in fear every day.

So my interactions? Outside of pleading with him not to harm her and having him promise he'd be nice, I really don't have any. My sister never broadcast the abuse she suffered and stuck up for him until she finally went to the police. I haven't seen him since. I'm sure I will see him; it's a small world. But again, I'm not kicking his asssss, not at my age and not against a guy who is much larger and more dangerous.

If there's any takeaway in this long diatribe it is that you need to understand victim mentality. It is very likely that the mother and daughter will stand up for this POS and it sucks. Sucks sucks sucks. But now they know you know and perhaps they will understand they have an advocate on their behalf. Be patient, listen to them as best you can and try not to interject too much on what you'd do or how they should proceed because it is a complex, complicated situation that can be very frustrating for those on the outside looking in.
Sounds like everything was ok until you and the stalker ex-BF started meddling.

;)
 
Chet, just wondering/assuming from your previous posts... This guy isn't the biological father?
I assume he is the biological father but I don't know for sure either way. Did I say something to imply he wasn't? If so, disregard and blame it on sloppy writing.
I misinterpreted the post about him being from Europe and only here for a year. Wasn't sure if that meant just him or his whole family.
Yes, the family moved back here from Italy. I believe the mother is American and the father is French.

 
Carol arrived here with my daughter. I told her that I knew things were tough in her house right now and she's welcome to stay here. She seemed genuinely appreciative.

 
Chet, just wondering/assuming from your previous posts... This guy isn't the biological father?
I assume he is the biological father but I don't know for sure either way. Did I say something to imply he wasn't? If so, disregard and blame it on sloppy writing.
I misinterpreted the post about him being from Europe and only here for a year. Wasn't sure if that meant just him or his whole family.
Yes, the family moved back here from Italy. I believe the mother is American and the father is French.
Well that changes everything. The day a drunk french man can take a Canadian (i think you are Canadian) the world is over. Tell him he is free to come over and take his chances.

 
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If she's serious about leaving the situation, you should know that the time of separation is the most dangerous time in an abusive situation. Please be very careful.

There is a lot of good info here.

 
One other thing - if the mom is willing to get away from the situation, you (and your wife and her) may be better off contacting local women's shelters or organizations that are better equipped to handle this. They may have safe houses or resources that they can get where you aren't caught in the middle of a dangerous scenario.

I just know that it may be better for the both of them that the dad has no idea where they went.
My wife told me there's one near us that she's donated clothes and toys to.
I just did some pro-bono work for the Long Island Domestic Abuse association and to hear some of these stories is truly heartbreaking.

While you are trying to do an admirable thing, her best course of action is to contact the local abuse hotline and see about arranging a shelter situation. There is a lot at play here that you just cant provide and will open you and your family up to potential issues.

They can help her gain the proper legal advice, shield them, alert the schools (so that the father doesn't try to pick the girl up). Often times the abuse is more than physical...there can be financial situations where the husband controls all the money making it difficult for her to move beyond your home.

I commend you, but let the pros do their thing. That said, hotlines and shelters do have their limitations, they cannot fully act w/o the victim's concent. It is a real scary way to live.

I urge everyone to watch this to see how hopeless a domestic abuse situation can be.

Good luck to her and hopes she is ready to move on with her life.

 
Just wanted to add one thing, Chet- you may not end up getting more involved in this than you are now, but even offering to do so demonstrates that you're a pretty decent guy. I don't know you from Adam, but so many people (most people in fact) refuse to get involved, and that's part of the reason a lot of these guys get away with what they do. You're a good person for wanting to help.
TY

She's my daughter's friend and I have many reasons including:

1) I don't think a 14yo girl should live in a place where she's afraid for her safety;

2) Ditto for her mother; and

3) I want to demonstrate to my daughter how a man should act.

My wife reminded me that a third girl not mentioned so far slept over at the house in question and had a terrible night. The father apparently was wasted and created quite a scene--I don't have any other details. After that story, I said to my wife that Carol is always welcome at our house but my daughter will never stay there.
You're on point Chet. Offer all the resources you can. The only thing is you have to make sure you aren't putting your own family in danger. Good luck.

 
Good luck Chet.

My best advice is to keep your family safe first and get more information. The problem with the domestic issues is that the woman often goes back and or doesn't commit to a true break with the abuser and this causes all kind of problems. If this is a shocking, first time experience and she is looking to get out it may be different. If this is something that happens every so often you are probably putting your family at risk for someone who is going to willingly put herself and her daughter back into that dangerous situation in another week or month.

I would talk to the mother and ask her if she is willing to call the police, social serivces, or get some kind of authority involved. If she is not then I would be VERY reluctant to offer her a place to stay or get too involved with her. If she is willing AND follows through with it then I think it's safer to offer help and stand with her through it in any way you can.

Either way I would probably do anything I could to help the daughter stay away. Even if the mother goes back, if the daughter is truly being abused I would discuss her legal options with her.

These things get out of control REALLY quickly and you have to be really careful. My BIL did something very similar for a couple of later teen kids and took them in. A couple weeks later the younger son was blaming him for stuff and took a swing at him. He physically restrained the kid and kicked him out of the house. The cops showed up and he had to defend himself, at great cost, against assault charge and child endangerment. It seemed like he was doing the right thing, trying to be a good guy and helping a couple kids in a bad situation. He ended up spending a year of his life dealing with the repercussion.

I'm not saying don't help. I think one of our greatest purposes in life is to help our neighbor, to be there for people in their time of need. However, your first responsibility as a husband and father is to your family and you should protect yourself. Make sure the woman is committed to real change and legal/social service help. If she is not I would distance myself and be very careful.

 
I don't really have a great deal of advice but can say you're a good man for taking in their daughter and showing her love and support.

From my own experiences, I grew up in an extremely abusive household. I remember one time I went over to a friend's house and right before I knocked I heard my friend telling his parents he thought I was being abused. I froze. They talked for a good five minutes with an open window, but couldn't see me from how the front f their house was designed. I remember being so incredibly hopeful. Eventually they dismissed my friend and said stuff along the lines of it isn't their business. Don't know I've ever been as crushed as I was that die. Felt like any last ounce of a soul I had was ripped from me in those moments. The high of hope and just crushing defeat knowing nobody gave a damn about my situation.

I've no doubt you're making a huge difference in this girl's life in ways that won't truly manifest for years to come. Knowing there are decent people out there can only help her in her life. The world needs a lot more folk like you.

 
I haven't read the whole thread yet but you might want to call the ######l domestic abuse or child abuse hotline. They can provide guidance and resources you might not have considered without the finality of calling the police.

Also if you bring danger into your house then you need to prepare yourself for what you will do if you feel your family is in danger. What specific actions would you take if he comes pounding on the door drunk in the middle of the night for example. I can't tell you what to do or what i would do but i wouldnt want to be surprised scared and panicked when the time came. Think about it now.

Edit well that's an inappropriate auto correct. Apparently I was lazy swyping past the n and the t on the keyboard and got v and g instead.

 
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Carol stayed with us on Tuesday night. As I mentioned above, I told her that I knew her home life was turbulent and she was welcome to stay with us.

My wife had coffee with her mother yesterday. She stayed with friends the night before. She said that they are pursuing a divorce but Carol and her sister don't know yet. Carol's sister attends boarding school. She said the most recent fight with the father stemmed from overcooked spaghetti. He threw a fit because it wasn't cooked al dente. He yanked the mother's chair from under her, pushed her and threw things. According to the mother, he hasn't physically abused either daughter yet.

He's a very controlling person and is insisting on mediation for the divorce. After one meeting with a mediator, the mediator told the mother that she wouldn't fare well and strongly suggested she get an attorney which she has done. He wants 50% custody of Carol but the mother's not sure that Carol wants that. The parents are planning to tell the children of the their divorce plans soon. Carol and her mother went to the Bulls game last night and stayed with friends. My wife offered to help in any way she could including a place to stay for both Carol and her mother.

Not a great situation by any means but thankfully the abuse hasn't escalated to anyone requiring hospital visits. I think the mother is getting out none too soon.

 
Again, awesome of you and your family Chet. I assume Carol is in high school or at least jr high? How many other kids?

 
Kids are certainly old enough to not only understand, but probably be happy about a divorce. GL to them.
Carol told my daughter that her mother said that she hopes Carol never marries a man like her father. My daughter told my wife, who in turn told my daughter that she hopes my daughter marries a man like me. :hifive:

 
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Contact a shelter and ask them for advice. They're going to give you better advice than any of us.

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Actually read the thread and thought I should put more info in here.

I think you're handling it very well. It may not be the way some people say you should handle it but I'd like to think that this is how I would handle it. Good job.

 
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