SEXY SCOOP: Tice to be Terminated (1 Viewer)

[Bull Dozier]

Tice was using his leverage as coach to buy them for less than the players could sell them to each other for, but then re-selling them for a huge profit.

Did I contend otherwise? That's an accurate recitation of the info I posted. The guy who I was responding to claimed the allegation was that Tice was taking tickets out of the hands of football fans who could otherwise get them at face value, which is wrong. The tickets were being scalped for profit regardless.

My apologies as I didn't go back and re-read the entire dialogue you had on this. I read your comment as Tice, or the Viking players, weren't selling the tickets for over face value. I see that's not the case. Mahalo.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Tice broke the rules, and not a minor infraction like selling his own personal tickets (if what appearing in the stories is true).

I don't disagree with your IF stance. Please keep in mind Tice offered to take a lie detector test on these allegations and has stated he has not even been involved in this practice since becoming a head coach. As reported in most reports, RB coach Dalton has been.

Point one, it is just as illegal (both as far as NFL rules, and MN law are concerned) to sell the tickets as an assistant.Point two, in the story in the Pioneer Press today, it stated that head coaches don't organize this, and have a lower level guy (like Dalton) do the dirty work. It sure sounds like Tice was still involved, using his leveredge as head coach.

Again though, this is all speculation at this point, and I'm not saying Tice should be fired or charged with anything unless/until more evidence is uncovered.

 

[14464]

Joker,

Time for a reality check.

You think the Packers will win the division. Take an unbiased look at each team. The Vikings are improving each day. Now the Vikings will have a more intelligent head coach.

Terminating Tice means more Viking Victories.

:horns:

As long as they have that idiot, McCrap, you call an owner, you can lock it down that they won't sniff a SB baby. That's a FACT.

 

[14464]

Thanks BJ,

Not to drift off topic, but just think about all the BIG MONEY guys like Red McCombs, Reggie Fowler, and Donald Trump hide from the IRS. I know Reggie Fowler and Trump both declared bankruptcy yet somehow both have more money than all of us put together.

Back to topic . . . it appears George and company may have been too eager to break this story. Maybe they are backpedalling now. I don't know.

I'm sure Sports Illustrated is now weighing its options. They could retract, discredit their source, or push forward with the Tice Ticket Scalping Scandal.

I'll just be watching on the sidelines for now . . .

( o )Y( o )

Any "chick" who has their name Hot Sexy Babe is anything but....

 

[Hot Sexy Babe]

As long as they have that idiot, McCrap, you call an owner, you can lock it down that they won't sniff a SB baby. That's a FACT.

I agree 100% McCombs prefers profits over playoffs.

 

[Hot Sexy Babe]

Any "chick" who has their name Hot Sexy Babe is anything but....

Yet another dork wanting me to defend myself. If you work hard enough, you too can have a sexy body. Just turn off your computer and go exercise during the time you usually spend posting brilliant commentary on this message board.

You won't see filing a lawsuit against McDonalds. I think fat is a choice.

I choose to be sexy and am proud of how I look in a little black dress.

Let's skip the pointless name calling and act like adults.

Back on topic (again) I still think if Tice was really the ringleader, he could get canned. The question is, what is the truth?

and yes, I CAN handle the truth.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Wow, no more relevant comments in this thread since Tice admitted to scalping his own tickets even as a head coach?

 

[BigJim®]

Wow, no more relevant comments in this thread since Tice admitted to scalping his own tickets even as a head coach?

Scalping one's own tickets has never been the issue of this story. Being a ringleader, as a head coach, of a $250,000 empire is the only "out of the norm" accusation by the tipster who fed CNNSI. Tice will never in a million years be fired for doing *what he's admitted to doing* since there is not even a penalty stated for this violation leaving it purely at Tag's discretion. While it's technically true this is "illegal" conduct under state law, so are speeding, jaywalking and loitering. Under Minnesota Statutes § 609.805(2) this is a measily misdemeanor. If the NFL starts firing players/coaches for victimless misdemeanors, go ahead and get those CFL cheatsheets fired up.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Wow, no more relevant comments in this thread since Tice admitted to scalping his own tickets even as a head coach?

Scalping one's own tickets has never been the issue of this story. Being a ringleader, as a head coach, of a $250,000 empire is the only "out of the norm" accusation by the tipster who fed CNNSI. Tice will never in a million years be fired for doing *what he's admitted to doing* since there is not even a penalty stated for this violation leaving it purely at Tag's discretion. While it's technically true this is "illegal" conduct under state law, so are speeding, jaywalking and loitering. Under Minnesota Statutes § 609.805(2) this is a measily misdemeanor. If the NFL starts firing players/coaches for victimless misdemeanors, go ahead and get those CFL cheatsheets fired up.

I wasn't fishing, I was just suprised to see this thread this morning, after he had admitting to scalping his own tickets the day before, and the only new comments were about Red being a bad owner. Nice to see you back in the thread after you said you were checking out of it though.I'm not saying he's going to be fired (that would be Red's decision, not Tags anyway, and since Tice deserves to be fired for so many more reasons that simply scalping tickets, justice would be served if this was the hair that broke the camel's back anyway), but I would fully expect to see Tag's suspend and/or fine Tice. Sure, there is no penalty in the NFL rule book, but Tice has apparently admited to scalping his own tickets as a head coach, and playing the ring leader when he was an assistant. I see Tags as using Tice as an example to curb the practice. I don't see Tags, after all the hulabaloo that's been made of this to come out and say "oh, it's victimless, we're not going to do anything" after the efforts he's made over the last several years to improve the reputation of the league and its players.

 

[BigJim®]

I'm not saying he's going to be fired (that would be Red's decision, not Tags anyway, and since Tice deserves to be fired for so many more reasons that simply scalping tickets, justice would be served if this was the hair that broke the camel's back anyway), but I would fully expect to see Tag's suspend and/or fine Tice.

Not according to Red. Tice is such a valuable asset to this franchise that he had to trade away a future Hall of Fame WR to keep Tice.

Sure, there is no penalty in the NFL rule book, but Tice has apparently admited to scalping his own tickets as a head coach, and playing the ring leader when he was an assistant. I see Tags as using Tice as an example to curb the practice. I don't see Tags, after all the hulabaloo that's been made of this to come out and say "oh, it's victimless, we're not going to do anything" after the efforts he's made over the last several years to improve the reputation of the league and its players.

I'll suggest that making a scapegoat of Tice sends one and only one message: "Everyone else, you're off the hook. Let's sweep this under the rug." If Tags is seriously looking at taking a stand, he'll have each team report to him on who purchased tickets in 2005, and what they did with all tickets they did not personally use. He'd barely have to lift a finger to compile this research, yet the cynic in me highly doubts this will occur. I am the farthest thing from a Tice apologist, I'd LOVE to see him go in fact, but doesn't it make you just a little sick to your stomach that what may largely be lies about outrageous activity, provided by a person with an axe to grind, forced Tice to come clean on absurdly petty infractions in the course of denying the more outrageous claims? I'm sorry, that bothers me, and it could happen to any coach or player in the NFL.

 

[Bull Dozier]

I'm not saying he's going to be fired (that would be Red's decision, not Tags anyway, and since Tice deserves to be fired for so many more reasons that simply scalping tickets, justice would be served if this was the hair that broke the camel's back anyway), but I would fully expect to see Tag's suspend and/or fine Tice. 

Not according to Red. Tice is such a valuable asset to this franchise that he had to trade away a future Hall of Fame WR to keep Tice.

Sure, there is no penalty in the NFL rule book, but Tice has apparently admited to scalping his own tickets as a head coach, and playing the ring leader when he was an assistant.  I see Tags as using Tice as an example to curb the practice.  I don't see Tags, after all the hulabaloo that's been made of this to come out and say "oh, it's victimless, we're not going to do anything" after the efforts he's made over the last several years to improve the reputation of the league and its players.

I'll suggest that making a scapegoat of Tice sends one and only one message: "Everyone else, you're off the hook. Let's sweep this under the rug." If Tags is seriously looking at taking a stand, he'll have each team report to him on who purchased tickets in 2005, and what they did with all tickets they did not personally use. He'd barely have to lift a finger to compile this research, yet the cynic in me highly doubts this will occur. I am the farthest thing from a Tice apologist, I'd LOVE to see him go in fact, but doesn't it make you just a little sick to your stomach that what may largely be lies about outrageous activity, provided by a person with an axe to grind, forced Tice to come clean on absurdly petty infractions in the course of denying the more outrageous claims? I'm sorry, that bothers me, and it could happen to any coach or player in the NFL.

Red's comments and opinions are rediculous. I think we are in agreement on that.It doesn't make me sick at all that Tice could be made a scapegoat. From my impression, while having the public repuation as a players coach, he doesn't seem to have a problem showing disdain for players in his doghouse. He had such a short temper with people in the media, and people he perceives don't know as much as him about football, I don't doubt for a second he would hesitate to treat a player badly if they weren't performing up to a level he expected. Thats his right to do as a head coach, but I just contend that if you're going to bag these guys so bad, don't let them know things that will get you in trouble. If this practice is so widespread as everyone says, I'm sure there are other disgruntled players. Why haven't they blown the whistle before? If it is not so widespread, Tice should haven't made better decisions about who he was making deals with on the team.

 

[BigJim®]

If this practice is so widespread as everyone says, I'm sure there are other disgruntled players. Why haven't they blown the whistle before? If it is not so widespread, Tice should haven't made better decisions about who he was making deals with on the team.

Who says they haven't? As has been reported most news departments simply chose not to do what CNNSI did in going forward fully with unnamed/anonymous sources. This strikes me as the epitome of a pot/kettle/black issue. It's no secret why an informant would choose to be unnamed... he is just as liable for unclaimed income as anyone else. Had CNNSI acted with an iota of jounalistic integrity this topic may never have seen the light of day and been handled by the NFL behind closed doors.Listen, now I'm officially out of this thread. It's sort of apparent you have a large disdain for Tice, and that's fine. I'd just ask you to take a step back and consider if your opinion would change if this was say, Les Steckle.

 

[Bull Dozier]

If this practice is so widespread as everyone says, I'm sure there are other disgruntled players.  Why haven't they blown the whistle before?  If it is not so widespread, Tice should haven't made better decisions about who he was making deals with on the team.

Who says they haven't? As has been reported most news departments simply chose not to do what CNNSI did in going forward fully with unnamed/anonymous sources. This strikes me as the epitome of a pot/kettle/black issue. It's no secret why an informant would choose to be unnamed... he is just as liable for unclaimed income as anyone else. Had CNNSI acted with an iota of jounalistic integrity this topic may never have seen the light of day and been handled by the NFL behind closed doors.Listen, now I'm officially out of this thread. It's sort of apparent you have a large disdain for Tice, and that's fine. I'd just ask you to take a step back and consider if your opinion would change if this was say, Les Steckle.

Back of Les Steckle. He was vastly underrated. You think CNNSI did Tice wrong. The ENTIRE media industry has done Steckle wrong. Had he had the support in the media he deserved, he's be in Canton by now.

 

[Hot Sexy Babe]

Big Jim,I, for one, am sorry to see you "check out". Your input is well thought out and valuable.If Mike Tice actually was the ringleader scalping $100,000+ worth of Super Bowl tickets over the past five years, he not only would be fired, but also could be used as an example by the IRS and NFL to send a message. Although the actual amount is purely speculation, so is the end result of the scalping scandal at this time.