Shark pool DFS opinion poll (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Still, only 1 in 4 people in here are for DFS.

The poll numbers will probably be skewed now, we know all the people playing DFS, would vote for it, it was interesting to see how everyone else felt in The Shark Pool. This tread was just started in the DFS forum:https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/738296-go-vote/

Hi Kev,

Actually, let's not push this poll in the DFS forum. I'd rather just see what the Shark Pool thinks of it. Thanks.

J

 

[cheese]

The top 2% win 90% of money is more misleading than any number DFS companies have ever given you.

Really? Maybe you should read the Bloomberg article about DFS. Here is a paragraph from it:These limits seem almost laughably nonrestrictive until you understand how top players operate. Analysis from Rotogrinders conducted for Bloomberg shows that the top 100 ranked players enter 330 winning lineups per day, and the top 10 players combine to win an average of 873 times daily. The remaining field of approximately 20,000 players tracked by Rotogrinders wins just 13 times per day, on average.

They've changed reference frames here, and critical info has been omitted to bias the statement.Top 100 enter 330 per day...but win how many?

top 10 win 873 times a day...but enter how many? (likely a lot more than 330...thousands?)

Rest of the field wins just 13 times a day...but out of how many entries? One each?

Also, is it surprising that a bunch of people who are least active lose? How many people join a traditional FF league and then fail to set lineups, start injured guys for weeks, and lose? I expect a lot of these people play DFS the same way...

Regardless, it's disingenuous of Bloomberg to give us three data points without a single common reference for valid comparison between them. Meaningless statistics out of context, designed to drive their narrative.

the point still remains, you are not entering contests with people who are approaching it in a similar manner as you the average joe, you are playing against professionals.So it's not disingenuous at all, DFS false advertises to the average person who is chum to the professionals.

But carry on.

Disingenuous until they provide statistics that the "professionals" are actually winning at a significantly higher rate per entry than the amateurs. The provided stats do not allow us to reach such a conclusion, but imply it.

The statistics show that the vast majority of people that consistently win are DFS professionals that submit multiple lineups using lineup optimizing software. The numbers from Bloomberg prove that. The current framework of DFS gives a huge advantage to players with this lineup optimizing software that have big bankrolls--so that they can get as many "optimal" lineups/variations in play. The "winning rate" per entry would really mean something if the number of lineups per user was capped to far lower numbers than they are now. If you have an issue with the numbers from Bloomberg--and don't believe that the ads are misleading to the "average joe"--show me some statistics that show that the "average joe" has a solid chance of being financially successful playing a lineup per week in DFS. The reason I say these parameters is that many of the ads that DFS uses try to tempt potential players into joining because you can create a new lineup every week. Every bit of data out there supports that an average joe winning in DFS season long is a rarity.

I honestly don't know how average Joes do compared to pros. Which puts me in the same boat as Bloomberg.

 

[spudgusta]

Still, only 1 in 4 people in here are for DFS.

The poll numbers will probably be skewed now, we know all the people playing DFS, would vote for it, it was interesting to see how everyone else felt in The Shark Pool. This tread was just started in the DFS forum:https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/738296-go-vote/

Hi Kev,

Actually, let's not push this poll in the DFS forum. I'd rather just see what the Shark Pool thinks of it. Thanks.

J

Whoa whoa whoa, you just deleted my thread...

Why.

Why do you only want the Shark Pool people to vote or have an opinion? This makes no sense. And It's the first time I've questioned football guys.

WTF!

 

[Kevrunner]

Still, only 1 in 4 people in here are for DFS.

The poll numbers will probably be skewed now, we know all the people playing DFS, would vote for it, it was interesting to see how everyone else felt in The Shark Pool. This tread was just started in the DFS forum:https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/738296-go-vote/

Hi Kev,

Actually, let's not push this poll in the DFS forum. I'd rather just see what the Shark Pool thinks of it. Thanks.

J

Whoa whoa whoa, you just deleted my thread...

Why.

Why do you only want the Shark Pool people to vote or have an opinion? This makes no sense. And It's the first time I've questioned football guys.

WTF!

I think he deleted because he wanted to get the Shark Pool's pulse on DFS. It really doesn't make sense to solicit votes from the DFS forum, I'm sure that would be 100% positive. But the DFS players who frequent the Shark Pool, like yourself, are the type of people who should be voting in this poll. This isn't a FBGs poll, but one started by a member, I voted in it. But, I would never go to another forum to try and encourage other people to vote, that would make this particular poll useless. Anyway, I think they just want to a feel of what the Shark Pool is thinking, I guess, I apologize if it seemed like I complained about your thread, that wasn't my intent.

 

[Chapelboy]

if we're being totally honest here, if you're playing in a traditional fantasy league (redraft, dynasty) and money is involved, you're gambling. It's just taking longer for the payout. I think most people play for the money, not the reward of self satisfaction in dominating your leaguemates year in and year out. Try building a trophy league nowadays...first thing inquiring minds ask is "what's the payout"? All gambling. That being said, I went weak negative as I tried it a few times and came out unscathed and unaddicted . I'm a traditionalist.

 

[dtroitkid]

dfs is a scam. the idea and game could be legit, but the companies running them are a total scam. to fbg for supporting the scam or being too stupid to realize that it is a scam. shame on you fbgs, shame on you.

In what way is it a scam?

Possibly spending billions of dollars falsely advertising that it's super easy for anybody to win at DFS --when the numbers show that something like the top 2% of players win 90+% percent of total prize pools. I think the thing that a lot of us in the Shark Pool seem to forget is who exactly the ads on TV are targeting. Generally speaking--I'd imagine that the vast majority of people that post on the Shark Pool are pretty solid/experienced fantasy players that understand the odds of winning at DFS--and understand the tools/efforts required to be successful at DFS. The ads probably aren't going to "trick" us-- as we generally know what we would be getting into. However--the real issue would be for the person who has zero experience in fantasy sports--that watches the ads/infomericals and thinks he/she has a great shot at winning--when the reality has proven to show that the odds of success for them is nominal at best. To many people-this would qualify as being a scam.

Sounds like you just dislike advertising (i do too)

Insurance companies pretend they care about you...

Fast food companies push unhealthy food....

Christmas is coming, jewelry companies start telling you you better buy your girl a ring...

etc.... it's all a scam

 

[Joe Bryant]

Still, only 1 in 4 people in here are for DFS.

The poll numbers will probably be skewed now, we know all the people playing DFS, would vote for it, it was interesting to see how everyone else felt in The Shark Pool. This tread was just started in the DFS forum:https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/738296-go-vote/

Hi Kev,

Actually, let's not push this poll in the DFS forum. I'd rather just see what the Shark Pool thinks of it. Thanks.

J

Whoa whoa whoa, you just deleted my thread...

Why.

Why do you only want the Shark Pool people to vote or have an opinion? This makes no sense. And It's the first time I've questioned football guys.

WTF!

I think he deleted because he wanted to get the Shark Pool's pulse on DFS. It really doesn't make sense to solicit votes from the DFS forum, I'm sure that would be 100% positive. But the DFS players who frequent the Shark Pool, like yourself, are the type of people who should be voting in this poll. This isn't a FBGs poll, but one started by a member, I voted in it. But, I would never go to another forum to try and encourage other people to vote, that would make this particular poll useless. Anyway, I think they just want to a feel of what the Shark Pool is thinking, I guess, I apologize if it seemed like I complained about your thread, that wasn't my intent.

What Kev said. A poll that stays in the DFS forum asking them what they think is great. But let the DFS forum have their own thread and poll keeping it in the DFS forum. Don't try to recruit the DFS folks to come over to the Shark Pool and vote. That way you can compare the two forums better.

J

 

[jvdesigns2002]

dfs is a scam. the idea and game could be legit, but the companies running them are a total scam. to fbg for supporting the scam or being too stupid to realize that it is a scam. shame on you fbgs, shame on you.

In what way is it a scam?

Possibly spending billions of dollars falsely advertising that it's super easy for anybody to win at DFS --when the numbers show that something like the top 2% of players win 90+% percent of total prize pools. I think the thing that a lot of us in the Shark Pool seem to forget is who exactly the ads on TV are targeting. Generally speaking--I'd imagine that the vast majority of people that post on the Shark Pool are pretty solid/experienced fantasy players that understand the odds of winning at DFS--and understand the tools/efforts required to be successful at DFS. The ads probably aren't going to "trick" us-- as we generally know what we would be getting into. However--the real issue would be for the person who has zero experience in fantasy sports--that watches the ads/infomericals and thinks he/she has a great shot at winning--when the reality has proven to show that the odds of success for them is nominal at best. To many people-this would qualify as being a scam.

Sounds like you just dislike advertising (i do too)Insurance companies pretend they care about you...

Fast food companies push unhealthy food....

Christmas is coming, jewelry companies start telling you you better buy your girl a ring...

etc.... it's all a scam

I don't dislike DFS---in the poll I voted that I'm neutral towards it. I just don't agree with how DFS companies have taken a game that was "mildly" gambling in many respects----(season long leagues don't take bets on a daily basis, they are a one time bet and a long time game, they don't promote multiple bets, you essentially aren't playing against robots or super-computers..etc) and have infused it with steroids to turn into a casino friendly version that is open for business on daily basis. If you look at the fact that DFS includes baseball, football, hockey, basketball, nascar, golf, college sports----it really is a casino. The similarities between actual casinos and the businesses that you mentioned is that there are rules they abide by. I'm not against casinos either---I'm just for companies being regulated for what they are---and DFS is not doing this.

Your insurance agent/company exampe--insurance compainies have disclose everything about the policy that they are selling you in writing. Yes--some of it is in small print--but the information is there for you to read. They can't arbitrarily change your policy--whereas most DFS companies have the ability to change their terms of service at anytime.

Fast food companies have to give you calorie counts and nutritional data if it is requested. If they serve contaminated food-like Ecoli--health agencies can come in and make sure it's stopped until the problem is solved

The jewelry industry has many regulatory bodies---one of them is the JBT--the jewelers board of trade. Also--jewelry stores--just like any other business could be prosecuted against if they are guilty of false advertising...etc.

My only issue with the ads is that they are aimed at people who have no fantasy experience and try to brainwash them into believing that they have as good a chance as anybody to win. Look at the statistics. This notion is glaringly false. Their advertising campaigns are basically designed to suck in as much dead money as possible to feed the sharks. Every now and then--lightning strikes and one of these guppies actually wins something--and they feature them on every ad as if it is a common occurence.