Shark Pool Mock Draft 2011 - 4 Rounds (1 Viewer)

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

The Texans select from Pittsburgh DE/OLB Jabaal Sheard

I don't get this pick. Sheard would be the 4th OLB after Williams, Bowers, and Barwi. I also don't get the texans switch to the 3-4 since Williams is better as a 4-3 end, Okoye is best as a 4-3 tackle, and Cushing is better at OLB then inside in a 3-4. Plus they don't have a nose tackle.

I also think the personel is better suited to a 4-3, however that said, Williams is a DE not an OLB, Cushing is playing inside, Okoye is as good as gone, Barwi is a question mark, Bowers will be lined up all over the place and Sheard will start from day one.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

How many teams play just a 3-4? How many teams play only a 4-3? How many teams rotate DLs? How many teams play an ameba defense? How many teams zone blitz and drop DLs into coverage? To pigeon hole a player as on a 4-3 this or a 3-4 that is a mistake. To pass on a player of Bowers talent because he may not be a perfect fit into the system you are running today is a mistake. Two years ago Denver ran a 4-3 last year they ran a 3-4 this year they will run a 4-3 Things change drafting for a system is almost as bad as drafting strictly fo need.

How often were the Cowboys in the 4-3 last year?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Texans select from Pittsburgh DE/OLB Jabaal Sheard

I don't get this pick. Sheard would be the 4th OLB after Williams, Bowers, and Barwi. I also don't get the texans switch to the 3-4 since Williams is better as a 4-3 end, Okoye is best as a 4-3 tackle, and Cushing is better at OLB then inside in a 3-4. Plus they don't have a nose tackle.

I also think the personel is better suited to a 4-3, however that said, Williams is a DE not an OLB, Cushing is playing inside, Okoye is as good as gone, Barwi is a question mark, Bowers will be lined up all over the place and Sheard will start from day one.

You think that they brought in Wade Philips to run the 4-3?

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

The Texans select from Pittsburgh DE/OLB Jabaal Sheard

I don't get this pick. Sheard would be the 4th OLB after Williams, Bowers, and Barwi. I also don't get the texans switch to the 3-4 since Williams is better as a 4-3 end, Okoye is best as a 4-3 tackle, and Cushing is better at OLB then inside in a 3-4. Plus they don't have a nose tackle.

I also think the personel is better suited to a 4-3, however that said, Williams is a DE not an OLB, Cushing is playing inside, Okoye is as good as gone, Barwi is a question mark, Bowers will be lined up all over the place and Sheard will start from day one.

You think that they brought in Wade Philips to run the 4-3?

Of coarse not, I never said that.

 

[SproutDaddy]

With the 41st pick the Saints select Tandon Doss WR Indiana Keeping the face of the franchise smiling. Possesses above-average measurables along with good top-end speed for his size. Savvy within his stem, does a great job of setting up defenders with tempo and head and shoulder fakes. Fluid athlete for size and does a nice getting in and out of breaks. Can uncover against zone coverage and shows the awareness to set up defenders to create more area within the soft spots. Wades through traffic well. Refined with double moves and does a nice job of selling initial fake. Appears to have big, natural and strong hands that swallow the ball. Consistently catches the ball away from frame. Has the body control to open up and make catch outside of strike zone. Tracks the deep ball well and doesn't extend arms until last second. Could time leaps a bit better in jump ball situations. Possesses deceiving top-end speed and flashes ability to track the ball vertically. Consistently maximizes yards after the catch. Displays a quick initial burst and is a no non-sense runner that trusts his speed and immediately gets vertical. Does not have elite elusiveness but can make defender miss in space also shows ability to ruin defenders angles if provided a seam. Shows no fear working the middle of the field. Extremely aggressive attacking the ball in the air. Shows the focus to secure the ball in traffic while absorbing a hit. Gives good effort as a run blocker but could use some refining with technique.

As a Saints fan all I can say is I don't like either of these picks. Shaun Rodgers has been signed to play along Ellis. While Rodgers isn't young, DT isn't an area of need. OL or some form of a pass rusher should be addressed in the first 2 rounds. Pass catchers are definitely not an area of need at this point, but if they went that direction I'd rather them take Hankerson

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You think that they brought in Wade Philips to run the 4-3?

Of coarse not, I never said that.

I see now. Didn't get how you were responding to eakfootball. Nevermind.

 

[matttyl]

With the 41st pick the Saints select Tandon Doss WR Indiana Keeping the face of the franchise smiling. Possesses above-average measurables along with good top-end speed for his size. Savvy within his stem, does a great job of setting up defenders with tempo and head and shoulder fakes. Fluid athlete for size and does a nice getting in and out of breaks. Can uncover against zone coverage and shows the awareness to set up defenders to create more area within the soft spots. Wades through traffic well. Refined with double moves and does a nice job of selling initial fake. Appears to have big, natural and strong hands that swallow the ball. Consistently catches the ball away from frame. Has the body control to open up and make catch outside of strike zone. Tracks the deep ball well and doesn't extend arms until last second. Could time leaps a bit better in jump ball situations. Possesses deceiving top-end speed and flashes ability to track the ball vertically. Consistently maximizes yards after the catch. Displays a quick initial burst and is a no non-sense runner that trusts his speed and immediately gets vertical. Does not have elite elusiveness but can make defender miss in space also shows ability to ruin defenders angles if provided a seam. Shows no fear working the middle of the field. Extremely aggressive attacking the ball in the air. Shows the focus to secure the ball in traffic while absorbing a hit. Gives good effort as a run blocker but could use some refining with technique.

This is who you traded up with me to get? Man, I love that trade now, but upset Colin went where he did. I thought he's still fall to me, but still some good QBs on the board.

 

[Blackjacks]

my pick is ready to go after Denver selects (I just saw Busman on here)

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

(I just saw Busman on here)

Yeah I PM'd him... he was here right around 4pm. Then he vanished. :(

 

[Blackjacks]

(I just saw Busman on here)

Yeah I PM'd him... he was here right around 4pm. Then he vanished. :(

He was on here right when Pitt made there pick. I thought we were gonna get 3 in a row.

 

[Cipherchris]

Cushing and Ryans will both play inside. Sheard will play outside, Bowers will likly play the line but could play outside as well.

Bowers as a DE in the 3-4?

Like we discussed all the way back when the pick was made, Bowers is a misfit in the 3-4. He needs to be a 4-3 DE not a 3-4 DE or OLB.

How many teams play just a 3-4? How many teams play only a 4-3? How many teams rotate DLs? How many teams play an ameba defense? How many teams zone blitz and drop DLs into coverage? To pigeon hole a player as on a 4-3 this or a 3-4 that is a mistake. To pass on a player of Bowers talent because he may not be a perfect fit into the system you are running today is a mistake. Two years ago Denver ran a 4-3 last year they ran a 3-4 this year they will run a 4-3 Things change drafting for a system is almost as bad as drafting strictly fo need.

In general....Teams pick one or the other as their base, and lots of the time optimize their personnel for that base. You're right, a lot of teams give different looks, but their base 3/4-4/3 unit is the most frequent package used.

Adding on to that, when a team invest in a high pick, it is better not to ask a player to fit into the scheme that they are not comfortable with. I agree its hard to pass up on talented player especially when they fall so far, but your first pick should not be a project. They should be at the least a situational player, if not a starter. And I just can't see Bowers starting for the Texans

 

[RaiderBones]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

 

[Cipherchris]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Classic Al Davis

 

[Grimace59]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Taiwan Jones RB EWU perhaps?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Speaking of the Pat-Raider trade...

J. J. Watt (DE, Wisconsin) 2011+

--vs--

Richard Seymour 2009+

 

[Harjiran]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Taiwan Jones RB EWU perhaps?

The Raiders are definitely in the market for a RB, although WR is a real area of need as well. I'll probably just pick whoever has the best 40 time.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Taiwan Jones RB EWU perhaps?

The Raiders are definitely in the market for a RB, although though WR is a real area of need as well. I'll probably just pick whoever has the best 40 time.

 

[Blackjacks]

gotta leave for a couple of hours

Should be back about 7pm Central Time til 8pm and then gone again til about 10 pm.

I will PM my pick to chinawildman

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Speaking of the Pat-Raider trade...J. J. Watt (DE, Wisconsin) 2011+--vs--Richard Seymour 2009+

Yeah! And if the raiders actually sucked last year, like everyone thought they would, the pick would be even more premium than it was. Still, they're bound to find a capable replacement for seymour and reload the DL.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

People can also PM their pick or pick list.

The Steelers are done, so no sweat.

It can be short or it can be detailed.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Here we go with another 3+ hour layover between picks...

 

[RaiderBones]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Taiwan Jones RB EWU perhaps?

The Raiders are definitely in the market for a RB, although WR is a real area of need as well. I'll probably just pick whoever has the best 40 time.

I don't see the Raiders using their 2nd round pick on RB or WR unless there was extreme value to be had. They have much, much, much bigger areas of concern. The biggest two being OL, especially guard with Gallery gone and the other being CB with the likely hood that Asomugha being gone.

 

[eakfootball]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

With the 46th pick the raiders select... Usain Bolt-WR-Jamaica

 

[Grimace59]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Taiwan Jones RB EWU perhaps?

The Raiders are definitely in the market for a RB, although WR is a real area of need as well. I'll probably just pick whoever has the best 40 time.

I don't see the Raiders using their 2nd round pick on RB or WR unless there was extreme value to be had. They have much, much, much bigger areas of concern. The biggest two being OL, especially guard with Gallery gone and the other being CB with the likely hood that Asomugha being gone.

The Taiwan Jones comment was a joke. He's supposed to be the faster in player the draft in some peoples eyes. The raiders do not need a RB but Skelator may take one because of his speed.

 

[Blackjacks]

Here we go with another 3+ hour layover between picks...

I really dont get it. He was on the board while the pick before was being made and now nothing for 3 hrs.....come on.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Here we go with another 3+ hour layover between picks...

I really dont get it. He was on the board while the pick before was being made and now nothing for 3 hrs.....come on.

Well... we could petition the commish for a ruling...

 

[Blackjacks]

Here we go with another 3+ hour layover between picks...

I really dont get it. He was on the board while the pick before was being made and now nothing for 3 hrs.....come on.

Well... we could petition the commish for a ruling...

I don't even know who we would nominate for Denver (plus I am the next pick) so I will stay out of it.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Lot of good LBs left, which they need. Or a corner. Or a RB to committee with moreno...

 

[eakfootball]

Let's give him the rest of the day. If the picks not there at the crack of dawn tomorrow we can give him Ryan Williams or someone else.

 

[treat88]

Gotta say as a neutral observer and Steeler fan, if the team makes these picks in reality I will be shopping for a new TV due to putting my boot thru it.

 

[Harjiran]

Looking forward to the Raiders pick. I can see them taking OL, CB, & OLB.

There are some really fast players left.

Taiwan Jones RB EWU perhaps?

The Raiders are definitely in the market for a RB, although WR is a real area of need as well. I'll probably just pick whoever has the best 40 time.

I don't see the Raiders using their 2nd round pick on RB or WR unless there was extreme value to be had. They have much, much, much bigger areas of concern. The biggest two being OL, especially guard with Gallery gone and the other being CB with the likely hood that Asomugha being gone.

The Taiwan Jones comment was a joke. He's supposed to be the faster player the draft by some. The raiders do not need a RB but skelletor may take one because hes fast.

I was also joking.

 

[BusMan]

With the 48th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft the Denver Broncos select:

Marvin Austin - DT - North Carolina

Raise your hand if you think the Broncos have a starting DT currently on the roster.

PMing BlackJack.

 

[Harjiran]

With the 48th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft the Denver Broncos select:

Marvin Austin - DT - North Carolina

Raise your hand if you think the Broncos have a starting DT currently on the roster.

PMing BlackJack.

Looks like you've solved that problem with your first 2 picks.

 

[JetMaxx]

Nice pick Busman, now if we could get Blackjacks back we could pound out a few picks with who's here.

 

[Cipherchris]

Busman must've had a tough discussions with the 2 Johns

 

[chinawildman]

From Blackjacks:

With the 47th overall pick in the 2011 NFL draft the STL Rams select Ryan Williams RB Va Tech.

If anyone was watching Steven Jackson last year it isn't a secret his career is on the downward spiral. He might be able to extend his career 2-3 years with a nice complimented runner.....enter Ryan Williams. Williams is a perfect compliment to Jackson as he is shifty and quick in contrast to Jackson's tough and physical inside running style. They are both very good pass recieving rb's while Jackson is probably alittle better suited for the pass blocking scheme. The Rams lack a homerun hitter and this is what Williams would bring to the table. He was alittle injury proned last year but the Rams feel it was just a hammy he couldnt kick. With being in a RBBC for a year or 2 he should be allowed the time to properly heal and be ready to take the reigns in a couple of years and be the future full time rb for the Rams. Williams is a rb that would nicely fit in McDaniels wide open offense. Like I stated earlier, he catches the ball very well, has alot of speed and isvery versitile in most aspects of the game.

I would be delighted to get Williams this late in the draft. He was thought of as the 2nd best rb (and a close 1st) coming into the season before injuries robbed him of his season. His freshman year wasn't good it was GREAT. He brings alot to the table that the Rams are missing. I think Williams would have a great chance to be labeled as the steal of the draft.

Jackson has been a trooper for the Rams but all good things come to an end.

 

[Harjiran]

Al Davis probably takes Ryan Mallett here but for the purposes of this mock draft, I'm selecting:

Danny Watkins, OT, Baylor

because he is one of the best players available and he fills a critical need for the Raiders.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'd have to think that the Jags go with Ponder here.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Got a girl over the house so the short and sweet is:

Torrey Smith, WR Maryland

Team need, borderline 1st round talent, shocked and happy he's still available.

More on this later.

Cheers.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I'd have to think that the Jags go with Ponder here.

Not in love with ponder. Health concerns.Garrard isn't great, but he's average, so we will stand pat at QB for the moment.

 

[Kruppe]

50 Allen Bailey, DE Miami

 

[Cipherchris]

50 Allen Bailey, DE Miami

You won't find another harder working DE than Bailey. I love watching him play, though he's not the most dominant DE in the draft, fitting in with sexy Rexy Ryan will make him an outstanding player for the J-E-T-S

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Got a girl over the house so the short and sweet is:

Torey Smith, WR Maryland

Team need, borderline 1st round talent, shocked and happy he's still available.

More on this later.

Cheers.

Big, fat dislike. And because of this I hope you get none this evening

 

[Blackjacks]

Got a girl over the house so the short and sweet is:

Torey Smith, WR Maryland

Team need, borderline 1st round talent, shocked and happy he's still available.

More on this later.

Cheers.

Big, fat dislike. And because of this I hope you get none this evening

I thought this was value and a need. I agreed that I would rather have Ponder but if Jax doesnt like him he doesnt like him.

I think most people think Torey would be gone 10-15 picks earlier than this. With MSW now more than likely gone it doesnt leave much

for any qb to through to.

And never wish against a man getting some.....that just ain't cool.

 

[RaiderBones]

Al Davis probably takes Ryan Mallett here but for the purposes of this mock draft, I'm selecting:

Danny Watkins, OT, Baylor

because he is one of the best players available and he fills a critical need for the Raiders.

Love the pick. Sounds like he is moving up in the draft and will probably go in the late 1st round or early 2nd round, but if he fell to Oakland I would love it. He is a versatile offensive lineman who many project as a OG, which is a big need for Oakland.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Got a girl over the house so the short and sweet is:

Torey Smith, WR Maryland

Team need, borderline 1st round talent, shocked and happy he's still available.

More on this later.

Cheers.

Big, fat dislike. And because of this I hope you get none this evening

I thought this was value and a need. I agreed that I would rather have Ponder but if Jax doesnt like him he doesnt like him.

I think most people think Torey would be gone 10-15 picks earlier than this. With MSW now more than likely gone it doesnt leave much

for any qb to through to.

And never wish against a man getting some.....that just ain't cool.

I agree that WR is a need. This team has a ton of needs. I just like Christian Ponder here instead.And you're right- not cool.

 

[Blackjacks]

Got a girl over the house so the short and sweet is:

Torey Smith, WR Maryland

Team need, borderline 1st round talent, shocked and happy he's still available.

More on this later.

Cheers.

Big, fat dislike. And because of this I hope you get none this evening

I thought this was value and a need. I agreed that I would rather have Ponder but if Jax doesnt like him he doesnt like him.

I think most people think Torey would be gone 10-15 picks earlier than this. With MSW now more than likely gone it doesnt leave much

for any qb to through to.

And never wish against a man getting some.....that just ain't cool.

I agree that WR is a need. This team has a ton of needs. I just like Christian Ponder here instead.And you're right- not cool.

(BTW I like Ponder there to) I think he is going to be the best qb that comes out of this class and I think he would be perfect in Jacksonville.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Idk how the organization feels about him, but I don't see him giving me a better chance to win in the next 2-3 years than garrard. QB is something that needs to be addressed on this team eventually, but I had Smith as my #3wr and I was mystified how he fell this far. There are still a few reasonable choices at QB available in the draft, as well as some vets, so we will see.

 

[Donsmith753]

Can we get an updated list of picks with who's coming up next please?