Blackjacks
Footballguy
I might be wrong but between Grant, Jackson and Moreno the Packers would be investing a hell of a lot of $$$$ in running backs.
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Grant got a 4 year, heavily incentive based, 20 million contract. Jackson is on his rookie contract and he's making a pittance by NFL standards. This would not be that bad for them financially.Blackjacks said:
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I didn't know the details of Grant's contract. I knew Jackson was a second round pick and I thought he made desent moneyA top tn rb is making major bucks.I would think they would be in the top five in this scenario for paying thier rb's in the NFL.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I think I could guarantee this pick
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
My question would be, if you decide to go for a RB at #9, why Moreno over Wells?Chicago Hooligan said:
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Admittedly I don't watch tons of college football, but I am leery of guys like Raji who suddenly "shoot up draft boards." He may become a more convincing pick after the combine. Also, Boston College DT Ron Brace is a guy GB has talked to (but... maybe they talked to him about Raji!) and Brace might be there in the 3rd round.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I'm not a scouting maven, I just read about both and decided on Moreno. He sounded like a better receiving option and wasn't injured. You think Wells is better, or at least better for GB?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I can't answer to top 5 but I can tell you that Grant/Jackson made just under 6 million this year while Fargas/McFadden made over 10 million this year for the Raiders.
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awesomeness
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no i'd agree with you. If GB is going to take a RB they won't take Beanie. Beanie is like Grant in the fact that neither of them can catch. If GB took a RB i'd think they want someone who can do it all, run up the gut and catch out of the backfield.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
If this happened on draft day I gotta believe someone would be fired over night.scrumptrulescent said:I've got to say, as a Packer fan, I'm definitely surprised by this.Chicago Hooligan said:
Blackjacks
Footballguy
For certain teams I'd match different rb's. If both were there and GB wanted to go rb I'd match Moreno with GB over Wells.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I'm not saying I like one over the other, I just wanted to hear your reasoning. If they were to go with Moreno I'd assume they've given up on Brandon Jackson. If they were to take Wells I'd assume they don't like Grant.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Good thing I'm not a professional making sweet picks like Vernon Gholston, huh.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
LOL agreed. Sorry to bust on your pick, but the Pack were ranked 26th against the run in a division with ADP. I cant believe they would pass on the best DT available. However for this process it makes the draft much more interesting.Good thing I'm not a professional making sweet picks like Vernon Gholston, huh.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
They have Forte in the division too....LOL agreed. Sorry to bust on your pick, but the Pack were ranked 26th against the run in a division with ADP. I cant believe they would pass on the best DT available. However for this process it makes the draft much more interesting.Good thing I'm not a professional making sweet picks like Vernon Gholston, huh.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Nice selection. Jenkins or Brown I would have considered equally nice, but hard to go wrong building from the inside.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I agree somewhat with Hooligan when it comes to Raji. Raji did shoot up the charts based on the Senior Bowl practices. Meanwhile, his counterpart Ron Brace is the same size and could slip into the 3rd round. As a Pack fan, I wouldn't have taken Raji at #9 either. I don't think he's going to be the impact player worthy of a top 10 pick, but I'm wrong a lot.LOL agreed. Sorry to bust on your pick, but the Pack were ranked 26th against the run in a division with ADP. I cant believe they would pass on the best DT available. However for this process it makes the draft much more interesting.Good thing I'm not a professional making sweet picks like Vernon Gholston, huh.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
I thought Sanchez was a lock here.However I do think SF is trying to build there team around there defense and Raji is a stud.
Not a bad pick just not what I thought was coming
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With the 11th pick in the 2009 NFL draftThe Buffalo Bills select: Everette Brown, DE - Florida State
Many mocks have the Bills taking Pettigrew here, but i am highly opposed to that. There's really no reason to take a TE so high in the 1st round, especially one who is not a gamechanger, and when you have other major holes to more important positions.
Need: The Bills were tied for 4th last in sacks on defense, with no individual player getting more than 4 sacks on the season (although Schobel was injured for the majority of the season). The Kelsay/Denney defensive end combo scares no one. And with Schobel turning 32 by week 1 of the 2009 season, the Bills definitely need some talented youth in the defensive end position.
Everette Brown: Personally i like Brown a little bit more than Orakpo, though Orakpo has the higher upside. Brown has a repertoire of moves that Orakpo does not currently possess. Brown has a VERY good spin move and good strength that he uses for inside stunts, and he has an excellent inital burst of the line, great speed, and good lean for generating pressure around the corner. At times he tries to jump the count, to varying success. He always keeps his eyes on the ball, and often times blows plays up in the backfield, and play actions don't fool him.
His major weakness has to do with size. He's 6'4 252, and will need to put on at least 10 pounds, preferably 15-20 pounds to start as a 4-3 DE, which is what the Bills will ask him to do. He has the frame to do it, so i don't think it will be a major problem. Because of his lack of width, his run defense is questionable. He shows excellent pursuit and can shed blockers to get in the hole, but at times can be isolated out of the play.
Conclusion: Overall i think its a perfect value meets need pick. Though when the actual draft comes around i'm not 100% sure that Brown will be there at #11, though the Bills will just be hoping that one of the top defensive lineman: Raji, Orakpo, Brown will still be there.
Many mocks have the Bills taking Pettigrew here, but i am highly opposed to that. There's really no reason to take a TE so high in the 1st round, especially one who is not a gamechanger, and when you have other major holes to more important positions.
Need: The Bills were tied for 4th last in sacks on defense, with no individual player getting more than 4 sacks on the season (although Schobel was injured for the majority of the season). The Kelsay/Denney defensive end combo scares no one. And with Schobel turning 32 by week 1 of the 2009 season, the Bills definitely need some talented youth in the defensive end position.
Everette Brown: Personally i like Brown a little bit more than Orakpo, though Orakpo has the higher upside. Brown has a repertoire of moves that Orakpo does not currently possess. Brown has a VERY good spin move and good strength that he uses for inside stunts, and he has an excellent inital burst of the line, great speed, and good lean for generating pressure around the corner. At times he tries to jump the count, to varying success. He always keeps his eyes on the ball, and often times blows plays up in the backfield, and play actions don't fool him.
His major weakness has to do with size. He's 6'4 252, and will need to put on at least 10 pounds, preferably 15-20 pounds to start as a 4-3 DE, which is what the Bills will ask him to do. He has the frame to do it, so i don't think it will be a major problem. Because of his lack of width, his run defense is questionable. He shows excellent pursuit and can shed blockers to get in the hole, but at times can be isolated out of the play.
Conclusion: Overall i think its a perfect value meets need pick. Though when the actual draft comes around i'm not 100% sure that Brown will be there at #11, though the Bills will just be hoping that one of the top defensive lineman: Raji, Orakpo, Brown will still be there.
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
I don't know, I had Raji ranked #9 overall before the Senior Bowl. But I do agree that there will be very good DT prospects to be had later.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Seems like a pretty good pick for Buffalo. Does Brown have the frame to pack on 15-20 pounds and not lose the speed? Speed is his biggest asset I believe.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Surprised by the lack of CB's taken. They usually shoot off the board.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
With the 12th pick of the draft, the Denver Broncos select Rey Maualuga, LB USC
Coming into the draft, I had Raji, Everett Brown and Maualuga tabbed as possible picks with Orakpo and Curry being longshots to last this long.
This pick was easy given the 49ers and Bills selections.
Denver needs help on defense at just about every position.
Maualuga is a tenacious hitter who will bring attitude and toughness to a defense that has been lacking both since Al Wilson left. Maualuga is a big body who IMO is the best fit for a 3-4 MLB in the draft. He will be able to come in and make an instant impact. With the news that DJ Williams might play inside or outside in the 3-4, it gives Denver a little versatility at the LB position. Maualuga reminds me a lot of a younger Junior Seau and may be a player they can build their defense around for years to come. He can make some mental mistakes at times but he's as big a playmaker as they come at MLB and there were times throughout his college career where he seemed to get in a zone and take over (see last year's Rose Bowl vs. Illinois). He has a knack for the big hit and may be able to step up as a vocal leader for a defense that needs all the help it can get. I think he will be the latest in a long line of stud LBs who hail from Southern Cal.
I'll send a PM to the Redskin owner.
Coming into the draft, I had Raji, Everett Brown and Maualuga tabbed as possible picks with Orakpo and Curry being longshots to last this long.
This pick was easy given the 49ers and Bills selections.
Denver needs help on defense at just about every position.
Maualuga is a tenacious hitter who will bring attitude and toughness to a defense that has been lacking both since Al Wilson left. Maualuga is a big body who IMO is the best fit for a 3-4 MLB in the draft. He will be able to come in and make an instant impact. With the news that DJ Williams might play inside or outside in the 3-4, it gives Denver a little versatility at the LB position. Maualuga reminds me a lot of a younger Junior Seau and may be a player they can build their defense around for years to come. He can make some mental mistakes at times but he's as big a playmaker as they come at MLB and there were times throughout his college career where he seemed to get in a zone and take over (see last year's Rose Bowl vs. Illinois). He has a knack for the big hit and may be able to step up as a vocal leader for a defense that needs all the help it can get. I think he will be the latest in a long line of stud LBs who hail from Southern Cal.
I'll send a PM to the Redskin owner.
massraider
Footballguy
According to NFL Draft Scout, he can. FWIW. I think he is 250 right now. A young guy getting to 260+ doesn't seem like much of a stretch. I like this pick.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I had already made up my mind that I was going to argue against you if you selected anyone else. Maualuga is a great fit for Denver moving forward in the 3-4 and gives them an instant leader in the middle. Now go get him a NT to keep him clean in round 2. 
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Everette BrownThere's a picture of him. To me he doesn't looked very toned at all, if anything he looks a little chubby in the stomach. I think he has the frame to put on 15-20 pounds, with the majority of that being muscle.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'm out for a few hours after 5:00. I'll try my best to get back by 7:00, but I will definately check in at some point tonight.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
If the draft were to fall this way, I think San Diego might try to trade up and take Rey ahead of Denver.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Is Rey really viewed as that much of a can't miss ILB in the 3-4?If the draft were to fall this way, I think San Diego might try to trade up and take Rey ahead of Denver.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
He is by me, for whatever that's worth. I don't recall reading or watching anyone that disagrees, but I can't say that I gave particular attention to seeking other opinions on that issue.Has anyone messaged Chris Cooley fan?Is Rey really viewed as that much of a can't miss ILB in the 3-4?If the draft were to fall this way, I think San Diego might try to trade up and take Rey ahead of Denver.I had already made up my mind that I was going to argue against you if you selected anyone else. Maualuga is a great fit for Denver moving forward in the 3-4 and gives them an instant leader in the middle. Now go get him a NT to keep him clean in round 2.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
I think so. Maybe a SD homer can chime in but I'm under the impression that one of the Chargers' biggest needs this offseason is an impact MLB.Is Rey really viewed as that much of a can't miss ILB in the 3-4?If the draft were to fall this way, I think San Diego might try to trade up and take Rey ahead of Denver.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Substitute Jenkins for Knowshon and I nailed the first 12 picks of this mock 2 weeks ago.
coolnerd
Footballguy
As we appraoch, you or any other Texans fan can PM ideas. does not mean I will follow, but love to hear what you are thinking.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Would that be Malcom Jenkins?
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I think every team left in the 1st round except the Eagles would be on the phone to the 'Skins right now too, trying to get ahead of NO.
The Packers have 4 players on their roster who can play the NT in the 3-4. Pickett, Cole, Jolly (if not in Jail) and Harrell. And while I think Raji is more than a workout warrior, I don't have a problem with them passing on him.Passing on Malcolm Jenkins is a bigger suprise, because the Packers need to replace both Woodson and Harris in the next 2 years. Williams looked good, but we still need another starter. I am not sold on Jenkins however, so I don't mind passing on him either.
Moreno does fit the Packer's offense, and Georgia plays a pro style requiring him to block and run routes. And having a playmaker at Running Back would be a big boost to the offense. Ryan Grant was that guy two years ago, and we missed that last year.
I have to think with Clifton getting older, and Tauscher a free agent, that they really want to go Tackle here. If the top 4 OTs are taken, it will be interesting to see what they do.
saintfool
Dead sexy
the saints have plenty of needs. at 1.14 they can take advantage of a BPA philosophy with considerable success.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I guess some people are on their way home from work and getting ready for dinner. Hopefully we can get about 5 to 6 more picks tonight.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Just got in from work, give me about an hour so please!
Blackjacks
Footballguy
An hour?
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
With that, I'll check back in tomorrow morning. There's no way we'll get to Chicago's pick until than anyway....
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
With pick 1.13 The Washington Redskins Select
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
I'll post this and give my reasons, so someone else can post if ready.
Sorry Saints!!!
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
I'll post this and give my reasons, so someone else can post if ready.
Sorry Saints!!!
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I see some writing going on ...........
Here's the pick
And yes Saints fans would want the heads of the Redskins front office
Good pick though by Washington
Excelent value. I could have seen reasons to take Jenkins as earl as #5 to the Browns
Here's the pick
And yes Saints fans would want the heads of the Redskins front office
Good pick though by Washington
Excelent value. I could have seen reasons to take Jenkins as earl as #5 to the Browns
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ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
What I'm hoping is that the Redskins can add Jordan Gross Tackle Carolina Panthers with Free Agency, so I was hoping to get a DT/DE with this pick. But with the run on both Oline, and Dline, when your picking with the 13th pick, you go with best avialable. Word is that the Skins are trying to resign Hall, and would let Rogers go, Smoot is not a number 2 anymore, and Springs couldn't play 16 games in 2 seasons combined. I think that if the draft went like this the Skins would take Jenkins for these reasons. Also knowing that Saints would want Jenkins, and could possibly trade out of this spot, moving down in the round, going after Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss, Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU, or even Alex Mack, C, California.
What I'm hoping is that the Redskins can add Jordan Gross Tackle Carolina Panthers with Free Agency, so I was hoping to get a DT/DE with this pick. But with the run on both Oline, and Dline, when your picking with the 13th pick, you go with best avialable. Word is that the Skins are trying to resign Hall, and would let Rogers go, Smoot is not a number 2 anymore, and Springs couldn't play 16 games in 2 seasons combined. I think that if the draft went like this the Skins would take Jenkins for these reasons. Also knowing that Saints would want Jenkins, and could possibly trade out of this spot, moving down in the round, going after Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss, Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU, or even Alex Mack, C, California.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Great value pick.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Sorry again for taking so long, had an unusal long day. Was hoping my pick wouldn't come up that early but it did. Sorry again. Thanks for waiting on me, and thanks for letting me do this.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
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