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Shaun Alexander is horrible (1 Viewer)

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I know he's hurt, but he looks like a shell of his old self. Cutting is gone, he never seems to push for the extra yards, speed is gone, vision looks poor.

Injury? Loss of his FB? Oline? Age? All of the above?

 
he sucks. this team blows. they have no offensive line, they have no passing threat and teams know that when alexander is in there that they dont have to defend the flats because he cant catch with that stupid cast on. he got paid and now is on the decline. id trade him for anything at the moment.

 
I have only seen him sparingly before tonight so FWIW.....watching him tonight he looks OK, maybe even a little above avg. Not great, not terrible. The thing is the team isn't looking very good. They need that go-to WR, a better OL, and a decent TE wouldn't hurt.

And given his age/recent injury history/mileage, this is surprising how?

 
- O-Line attrition over time

- He's aging

- He's never been a guy that runs with passion

 
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Hutchingson going over to Minn at the beginning of 2006 has a lot to do with it. The Vikings seem to have benefeited a bit from the move too =)

 
O line has no push - no holes to run in. Not to defend him, b/c he's running soft and slow anyway. And this is vs. friggin NO...in 'primetime' where he used to seem to score @ will.

 
BigRed said:
I have only seen him sparingly before tonight so FWIW.....watching him tonight he looks OK, maybe even a little above avg. Not great, not terrible. The thing is the team isn't looking very good. They need that go-to WR, a better OL, and a decent TE wouldn't hurt.

And given his age/recent injury history/mileage, this is surprising how?
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:wall:
 
His play this season is bringing back memories of when Eddie George fell off his game. George didn't just hit the wall; he slammed right into it and went from being a very good RB to being damn near worthless almost overnight. I don't think Alexander is worthless but his game is really falling off in rather dramatic fashion - much like George's did.

 
Seems to me people are overreacting to a team that fell behind early. His schedule should open up soon especially with the Rams next week. People are too willing to value a player by the most recent game only.

 
Urinal Mint said:
- O-Line attrition over time

- He's aging

- He's never been a guy that runs with passion
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:pickle: it actually seemed like he was trying tonight - in the first quarter anyway. He was called out on the local radio stations this week and it didn't surprise me that he ran harder tonight. This team has bigger problems than Alexander though.

 
Alexander is the same RB he's always been, or close to it at least. The guy is not physically gifted, which makes all that he accomplished in his career all the more impressive. He's not particularly fast, not particularly strong, and has almost no lateral juking ability. For all his lack of physical talents compared to other RBs in the league though, he makes up for it with some of the best vision out there. The problem is that for vision to work, you have to have SOMEwhere to go. SA has always been, and will always be, a guy who is great in great schemes but not good when he has to make the yards himself.

 
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Ariakis said:
Seems to me people are overreacting to a team that fell behind early. His schedule should open up soon especially with the Rams next week. People are too willing to value a player by the most recent game only.
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I agree. He hardly played in the second half and even in the first half after that opening TD on the punt Seattle was behind the whole game. You can't run if you don't run. Also agree the cast hurts because teams know that when he is in he will run and he is no threat to go outside and catch.
 
MarcO said:
Urinal Mint said:
- O-Line attrition over time

- He's aging

- He's never been a guy that runs with passion
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:shrug: it actually seemed like he was trying tonight - in the first quarter anyway. He was called out on the local radio stations this week and it didn't surprise me that he ran harder tonight. This team has bigger problems than Alexander though.
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Not really. It all boils down to him. I know he hasn;t gotten the holes he used to but every other back in the league tries for yards and has or has not holes. SA can't even turn nothing into nothing, he turns it into less than nothing. That's why he was getting booed every time he touched the ball. He looked a little better in the first quarter but he's been a huge turd all year and a limp wrist can't be the issue. I don't think it's age, he hasn't taken the pounding most do because he always ran like a pansy, I think he got the dough and has no heart. Last week the Steelers didn't care about SA and kept everyone in pass coverage. If teams don't respect the run at all, it ruins the whole passing attack. And yes the OL is in part to blame, but if you've watched him play you can see that he isn't even trying whatsoever, hasn't busted a tackle all season, and curls into a little ball on first contact. Give him a hole with blockers in front of him he'll slide on up until soneone lays a fingertip on him.

 
He seems to curl up into the fetal position when he gets touched. No second effort. No trying to get that extra yard. It seems like he is just taking a flop whenever he knows there is going to be contact. Not good for a RB. :shrug:

 
Ariakis said:
Seems to me people are overreacting to a team that fell behind early. His schedule should open up soon especially with the Rams next week. People are too willing to value a player by the most recent game only.
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His schedule didn't open up when they played the Saints?
 
FreeBaGeL said:
Alexander is the same RB he's always been, or close to it at least. The guy is not physically gifted, which makes all that he accomplished in his career all the more impressive. He's not particularly fast, not particularly strong, and has almost no lateral juking ability. For all his lack of physical talents compared to other RBs in the league though, he makes up for it with some of the best vision out there. The problem is that for vision to work, you have to have SOMEwhere to go. SA has always been, and will always be, a guy who is great in great schemes but not good when he has to make the yards himself.
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Sounds like a bunch of excuses. If he was the same back he's always been he wouldn't be putting up 30 yards against the Saints. He sucks and I'm going to take whatever I can get for him.Classic example of take the cash and call it a career. I can only imagine the conversation between him and LT when he said he was going to break the TD record.
 
az_prof said:
Ariakis said:
Seems to me people are overreacting to a team that fell behind early. His schedule should open up soon especially with the Rams next week. People are too willing to value a player by the most recent game only.
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I agree. He hardly played in the second half and even in the first half after that opening TD on the punt Seattle was behind the whole game. You can't run if you don't run. Also agree the cast hurts because teams know that when he is in he will run and he is no threat to go outside and catch.
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Are you crazy? Why would they keep playing him? He was contributing nothing except for falling down upon (and even before) contact. If they ran him 10 more times, they'd probably get 25 yards.
 
packersfan said:
His play this season is bringing back memories of when Eddie George fell off his game. George didn't just hit the wall; he slammed right into it and went from being a very good RB to being damn near worthless almost overnight. I don't think Alexander is worthless but his game is really falling off in rather dramatic fashion - much like George's did.
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I will second this line of thought. Will add, though I know noone cares, that I traded him for Ronnie Brown this week (Redraft) and couldn't be happier.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
Alexander is the same RB he's always been, or close to it at least. The guy is not physically gifted, which makes all that he accomplished in his career all the more impressive. He's not particularly fast, not particularly strong, and has almost no lateral juking ability. For all his lack of physical talents compared to other RBs in the league though, he makes up for it with some of the best vision out there. The problem is that for vision to work, you have to have SOMEwhere to go. SA has always been, and will always be, a guy who is great in great schemes but not good when he has to make the yards himself.
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Teams waste the 19th pick in the draft on players who aren't physically gifted?
 
cstu said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Alexander is the same RB he's always been, or close to it at least. The guy is not physically gifted, which makes all that he accomplished in his career all the more impressive. He's not particularly fast, not particularly strong, and has almost no lateral juking ability. For all his lack of physical talents compared to other RBs in the league though, he makes up for it with some of the best vision out there. The problem is that for vision to work, you have to have SOMEwhere to go. SA has always been, and will always be, a guy who is great in great schemes but not good when he has to make the yards himself.
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Teams waste the 19th pick in the draft on players who aren't physically gifted?
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FreeBa... you have no idea what your talking about... any player that scores 20+ TDs in one season is very gifted; father time has caught up with SA.FB Weaver may be the next RB there

 
Shaun Alexander rushed 14 times for 35 yards in Week 6.

Alexander's talent has diminished significantly, and criticism of him should only mount after another lackluster performance. The relic can be counted on as a RB2 at best. Meanwhile, Leonard Weaver looked great, and poses a major threat to Alexander's touches. :shrug:

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Shaun Alexander rushed 14 times for 35 yards in Week 6.Alexander's talent has diminished significantly, and criticism of him should only mount after another lackluster performance. The relic can be counted on as a RB2 at best. Meanwhile, Leonard Weaver looked great, and poses a major threat to Alexander's touches. :shrug:
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Alexander got old real fast...
 
Da Guru said:
BustedKnuckles said:
Shaun Alexander rushed 14 times for 35 yards in Week 6.Alexander's talent has diminished significantly, and criticism of him should only mount after another lackluster performance. The relic can be counted on as a RB2 at best. Meanwhile, Leonard Weaver looked great, and poses a major threat to Alexander's touches. :shrug:
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Alexander got old real fast...
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C'mon Kevin Jones! C'mon Thomas Jones! C'mon any back I have so I can face the reality that I blew a pick on Alexander and can safely bench him from here on out.
 
Ariakis said:
Seems to me people are overreacting to a team that fell behind early. His schedule should open up soon especially with the Rams next week. People are too willing to value a player by the most recent game only.
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Have you watched the guy play? His explosion is completely gone and it looks like he wants NO part of contact. I agree that it's bad to react about one game, but we're 6 games into the season and to ignore trends emerging now is just burying your head in the sand. Alexander is on pace for 1100 rushing yards and 5 TDs this year. It's not terrible, but it's nowhere near first round FF production. 70 yards a game with a TD sprinkled in every third week? Yuk. And that's being kind. He hasn't seen the endzone since week 2. I hadn't thought about it before, but whoever mentioned Eddie George above -- good call. The two situations do feel very similar.
 
kris said:
Sounds like a bunch of excuses. If he was the same back he's always been he wouldn't be putting up 30 yards against the Saints. He sucks and I'm going to take whatever I can get for him.
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He would have if the o-line weren't opening up the holes for him, which I've been saying his entire career (even when he was ripping off big games). Alexander has looked like a 30+ y.o. RB out there since he was 26.
 
BustedKnuckles said:
Shaun Alexander rushed 14 times for 35 yards in Week 6.

Alexander's talent has diminished significantly, and criticism of him should only mount after another lackluster performance. The relic can be counted on as a RB2 at best. Meanwhile, Leonard Weaver looked great, and poses a major threat to Alexander's touches. :shrug:
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Weaver may have done well, but that sounds like a major stretch there. Holmgren will almost certainly keep feeding the ball to Alexander as long as he's healthy.
 
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thecardiackid said:
O line has no push - no holes to run in. Not to defend him, b/c he's running soft and slow anyway. And this is vs. friggin NO...in 'primetime' where he used to seem to score @ will.
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I agree completely. I also refuse to take Holmgren off the hook. He has always loved to pass and he does seem to run Alexander on 1st and 2nd downs (obvious rushing downs) so the defense then tees off on him. However SA does go down at the first sight of contact and if I paid $100 to attend a Seattle game I'd be booing too. That whole team looks like they don't care and the OL is horrid at runblocking. Still there were times last night when it looked like Alexander could have turned it up field, lowered his shoulder and picked up 5 yards and instead he danced around and fell down at the line of scrimmage.I kept him this year hoping he'd pick up a boatload of those 1 yard TDs he used to get, but Seattle isn't in those positions this year, and if they are they're passing.
 
PR Sparty said:
I know he's hurt, but he looks like a shell of his old self. Cutting is gone, he never seems to push for the extra yards, speed is gone, vision looks poor.Injury? Loss of his FB? Oline? Age? All of the above?
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This just proves that the year he did so well was all due to his offensive line and the fact that he was in a contract year.
 
HairySasquatch said:
He seems to curl up into the fetal position when he gets touched. No second effort. No trying to get that extra yard. It seems like he is just taking a flop whenever he knows there is going to be contact. Not good for a RB. :confused:
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All year I have been wondering why he has been this bad and finally seeing him play last night proves he is done.. He hits the hole slow, he falls on contact (or before), and is about the be on the waiver wire.. I'm pretty sure his lack luster performance is going to cost me my fantasy win this week.. :rant:
 
faulkfan said:
I agree completely. I also refuse to take Holmgren off the hook. He has always loved to pass and he does seem to run Alexander on 1st and 2nd downs (obvious rushing downs) so the defense then tees off on him.
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The year Alexander rushed for 1880 yards, he had 335 rushes on first and second down (of 370 total). Were you complaining then?
 
And to think I was razzed for trading him straight up for MN's Adrian Peterson in a keeper league prior to the season.

Go AD!

 
PR Sparty said:
I know he's hurt, but he looks like a shell of his old self. Cutting is gone, he never seems to push for the extra yards, speed is gone, vision looks poor.Injury? Loss of his FB? Oline? Age? All of the above?
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i made some posts about this in the summer, but as soon as a RB turns 30 (especially a first to second round back) i just stay away. i may lose out on one more year of productivity, but i don't get burned either.
 
FreeBaGeL said:
Alexander is the same RB he's always been, or close to it at least. The guy is not physically gifted, which makes all that he accomplished in his career all the more impressive. He's not particularly fast, not particularly strong, and has almost no lateral juking ability. For all his lack of physical talents compared to other RBs in the league though, he makes up for it with some of the best vision out there. The problem is that for vision to work, you have to have SOMEwhere to go. SA has always been, and will always be, a guy who is great in great schemes but not good when he has to make the yards himself.
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:goodposting:
 
He was just never all THAT good. He was a solid back in a dynamite system with great blocking. Always thought this was obvious.

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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Ariakis said:
Seems to me people are overreacting to a team that fell behind early. His schedule should open up soon especially with the Rams next week. People are too willing to value a player by the most recent game only.
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Have you watched the guy play? His explosion is completely gone and it looks like he wants NO part of contact. I agree that it's bad to react about one game, but we're 6 games into the season and to ignore trends emerging now is just burying your head in the sand. Alexander is on pace for 1100 rushing yards and 5 TDs this year. It's not terrible, but it's nowhere near first round FF production. 70 yards a game with a TD sprinkled in every third week? Yuk. And that's being kind. He hasn't seen the endzone since week 2. I hadn't thought about it before, but whoever mentioned Eddie George above -- good call. The two situations do feel very similar.
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Except Eddie George had heart. SA wants absolutely ZERO contact. He's a pansy, just like he always has been (it's not a recent trend). But now that he isn't fighting for a big payday he's done. I think him getting 70/game is generous. If it weren't for Holmgren's blind adherence to players he'll still be in the game but if Weaver and Morris start doing more with the ball when they get it, then SA is in deep trouble. He was getting booed in the first quarter! And he deserves it.
 
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