Shawne Merriman on Priest Holmes (3 Viewers)

[Despyzer]

Did Merriman play against the Pats? I don't remember seeing him.

Are you Doo's alias or is he yours?

 

[UCLAGIE]

Did Merriman play against the Pats? I don't remember seeing him.

You could say the same about Richard Seymour against a rookie LT

 

[Boston]

Did Merriman play against the Pats? I don't remember seeing him.

You could say the same about Richard Seymour against a rookie LT

Absolutely. McNeil took care of him that game. Very impressive effort by a rookie (or a veteran for that matter). Overall, Seymour did not have a good year by his standards. Whether it was the the post-contract letdown or the injuries he did not play to the level that we've seen in the past.

 

[Tau837]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

The thread is too long for me to read at the moment but I wanted to answer. No, it doesn't change my opinion. My opinion of the Pats' behavior has nothing to do with Merriman. That is, whether or not one approves of his sack dance has nothing to do with whether or not the Pats' behavior was right. The fact is that they were not classy in dancing on the logo and shouting taunts into the locker room afterwards. Whether or not Merriman or the Chargers have also exhibited unclassy behavior in the past is irrelevant.As for this quote, who cares? It is hard to take it at face value. The "smiles wickedly" was the writer's take. His quote was that he "never wants" to end another player's career. The following quote could have just been lighthearted, or even in a different context.Plus, I'm reminded of **** Butkus, who said he used to fantasize about knocking the head off of his opponent, etc. Merriman's hit on Holmes wasn't cheap, so it really doesn't matter. Defensive players are paid to punish offensive players. Sometimes they get hurt. It happens.

 

[BoltBacker]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

This really is a stupid post. ....

Calling one of the owners stupid? Have a nice season.

I wouldn't say it's a stupid post but I don't really see how one has anything to do with the other and I'd say this entire thread pretty much underscores that. The people that hated Merriman still hate Merriman. The people that defend Merriman still defend him. So I guess Joe got his answer..... "NO". Did he really think it would? I think Joe is just playing the LHUCKS card here and posting something to get a reaction. In fact, now that I think about it I've never seen the both of them in the same room... or on the same boat for that matter... at the same time. Coincidence?

 

[Sabertooth]

Merriman is a #####.

 

[Joe Bryant]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

This really is a stupid post. If he is trying to take people out by playing hard hitting football then I have no problem with it whatsoever. I would hope every defensive player on my favorite team was trying to hit and tackle as hard as possible. Priest Holmes isnt on the Patriots and has no ties to the Patriots. Within the quote he says he didnt want to end his career, yet people will find something to critize him about anyway. Merriman isnt a cheap shot artist, he doesnt molest little boys and every team in the league would love to have a player of his caliber on their team. The lights out celebration is nothing more than a marketing gimick to sell himself to the american public. Its not mocking or taunting a fallen QB. He sells T-shirts and hats with the lights out logo on it and gets more airtime and in the future more money for a being a more well known player by doing so.

Calling one of the owners stupid? Have a nice season. As to the bolded part...

Thanks SN. But she's ok there. I threw out a Merriman quote and a quote from his HS coach and asked if that changed anything for folks. It seemed like a pretty straightforward fact and question to me. The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though. J

 

[alg]

I've never figured out how a player doing a dance is ok, but someone MIMICKING the dance is being disrespectful.

Post of the week. The Pats couldn't mock the Chargers with the Merriman dance if the Chargers didn't let or encourage him do it to everyone else.If I had my druthers, NFL players would be suspended for doing any kind of dance, ever, because:1. It shows a complete lack of class and sportsmanship.2. It is a violation of the laws of aesthetics, and a blow to American cultural heritage - or an indication of lack thereof.3. It is a true sign of the Apocalypse and the impending end-times.....JMH $.002

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've never figured out how a player doing a dance is ok, but someone MIMICKING the dance is being disrespectful.

Post of the week. The Pats couldn't mock the Chargers with the Merriman dance if the Chargers didn't let or encourage him do it to everyone else.If I had my druthers, NFL players would be suspended for doing any kind of dance, ever, because:1. It shows a complete lack of class and sportsmanship.2. It is a violation of the laws of aesthetics, and a blow to American cultural heritage - or an indication of lack thereof.3. It is a true sign of the Apocalypse and the impending end-times.....JMH $.002

Hi alg,Is it really that hard to see? A dance like Merriman's thing is pretty much a dance. It's not much more than a :lookatme: thing. Not much deeper message than that behind it. Not much in your face.When a NY Giant player runs to the Philly sidelines and does the Eagle wing flap thing, that clearly has the message that you're throwing it right into their face. The difference seems obvious to me.I'm not a huge fan (or detractor) of either. But it is definitely a downside of having a "signature" move. If you've ever seen the other team doing the Tomahawk Chop as their team beats Florida State, you know what I mean.Several years ago I sat close to the Georgia section at a UT football game. The Bulldog fans do a bunch of yells where all the fans do the "woof woof woof" thing at the end. The guys all try to do it in a real low voice. They did it over and over. But after Jamal Lewis ran up / down / over their defense for most of the day, they finally stopped. Walking out of the stadium with red and orange pressed shoulder to shoulder, you heard plenty of high pitched "arf arf arf" poodle sounding barks. So for me, it's bottom line part of the game. Don't think you can have a "signature" move and not have it thrown back at you. Even if it's kind of toolish to do so.J

 

[Gr00vus]

The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though.

That's ridiculous. I think you knew exactly the kind of reactions you'd be getting from this whole . The only thing mildly interesting about this whole thread is that you felt the need to post it in the "Jerry Springer" kind of way you did. I realize it's the offseason, but I'd like to think the staff here have better things to do than post trivial talking points in an incendiary manner just to stir up the villagers. Posting what Merriman said invites discussion. Couching it in terms of how people feel about what the Pats did a few weeks ago is nothing but baiting. I consider it a low point for you Joe, even if it is not that big a deal in essence.If you have an axe to grind (I'm not saying you do, but it seems like you are taking some pleasure in baiting Charger fans in this and another thread or two), grind it, that's your deal. But don't try and act surprised when you get a very predictable reaction. I expect that of LHUCKS, I expect better of you Joe.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though.

That's ridiculous. I think you knew exactly the kind of reactions you'd be getting from this whole . The only thing mildly interesting about this whole thread is that you felt the need to post it in the "Jerry Springer" kind of way you did. I realize it's the offseason, but I'd like to think the staff here have better things to do than post trivial talking points in an incendiary manner just to stir up the villagers. Posting what Merriman said invites discussion. Couching in it terms of how people feel about what the Pats did a few weeks ago is nothing but baiting. I consider it a low point for you Joe, even if it is not that big a deal in essence.If you have an axe to grind (I'm not saying you do, but it seems like you are taking some pleasure in baiting Charger fans in this and another thread or two), grind it, that's your deal. But don't try and act surprised when you get a very predictable reaction.

Sorry if that hits a nerve there. I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one). I expected more to be like Maurile.Discussing things players say like this is something we've done here pretty much since day one. Regular season and offseason. That won't stop anytime soon. If that makes it a "low point" for you, I don't know what to say as that won't change. J

 

[PatsWillWin]

There's a reason why threads like this started by JB end up with JB using this a lot:

 

[Gr00vus]

The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though.

That's ridiculous. I think you knew exactly the kind of reactions you'd be getting from this whole . The only thing mildly interesting about this whole thread is that you felt the need to post it in the "Jerry Springer" kind of way you did. I realize it's the offseason, but I'd like to think the staff here have better things to do than post trivial talking points in an incendiary manner just to stir up the villagers. Posting what Merriman said invites discussion. Couching in it terms of how people feel about what the Pats did a few weeks ago is nothing but baiting. I consider it a low point for you Joe, even if it is not that big a deal in essence.If you have an axe to grind (I'm not saying you do, but it seems like you are taking some pleasure in baiting Charger fans in this and another thread or two), grind it, that's your deal. But don't try and act surprised when you get a very predictable reaction.

Sorry if that hits a nerve there. I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one). I expected more to be like Maurile.Discussing things players say like this is something we've done here pretty much since day one. Regular season and offseason. That won't stop anytime soon. If that makes it a "low point" for you, I don't know what to say as that won't change.

J

As highlighted above, no problem with discussing Merriman's comments. The problem is you going pro wrestling promoter by dragging the Pats into it in a manner which could do nothing but bring extra contentiousness and bitterness into it. If you truly didn't see that at the time you posted you might want to pay more attention to it in future. However you seem like a more insightful person than that which leaves only the option that you did it intentionally to rather than have a simple discussion of Merriman's quotes on their own merit. Granted someone would probably have taken things the way they've gone (how many times have we had basically this same thread now?), but you didn't need to be the one to take it there right off the bat. That's what I'm saying, and that's where my disappointment with your actions here lie.I hope that clarifies my position in this area.

 

[Joe Bryant]

There's a reason why threads like this started by JB end up with JB using this a lot:

Hi jets,If you check my posts, I use a lot period.I know people like to say I fish. If you call trying to encourage good discussion "fishing" then for sure. I try to generate discussion. That usually means people are on both sides of the issue having a dialog. The one sided discussions usually die pretty fast. J

 

[alg]

I've never figured out how a player doing a dance is ok, but someone MIMICKING the dance is being disrespectful.

Post of the week. The Pats couldn't mock the Chargers with the Merriman dance if the Chargers didn't let or encourage him do it to everyone else.If I had my druthers, NFL players would be suspended for doing any kind of dance, ever, because:1. It shows a complete lack of class and sportsmanship.2. It is a violation of the laws of aesthetics, and a blow to American cultural heritage - or an indication of lack thereof.3. It is a true sign of the Apocalypse and the impending end-times.....JMH $.002

Hi alg,Is it really that hard to see? A dance like Merriman's thing is pretty much a dance. It's not much more than a :lookatme: thing. Not much deeper message than that behind it. Not much in your face.When a NY Giant player runs to the Philly sidelines and does the Eagle wing flap thing, that clearly has the message that you're throwing it right into their face. The difference seems obvious to me.I'm not a huge fan (or detractor) of either. But it is definitely a downside of having a "signature" move. If you've ever seen the other team doing the Tomahawk Chop as their team beats Florida State, you know what I mean.Several years ago I sat close to the Georgia section at a UT football game. The Bulldog fans do a bunch of yells where all the fans do the "woof woof woof" thing at the end. The guys all try to do it in a real low voice. They did it over and over. But after Jamal Lewis ran up / down / over their defense for most of the day, they finally stopped. Walking out of the stadium with red and orange pressed shoulder to shoulder, you heard plenty of high pitched "arf arf arf" poodle sounding barks. So for me, it's bottom line part of the game. Don't think you can have a "signature" move and not have it thrown back at you. Even if it's kind of toolish to do so.J

The bad thing for me is just as you say - "look at me!" That is enough.The reason I feel so strongly about it probably has more to do with events outside of football, but as a cultural trend setter - or advertiser - the NFL has few equals. In short, it represents many of the wrong turns in our culture that, in the long run, show a decline in our key values.Of course to apply such (over) thinking to the discussion at hand seems a bit overkill, but I can't help myself. People will continue to ask the question "where did it all go wrong?" Unfortunately, the answer can only be one thing: the signs were there long before you recognized the problem.And with that I will retreat into the woodwork, and allow my FFB compatriots to enjoy their football talk...

 

[Gr00vus]

"where did it all go wrong?"

I already told you - Mark Gastineau Also the rest of your comment was

 

[rascal]

Merriman is a first class #####.

If anybody is to get a career ending injury in the NFL, I wouldn't mind it if it happened to be him.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've never figured out how a player doing a dance is ok, but someone MIMICKING the dance is being disrespectful.

Post of the week. The Pats couldn't mock the Chargers with the Merriman dance if the Chargers didn't let or encourage him do it to everyone else.If I had my druthers, NFL players would be suspended for doing any kind of dance, ever, because:1. It shows a complete lack of class and sportsmanship.2. It is a violation of the laws of aesthetics, and a blow to American cultural heritage - or an indication of lack thereof.3. It is a true sign of the Apocalypse and the impending end-times.....JMH $.002

Hi alg,Is it really that hard to see? A dance like Merriman's thing is pretty much a dance. It's not much more than a :lookatme: thing. Not much deeper message than that behind it. Not much in your face.When a NY Giant player runs to the Philly sidelines and does the Eagle wing flap thing, that clearly has the message that you're throwing it right into their face. The difference seems obvious to me.I'm not a huge fan (or detractor) of either. But it is definitely a downside of having a "signature" move. If you've ever seen the other team doing the Tomahawk Chop as their team beats Florida State, you know what I mean.Several years ago I sat close to the Georgia section at a UT football game. The Bulldog fans do a bunch of yells where all the fans do the "woof woof woof" thing at the end. The guys all try to do it in a real low voice. They did it over and over. But after Jamal Lewis ran up / down / over their defense for most of the day, they finally stopped. Walking out of the stadium with red and orange pressed shoulder to shoulder, you heard plenty of high pitched "arf arf arf" poodle sounding barks. So for me, it's bottom line part of the game. Don't think you can have a "signature" move and not have it thrown back at you. Even if it's kind of toolish to do so.J

The bad thing for me is just as you say - "look at me!" That is enough.The reason I feel so strongly about it probably has more to do with events outside of football, but as a cultural trend setter - or advertiser - the NFL has few equals. In short, it represents many of the wrong turns in our culture that, in the long run, show a decline in our key values.Of course to apply such (over) thinking to the discussion at hand seems a bit overkill, but I can't help myself. People will continue to ask the question "where did it all go wrong?" Unfortunately, the answer can only be one thing: the signs were there long before you recognized the problem.And with that I will retreat into the woodwork, and allow my FFB compatriots to enjoy their football talk...

Hi alg,I hear you. But I think the league is in a really tough position. Many feel that they already are too restrictive with the rules on celebrating. But many are like you in thinking they should be even more strict. Tough balancing act for them.J

 

[Gr00vus]

I hope that clarifies my position in this area.

Thanks. I'm just saying be prepared to be disappointed in the future as I'll continue to have threads very much like this one. Although most will be about other teams which may or may not make a difference.J

My question is - why not just post the comments themselves and speak to them directly? Why did you drag the Pats into it? There's enough there just in what he said to have an "interesting discussion" without stirring up the Pats related hornets nest.

 

[UCLAGIE]

I hope that clarifies my position in this area.

Thanks. I'm just saying be prepared to be disappointed in the future as I'll continue to have threads very much like this one. Although most will be about other teams which may or may not make a difference.J

My question is - why not just post the comments themselves and speak to them directly? Why did you drag the Pats into it? There's enough there just in what he said to have an "interesting discussion" without stirring up the Pats related hornets nest.

Dont forget this gem from the other thread

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

LOL Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr down

 

[DanFouts]

Please.....enough harassment of Charger's fans.....we are still sensitive right now, especially after that game....with the Super Bowl fast approaching, I know we are all playing out the Chargers v Bears matchup in our heads and it makes us a tad irritable right now.....

 

[Joe Bryant]

I hope that clarifies my position in this area.

Thanks. I'm just saying be prepared to be disappointed in the future as I'll continue to have threads very much like this one. Although most will be about other teams which may or may not make a difference.J

My question is - why not just post the comments themselves and speak to them directly? Why did you drag the Pats into it? There's enough there just in what he said to have an "interesting discussion" without stirring up the Pats related hornets nest.

Dont forget this gem from the other thread

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.J

LOL Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr down

Thanks ulcagie,The "reflection of the coach" talk just won't stop. I guess they mean it as a compliment.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I hope that clarifies my position in this area.

Thanks. I'm just saying be prepared to be disappointed in the future as I'll continue to have threads very much like this one. Although most will be about other teams which may or may not make a difference.J

My question is - why not just post the comments themselves and speak to them directly? Why did you drag the Pats into it? There's enough there just in what he said to have an "interesting discussion" without stirring up the Pats related hornets nest.

Because when I read something about Shawne Merriman, the first thing I thought of was the Patriots dance. When I saw the Patriots thing, I was sort of like LT in thinking it was pretty uncool. But reading that and seeing the youtube video where he's encouraging the "Brady Sucks" chant, I started to think less it was uncool on the Patriots part and more on the "he had it coming" part. Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.J

 

[Despyzer]

When I saw the Patriots thing, I was sort of like LT in thinking it was pretty uncool. But reading that and seeing the youtube video where he's encouraging the "Brady Sucks" chant, I started to think less it was uncool on the Patriots part and more on the "he had it coming" part. Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

Even if he did have it coming, does that make the Patriots' dance any less classless?

 

[Gr00vus]

Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

Fair enough. The entire episode in and of itself I found of little interest or worthy of comment. Emotions run high, things happen, but it's just the normal noise that surrounds an NFL playoff game. So I don't really associate it with Merriman every time something related to him comes up.For the comments he made in the segment you quote in the OP I think he said exactly what you'd want to hear from an NFL linebacker - he's not out to injure anybody, but he's going to hit as hard as possible, and if that "announces his presence with authority" (all apologies to Nuke LaLouche) so much the better.

 

[UCLAGIE]

When I saw the Patriots thing, I was sort of like LT in thinking it was pretty uncool. But reading that and seeing the youtube video where he's encouraging the "Brady Sucks" chant, I started to think less it was uncool on the Patriots part and more on the "he had it coming" part. Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

Even if he did have it coming, does that make the Patriots' dance any less classless?

LT was pretty classless not congratulating Caldwell after the game, really classless. Oh wait, LT claims he has class.

Quick head back to your other thread where you compare Merriman to Hitler

 

[DanFouts]

When I saw the Patriots thing, I was sort of like LT in thinking it was pretty uncool. But reading that and seeing the youtube video where he's encouraging the "Brady Sucks" chant, I started to think less it was uncool on the Patriots part and more on the "he had it coming" part. Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

Even if he did have it coming, does that make the Patriots' dance any less classless?

LT was pretty classless not congratulating Caldwell after the game, really classless. Oh wait, LT claims he has class.

Quick head back to your other thread where you compare Merriman to Hitler

 

[Joe Bryant]

When I saw the Patriots thing, I was sort of like LT in thinking it was pretty uncool. But reading that and seeing the youtube video where he's encouraging the "Brady Sucks" chant, I started to think less it was uncool on the Patriots part and more on the "he had it coming" part. Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

Even if he did have it coming, does that make the Patriots' dance any less classless?

Thank you desp. That's an interesting question. And a reason I asked this.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

Fair enough. The entire episode in and of itself I found of little interest or worthy of comment. Emotions run high, things happen, but it's just the normal noise that surrounds an NFL playoff game. So I don't really associate it with Merriman every time something related to him comes up.For the comments he made in the segment you quote in the OP I think he said exactly what you'd want to hear from an NFL linebacker - he's not out to injure anybody, but he's going to hit as hard as possible, and if that "announces his presence with authority" (all apologies to Nuke LaLouche) so much the better.

Cool. I bet plenty think like you there, groovus and that's the kind of discussion I was looking for. J

 

[Despyzer]

Even if he did have it coming, does that make the Patriots' dance any less classless?

LT was pretty classless not congratulating Caldwell after the game, really classless. Oh wait, LT claims he has class.

Which has nothing to do with the question. Why don't you run off and start another pointless Merriman-bashing thread seeing you obviously have nothing to contribute here.

 

[Kit Fisto]

...seeing the youtube video where he's encouraging the "Brady Sucks" chant, I started to think less it was uncool on the Patriots part and more on the "he had it coming" part. Sorry if that's a difficult connection to make but for me it was the first thing I thought of.

J

I'm not getting baited into this argument anymore than I already have, but that is/was my general sentiment as well.

Do I wish Hobbs did what he did? No. Did I think Merriman had it coming? Yes.

 

[johnnybronco]

I might get flamed for asking this, but what is Merriman's dance?

Is it that thing where he points to the sky and it seems like he's getting electrocuted?

 

[Kit Fisto]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

This really is a stupid post. If he is trying to take people out by playing hard hitting football then I have no problem with it whatsoever. I would hope every defensive player on my favorite team was trying to hit and tackle as hard as possible. Priest Holmes isnt on the Patriots and has no ties to the Patriots. Within the quote he says he didnt want to end his career, yet people will find something to critize him about anyway. Merriman isnt a cheap shot artist, he doesnt molest little boys and every team in the league would love to have a player of his caliber on their team. The lights out celebration is nothing more than a marketing gimick to sell himself to the american public. Its not mocking or taunting a fallen QB. He sells T-shirts and hats with the lights out logo on it and gets more airtime and in the future more money for a being a more well known player by doing so.

Calling one of the owners stupid? Have a nice season. As to the bolded part...

Thanks SN. But she's ok there. I threw out a Merriman quote and a quote from his HS coach and asked if that changed anything for folks. It seemed like a pretty straightforward fact and question to me. The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though. J

UCLAGIE is a chick?

 

[Despyzer]

I might get flamed for asking this, but what is Merriman's dance?Is it that thing where he points to the sky and it seems like he's getting electrocuted?

Yeah, that's the one. It's a pretty sad spectacle. It might be every bit as bad as the one where Ray Lewis appears to be going into spastic seizures.

 

[UCLAGIE]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

This really is a stupid post. If he is trying to take people out by playing hard hitting football then I have no problem with it whatsoever. I would hope every defensive player on my favorite team was trying to hit and tackle as hard as possible. Priest Holmes isnt on the Patriots and has no ties to the Patriots. Within the quote he says he didnt want to end his career, yet people will find something to critize him about anyway. Merriman isnt a cheap shot artist, he doesnt molest little boys and every team in the league would love to have a player of his caliber on their team. The lights out celebration is nothing more than a marketing gimick to sell himself to the american public. Its not mocking or taunting a fallen QB. He sells T-shirts and hats with the lights out logo on it and gets more airtime and in the future more money for a being a more well known player by doing so.

Calling one of the owners stupid? Have a nice season. As to the bolded part...

Thanks SN. But she's ok there. I threw out a Merriman quote and a quote from his HS coach and asked if that changed anything for folks. It seemed like a pretty straightforward fact and question to me. The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though. J

UCLAGIE is a chick?

No, I think he is just upset because I told him his post was stupid and instead of debating the substance of my post he called me a she instead. Good one Joe! I look to more of your insight such as how both teams in the Super Bowl are filled with just good guys, oblivious to the fact that Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr are pretty high up there on the scumbag level.

 

[Joe Bryant]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

This really is a stupid post. If he is trying to take people out by playing hard hitting football then I have no problem with it whatsoever. I would hope every defensive player on my favorite team was trying to hit and tackle as hard as possible. Priest Holmes isnt on the Patriots and has no ties to the Patriots. Within the quote he says he didnt want to end his career, yet people will find something to critize him about anyway. Merriman isnt a cheap shot artist, he doesnt molest little boys and every team in the league would love to have a player of his caliber on their team. The lights out celebration is nothing more than a marketing gimick to sell himself to the american public. Its not mocking or taunting a fallen QB. He sells T-shirts and hats with the lights out logo on it and gets more airtime and in the future more money for a being a more well known player by doing so.

Calling one of the owners stupid? Have a nice season. As to the bolded part...

Thanks SN. But she's ok there. I threw out a Merriman quote and a quote from his HS coach and asked if that changed anything for folks. It seemed like a pretty straightforward fact and question to me. The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though. J

UCLAGIE is a chick?

No, I think he is just upset because I told him his post was stupid and instead of debating the substance of my post he called me a she instead. Good one Joe! I look to more of your insight such as how both teams in the Super Bowl are filled with just good guys, oblivious to the fact that Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr are pretty high up there on the scumbag level.

What are you talking about? Good one? I typod an s. Sorry. What are you talking about with "insights" on the team being good guys? Link?

J

 

[DropKick]

I've never figured out how a player doing a dance is ok, but someone MIMICKING the dance is being disrespectful.

You're missing the big picture. It's not what anyone does. It's who they play for! People debate these things with such homerism and hatred that their perspective is completely warped. Witness Raider fans dissing Brady and company at any opportunity, crying "tuck rule, tuck rule". To bring rational logic to the table is well.. irrational.

 

[UCLAGIE]

From this month's GQ article on Merriman:

"People in the NFL don't understand what's going on in that man's head," says Merriman's high school coach J.C. Pinkney. "If they did, the wouldn't play with him. He's looking to put people out for real. It's not a joke."

"You never want to end another player's career," Merriman says of his hit on Priest Holmes. "But it's a violent game." And then he smiles wickedly: "What can I say? Lights out."

This make you feel any different about the Patriots "disrespecting" Merriman with the dance at midfield?J

This really is a stupid post. If he is trying to take people out by playing hard hitting football then I have no problem with it whatsoever. I would hope every defensive player on my favorite team was trying to hit and tackle as hard as possible. Priest Holmes isnt on the Patriots and has no ties to the Patriots. Within the quote he says he didnt want to end his career, yet people will find something to critize him about anyway. Merriman isnt a cheap shot artist, he doesnt molest little boys and every team in the league would love to have a player of his caliber on their team. The lights out celebration is nothing more than a marketing gimick to sell himself to the american public. Its not mocking or taunting a fallen QB. He sells T-shirts and hats with the lights out logo on it and gets more airtime and in the future more money for a being a more well known player by doing so.

Calling one of the owners stupid? Have a nice season. As to the bolded part...

Thanks SN. But she's ok there. I threw out a Merriman quote and a quote from his HS coach and asked if that changed anything for folks. It seemed like a pretty straightforward fact and question to me. The reaction from some Chargers supporters has been pretty interesting though. J

UCLAGIE is a chick?

No, I think he is just upset because I told him his post was stupid and instead of debating the substance of my post he called me a she instead. Good one Joe! I look to more of your insight such as how both teams in the Super Bowl are filled with just good guys, oblivious to the fact that Tank Johnson and Ricky Manning Jr are pretty high up there on the scumbag level.

What are you talking about? Good one? I typod an s. Sorry. What are you talking about with "insights" on the team being good guys? Link?

J

The s is nowhere near the h on the keyboard. You don't have to lie about it.

On the other side of the coin, all I'm hearing over and over from IND and CHI analysts is how the teams are a reflection of their head coaches and how both teams are made up of good guys, don't get arrested etc. They're not coming right out and saying it, but it's pretty clear they're saying "we're not the Bengals or Chargers". Interesting.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

They're isn't very close to their on the keyboard but that doesn't keep me from typoing it. Sorry.

And at my relaying what ESPN is saying as "insight". Too funny.

J

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

UCLAGIE, it was pretty obviously an honest mistake, IMO. I believe Serenity Now is a she and her post was adjacent to yours in this thread, so maybe that was the mix-up. (No offense to Serenity Now if I'm wrong about that.) Or maybe it was a simple typo. But calling you a "she" on purpose as an insult isn't Joe's style. I'm very confident that I'm right about that.

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one).

Joe, are you a fan of every team in the NFL? I'd be interested in hearing about the teams you don't like and the reasons why......might be a good idea for a new thread.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one).

Joe, are you a fan of every team in the NFL? I'd be interested in hearing about the teams you don't like and the reasons why......might be a good idea for a new thread.

Hi Aussie.Let's just say I like some teams more than others. But which teams I like isn't any more important than the teams you like. You a Cowboy fan? Or that just a screen name?

J

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one).

Joe, are you a fan of every team in the NFL? I'd be interested in hearing about the teams you don't like and the reasons why......might be a good idea for a new thread.

Hi Aussie.Let's just say I like some teams more than others. But which teams I like isn't any more important than the teams you like. You a Cowboy fan? Or that just a screen name?

J

Yes, I'm a fan of the Cowboys, but I wish I'd been a bit more creative with my username.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one).

Joe, are you a fan of every team in the NFL? I'd be interested in hearing about the teams you don't like and the reasons why......might be a good idea for a new thread.

Hi Aussie.Let's just say I like some teams more than others. But which teams I like isn't any more important than the teams you like. You a Cowboy fan? Or that just a screen name?

J

Yes, I'm a fan of the Cowboys, but I wish I'd been a bit more creative with my username.

That's cool. Are you in Austrialia? Do you get to see them on TV any there?J

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one).

Joe, are you a fan of every team in the NFL? I'd be interested in hearing about the teams you don't like and the reasons why......might be a good idea for a new thread.

Hi Aussie.Let's just say I like some teams more than others. But which teams I like isn't any more important than the teams you like. You a Cowboy fan? Or that just a screen name?

J

Yes, I'm a fan of the Cowboys, but I wish I'd been a bit more creative with my username.

That's cool. Are you in Austrialia? Do you get to see them on TV any there?J

Yeah, I'm an Aussie. We usually get four live games per week on Cable. We get the early and late game on Fox Sports and then we get the Sunday and Monday night games on ESPN. We have also been getting the NFL Network games on ESPN down here as well. It's a big improvement over the 2 hour highlights package we used to get in the 80's/90's.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I honestly was surprised at the defensiveness by some Charger fans (of which I'm one).

Joe, are you a fan of every team in the NFL? I'd be interested in hearing about the teams you don't like and the reasons why......might be a good idea for a new thread.

Hi Aussie.Let's just say I like some teams more than others. But which teams I like isn't any more important than the teams you like. You a Cowboy fan? Or that just a screen name?

J

Yes, I'm a fan of the Cowboys, but I wish I'd been a bit more creative with my username.

That's cool. Are you in Austrialia? Do you get to see them on TV any there?J

Yeah, I'm an Aussie. We usually get four live games per week on Cable. We get the early and late game on Fox Sports and then we get the Sunday and Monday night games on ESPN. We have also been getting the NFL Network games on ESPN down here as well. It's a big improvement over the 2 hour highlights package we used to get in the 80's/90's.

That's cool. J

 

[phthalatemagic]

I think the Patriots' class is independent of Merriman's class. If I am wrong, please explain that to me.

 

[56]

I stopped liking Merriman when he tested positive for horse testosterone.

I began to dislike him when he lied about it.

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

I laughed at him when he showed up for a playoff game with 'Lights Out" shaved into his hair, and was outplayed by every other linebacker on the field.

I soured completely on him when the video of him surfaced acting like a jerk at some lame pep rally.

After his latest comments on Priest, I just hope he goes away. With some luck, he'll prove to be a fraud without the roids and fades away.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

 

[56]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

I do? With Merriman seemingly making a fool out of himself weekly, I do find it tough to keep all of his antics straight, so I guess it is possible.I seem to recall that Taylor was guilty of simply answering a question that was asked of him regarding Merriman getting caught cheating, and if cheaters deserved to be eligible for any awards. He gave an honest, logical answer, yet Merriman and various SD media outlets were crying foul about Taylor having an agenda.