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Sherman is a tool (1 Viewer)

NFL threatened a possible Super Bowl suspension too over Lynch's shoes but BB and NE won't face any suspension for the SB even though ignorance isn't an excuse in Goodell's book.
So BB and Brady should be suspended for the super bowl, even though there is zero evidence whatsoever either of the knew or did anything.

Makes sense :shrug:
Ignorance isn't an excuse according to Goodell. But it's NE so it's different.
Again, WHAT should the penalty be, and why?? And what would you be basing that penalty on??

It will be a TEAM penalty, but that will only happen once they know for sure (if that is even possible) what happened.

Ya don't just go and suspend the coach and the QB cause you THINK something happened. Sounds like the damn Witch Trials.
You probably responded before my last edit but no blame on Brady at this point, BB is a different story though. I'm just saying that actually cheating is worse than wearing gold shoes and if they're willing to suspend over shoes why wouldn't they suspend actual cheating? Again ignorance isn't an excuse per Goodell.

 
Goodell levies punishments based on public perception and media outcry more than anything else....so Pats fans better hope this cycles out quickly, because if it hangs around through the SB and into the offseason, I bet he docks them draft picks.

 
You probably responded before my last edit but no blame on Brady at this point, BB is a different story though. I'm just saying that actually cheating is worse than wearing gold shoes and if they're willing to suspend over shoes why wouldn't they suspend actual cheating? Again ignorance isn't an excuse per Goodell.
Agree ignorance isn't an excuse, but why is BB the target of the punishment? The TEAM will be the target of the punishment.

"Ignorance isnt an excuse" does not automatically mean you suspend the coach. It means you punish the team, which will happen.

With Lynch, had he kept the shoes on and was suspended he would have deserved it for being a giant moron, deserving of a suspension. Wearing gold shoes isnt a big deal, but when they tell you you are suspended if you do, and you do it, you deserve to be suspended.

 
Goodell levies punishments based on public perception and media outcry more than anything else....so Pats fans better hope this cycles out quickly, because if it hangs around through the SB and into the offseason, I bet he docks them draft picks.
I guarantee you he docks them picks. I hope my sportsbook puts a line on it :moneybag:

 
NFL threatened a possible Super Bowl suspension too over Lynch's shoes but BB and NE won't face any suspension for the SB even though ignorance isn't an excuse in Goodell's book.
So BB and Brady should be suspended for the super bowl, even though there is zero evidence whatsoever either of the knew or did anything.

Makes sense :shrug:
Ignorance isn't an excuse according to Goodell. But it's NE so it's different.
Again, WHAT should the penalty be, and why?? And what would you be basing that penalty on??

It will be a TEAM penalty, but that will only happen once they know for sure (if that is even possible) what happened.

Ya don't just go and suspend the coach and the QB cause you THINK something happened. Sounds like the damn Witch Trials.
You probably responded before my last edit but no blame on Brady at this point, BB is a different story though. I'm just saying that actually cheating is worse than wearing gold shoes and if they're willing to suspend over shoes why wouldn't they suspend actual cheating? Again ignorance isn't an excuse per Goodell.
Is it Bountygate you keep referencing? That literally couldn't have happened without the knowledge of members of the coaching staff. You can't prove anything about who deflated balls and who knew.

Huge difference.

If they could prove who specifically was involved, individual punishment would be warranted and possible. But how could they prove that? They can prove Lynch wore golden cleats, and punish him for it. Cut and dry, no matter how dumb it is.

Now, the Pats might be punished anyways (as an organization, not individual suspensions) if this story doesn't go away. Goodell cares about public perception more than anything else.

 
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Is it Bountygate you keep referencing? That literally couldn't have happened without the knowledge of members of the coaching staff.You can't prove anything about who deflated balls and who knew.

Huge difference.

If they could prove it who specifically was involved, individual punishment would be warranted and possible. But how could they prove that? They might be punished anyways (as an organization, not individual suspensions) if this story doesn't go away. Goodell cares about public perception more than anything else.
Right. Individual punishments make zero sense without an individual to punish.

 
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You probably responded before my last edit but no blame on Brady at this point, BB is a different story though. I'm just saying that actually cheating is worse than wearing gold shoes and if they're willing to suspend over shoes why wouldn't they suspend actual cheating? Again ignorance isn't an excuse per Goodell.
Agree ignorance isn't an excuse, but why is BB the target of the punishment? The TEAM will be the target of the punishment.

"Ignorance isnt an excuse" does not automatically mean you suspend the coach. It means you punish the team, which will happen.

With Lynch, had he kept the shoes on and was suspended he would have deserved it for being a giant moron, deserving of a suspension. Wearing gold shoes isnt a big deal, but when they tell you you are suspended if you do, and you do it, you deserve to be suspended.
Coach runs the show that's why it's on BB. There is no way there was a rogue equipment boy deflating balls. Can you prove who deflated the balls? Probably not, but it always goes back to the coach. The organization will definitely be punished but it happened on BB's watch. We're obviously not going to agree on this though I do agree Lynch would have to be the biggest moron on earth to wear the shoes but a suspension over shoes and no suspension over actual cheating just doesn't make sense to me.

 
Coach runs the show that's why it's on BB. There is no way there was a rogue equipment boy deflating balls. Can you prove who deflated the balls? Probably not, but it always goes back to the coach. The organization will definitely be punished but it happened on BB's watch. We're obviously not going to agree on this though I do agree Lynch would have to be the biggest moron on earth to wear the shoes but a suspension over shoes and no suspension over actual cheating just doesn't make sense to me.
Neither does suspending someone who you have no proof cheated. Hence a TEAM punishment. We know it happened, but we have no idea WHO. Hence, again, TEAM punishment.

Suspending Lynch would have made perfect sense had he not complied. They laid out a punishment right to his face, said if you do this you are out. Very clear. Makes perfect sense. Makes as much sense as any punishment ever. People go to jail over dumber stuff because they don't comply with very simple and easy things they need to do. As you said, ignorance isn't an excuse. They would not have suspended him for the shoes, they would have suspended him for not following a very simple "request".

Suspending BB for the Super Bowl, frankly, would be idiotic barring proof he did something, or gave the OK for it to happen. When a player uses roids do they suspend the coach? That is cheating right?

And regarding Lynch, had he pulled out the shoes and wore them for the game without anyone knowing about it before kickoff, he would have likely gotten fined, but zero chance of a suspension.

 
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Coach runs the show that's why it's on BB. There is no way there was a rogue equipment boy deflating balls. Can you prove who deflated the balls? Probably not, but it always goes back to the coach. The organization will definitely be punished but it happened on BB's watch. We're obviously not going to agree on this though I do agree Lynch would have to be the biggest moron on earth to wear the shoes but a suspension over shoes and no suspension over actual cheating just doesn't make sense to me.
Neither does suspending someone who you have no proof cheated. Hence a TEAM punishment. We know it happened, but we have no idea WHO. Hence, again, TEAM punishment.

Suspending Lynch would have made perfect sense had he not complied. They laid out a punishment right to his face, said if you do this you are out. Very clear. Makes perfect sense. Makes as much sense as any punishment ever. People go to jail over dumber stuff because they don't comply with very simple and easy things they need to do. As you said, ignorance isn't an excuse. They would not have suspended him for the shoes, they would have suspended him for not following a very simple "request".

Suspending BB for the Super Bowl, frankly, would be idiotic barring proof he did something, or gave the OK for it to happen. When a player uses roids do they suspend the coach? That is cheating right?

And regarding Lynch, had he pulled out the shoes and wore them for the game without anyone knowing about it before kickoff, he would have likely gotten fined, but zero chance of a suspension.
There are two ways you can get punitive: immediate and future. For immediate actions (and because MIT is trying to use science to explain why half the balls suddenly became deflated) I would say that for every ball that does not conform to a statistical variance in comparison to a control ball you award the opposing team 7 points. There are actually provisions in the rulebook for awarding points if there is an action deemed unsportsmanlike, so perhaps this is where it is applied.

For future actions I think you need to look at the coach's and the franchise's history and then force very detrimental pain on that franchise for repeat offenders. The goals should be simple: for a repeat offender coach you suspend the coach and fine the franchise on an escalating scale (similar to how players can be in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd stage of drug policy) so you need to make a risk assessment along with a business decision on whether you hire that individual. It would eventually kick the coach out of the league. For a repeat offender owner/franchise you develop an escalating system that eventually forces the sale of the business.

Wait. How did we get talking about this in a Sherman thread again?

That might seem harsh but it certainly will get the right results and nobody would risk something "small" like deflated balls to earn a strike ever again.

 
Coach runs the show that's why it's on BB. There is no way there was a rogue equipment boy deflating balls. Can you prove who deflated the balls? Probably not, but it always goes back to the coach. The organization will definitely be punished but it happened on BB's watch. We're obviously not going to agree on this though I do agree Lynch would have to be the biggest moron on earth to wear the shoes but a suspension over shoes and no suspension over actual cheating just doesn't make sense to me.
Neither does suspending someone who you have no proof cheated. Hence a TEAM punishment. We know it happened, but we have no idea WHO. Hence, again, TEAM punishment.

Suspending Lynch would have made perfect sense had he not complied. They laid out a punishment right to his face, said if you do this you are out. Very clear. Makes perfect sense. Makes as much sense as any punishment ever. People go to jail over dumber stuff because they don't comply with very simple and easy things they need to do. As you said, ignorance isn't an excuse. They would not have suspended him for the shoes, they would have suspended him for not following a very simple "request".

Suspending BB for the Super Bowl, frankly, would be idiotic barring proof he did something, or gave the OK for it to happen. When a player uses roids do they suspend the coach? That is cheating right?

And regarding Lynch, had he pulled out the shoes and wore them for the game without anyone knowing about it before kickoff, he would have likely gotten fined, but zero chance of a suspension.
There are two ways you can get punitive: immediate and future. For immediate actions (and because MIT is trying to use science to explain why half the balls suddenly became deflated) I would say that for every ball that does not conform to a statistical variance in comparison to a control ball you award the opposing team 7 points. There are actually provisions in the rulebook for awarding points if there is an action deemed unsportsmanlike, so perhaps this is where it is applied.

For future actions I think you need to look at the coach's and the franchise's history and then force very detrimental pain on that franchise for repeat offenders. The goals should be simple: for a repeat offender coach you suspend the coach and fine the franchise on an escalating scale (similar to how players can be in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd stage of drug policy) so you need to make a risk assessment along with a business decision on whether you hire that individual. It would eventually kick the coach out of the league. For a repeat offender owner/franchise you develop an escalating system that eventually forces the sale of the business.

Wait. How did we get talking about this in a Sherman thread again?

That might seem harsh but it certainly will get the right results and nobody would risk something "small" like deflated balls to earn a strike ever again.
This.

I love how MIT got sucked into this circus. We're talking about this in the Sherman thread and they are having their own say because, in our heart of hearts, we all know Belichick had his hand in this.

 
Truth is Sherman probably is the best CB in the NFL right now. The only reason I say "probably" is because I'm clinging to hope that some statistic or measurement will show someone else is better. Why do I hope for such a metric? Because Sherman is a grade "A" d-bag. And why is he a grade "A" d-bag? Because in interviews like the one tonight he says things like - people can't judge me from what they see me say on TV. Guess what d-bag, I sure as hell can. You're words weren't misconstrued or taken out out context. You choose to get in front of cameras you know are being broadcast to millions of people and make an ### out of yourself. You may do wonderfully charitable things off camera, but so do other famous athletes who aren't d-bags. I get doses of other famous athletes who I don't know off the field but the difference between them and you is that they don't say things like...

"You suck. You so weak. You're a waste of my time." — to Joe Webb, during a game.

"What you gonna do boy?" — to Trent Williams, before getting slapped in the face.

"U MAD BRO?" — Sherman to Tom Brady after beating him in 2012.

"When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me." — Sherman after the NFC title game.

"Ur name will be irrelevant once u step back on the field bruh. Get ya picks up!" — to Darrelle Revis.

I'm sure similar things have been said by other players who are universally liked. The difference is they weren't attention whores who actually were so full of themselves that they thought saying these things for the world to hear would be received positively.

The reason I question his true intelligence is because if he would just shut up he no doubt would be overwhelmingly considered the best at his position. Instead people look for every excuse and reason to debate that someone else is better.
:goodposting:

Can't stand him and I agree he is the biggest dbag in the league; can't stand lynch and his disgusting crotch grab routine either.

 
in our heart of hearts, we all know Belichick had his hand in this.
I don't know this in my heart.
Yeah, but you're heartless. ;) Belichick is more hands on than any coach in the league. Brady is a goat (not the GOAT, but damn close). This has been said to have been going on for some time...

If Brady doesn't perceive an advantage in having the balls 2 pounds lighter than what he states he believes is optimal, then why continue to do it? What is the perceived advantage? It seems to me, given the consistency of the weights and the consistency of the Patriots hands in the New England winter, someone perceived that advantage. It's just a matter of who.

As for the what, I'm all ears for hearing the competing theories: sauna theory, laser theory, gas or gamma... It could be some ball boy flatulating into a tube. But, honestly, is that what we believe is going on here? The only thing MIT and others are proving by jumping into the fray is that the are human too. And there's some science there as well.

 
Truth is Sherman probably is the best CB in the NFL right now. The only reason I say "probably" is because I'm clinging to hope that some statistic or measurement will show someone else is better. Why do I hope for such a metric? Because Sherman is a grade "A" d-bag. And why is he a grade "A" d-bag? Because in interviews like the one tonight he says things like - people can't judge me from what they see me say on TV. Guess what d-bag, I sure as hell can. You're words weren't misconstrued or taken out out context. You choose to get in front of cameras you know are being broadcast to millions of people and make an ### out of yourself. You may do wonderfully charitable things off camera, but so do other famous athletes who aren't d-bags. I get doses of other famous athletes who I don't know off the field but the difference between them and you is that they don't say things like...

"You suck. You so weak. You're a waste of my time." — to Joe Webb, during a game.

"What you gonna do boy?" — to Trent Williams, before getting slapped in the face.

"U MAD BRO?" — Sherman to Tom Brady after beating him in 2012.

"When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me." — Sherman after the NFC title game.

"Ur name will be irrelevant once u step back on the field bruh. Get ya picks up!" — to Darrelle Revis.

I'm sure similar things have been said by other players who are universally liked. The difference is they weren't attention whores who actually were so full of themselves that they thought saying these things for the world to hear would be received positively.

The reason I question his true intelligence is because if he would just shut up he no doubt would be overwhelmingly considered the best at his position. Instead people look for every excuse and reason to debate that someone else is better.
:goodposting:

Can't stand him and I agree he is the biggest dbag in the league; can't stand lynch and his disgusting crotch grab routine either.
DISGUSTING

 
Truth is Sherman probably is the best CB in the NFL right now. The only reason I say "probably" is because I'm clinging to hope that some statistic or measurement will show someone else is better. Why do I hope for such a metric? Because Sherman is a grade "A" d-bag. And why is he a grade "A" d-bag? Because in interviews like the one tonight he says things like - people can't judge me from what they see me say on TV. Guess what d-bag, I sure as hell can. You're words weren't misconstrued or taken out out context. You choose to get in front of cameras you know are being broadcast to millions of people and make an ### out of yourself. You may do wonderfully charitable things off camera, but so do other famous athletes who aren't d-bags. I get doses of other famous athletes who I don't know off the field but the difference between them and you is that they don't say things like...

"You suck. You so weak. You're a waste of my time." to Joe Webb, during a game."What you gonna do boy?" to Trent Williams, before getting slapped in the face.

"U MAD BRO?" Sherman to Tom Brady after beating him in 2012.

"When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me." Sherman after the NFC title game."Ur name will be irrelevant once u step back on the field bruh. Get ya picks up!" to Darrelle Revis.

I'm sure similar things have been said by other players who are universally liked. The difference is they weren't attention whores who actually were so full of themselves that they thought saying these things for the world to hear would be received positively.

The reason I question his true intelligence is because if he would just shut up he no doubt would be overwhelmingly considered the best at his position. Instead people look for every excuse and reason to debate that someone else is better.
:goodposting: Can't stand him and I agree he is the biggest dbag in the league; can't stand lynch and his disgusting crotch grab routine either.
It doesn't count if the balls are deflated.
 
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Truth is Sherman probably is the best CB in the NFL right now. The only reason I say "probably" is because I'm clinging to hope that some statistic or measurement will show someone else is better. Why do I hope for such a metric? Because Sherman is a grade "A" d-bag. And why is he a grade "A" d-bag? Because in interviews like the one tonight he says things like - people can't judge me from what they see me say on TV. Guess what d-bag, I sure as hell can. You're words weren't misconstrued or taken out out context. You choose to get in front of cameras you know are being broadcast to millions of people and make an ### out of yourself. You may do wonderfully charitable things off camera, but so do other famous athletes who aren't d-bags. I get doses of other famous athletes who I don't know off the field but the difference between them and you is that they don't say things like...

"You suck. You so weak. You're a waste of my time." — to Joe Webb, during a game.

"What you gonna do boy?" — to Trent Williams, before getting slapped in the face.

"U MAD BRO?" — Sherman to Tom Brady after beating him in 2012.

"When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me." — Sherman after the NFC title game.

"Ur name will be irrelevant once u step back on the field bruh. Get ya picks up!" — to Darrelle Revis.

I'm sure similar things have been said by other players who are universally liked. The difference is they weren't attention whores who actually were so full of themselves that they thought saying these things for the world to hear would be received positively.

The reason I question his true intelligence is because if he would just shut up he no doubt would be overwhelmingly considered the best at his position. Instead people look for every excuse and reason to debate that someone else is better.
Yeah...that didn't work for Muhammad Ali did it? Sherman realizes that the best corner backs in the league do not get big endorsement deals. The reason people know who Sherman is outside of us fantasy football geeks is because he runs his mouth, has good quips, and makes ESPN over and over. He is pretty smart if you ask me.
 
KarmaPolice said:
wormburner said:
He says a lot of the right things, and then starts #####ing about the management of the league and stuff like that. Maybe he should be thinking more about his opponents on Sunday in the week leading up to the SB. Hell of a player, but yeah, kind of a tool.
Yup. However he's preparing for his job now just isn't working for him.

 
KarmaPolice said:
wormburner said:
He says a lot of the right things, and then starts #####ing about the management of the league and stuff like that. Maybe he should be thinking more about his opponents on Sunday in the week leading up to the SB. Hell of a player, but yeah, kind of a tool.
Yup. However he's preparing for his job now just isn't working for him.
:lol:

 
Serves him right for showing up Revis like that. On a positive note, was good to see him man up and shake Brady's hand. Maybe this dose of humility and the new bambino will soften him up a bit. He's a great talent and a smart guy. No need to be such a tool anymore.

 
Yeah well at least he's not beating his wife/gdf like the half the 49ers. POS, sure he is.
lol seahawks fans always deflecting

they're all dooshbags
Then they have a lot in common with you don't they?
Ooof. Did Detroit's 9 year old get his password or something? Brutal.

 
This week will be fabulous. Maybe Sherman's kid will give this ball bag some perspective and he'll start showing some class. Calling out Revis like that was a punk move. There's being competitive, fiery, etc. and then there's crap like that.

Whole defense are tools acting like little cry babies and not playing it out with class. Suh would have been embarrassed to be part of that.

This is so tasty. HA

 
Was the TD on Revis his fault? it looks like he was upset after the catch and looked back at another Pats player? Maybe the safety was supposed to pick up the WR.

Revis was lined up on his outside, and pushed back. It looked like the play was designed for the safety or LB to help if he went inside. No CB in the league could of defended that.

 
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Was the TD on Revis his fault? it looks like he was upset after the catch and looked back at another Pats player? Maybe the safety was supposed to pick up the WR.

Revis was lined up on his outside, and pushed back. No CB in the league could of defended that.
He got picked by the ref, think he looked back at him. Technically I would say it was his fault, but not much that could be done there.

 
Great game! I was pretty indifferent about who would win until Sherman called out Revis - hamming it up for the camera basically saying look at me I'm the best not Revis. When a guy makes it all about himself instead of his team during the Super Bowl it seems pretty classless sportsman wise to me. I started rooting for the Pats to win at that point. Karma rewarded Sherman pretty damn quickly.

 
I thought it was interesting that the second time the Hawks went to the well on a pick play, the rookie spotted it and attacked. That's a football player right there.

 
Sherman is a loudmouth but also a very good player, the one that is unbearable I think is Baldwin. Why does he ever open his mouth.

 
Was the TD on Revis his fault? it looks like he was upset after the catch and looked back at another Pats player? Maybe the safety was supposed to pick up the WR.

Revis was lined up on his outside, and pushed back. No CB in the league could of defended that.
He got picked by the ref, think he looked back at him. Technically I would say it was his fault, but not much that could be done there.
It was a great move by Baldwin to use the ref as a pick.

 
It clearly was about Revis getting burned for a TD - he didn't point out any of the other scores. His intent was pretty clearly saying that he is the best CB in the game & wouldn't give up a TD like #24.

 
I'm sorry but Michael Bennett takes the prize as the biggest tool of the Superbowl. Am I crazy or did he go get in Coach Belichick's face right as the game ended, causing Bill take a step back? And his interview afterwards was very classy as well.

 
I'm sorry but Michael Bennett takes the prize as the biggest tool of the Superbowl. Am I crazy or did he go get in Coach Belichick's face right as the game ended, causing Bill take a step back? And his interview afterwards was very classy as well.
I'm guessing he "got into his face" to say good game or congrats.

 

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