Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Panic? I'll be happy if Greene gets his 15 a game. I was just worried about him getting 'doghoused'.Don Quixote said:
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Rylenol
Footballguy
Per Roto
"Coach Rex Ryan revealed that he's still trying to figure out Shonn Greene never touched the ball again after a second-quarter fumble Monday night.
Ryan said he hasn't had a chance to talk to offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer or running back coach Anthony Lynn to find out their reasoning for benching Greene. "Shonn is a huge part of what we do and who we are," Ryan assured, after saying earlier in the day that LaDainian Tomlinson would split carries equally for the foreseeable future"
"Coach Rex Ryan revealed that he's still trying to figure out Shonn Greene never touched the ball again after a second-quarter fumble Monday night.
Ryan said he hasn't had a chance to talk to offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer or running back coach Anthony Lynn to find out their reasoning for benching Greene. "Shonn is a huge part of what we do and who we are," Ryan assured, after saying earlier in the day that LaDainian Tomlinson would split carries equally for the foreseeable future"
Norman Einstein
Footballguy
don't have to worry about woodhead anymore...cut
Wow, are you serious? What type of ##### hopes for injuries on another human being so his fantasy team is better off, lol? That's pretty low.
I've owned LT in my keeper league for six years. The guy has been BRUTAL for the last two. I don't know how to research this (if anyone knows how, please let me know), but I swear he must be the all-time NFL leader in runs of 1 yard OR LESS. However, when he had the wheels he'd break off a 50 yard touchdown to offset it all. That all went away a couple years ago.
This is Greene's team. If it's not b/c he can't hold off LT at this stage of his career, then Greene will be out of the league very, very soon.
This is Greene's team. If it's not b/c he can't hold off LT at this stage of his career, then Greene will be out of the league very, very soon.
jurb26
Footballguy
I'm not a big fan of Greene, never have been. I just think he's been vastly overrated around here from a skill level. With that said, I think the guy is a great RB to pair up for a RBBC team. He's a powerful back who can thrive if used properly. I don't think he will ever be the player many fantasy folks want him to be. That doesn't mean he can't contribute to an NFL team though.
golfguy
Footballguy
i'd say more like mendenhall last season. had early fumbling issues got in the coaches doghouse and then they realized he actually was the better back.Greene could be the new Maroney. Second year player who showed some good stuff as a rookie, then when the high-scoring fantasy vet left town everyone just automatically gifted those points to the new starter the following year.Of course it's Week 1. Sanchez is no Brady. But I gotta get my call in here.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Rumor from Jet land is that the team is laying the offensive egg at the feet of Schott and Rex is not happy...it even seemed that Schotty was the one who benched Greene...I think they regroup and pound the ball this week and give the kid a fair chance. If he gets another 5 carries to LTs 15 then I would start the panic.....right now it was a one game blip but LT will get more carries than I thought originally.
Todem
Footballguy
That is the point a lot of us were trying to make in July. Not to overlook this aspect in making your final evaluation of where (and if) you pull the trigger on Greene in your draft. His ADP was insane based on this. For me he was already a guy I did not want on my team but LT sealed the deal for me. I would have been more inclined to draft Greene if Jones had been retained. Because he looked done last year (and had no significant leg injury to deal with he just wore down). Where as LT was playing on a bad wheel in 2009 since week one.
Anyway. I will eat all my crow if Greene blows up.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I have thrown out some RB/WR for RB/WR trade offers that include me getting Greene, but I would still hesitate to start him until he gets better match-ups.
After Grant owners, people who took Greene as an RB1 may be good potential panic targets. (Or not - people in this thread seem pretty locked in w/ him!)
After Grant owners, people who took Greene as an RB1 may be good potential panic targets. (Or not - people in this thread seem pretty locked in w/ him!)
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I tend to agree but the Jets will run the crap out of the ball and need Greene - he will get his at the end of the day...will it be enough to justify where he went in fantasy drafts...probably not. Still a solid #2 RB IMO.
My biggest concern with Greene is not that he won't end up getting 15ish carries per game. It's that his consistent fumbling issues are going to, if they already haven't, remove him from consideration down inside the red zone and especially at the goalline. Him being the hammer at the 1 yard line are what I've been counting on, but I'd put odds today of goalline duty at 75/25 in favor of LT.
With limited receiving opportunities, Greene will fall far short of expectations if he doesn't approach double digit TD's.
With limited receiving opportunities, Greene will fall far short of expectations if he doesn't approach double digit TD's.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
OT: Did Buddy Ryan and Marty Schott ever work together?
gary mexico
Footballguy
Gonna give shonn one more week. Not really because im a believer, i just dont have any other options. Its either him or spiller 
Todem
Footballguy
If it is PPR go with Spiller.Gonna give shonn one more week. Not really because im a believer, i just dont have any other options. Its either him or spiller
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Panic in the streets.
Just picked up Greene for Barber, my 3rd RB.
Don't normally post something like that but CBS seems to be helping with the panic button.
Just picked up Greene for Barber, my 3rd RB.
Don't normally post something like that but CBS seems to be helping with the panic button.
jurb26
Footballguy
It's going to be hard to run the crap out of the ball this week. NE will put up points early and often IMO. Balt missed several chances last week that the NE offense will capitalize on.
Young 8
Footballguy
Shonn Greene: "If you fumble, you're not getting back in the game." »
By Manish Mehta
Shonn Greene revealed an interesting piece of information two days after his forgettable season-opening performance. The supposed focal point of the Jets ground-and-pound attack said that the unspoken rule is that if you fumble, you’re out of the game until further notice.
Greene, of course, was yanked from the Monday night loss against the Ravens after coughing it up with 4:17 left in the second quarter.
“I was just waiting on when they said I could go back in,” Greene said. “I wasn’t expecting to get back in. In the preseason, that was formula: If you fumble, you’re not getting back in the game.”
Greene said that the coaches didn’t approach him and explain their decision during the game. So, he waited. And waited. And waited.
Consider the breakdown: After fumbling, Greene didn’t play on the next 16 offensive snaps (plus one Mark Sanchez kneel down before halftime). In those 16 plays, LaDainian Tomlinson touched the ball 50 percent of the time. The veteran had 8 touches for 40 yards, including seven carries for 33 yards.
“You can’t fumble at key times like that,” said Greene, who fumbled out of bounds earlier in the game after a reception. “I wasn’t expecting an explanation.”
Greene didn’t play the entire third quarter. He reentered the game with less than five minutes to go in the game and dropped a pass in the flat. Then, he was gone for the final eight offensive snaps of the game. In all, Greene, who had 5 carries for 18 yards, didn’t play in 25 of the final 26 offensive snaps.
“I take that loss on my shoulders,” Greene said. “That was a key moment in the game. It turned into a TD for Baltimore…. I don’t think I would have put myself back in after that performance.”
Still, it was curious that the coaches wouldn’t re-insert Greene in a tight game. Rex Ryan said that he didn't specifically talk to offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer about why Greene only played one snap in the second half, insisting that the team will continue to rotate Greene and Tomlinson.
"I'm tired of talking about it," Ryan said. "We did average 5.5 a carry."
Greene and Tomlinson combined for 16 carries for 80 yards (5.0 ypc) out of their traditional running alignment. (Mark Sanchez gained 5 yards after broken pass plays, Braylon Edwards gained 4 yards on an end-around and Brad Smith picked up 27 yards on a pair of gadget plays).
Although the Ravens turned Greene's second-quarter fumble into a touchdown, there was plenty of blame to go around on the Ravens’ scoring drive. Rex Ryan’s team committed three penalties that helped Baltimore score the lone touchdown of the game.
Greene, of course, struggled holding on to the ball early last season. He had three lost fumbles in his first 71 carries as a rookie. But he didn't cough it up once in 54 postseason carries. Greene also didn't fumble this preseason.
Greene insisted that he hasn’t lost confidence after the season opener, but what kind of message does it send to the guy touted as the feature back all offseason when he’s pulled in the second quarter of the first game of the season?
“I don’t think nobody wants to sit,” Greene said. “That’s what the coaches had planned. I have no problem with that. I fumbled. And I shouldn’t have fumbled."
A few more nuggets from Jets universe today:
Contrary to popular belief, the Jets weren't eliminated from the playoffs after their Week 1 loss to the Ravens. There wasn't a sense of panic heading into this weekend's showdown with the Patriots, but Brandon Moore did admit, "This is a must win."
Ryan reiterated that he was most disappointed in the fouls committed on both sides of the ball and challenged his team to get more film work in during the week before the Patriots come to town. Like last year, the coach exhorted New York’s fans to further impress Tom Brady with their devotion and decibel levels.
“Our fans were into it beyond belief,” Ryan said of Monday night’s crowd.
Ryan admitted that the team re-signed speedster David Clowney because “at the end of the day we needed another receiver up.”
Ryan praised Randy Moss yet again, calling the veteran “probably the best vertical wide receiver in the game.”
Ryan on Bill Belichick: “I think [belichick] respects me -- the commitment I have to football.”
Ryan wasn't thrilled with running the ball only 21 times in the season opener. “When we’re running the ball only 21 times in a game … that’s not who
we are,” Ryan said.
By Manish Mehta
Shonn Greene revealed an interesting piece of information two days after his forgettable season-opening performance. The supposed focal point of the Jets ground-and-pound attack said that the unspoken rule is that if you fumble, you’re out of the game until further notice.
Greene, of course, was yanked from the Monday night loss against the Ravens after coughing it up with 4:17 left in the second quarter.
“I was just waiting on when they said I could go back in,” Greene said. “I wasn’t expecting to get back in. In the preseason, that was formula: If you fumble, you’re not getting back in the game.”
Greene said that the coaches didn’t approach him and explain their decision during the game. So, he waited. And waited. And waited.
Consider the breakdown: After fumbling, Greene didn’t play on the next 16 offensive snaps (plus one Mark Sanchez kneel down before halftime). In those 16 plays, LaDainian Tomlinson touched the ball 50 percent of the time. The veteran had 8 touches for 40 yards, including seven carries for 33 yards.
“You can’t fumble at key times like that,” said Greene, who fumbled out of bounds earlier in the game after a reception. “I wasn’t expecting an explanation.”
Greene didn’t play the entire third quarter. He reentered the game with less than five minutes to go in the game and dropped a pass in the flat. Then, he was gone for the final eight offensive snaps of the game. In all, Greene, who had 5 carries for 18 yards, didn’t play in 25 of the final 26 offensive snaps.
“I take that loss on my shoulders,” Greene said. “That was a key moment in the game. It turned into a TD for Baltimore…. I don’t think I would have put myself back in after that performance.”
Still, it was curious that the coaches wouldn’t re-insert Greene in a tight game. Rex Ryan said that he didn't specifically talk to offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer about why Greene only played one snap in the second half, insisting that the team will continue to rotate Greene and Tomlinson.
"I'm tired of talking about it," Ryan said. "We did average 5.5 a carry."
Greene and Tomlinson combined for 16 carries for 80 yards (5.0 ypc) out of their traditional running alignment. (Mark Sanchez gained 5 yards after broken pass plays, Braylon Edwards gained 4 yards on an end-around and Brad Smith picked up 27 yards on a pair of gadget plays).
Although the Ravens turned Greene's second-quarter fumble into a touchdown, there was plenty of blame to go around on the Ravens’ scoring drive. Rex Ryan’s team committed three penalties that helped Baltimore score the lone touchdown of the game.
Greene, of course, struggled holding on to the ball early last season. He had three lost fumbles in his first 71 carries as a rookie. But he didn't cough it up once in 54 postseason carries. Greene also didn't fumble this preseason.
Greene insisted that he hasn’t lost confidence after the season opener, but what kind of message does it send to the guy touted as the feature back all offseason when he’s pulled in the second quarter of the first game of the season?
“I don’t think nobody wants to sit,” Greene said. “That’s what the coaches had planned. I have no problem with that. I fumbled. And I shouldn’t have fumbled."
A few more nuggets from Jets universe today:
Contrary to popular belief, the Jets weren't eliminated from the playoffs after their Week 1 loss to the Ravens. There wasn't a sense of panic heading into this weekend's showdown with the Patriots, but Brandon Moore did admit, "This is a must win."
Ryan reiterated that he was most disappointed in the fouls committed on both sides of the ball and challenged his team to get more film work in during the week before the Patriots come to town. Like last year, the coach exhorted New York’s fans to further impress Tom Brady with their devotion and decibel levels.
“Our fans were into it beyond belief,” Ryan said of Monday night’s crowd.
Ryan admitted that the team re-signed speedster David Clowney because “at the end of the day we needed another receiver up.”
Ryan praised Randy Moss yet again, calling the veteran “probably the best vertical wide receiver in the game.”
Ryan on Bill Belichick: “I think [belichick] respects me -- the commitment I have to football.”
Ryan wasn't thrilled with running the ball only 21 times in the season opener. “When we’re running the ball only 21 times in a game … that’s not who
we are,” Ryan said.
golfguy
Footballguy
because you shouldn't let your young ballcarrier sit there like that. he should have gotten another carry as soon as possible. not wait another week to carry the ball. one guy that i would follow the lead on for developing RBs is norv turner, and that has seem to be his MO. he even did later on monday night with ryan mathews when he fumbled. next position first play was a run by mathews.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Based on the footage of Hard Knocks that's what the RB coach was saying on the sidelines. Ryan very well could have been unaware of this.
Oh my goodness, not another one, lol. YPC is an AVERAGE. LT had a YPC of 62/11 which is 5.64 yards per carry AVERAGE. The stat becomes useless when you take away 2 of the best carries. It is no longer an average. At least if you randomly selected the carries, but you actually selected 2 of his best (the equivalent of discounting almost 20% of the BEST numbers in an average). Then you expect to compare it to other YPC of other players ---did you also take out 20% of their best carries? Otherwise it is a complete and utter irrational argument. It makes no sense. You couldn't use real statistics to prove your case so you made some up.What's the difference if i dont count his worse 9 carries and claim that he had a record breaking YPC of 20 yards!? If you guys are going to use stats then actually use real ones instead of manufactured ones.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I have heard this before and it makes complete sense.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Anyone have Greene's fumbles numbers at IOWA? ESPN reports wrong fumble stats so I disregard that.
He hasn't been successful holding onto the football in the NFL so far that's for sure.
He hasn't been successful holding onto the football in the NFL so far that's for sure.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I drafted Greene at 4.8 in an early FFPC league because it looked like good value at the time but seriously regret it now. Foster, Nicks, Forte, and P.Thomas all went right after. I thought Forte would make it back around to me in the 5th but he didn't. Ugh. I was never a big fan of this guy coming out of college and it looks like there will be a even split with LT now going forward. Sort of like Jones and Charles in KC, except the old guy might be more talented in the Jets RBBC.
In PPR leagues like the FFPC, I think Greene is a RB 3 or 4 at this point and his situation will not improve unless LT gets injured.
In PPR leagues like the FFPC, I think Greene is a RB 3 or 4 at this point and his situation will not improve unless LT gets injured.
gary mexico
Footballguy
Im thinking Green was embarrassed week1 and will come out firing. With the eye of the tiger!! Wanting to personally reward me this week with fantasy points for having him in my lineup. Thats what I like to think anyway.... 
gary mexico
Footballguy
lol. That is exactly who im starting sunday in my redraft league. Sitting Felix and Spiller. My RB's rock!!!
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Greene owner would not trade me for Best, who he is "not sold on" fwiw. (We were also going to exchange WRs.)
Fair enough, I suppose.
Fair enough, I suppose.
Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
There's no way to take anything positive from this game.
Panic button activated.
Panic button activated.
Really? Nothing positive? Greene has run the ball well with the touches he has gotten.
Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
Greene cannot be found in this game. Tomlinson has looked like he's in his prime. LaDanian has averaged almost 7 ypc.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
gary mexico
Footballguy
I kept seeing green being drafted in rd2 in redraft AND dynasty leagues...that sucks lol
delusional
Footballguy
screwed....thats what we are
Greene and LT owner here. I'm just about ready to stick a fork in Greene. With the way LT is playing, it's really tough to pull him out of the huddle. LT's pass catching ability is adding a wrinkle to the Jets' offense that seems to open everything up. I'd love for Greene to get more touches, but I'm expecting LT's role to increase after this game. He's playing with too much fire and veteran presence to keep him off the field.
Young 8
Footballguy
I hope you're jokingThere's no way LT will play the entire season without some injuries
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Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
Please provide me with a list of players that will get hurt this year.Winning lotto numbers would also be appreciated.
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Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
So now the hope for Greene isn't that he's the superior talent but that LT will get hurt? Or needs to get hurt to regain value?
I'll happily remove the fork if LT goes down, but Greene is not start worthy as long as LT is firing on all cylinders. At this point, he's a poor man's Jon Stewart.
Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
This is nowhere near what people were expecting/hoping.
