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I have Powell and hopes this turns out to be prophetic, but at this point, early camp news stories are just that, early camp news stories. I don't know if Powell is good or not. I am pretty sure that Greene is sub-par. So, I would definitely hang onto Powell and I would pick him up as the Greene handcuff as it sounds like McKnight is more likely to be the complementary back and Powell the replacement starter if it comes to that.
But, then again, someone who actually remembers those early games will tell you that Mangold was out and dinged, then the 2 OG's were dinged and Hunter was learning on the job all the while Brian Schottneheimer tried to turn the offense into Pass 1st and LT was still getting carries.... So, there is more to it than just looking at the numbers.Very
You just hit on something many FF players do. Look at overall rankings but never study week to week production which is vital to putting together your draft board.
Who can I rely on almost every week to give me consistent production?
That is how you put yourself in position to make a run at the league title. Vs banking on big weeks. Steady eddie players coupled with a couple of major studs wins more often than not vs going for broke with lot's of boom or bust picks.
Shonne Greene is a turd. Period.
yep by week13 this turd was sitting on my bench. Bad player with limited upside and virtually worthless in PPR with the lack of pass catching.But, then again, someone who actually remembers those early games will tell you that Mangold was out and dinged, then the 2 OG's were dinged and Hunter was learning on the job all the while Brian Schottneheimer tried to turn the offense into Pass 1st and LT was still getting carries.... So, there is more to it than just looking at the numbers.Very
You just hit on something many FF players do. Look at overall rankings but never study week to week production which is vital to putting together your draft board.
Who can I rely on almost every week to give me consistent production?
That is how you put yourself in position to make a run at the league title. Vs banking on big weeks. Steady eddie players coupled with a couple of major studs wins more often than not vs going for broke with lot's of boom or bust picks.
Shonne Greene is a turd. Period.
Hey, around RB26 or so, I've been sticking up for Shonn Greene - Then again, I've done a few drafts already and haven't pulled the trigger myself....
NEVER have I seen value or Drafted Shonn Greene in his Career for FF.... This year MAYBE - Why? Well, now with no LT and being drafted at RB26+ If I find myself needing a RB2 maybe 3, for the 1st time I see some value...
To me his RB20 finish last year was during a year where the offense completely fell apart and IMO it was mosty Schottenheimer - 60 pass plays VS the Giants???? PUHLEASE... That will not happen with Sparano - Say what you want about the guy but, he is going to feed his RB's we know that much and that did not happen last year.
All relative, He was on your bench.... Meanwhile, I NEVER OWNED HIM and I told people not to draft a 1 dimensional player the past few years as high as he was going.yep by week13 this turd was sitting on my bench. Bad player with limited upside and virtually worthless in PPR with the lack of pass catching. PASSBut, then again, someone who actually remembers those early games will tell you that Mangold was out and dinged, then the 2 OG's were dinged and Hunter was learning on the job all the while Brian Schottneheimer tried to turn the offense into Pass 1st and LT was still getting carries.... So, there is more to it than just looking at the numbers.Very
You just hit on something many FF players do. Look at overall rankings but never study week to week production which is vital to putting together your draft board.
Who can I rely on almost every week to give me consistent production?
That is how you put yourself in position to make a run at the league title. Vs banking on big weeks. Steady eddie players coupled with a couple of major studs wins more often than not vs going for broke with lot's of boom or bust picks.
Shonne Greene is a turd. Period.
Hey, around RB26 or so, I've been sticking up for Shonn Greene - Then again, I've done a few drafts already and haven't pulled the trigger myself....
NEVER have I seen value or Drafted Shonn Greene in his Career for FF.... This year MAYBE - Why? Well, now with no LT and being drafted at RB26+ If I find myself needing a RB2 maybe 3, for the 1st time I see some value...
To me his RB20 finish last year was during a year where the offense completely fell apart and IMO it was mosty Schottenheimer - 60 pass plays VS the Giants???? PUHLEASE... That will not happen with Sparano - Say what you want about the guy but, he is going to feed his RB's we know that much and that did not happen last year.
In a deep league, I could see going that route. If I did it though, hopefully it would be because I;m willing to roll any of these guys out there as a RB3/flex option. The value is there in that but, to me, its really hard to play the Jets RB (whomever it si that week) as my main or 2nd RB.
We're talking about your last two picks here; if you're counting on guys like that week to week your team is effed anyway. It's possible that Greene is bad enough to lose enough touches to make one of the two a decent backup RB, maybe even a flex play. If that doesn't seem to be the case by October, no worries, they're the guys you cut for new WW longshots.
I could see Greene having even more value this year than in the past with LT gone, especially in TD heavy leagues. BUT, and it is a big but, how many rushing TDs will Tebow vulture this year? Will Greene be part of the wildcat package with Tebow or will it be one of the other RBs? Those two questions will affect Greene's numbers a lot because he isn't going to run for 1300+ yards and he isn't going to catch a ton of passes. His value is linked to red zone TD chances IMO. But there are some real questions here with Tebow in the mix.
So I still agree with my post, but every time I do a mock on FFC I can never pull the trigger on this guy
You pretty much described his season last year. Sanchez stole 6 rushing TD, Greene didn't have great receiving or TD numbers, and he ranked higher last year than he's getting drafted at this year.
'LarryAllen said:
There are cases where I'd prefer Greene over an upside guy in redraft though. I'm going to try to avoid the risky early RB types this year (Charles, Peterson, Murray, etc) but if I end up with a guy like that safe pedestrian production is what I want out of my next few RB picks. If Geene continues to move up, though I'll be avoiding him period.
I think that Tebow is the goal line back. That's one of the main reasons he's probably on the jets.
Now let's do this for the guy going 4th overall at running back instead of in the mid-20'sWeek 1= 4
This is the strategy I used in a recent draft. Last year I thought Greene offered the worst value of any starting RB in the draft with a third round ADP. I saw him go in round 2 in some FFPC drafts which was absurd, especially in PPR scoring. But this year you can get him in round 6/7 (12 teams) as probably the very last starting RB that is not in a RBBC situation. McGahee, Hillis, D.Brown, and Ingram are your other options being drafted in that range. I won't argue that Greene is head and shoulders above any of those guys, but I think he's the only one of that group that could realistically get 300 touches in a run heavy offense. I got him at RB26 in a recent draft even though he finished last year as RB20 in a timeshare with LT. Last year the Jets also tried to implement a more pass-heavy offence that allowed mediocre Sanchez to finish as QB10 in most scoring formats. If they revert back to a run-heavy offense that features Greene, it seems highly likely that he would finish higher than RB20 even as a plodder. The introduction of Tebow should also help, not hurt, his chances.
Yep. People have gone overboard with this "Greene's just not talented" stuff.While a nice statistic, I assume his Elusiveness Rating has played a role. It's the same stat that Ray Rice rated worse in.
He's gotten touches, but where is the production?
No but people should start rostering Powell en masse.
When healthy this year, Powell has been the third down back. I wouldn't want to start him, but you could do worse and he is definitely a better bet than McKnight.
What are they "asserting?"
That's he always on the injury report? Yes, I'm buying this assertion
agreed on allWhat are they "asserting?"
That he's dressed in 8/10 games? Yes, I'm buying this assertion
That he's the GL and 3rd down RB? No, I'm not buying this assertion; both Powell's TDs came from off the goal-line (5 & 11 yards); he has been the 3rd down RB all year, though
That he is in a strict timeshare on Thursday? Yes, I'm buying this assertion; at best, he will be in a RBBC this week
That you could do worse for a desperation flex play? Yes, I'm buying this assertion
Thank you Sir for your reply. Five of his rushes coming inside the Rams' 20-yard line, and three inside the 10. Ten of his 11 carries came in the second half, where he rotated snaps with Shonn Greene until he left with a concussion in the 4th quarter.'shadyridr said:agreed on all'Bayhawks said:What are they "asserting?"'the spanker said:
That he's dressed in 8/10 games? Yes, I'm buying this assertion
That he's the GL and 3rd down RB? No, I'm not buying this assertion; both Powell's TDs came from off the goal-line (5 & 11 yards); he has been the 3rd down RB all year, though
That he is in a strict timeshare on Thursday? Yes, I'm buying this assertion; at best, he will be in a RBBC this week
That you could do worse for a desperation flex play? Yes, I'm buying this assertion
1) I think Rex will continue to split the load between Greene and Powell, although out of some loyalty to Shonn, he will probably get slightly more carries than Powell.2) Depends on size of league, but you could do worse for a desperation flex the rest of the way. The Jets have the Titans, Chargers and Bills to close up the season, and given how poorly Sanchez has been playing, the Jets won't throw the ball that much unless they are behind and have to.3) Don't rule out Greene coming back if he doesn't have many suitors out there. Better RBs have found the FA market for running backs to be tepid at best. All that said, if Greene gets an offer, I think he walks. Not 100% sure that Powell will be given the reins, but given the other holes on the team, RB may not as high on the priority list as it looked earlier in the year.Bottom line: I didn't think much of Powell earlier in the year, but he's really shown something the last several weeks. He runs hard, can catch the ball, and has some wiggle/ability to run outside the tackles that Greene lacks.
Rex loves to run anyway - throw in they are scared to death of Sanchez throwing the ball unless he has to and you have a lot of value for both Jet RBs down the stretch vs some shaky defenses. That being said in 2013 I think Greene is not back and it will be Powell and a draft pick fighting for the gig. Greene has been a big disapointment after that coming out party in the playoffs a few years ago.
TLEF,I think this is a bit of an overreaction. I get the point about his not being dynamic, but he also is exactly what we thought he was...a chugger. He runs down hill, and from a fantasy perspective, he is what we were hoping for in 2012; a guy who does not get dinged, holds onto the ball, and will likely end the season around RB 18-19 (and we were drafting him that 22-26 range in the preseason). He is going to hit 1k yards, 6-7 TDs (he already would have 7 if he had not knelled at the goal line couple of weeks back). He won't hit my receiving projections, but another couple of TDs will wipe that out.Now, from a real NFL standpoint, I agree, he has not been great or even very good, but the "talented jets o-line"? They are good, but they are not good enough to make a "ham and egger" look good. Also, how are these defenses getting so tired if not for Greene and the ground game? Sanchez running defenses ragged now?
