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Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
Maybe Brignac from TB, Asdrubal from Clev, Peralta, Desmond might be a cheap 15/15. Kind of depends on how much you're punting SS.
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E-Z Glider
Footballguy
SS is the one position I will pay whatever it takes to get Tulo or HanRam. The dropoff after that is pretty severe. If all else fails and I dont land one of them, Ill probably go with Mike Aviles (13 games qualifies him in our league), though I wont be happy about it.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
I'd see about bringing back Rico Petrocelli.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Furcal, Starlin Castro, or Ian Desmond.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think there are bigger problems with 1B and 3B if you don't get a horse than at SS. The only SS inside the top 10 that's possibly worth their sticker price is Reyes and obviously he comes with a truck load of risk. If I get a 1B and 3B in the first two rounds and Reyes is there in the 3rd I'll think about it, otherwise I'm waiting. My current teams have 1) Desmond and Brignac and 2) Desmond, post keeper auction starts next week. I expect some combo of these guys to be on roster #2 and my 2 other leagues
Furcal - best part about him is the insurance policy, his in-house replacement Dee Gordon can take over when he's on the DL
Desmond - price is getting a little steep but he has 15/20 potential and could hit near the top of the order
Asdrubal - ignore all of 2010, he was hurt
Alcides - he'll run this year
Yunel - uninteresting, but rare plus avg contributor late in the draft
Brignac - 15/15 potential
Pennington or Bartlett - if I screw up early, am way short on steals, and I missed Alcides I'll wait for him because no one else will be looking at him
Furcal - best part about him is the insurance policy, his in-house replacement Dee Gordon can take over when he's on the DL
Desmond - price is getting a little steep but he has 15/20 potential and could hit near the top of the order
Asdrubal - ignore all of 2010, he was hurt
Alcides - he'll run this year
Yunel - uninteresting, but rare plus avg contributor late in the draft
Brignac - 15/15 potential
Pennington or Bartlett - if I screw up early, am way short on steals, and I missed Alcides I'll wait for him because no one else will be looking at him
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The thing about SS is that there are two guys who are head and shoulders above everyone else. If you miss out on them, so has almost everyone else. It's not a huge competitive disadvantage if you can grab a decent option (anyone else on jimmy b's list, basically) and make up the difference elsewhere.
1B is a different story. There are about 10 guys who will give you huge power numbers, and then there is a pretty steep dropoff after that. If you miss out on them, almost everyone else will not have. And it's really tough to make up those kinds of power stats at other positions.
So I would secure a big bat at 1B. If you don't wait too long, you won't suffer at SS.
I happen to love Desmond this year, especially if you can afford to take on a less-than-ideal AVG.
1B is a different story. There are about 10 guys who will give you huge power numbers, and then there is a pretty steep dropoff after that. If you miss out on them, almost everyone else will not have. And it's really tough to make up those kinds of power stats at other positions.
So I would secure a big bat at 1B. If you don't wait too long, you won't suffer at SS.
I happen to love Desmond this year, especially if you can afford to take on a less-than-ideal AVG.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
If I don't land Alexei, I'm targeting Jed in my AL only league. What kind of line are you expecting from him?
shadyridr
Footballguy
I just feel he'll steal the SS job from Scutaro. Something like .290-70-20-65-0 wouldnt shock me if he gets the fulltime gig batting at the bottom of that lineup.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He's fine skills-wise, but he can't stay healthy consistently. I've always found him frustrating to own.
I ended up being able to grab Starlin a couple of rounds later.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
I'm going to try to end up with Starlin (Jeter II) on as many teams as I can in redraft. In auction setups, I'm going above and beyond for Hanley.
PIK95
Footballguy
DrunkinDwarf
Footballguy
What is everyone's opinion on Theriot this year? He qualifies at SS and 2B, can steal some bases and will be hitting in a good lineup. Seems like he could very easily put up numbers on par with a lot of the guys being discussed in this thread.
cosjobs
Footballguy
My priority for SS, if I miss Hanley, is below UTIL2 and my fifth SP. THere just is not that much difference between #3 and #15 to invest, imo.FOr example- you can almost alway get a guy like Alexi Casilla after the top 15- he got handed the job, has ss and 2B eligibility and showed great SB potential in the minors. I would not be the least surprised to see him steal 30 and hit .280. And as a backup alternate- I grabbed Jason Bartlett, a year removed from a very good OBP and good decent SB & HR totals - going to a new environment and young enough to think he can maybe revert to former stats. Neither of these guys are a lock, by any means, but I feel pretty good that one of them will get me close to average production at minimal cost.
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Forecaster (Ron Shandler) really likes Stephen Drew. I really like Jed Lowrie but Tito seems bound and determined to let Scutaro keep the job to thank him for playing hurt last year. Theriot is probably going to slow down. I would stay away. Castro and Desmond are interesting.
the moops
Footballguy
Lowrie already has SS eligibility which is a good thing. With Pedroia's foot and Ortiz not being able to hit lefties, he may see a good chunk of playing time even without playing SS this year. Youk or Gonzalez would DH with Lowrie playing 3rd in the Ortiz scenario.
SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
I know it's only ST but starlin Castro is an xbh machine
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
You're solid now. Furcal is great....when playing. Castro could become a top 5 SS this year. Why not? It wouldn't take much. Castro is my later round SS grab this year. On another note, I hope you didn't put too much stock in CBS rankings. Their OF rankings are a joke. Nelly Cruz #16 overall, Matt Kemp 26th? Come on!I ended up being able to grab Starlin a couple of rounds later.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
That is pretty odd. I don't got to CBS much, but I've always found Scott White to be a good read. I've seen he has no faith in Cruz to stay healthy, so maybe there's some sense in the his ranking (though I wouldn't agree with it).I have no idea how the Kemp ranking could've happened though. I love CBY, but Young's upside is somewhere in the neighborhood of Kemp's worst case scenario (roughly 25-20-.270 ish on both counts). Putting Young 12 spots ahead of Kemp makes absolutely no sense.You're solid now. Furcal is great....when playing. Castro could become a top 5 SS this year. Why not? It wouldn't take much. Castro is my later round SS grab this year. On another note, I hope you didn't put too much stock in CBS rankings. Their OF rankings are a joke. Nelly Cruz #16 overall, Matt Kemp 26th? Come on!I ended up being able to grab Starlin a couple of rounds later.
I couldn't really imagine any rationale for putting Markakis and Ichiro in the top 16 either.
Beau Tocks
Footballguy
I'm sitting at the 4 position and have never been an early SS guy. I find myself looking at Tulo more and more. Convince me that this should be the way to go over the likes of Braun,C. Gonz,or power 1B's to get my draft day started.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Because I want my 1st round pick to be as safe as can be. Tulo has only had over 600 AB's once in his 5 years of MLB. If I'm picking 4th then guys like Cabrera and Longoria are at the top of my list. JMO
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Beau Tocks
Footballguy
I think Cab's will be gone @ 3, if not yes he is mine. I will pass on Longoria because I feel pretty confident I can get Bautista coming back in the 3rd to give me those power numbers at 3B. I just feel there are very few solid power/speed OF'S and the real value is there with the aforementioned I posted. Back to Tulo, it is obvious he has past injury issues but his power at that position can really separate your team from the field if you draft your remaining spots wisely.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Longoria is a 5 tool 3B, there aren't too many of those. If you want to bank on Bautista, it's your choice. There are probably less power/speed 3b's then OF's. Carlos Gonzalez is the new "it" guy this year, costing you a 1st rounder based on last year's numbers alone....pretty small sample size. Why not wait a round, or even maybe 2, and take Matt Kemp. Kemp was the "it" guy in 2010 drafts based on his 2009 numbers. Now after one poor season he's falling in rankings. He could be a bargain. Same with Justin Upton. The talent is still there, he just hasn't broken out yet. Give me a post hyper in his mid 20's cheap and I'll be a happy drafter.Tulo is more of a gamble than Longoria IMO, so I'd take Longoria.
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SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
in OBP leagues Wright is a better option than Longoria IMOlongoria 96r 22hr 104rbi 15sb .372obpwright 87r 29hr 103rbi 19sb .354obpmeaning longoria may not be a top of the draft option
SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
i dont even agree w/ this
Beau Tocks
Footballguy
What are you saying here? You don't Longoria or you are retracting your Wright position?
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Because if you don't, you will wind up with a big fat hole in your lineup. Plenty of late round OF/CI can be had that will produce meaningful numbers (just a matter of picking the right ones). The same cannot be said for SS. Would you rather have Braun + Furcal or Tulo + Heyward?
SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
im retracting my liking of wright over longoria.What are you saying here? You don't Longoria or you are retracting your Wright position?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
In a ten team draft I just completed, I opted to wait a long time and took Omar Infante as my SS. He has insane position eligibility and won't kill you.
It's really difficult to find any sort of sweet spot for value. All of the guys you'd think might be good options have serious question marks. If you trust Drew, I'd go that route, but not be confident. I also think Castro is horribly overrated. Basically, nothing really stands out, so I would just pick someone very late and scour the wire for help.
It's really difficult to find any sort of sweet spot for value. All of the guys you'd think might be good options have serious question marks. If you trust Drew, I'd go that route, but not be confident. I also think Castro is horribly overrated. Basically, nothing really stands out, so I would just pick someone very late and scour the wire for help.
Beau Tocks
Footballguy
Zackly what I was thinking!'E-Z Glider said:
Beau Tocks
Footballguy
I believe the gist in his comparisons is that there is a big drop off in SS and not so much in quality OF's. Yes Heyward will be taken off the boards way before Furcal but still can be had a couple rounds later while having an elite tier player at the SS position. Your Jeter comparison would be more accurate however I agree. With that being said I would opt for Tulo/Heyward over Braun/Jeter.....I think?
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Looking at his spring training stats, he actually did better last year. He didn't hit as many HRs, but he hit the same amount of XBH in about 10 less at bats.
cosjobs
Footballguy
THIS. Get two guys with question marks at the end of the draft and you have a better chance at quality production than one early question mark. Plus you use that early pick for quality at another position.
the moops
Footballguy
Going off last year's numbers Braun and Jeter far outperformed the other 2.Tulo/HeywardAVG - .277RUNS - 172HR - 45RBI - 167SB - 22Braun/JeterAVG - 287RUNS - 212HR - 35RBI - 170SB - 32
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Ignoring the pretty high chance that Heyward surpasses his numbers last year by a significant margin due to player growth, Braun/Jeter also had 290+ more ABs than Tulo/Heyward did last year, due primarily to Tulo and Heyward spending time on the DL.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Not a recipe for success in fantasy baseball. I have late round sleepers I like at every single position except SS. I dont always buy into the position scarcity theory, but for this year at SS I definitely do. And these guys aren't just "better than the rest" (like Utley and Kinsler used to be at 2B). These guys are bonafide studs that will put up huge numbers comparable to the best OFs and 1Bs in the game.
Tulo/Heyward
AVG - .277
RUNS - 172
HR - 45
RBI - 167
SB - 22
Braun/Jeter
AVG - 287
RUNS - 212
HR - 35
RBI - 170
SB - 32
the moops
Footballguy
I think Heyward will improve, but I', not sure his improvement will be all that different than a slight reversion of Jeter back to his old (younger) self.I'm not saying I prefer the Jeter/Braun tandem, but it isn't as clear as simply taking the SS (Tulo or Hanley) just because of position scarcity. I think there is a pretty big dropoff after the top 7'ish outfielders as well.'Time Kibitzer said:Ignoring the pretty high chance that Heyward surpasses his numbers last year by a significant margin due to player growth, Braun/Jeter also had 290+ more ABs than Tulo/Heyward did last year, due primarily to Tulo and Heyward spending time on the DL.'the moops said:
boubucarow
Footballguy
Castro has me believing he will be a 320 hitter with 45+ doubles, 7+ triples, and 15+ homers when he puts it all together. His ability to make solid contact is special.'Time Kibitzer said:
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Agreed. The kid has hit .300+ everywhere he goes, rookie ball, A+, AA, spring league, and in the MLB as a 20 year old. Simply put the kid can rake. As he grows older and puts on some muscle, he could put up some very good numbers.
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dparker713
Footballguy
A) Why would you expect a 36 year old to revert back to his former self?B) Both Heyward and Tulo spent significant time on the DL for injuries that are unlikely to re-occur/have lingering effects. While both have checkered pasts re: health, they're not 36.C) Braun's trends hardly make him without risk either.I think Heyward will improve, but I', not sure his improvement will be all that different than a slight reversion of Jeter back to his old (younger) self.I'm not saying I prefer the Jeter/Braun tandem, but it isn't as clear as simply taking the SS (Tulo or Hanley) just because of position scarcity. I think there is a pretty big dropoff after the top 7'ish outfielders as well.'Time Kibitzer said:Ignoring the pretty high chance that Heyward surpasses his numbers last year by a significant margin due to player growth, Braun/Jeter also had 290+ more ABs than Tulo/Heyward did last year, due primarily to Tulo and Heyward spending time on the DL.'the moops said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Looks like Brandon Funston over at Yahoo is also on the Castro Express. He just put him at #100 on his latest Big Board (ahead of Drew, Andrus, and Furcal).
boubucarow
Footballguy
His value has will and skyrocket on draft day when you are looking at the mediocrity of the position and see his upside. At 20, it is far more likely he takes a small jump rather then explodes this year and the result would be him being over drafted in almost every league.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Those of you tooting the Lowrie horn, I hate to burst your buble, but here you go http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/terry_franconas_faith_in_marco.htmlI think Brad Emaus makes a nice sleeper
