CBower4545
Footballguy
Sadly this is actually the difference in a fantasy game(not mine), should a kneel down count as a rush for negative one yard? It is not really even a play? why would the NFL consider it a rush attempt? Horrible way to lose....
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Should a Kneel down count as a Negative 1 yard rush? (1 Viewer)
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SteveInChicago
Footballguy
-1 penalty yard with loss of down?
Texican
Footballguy
A penalty yard? How would that be a penalty?
The Jerk
Footballguy
Shockingly, the NFL is more interested in recording the events on the field as they happened rather than being concerned about the impact of their statistical policies on fantasy football.A comparable play is a last-second desperation pass into the endzone which gets intercepted. Or a sack on a similar play as the QB tries to buy time. People lose games in that fashion, too.
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bentley
Footballguy
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Not to get in the way of an emoticon salute . . . but how in the heck are those plays "comparable"?
the rover
Footballguy
I lost that way.I vividly remember winning a game because my opponent's QB kneeled down on 3 consecutive plays for -6 yards. Good times.
The Jerk
Footballguy
They are comparable in fantasy football accounting terms. Fantasy teams are penalized if their QB kneels down or throws an interception. Fantasy teams are rewarded when team defense points are awarded for interceptions or sacks. Depends on the scoring system, but I've lost games both ways: QB kneel downs, last play sack in the same league last year. I think it was in a three-game stretch.Not to get in the way of an emoticon salute . . . but how in the heck are those plays "comparable"?
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Nope. It doesn't count any more than an extra point counts as a field goal or a two-point conversion counts as a touchdown.
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bentley
Footballguy
I was really onlyNot to get in the way of an emoticon salute . . . but how in the heck are those plays "comparable"?
the first line. He snuck the second one in while I composed my treatise. I think he's saying that all these plays are quirky ways that fantasy games are lost.
The Jerk
Footballguy
To be perhaps even more painfully clear, the "comparable" description is not intended to apply to the play on the field or game situation, but rather to the way that statistics are accrued that are as bentley said, quirky. I see essentially no difference in the way a QB kneel down costs a fantasy owner points or fractions of a point vs. the way a team defense is given points for an intersection on a Hail Mary pass. Both are situational plays that don't resemble normal rushes or passes but they have to show up somehow in the boxscore since they happened in the game.I was really onlyNot to get in the way of an emoticon salute . . . but how in the heck are those plays "comparable"?
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Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
This has got to be the all time worst question.You're kidding, right?
The Jerk
Footballguy
I see you've only been around here for less than a month. You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Coach3K
Footballguy
Actually, it could be implemented very easily.
Already, if I recall correctly, yards lost on a sack are not counted as negative yards passing/rushing for the individual QB that took the sack.
Instead, because "[t]hose yards have to be accounted for somehow" (and they do, I agree), they are subtracted from the team passing yards.
So - simple - since they have "special" yardage accounting for sacks which avoids those yards counting against the QB, make a parallel rule where intentional "kneel-down" yards are counted against the team rush yards, but not the individual.
Next problem that needs to be solved....?
Already, if I recall correctly, yards lost on a sack are not counted as negative yards passing/rushing for the individual QB that took the sack.
Instead, because "[t]hose yards have to be accounted for somehow" (and they do, I agree), they are subtracted from the team passing yards.
So - simple - since they have "special" yardage accounting for sacks which avoids those yards counting against the QB, make a parallel rule where intentional "kneel-down" yards are counted against the team rush yards, but not the individual.
Next problem that needs to be solved....?
Widbil83
Footballguy
I lost that way.I vividly remember winning a game because my opponent's QB kneeled down on 3 consecutive plays for -6 yards. Good times.
I've been that guy.
eagles2007
Footballguy
in college it goes down as a team attempt
Ice Cream Man
Footballguy
I think the question is more than a fantasy one.
Intuitively, recording a kneel as a negative rush isn't reflecting the reality on the field except insofar as bookkeeping the loss of yardage. That is, there was no attempt to advance the ball, so it goes against the principle of what rushing stats are meant to illustrate. I mean, why should it drag down someone's YPC, a stat that is supposed to represent the rushing effectiveness of the player? Or why should it contribute to a team being recognized as having made a lot of rushing attempts?
This is perhaps similar to advancing from one base to the next in baseball over indifference... they don't give you a steal, even though you are technically taking a base from the defense. I'm not defending this particular rule (b/c I don't think the defense is ever truly indifferent about men being closer to scoring) but the point is that separate rules get developed/applied to different situations when existing rules generate statistics that give a slightly distorted view of the gameplay.
Intuitively, recording a kneel as a negative rush isn't reflecting the reality on the field except insofar as bookkeeping the loss of yardage. That is, there was no attempt to advance the ball, so it goes against the principle of what rushing stats are meant to illustrate. I mean, why should it drag down someone's YPC, a stat that is supposed to represent the rushing effectiveness of the player? Or why should it contribute to a team being recognized as having made a lot of rushing attempts?
This is perhaps similar to advancing from one base to the next in baseball over indifference... they don't give you a steal, even though you are technically taking a base from the defense. I'm not defending this particular rule (b/c I don't think the defense is ever truly indifferent about men being closer to scoring) but the point is that separate rules get developed/applied to different situations when existing rules generate statistics that give a slightly distorted view of the gameplay.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Team rushing.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Except for the fact that the QB is the only one with the ball, he's not attempting a pass, and he loses yardage.Has all the makings of a -1 rush. Nope, that's exactly what it is.
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