Should I warn other owner? (1 Viewer)

[pantagrapher]

Orly? You aren't helping him with lineup calls? Absent your call he plays Ap and loses. With your call he plays knox and wins. You didn't help him?

Love to hear how you rationalize that...

Helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you have Peterson in your lineup. He's facing a pretty tough rush D tonight, while Knox's targets have been trending up the past three weeks in a row and he's going up against a depleted secondary. I'd probably start Knox."

NotAlso helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you still have Peterson in your lineup - don't know if you saw this, but he was just declared inactive for tonight's game and won't be playing. Just a heads up."

HTH

You never discuss lineups with other owners? Is this a rule in your league or just some made up code of honor?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Orly? You aren't helping him with lineup calls? Absent your call he plays Ap and loses. With your call he plays knox and wins. You didn't help him?

Love to hear how you rationalize that...

Helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you have Peterson in your lineup. He's facing a pretty tough rush D tonight, while Knox's targets have been trending up the past three weeks in a row and he's going up against a depleted secondary. I'd probably start Knox."

NotAlso helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you still have Peterson in your lineup - don't know if you saw this, but he was just declared inactive for tonight's game and won't be playing. Just a heads up."

HTH

That's not helping with a lineup call. No one needs help deciding whether or not they should start an inactive RB over an active WR.

 

[pantagrapher]

Orly? You aren't helping him with lineup calls? Absent your call he plays Ap and loses. With your call he plays knox and wins. You didn't help him?

Love to hear how you rationalize that...

Helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you have Peterson in your lineup. He's facing a pretty tough rush D tonight, while Knox's targets have been trending up the past three weeks in a row and he's going up against a depleted secondary. I'd probably start Knox."

NotAlso helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you still have Peterson in your lineup - don't know if you saw this, but he was just declared inactive for tonight's game and won't be playing. Just a heads up."

HTH

That's not helping with a lineup call. No one needs help deciding whether or not they should start an inactive RB over an active WR.

This has just been a parade of fake outrage. For some reason, once someone says the word "commish," people get worked into a beard-tugging froth, even when the owner wasn't acting as part of his commissioner duties.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Orly? You aren't helping him with lineup calls? Absent your call he plays Ap and loses. With your call he plays knox and wins. You didn't help him?

Love to hear how you rationalize that...

Helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you have Peterson in your lineup. He's facing a pretty tough rush D tonight, while Knox's targets have been trending up the past three weeks in a row and he's going up against a depleted secondary. I'd probably start Knox."

NotAlso helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you still have Peterson in your lineup - don't know if you saw this, but he was just declared inactive for tonight's game and won't be playing. Just a heads up."

HTH

That's not helping with a lineup call. No one needs help deciding whether or not they should start an inactive RB over an active WR.

Sure it is.

 

[Pura Vida]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

It all depends on how much money is on the line. If I have 2,000 on the line, my fantasy team takes precedent over the water heater, deadline and possibly even a sick kid. It also may be the reason there is a disconnect on this isue. I'm guessing those of us who play in high dollar leagues tend to be the more upset crowd and those who play in low dollar or free leagues are the more understanding crowd.

 

[pantagrapher]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

It all depends on how much money is on the line. If I have 2,000 on the line, my fantasy team takes precedent over the water heater, deadline and possibly even a sick kid. It also may be the reason there is a disconnect on this isue. I'm guessing those of us who play in high dollar leagues tend to be the more upset crowd and those who play in low dollar or free leagues are the more understanding crowd.

I would agree with that. When there's a lot of money on the line, people tend to throw ethics out the window and care solely about winning, even if it means making sure a fellow owner doesn't find out about a late inactive. I'm in a league with roughly $1,600 in total prize money, but luckily we've never had a problem with anyone lowering themselves to this level.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Because I know you're dying for one more opinion from a guy who hasn't read the whole thread....-.00001 points for a commish who inconsistently informs owners about issues pertaining to their lineups.-8,000,000,000,000 points for an owner who complains or gets mad because he lost because his opponent was alerted not to start an inactive player.

To the OP. No matter what you believe, I hope you learn from this experience that many,many,many people would have a huge problem with this. Remember that in the future if you want to avoid problems running your league.Also, how much was on the line? Did you ever tell the owner you screwed over?

The OP didn't break any rules. And nobody got screwed over.

I agree that the OP didn't break any rules and that the losing owner didn't get cheated. But that doesn't change the fact that what the OP did was unethical.

 

[pantagrapher]

Because I know you're dying for one more opinion from a guy who hasn't read the whole thread....-.00001 points for a commish who inconsistently informs owners about issues pertaining to their lineups.-8,000,000,000,000 points for an owner who complains or gets mad because he lost because his opponent was alerted not to start an inactive player.

To the OP. No matter what you believe, I hope you learn from this experience that many,many,many people would have a huge problem with this. Remember that in the future if you want to avoid problems running your league.Also, how much was on the line? Did you ever tell the owner you screwed over?

The OP didn't break any rules. And nobody got screwed over.

I agree that the OP didn't break any rules and that the losing owner didn't get cheated. But that doesn't change the fact that what the OP did was unethical.

I would argue that purposefully withholding that information is unethical.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

It all depends on how much money is on the line. If I have 2,000 on the line, my fantasy team takes precedent over the water heater, deadline and possibly even a sick kid. It also may be the reason there is a disconnect on this isue. I'm guessing those of us who play in high dollar leagues tend to be the more upset crowd and those who play in low dollar or free leagues are the more understanding crowd.

My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on). Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Because I know you're dying for one more opinion from a guy who hasn't read the whole thread....-.00001 points for a commish who inconsistently informs owners about issues pertaining to their lineups.-8,000,000,000,000 points for an owner who complains or gets mad because he lost because his opponent was alerted not to start an inactive player.

To the OP. No matter what you believe, I hope you learn from this experience that many,many,many people would have a huge problem with this. Remember that in the future if you want to avoid problems running your league.Also, how much was on the line? Did you ever tell the owner you screwed over?

The OP didn't break any rules. And nobody got screwed over.

I agree that the OP didn't break any rules and that the losing owner didn't get cheated. But that doesn't change the fact that what the OP did was unethical.

I would argue that purposefully withholding that information is unethical.

It would be a pretty bad argument

 

[Pura Vida]

My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on). Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.

Come on- it takes two minutes to check the inactives list. Its not like I am saying dont pay any attention to your water heater or kid. Im saying take two damn minutes to look it up yourself.Over dramatic much?

 

[geoff8695]

My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on).

Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.

Come on- it takes two minutes to check the inactives list. Its not like I am saying dont pay any attention to your water heater or kid. Im saying take two damn minutes to look it up yourself.Over dramatic much?

Actually that's exactly what you are saying... And those of you on the wrong side of this issue are actually the ones being "over dramatic", because at the end of the day this is "fantasy football". It's not real, no one is going to live or die based on its results, and its apparent that you are willing to engage in situational ethics based upon your enthusiasm for "magic" or "fantasy" football.You can whine and cry all you want about the money, it doesn't make your argument any more valid because of the dollar amount attached to it...

 

[Dexter Manley]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?

Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is.

During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).

Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

 

[Pura Vida]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

If that happened at one of the poker games I attend, there would be a fight.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Come on- it takes two minutes to check the inactives list. Its not like I am saying dont pay any attention to your water heater or kid. Im saying take two damn minutes to look it up yourself.

Which two damn minutes are we talking about? Two damn minutes on Wednesday morning? Two damn minutes before kickoff? The two damn minutes that you're finishing your project at work, or driving your kid to the doctor? Every damn two minutes, to see if anyone's status has changed?The fact is that at some point after pre-game warmups, Peterson was declared inactive for the Monday night game. Most people don't have a hard time understanding how it's possible that someone might not have the opportunity to take two damn minutes to check his pretend football team in the small window of time between the inactive status and kickoff. I don't mean this in a bad way, but really, I can only assume that you're in college or something, and you don't fully understand real life yet.

Over dramatic much?

You're the one who would put a $2,000 magic football prize ahead of everything else in his life. Seems like one of us has our priorities backwards, and I'm pretty sure it's not me.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

Can I sign up for your last minute roster non-assistance program? This would be awesome if someone else would do this for me, as following all these message boards and tweets/blogs etc for cutting edge information is really time consuming. TIA It would really help me a lot.

 

[pantagrapher]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

This is the third time the poker analogy has come up. It's a horrible analogy.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

If the "information" he provided to player A was along the lines of, "Hey Player A, you dropped one of your cards on the floor," then no one would have a problem with that. Clearly, picking up the card and putting it back in his hand maximizes his chances of winning the hand, as opposed to leaving it on the floor.If the "information" he provided is more along the lines of, "Hey Player A, I've noticed that Player B has a really obvious tell, and he is definitely bluffing right now," then of course everyone would have a problem with that. But unfortunately for the point you were trying to make, that's not at all analogous to the situation in the OP.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

Can I sign up for your last minute roster non-assistance program? This would be awesome if someone else would do this for me, as following all these message boards and tweets/blogs etc for cutting edge information is really time consuming. TIA It would really help me a lot.

I'm pretty sure Joe Bryant has a free mailing list.

 

[Dexter Manley]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

This is the third time the poker analogy has come up. It's a horrible analogy.

That's the best you got? I guess if I had no counter argument to a near perfect analogy I might throw out a similar line too. While I realize the ethics in fantasy football are light years behind the ethics in poker, the bottom line is, if you have a problem with what went down in the poker analogy and have no problem with what went down in the OP, you're being hypocritical.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

near perfect analogy

No.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Screw a 'smart owner', A mediocre owner knows to check his lineups about an hour before kickoff. And LOL at Ig E's "he was on PST and had no idea what was going on" Like he hasn't lived in the Pacific Timezone all year to know when MNF is.

 

[footballnerd]

Which two damn minutes are we talking about? Two damn minutes on Wednesday morning? Two damn minutes before kickoff? The two damn minutes that you're finishing your project at work, or driving your kid to the doctor? Every damn two minutes, to see if anyone's status has changed?The fact is that at some point after pre-game warmups, Peterson was declared inactive for the Monday night game. Most people don't have a hard time understanding how it's possible that someone might not have the opportunity to take two damn minutes to check his pretend football team in the small window of time between the inactive status and kickoff. I don't mean this in a bad way, but really, I can only assume that you're in college or something, and you don't fully understand real life yet.

He had two damn minutes to go online and change his lineup after he got a phone call.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Screw a 'smart owner', A mediocre owner knows to check his lineups about an hour before kickoff. And LOL at Ig E's "he was on PST and had no idea what was going on" Like he hasn't lived in the Pacific Timezone all year to know when MNF is.

What does him knowing when MNF starts have to do with anything? You seem to be having a really hard time with the comprehension here. I'm happy for you that you apparently get to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it, but unfortunately for most people that isn't the case, especially when the thing they want to do is something relatively unimportant like managing their magic football team. ETA: The whole PST thing wasn't some invention of mine:

It turns out the guy, who is on PST time, was still at work and had no idea.

 

[yellowdog]

Come on- it takes two minutes to check the inactives list. Its not like I am saying dont pay any attention to your water heater or kid. Im saying take two damn minutes to look it up yourself.

Which two damn minutes are we talking about? Two damn minutes on Wednesday morning? Two damn minutes before kickoff? The two damn minutes that you're finishing your project at work, or driving your kid to the doctor? Every damn two minutes, to see if anyone's status has changed?The fact is that at some point after pre-game warmups, Peterson was declared inactive for the Monday night game. Most people don't have a hard time understanding how it's possible that someone might not have the opportunity to take two damn minutes to check his pretend football team in the small window of time between the inactive status and kickoff. I don't mean this in a bad way, but really, I can only assume that you're in college or something, and you don't fully understand real life yet.

Over dramatic much?

You're the one who would put a $2,000 magic football prize ahead of everything else in his life. Seems like one of us has our priorities backwards, and I'm pretty sure it's not me.

The AP owner didn't have 2 minutes to check his lineup and status of his most important player. Yet, he had time to take a call from his pretend commissioner of his pretend football league, and make the change to his lineup. Makes pefect sense to me.

 

[pantagrapher]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

This is the third time the poker analogy has come up. It's a horrible analogy.

That's the best you got? I guess if I had no counter argument to a near perfect analogy I might throw out a similar line too. While I realize the ethics in fantasy football are light years behind the ethics in poker, the bottom line is, if you have a problem with what went down in the poker analogy and have no problem with what went down in the OP, you're being hypocritical.

The best I've got? It's not like this is even a viable analogy where I can point to one or two things that make it inaccurate; it's not even close to accurate for dozens of reasons. Is watching football in a bar with games and announcers on TV comparable to playing poker in a casino where everyone can see each other's hands? Can a poker player leave the table during a hand and later find out that one of his cards is no longer a card? It's amazing you guys have to resort to tortured analogies to "prove" we're being hypocritical.

 

[gianmarco]

Which two damn minutes are we talking about? Two damn minutes on Wednesday morning? Two damn minutes before kickoff? The two damn minutes that you're finishing your project at work, or driving your kid to the doctor? Every damn two minutes, to see if anyone's status has changed?The fact is that at some point after pre-game warmups, Peterson was declared inactive for the Monday night game. Most people don't have a hard time understanding how it's possible that someone might not have the opportunity to take two damn minutes to check his pretend football team in the small window of time between the inactive status and kickoff. I don't mean this in a bad way, but really, I can only assume that you're in college or something, and you don't fully understand real life yet.

He had two damn minutes to go online and change his lineup after he got a phone call.

No, he didn't. As he was still at work and didn't have access, he requested the change be made after hearing about the inactive player. So, my friend that called to let him know called me back and asked to have the change made. As this was still 20 minutes before kickoff, I did so. The end.If I wouldn't have heard back or if my friend never got a hold of him, he would have remained with AP in his lineup. I would have never made the change without being asked to.

 

[Flash]

Because I know you're dying for one more opinion from a guy who hasn't read the whole thread....

-.00001 points for a commish who inconsistently informs owners about issues pertaining to their lineups.

-8,000,000,000,000 points for an owner who complains or gets mad because he lost because his opponent was alerted not to start an inactive player.

To the OP. No matter what you believe, I hope you learn from this experience that many,many,many people would have a huge problem with this. Remember that in the future if you want to avoid problems running your league.Also, how much was on the line? Did you ever tell the owner you screwed over?

The OP didn't break any rules. And nobody got screwed over.

I agree that the OP didn't break any rules and that the losing owner didn't get cheated. But that doesn't change the fact that what the OP did was unethical.

I would argue that purposefully withholding that information is unethical.

Just incredible. You are acting like the Commissioner is the only one who knew AP was out.

 

[Flash]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

It all depends on how much money is on the line. If I have 2,000 on the line, my fantasy team takes precedent over the water heater, deadline and possibly even a sick kid. It also may be the reason there is a disconnect on this isue. I'm guessing those of us who play in high dollar leagues tend to be the more upset crowd and those who play in low dollar or free leagues are the more understanding crowd.

My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on). Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.

So basically what you're saying, is that every team including the commissioner should be watching every roster for every owner.That would be called a Babysitting Football League.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

It all depends on how much money is on the line. If I have 2,000 on the line, my fantasy team takes precedent over the water heater, deadline and possibly even a sick kid. It also may be the reason there is a disconnect on this isue. I'm guessing those of us who play in high dollar leagues tend to be the more upset crowd and those who play in low dollar or free leagues are the more understanding crowd.

My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on). Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.

So basically what you're saying, is that every team including the commissioner should be watching every roster for every owner.That would be called a Babysitting Football League.

That's not what I said at all. Keep trying, though.

 

[geoff8695]

bite me- I am not whining nor am I crying. I am saying an owner should accept some personal responsibility for his team and that a commisioner should just run the league, not offer free advice that changes the outcomes of games. Dont put words in my mouth.If I were to argue like you do, I would say something like "I guess you just dont believe in accepting personal responsibility in your life." Id make a false generalization from your argument and apply it to your whole life. Thats just stupid.Disagree with me all you want, but dont use lame argumentative tatics to make generalizations about my character. Jack ###

Yeah you are and you sound pretty pathetic IMO. "OMG!!! OH NO MY OPPONENT DIDN'T TAKE A ZERO AND JUST HAND ME A WIN FOR HIS GAME DAY INACTIVE!!""I didn't lose because his team beat my team this week. I lost because someone let him know he was about to take a zero..."Boo freakin' hoo!Your character is directly related to your actions. Man up already and realize that this is a sportsmanship issue. No one cheated. No one divulged "insider" information. No one snuck a peak at someone else's hole cards. The arguments keep getting lamer and lamer here.It's obvious that some of you are just young guys who have less life experience with 'real world' priorities and 'responsibilities' just yet. That's cool, you'll get there eventually. Hopefully with maturity you will realize that your family, children, profession, and a myriad of other responsiblities can prevent you from looking up game day inactives on a Monday and that it's good sportsmanship in a "magic" football league to share public knowledge with the guy who is preoccupied with more urgent matters. Heck for all we know this owner had planned on checking 30 minutes prior to kickoff to get a FINAL answer as to which player to go with. We don't even know that the OP was the reason a change occurred.And as Drinen posted earlier it is far more distasteful that you should throw a hissy fit about someone sharing public knowledge with the guy who's busy, rather than just moving on and accepting it. And YES that speaks volumes about your personal character, and an inability to put things in a proper perspective. What's really "stupid" is all the mental gymnastics going on here to try to justify 'outrage' that a team didn't get it's 'rightful' victory by his opponent taking a zero from it's #1 stud player being deactivated on game day, when a perfectly acceptable 'lesser' replacement player was available.

 

[Flash]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

This is the third time the poker analogy has come up. It's a horrible analogy.

And each analogy is spot on.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Is watching football in a bar with games and announcers on TV comparable to playing poker in a casino where everyone can see each other's hands?

My analogy has nothing to do with a casino. The OP is running a heads up poker tourney. A casino isn't. Just like the OP is running his fantasy football league. A casino isn't.

Can a poker player leave the table during a hand and later find out that one of his cards is no longer a card?

Absolutely not. And I'm not sure what your point is since the AP owner didn't have a player dropped from his roster either.

It's not like this is even a viable analogy where I can point to one or two things that make it inaccurate; it's not even close to accurate for dozens of reasons.

Yet thus far you've failed to come up with a single reason why "it's not even close to accurate."

 

[footballnerd]

No, he didn't. As he was still at work and didn't have access, he requested the change be made after hearing about the inactive player. So, my friend that called to let him know called me back and asked to have the change made. As this was still 20 minutes before kickoff, I did so. The end.If I wouldn't have heard back or if my friend never got a hold of him, he would have remained with AP in his lineup. I would have never made the change without being asked to.

Well alright then, thats a good situation to get involved if you believe interfering with other peoples match ups is okay. I can see where you're coming from. We'll just beg to differ on the other part.

 

[pantagrapher]

yea- but a smart owner doesnt need a call from the commish to learn that his questionable player is not playing.

Getting stuck at work, or any of the infinite number of other more important things in life, has no bearing on how "smart" of an owner you are. Sometimes you have a deadline to meet at the office, or your kid gets sick, or your water heater breaks - the last thing on your mind in times like those is whether or not one of the players on your pretend football team is inactive. That doesn't mean you're less of an owner, it just means you're a human.

It all depends on how much money is on the line. If I have 2,000 on the line, my fantasy team takes precedent over the water heater, deadline and possibly even a sick kid. It also may be the reason there is a disconnect on this isue. I'm guessing those of us who play in high dollar leagues tend to be the more upset crowd and those who play in low dollar or free leagues are the more understanding crowd.

My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on). Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.

So basically what you're saying, is that every team including the commissioner should be watching every roster for every owner.That would be called a Babysitting Football League.

No one has said that.

 

[Flash]

Screw a 'smart owner', A mediocre owner knows to check his lineups about an hour before kickoff. And LOL at Ig E's "he was on PST and had no idea what was going on" Like he hasn't lived in the Pacific Timezone all year to know when MNF is.

What does him knowing when MNF starts have to do with anything? You seem to be having a really hard time with the comprehension here. I'm happy for you that you apparently get to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it, but unfortunately for most people that isn't the case, especially when the thing they want to do is something relatively unimportant like managing their magic football team. ETA: The whole PST thing wasn't some invention of mine:

It turns out the guy, who is on PST time, was still at work and had no idea.

First time Mon. Nite Football has been played at that time PST, so I can understand that.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Yet thus far you've failed to come up with a single reason why "it's not even close to accurate."

I note that you haven't responded to my post yet, where I point out exactly why your analogy fails.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Screw a 'smart owner', A mediocre owner knows to check his lineups about an hour before kickoff. And LOL at Ig E's "he was on PST and had no idea what was going on" Like he hasn't lived in the Pacific Timezone all year to know when MNF is.

What does him knowing when MNF starts have to do with anything? You seem to be having a really hard time with the comprehension here. I'm happy for you that you apparently get to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it, but unfortunately for most people that isn't the case, especially when the thing they want to do is something relatively unimportant like managing their magic football team. ETA: The whole PST thing wasn't some invention of mine:

It turns out the guy, who is on PST time, was still at work and had no idea.

First time Mon. Nite Football has been played at that time PST, so I can understand that.

I think we all agree that Monday Night Football starts the same time every week. Clearly you don't understand why that's completely irrelevant.

 

[Flash]

Which two damn minutes are we talking about? Two damn minutes on Wednesday morning? Two damn minutes before kickoff? The two damn minutes that you're finishing your project at work, or driving your kid to the doctor? Every damn two minutes, to see if anyone's status has changed?

The fact is that at some point after pre-game warmups, Peterson was declared inactive for the Monday night game. Most people don't have a hard time understanding how it's possible that someone might not have the opportunity to take two damn minutes to check his pretend football team in the small window of time between the inactive status and kickoff. I don't mean this in a bad way, but really, I can only assume that you're in college or something, and you don't fully understand real life yet.

He had two damn minutes to go online and change his lineup after he got a phone call.

No, he didn't. As he was still at work and didn't have access, he requested the change be made after hearing about the inactive player. So, my friend that called to let him know called me back and asked to have the change made. As this was still 20 minutes before kickoff, I did so. The end.

If I wouldn't have heard back or if my friend never got a hold of him, he would have remained with AP in his lineup. I would have never made the change without being asked to.

But you facilitated the change.Again, why wouldn't you tell the rest of the league what you did?

 

[Summer Wheat]

To all of the people in here who have no problem with what the OP did or think he did the right thing. Are any of you guys poker players?Imagine the OP is holding and running a heads-up poker tourney at his house. The OP has made the final table and is awaiting the results of the other semi-final between Player A and Player B (the 2 owners discussed in this thread) to see who is opponent is. During a critical hand, the OP is standing behind player A (the AP owner) and sees his hole cards when player A looks at his hand. Then player B forces the action, and player A is faced with a decision which is basically going to decide who is going to win the match. At this point, the OP whispers into player A's ear some information which ensures Player A will make the correct decision that maximizes his chances of winning the hand (and also the match).Would any of you have a problem with this? Because ethically speaking, this is basically the same thing that went down here except it was fantasy football and not poker.

This is the third time the poker analogy has come up. It's a horrible analogy.

And each analogy is spot on.

It is accurate. Stay out of peoples business and let nature take its course.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

It's like if you keep repeating "magic" enough you think you make a point or something

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

It's like if you keep repeating "magic" enough you think you make a point or something

It's not my fault you're wrong.

 

[Flash]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

Agree, your side should just stop as you are really running out of the same tired excuses.A commissioner should never affect the outcome of a game. End of discussion.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

It's like if you keep repeating "magic" enough you think you make a point or something

It's not my fault you're wrong.

IT'S MAGIC!!!!

 

[pantagrapher]

Is watching football in a bar with games and announcers on TV comparable to playing poker in a casino where everyone can see each other's hands?

My analogy has nothing to do with a casino. The OP is running a heads up poker tourney. A casino isn't. Just like the OP is running his fantasy football league. A casino isn't.

Simply put, fantasy football is not played the same way poker is played—it relies on another game that is completely separate. A better analogy would be fantasy poker, where we all pick poker players and advance based on their hands. And my friend calls me up and tells me Phil Ivy didn't make it to the casino and I plug in Hellmuth.

 

[pantagrapher]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

Agree, your side should just stop as you are really running out of the same tired excuses.A commissioner should never affect the outcome of a game. End of discussion.

A commissioner affects the outcome of a game every time he sets his lineup.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Because I know you're dying for one more opinion from a guy who hasn't read the whole thread....

-.00001 points for a commish who inconsistently informs owners about issues pertaining to their lineups.

-8,000,000,000,000 points for an owner who complains or gets mad because he lost because his opponent was alerted not to start an inactive player.

To the OP. No matter what you believe, I hope you learn from this experience that many,many,many people would have a huge problem with this. Remember that in the future if you want to avoid problems running your league.Also, how much was on the line? Did you ever tell the owner you screwed over?

The OP didn't break any rules. And nobody got screwed over.

I disagree. This might fall under collusion, Especially (as the OP repeatedly has failed to report back with) if he didn't notify all owners including the one he would be facing in the finals this week but for his decision to notify an owner who was about to lose his game with his current lineup. Certainly as commish coupled with the fact that he is the next opponent, I think he had even more reason to remain impartial on the sideline. Like I have said before I don't think the OP acted with malfeaseance, I just think he needs to see why what he did was wrong so as to choose differently next time.

For a parallel this is more like seeing that a guy is so obviously pot committed that he can't fold to a raise that you blurt out "cmon man you HAVE to call with those pot odds" than saying what cards you had or a similar gaffe.

Ask yourself, how would a WCOFF commish handle this? I think you know the answer...

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Folks are really grasping at straws here. This is getting embarrassing.

It's like if you keep repeating "magic" enough you think you make a point or something

It's not my fault you're wrong.

IT'S MAGIC!!!!

No, I don't think it's magic that you're wrong, I think you just haven't put enough thought into it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Orly? You aren't helping him with lineup calls? Absent your call he plays Ap and loses. With your call he plays knox and wins. You didn't help him?

Love to hear how you rationalize that...

Helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you have Peterson in your lineup. He's facing a pretty tough rush D tonight, while Knox's targets have been trending up the past three weeks in a row and he's going up against a depleted secondary. I'd probably start Knox."

NotAlso helping with a lineup call: "Hey man, I see you still have Peterson in your lineup - don't know if you saw this, but he was just declared inactive for tonight's game and won't be playing. Just a heads up."

HTH

That's not is helping with a lineup call. No one should needs help deciding whether or not they should start an inactive RB over an active WR anyone on their roster.

Fixed.