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On the other hand, you've put a ton of thought into your horrible and incorrect position? My sympathy to your family.No, I don't think it's magic that you're wrong, I think you just haven't put enough thought into it.IT'S MAGIC!!!!It's not my fault you're wrong.
To make your analogy more accurate, all hole cards would have to be shown on ESPN so everyone could see them and people would be talking back and forth to players A and B about the game and everything else. In other words, not really the same thing at all.
That's fine. Then don't do it "as the commish"; do it as an owner. Or hell, don't do it.Put this topic in a pole on my leagues website. 14 team league.I asked if I as the commish should call other owners to warn them of player being ruled out for a playoff game that I am not a participant in.12 said no, 2 yes.
I would be interested to know what the results would be if it was "any owner" warning another. It shouldn't matter if it was the commish or not. The information was available to anyone.Put this topic in a pole on my leagues website. 14 team league.I asked if I as the commish should call other owners to warn them of player being ruled out for a playoff game that I am not a participant in.12 said no, 2 yes.
I have never heard of fantasy poker until just now, but if the scenario in bold in still analagous to what went down in the OP, it would be unethical as well.
Do they use pretend money to pay off the winners as well?
good question . . .
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not true. There are many situations in life where a few 1000.00 can mean life or death. If you are allowed to go to absurd extremes so am I. You don't know why this guy needs his money, nor should you care.Actually that's exactly what you are saying... And those of you on the wrong side of this issue are actually the ones being "over dramatic", because at the end of the day this is "fantasy football". It's not real, no one is going to live or die based on its results, and its apparent that you are willing to engage in situational ethics based upon your enthusiasm for "magic" or "fantasy" football.You can whine and cry all you want about the money, it doesn't make your argument any more valid because of the dollar amount attached to it...Come on- it takes two minutes to check the inactives list. Its not like I am saying dont pay any attention to your water heater or kid. Im saying take two damn minutes to look it up yourself.Over dramatic much?My league payouts are in the thousands of dollars. That still doesn't take precedence over a broken water heater (which can cause thousands of dollars in damage), a deadline at work (which pays me many times more than I could ever win in a fantasy league each year), or a sick kid (which you can't possibly put a price tag on).
Like I said, priorities. If a $2,000 magic football jackpot is really the most important thing going on in your life, then there's definitely going to be a disconnect. Even if it is the most important thing for you, it's shouldn't be too hard to understand that for most people, it isn't.
No it's not. It's fantastic. DM's is better than as it currently stands as my "you have to call that" assumes a public commentary. Since the OP has been mum on this methinks he realizes this might piss off people and is staying quiet, making DM's whispering analogy better.
oh u mean it would have been easy for this guy to manage his team if he wanted to? But I thought he was paying his water bill.I'm pretty sure Joe Bryant has a free mailing list.
This guy was surfing porn at work and just didn't truly care enough to follow the news. He shouldn't get extra help managing his team.
I agree.Stumbled upon this after it was posted in the FFAThe problem I have with the poker analogy is that people are assuming that it is the commish who knows the info only. While in reality it is one of the players playing heads up, the commish and everyone else in the casino that knows the info also.8 Pages into it and I don't need to read any more.
If only this were true. Unfortunately for you, it's not. If the OP was not the commish, he would not have even started this thread.
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Though I'm a "young guy" without any significant real world priorities or responsibilities and think that was a bit of a cheap shot to the other side. Still, I wouldn't want to play in a league where someone would throw a hissy fit over this. If you lost over this it's not because of anything the commish did...it's because your team wasn't good enough. Next year spend less time hoping for a miracle and more time trading for players that don't fizzle out in week 15.
you and Gianmarco and damn near the same for our purposes here. Point is it illustrates he wasn't being arrested on a bogus warrant, being held by terrorists, racing to the hospital to donate a kidney etc. He was dicking around at work, just like many of us do all the time. There is no reason that he shouldn't have set a reminder to check inactives lists, with a guy who had missed time in 2 straight games and was QUE to play. That you (GM et al) felt incumbent to alert him of this is what a co-owner does, not a commish, and certainly not a competitor.Like I said waay back on ps 2 (though was anothers idea) IF you have any desire to do this the LEAST you do is call the guy he is playing and leave it up to him, as it's his game, his money and where HIS ethics/moral/ideas about the inherent value of what FF is etc matter NOT YOURS.Why is this so hard to grasp?What does him knowing when MNF starts have to do with anything? You seem to be having a really hard time with the comprehension here. I'm happy for you that you apparently get to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it, but unfortunately for most people that isn't the case, especially when the thing they want to do is something relatively unimportant like managing their magic football team.Screw a 'smart owner', A mediocre owner knows to check his lineups about an hour before kickoff. And LOL at Ig E's "he was on PST and had no idea what was going on" Like he hasn't lived in the Pacific Timezone all year to know when MNF is.
Not that this will be news to you, but that is a good analogy. And it would be equally intrusive.
I love the fact you're still on this one. It's ok for a regular owner to do this but the moment someone with the commish title does it it's a national outrage? You're too paranoid about any perceived bias on the commish's part. SHOULD the commish do this? No. It's not their responsibility. CAN any owner do this? Yes. It's not a big deal in the least. If the commish went in and changed the lineup for the owner that would be a huge problem. He didn't. This is a non issue.And the poker analogy is one of the worst analogies I've seen on fbg's in a long while. It's laughably bad.
You are all focusing on the red herring. It's not about WHAT he tells him, as much as it is THAT he tells him anything. There is a reason that no poker tournaments allow 'coaching during a hand' Because it helps and affects outcomes of pots/monies that are not rightfully your to interfere in.I agree.Stumbled upon this after it was posted in the FFAThe problem I have with the poker analogy is that people are assuming that it is the commish who knows the info only. While in reality it is one of the players playing heads up, the commish and everyone else in the casino that knows the info also.8 Pages into it and I don't need to read any more.
I think it is a matter of opinion.I felt like you a few years ago. Checking 100 times a day for injury news and inactives etc.Now I have two kids. One is 3 and the other is 1. I can set 900 reminders to check but there is still the possibility that I will be too busy with them. To say someone is dicking around at work and that he needs to set a reminder is silly IMOWhy is this so hard to grasp?
What about show one, show all. I dont see this as being any differentYou are all focusing on the red herring. It's not about WHAT he tells him, as much as it is THAT he tells him anything. There is a reason that no poker tournaments allow 'coaching during a hand' Because it helps and affects outcomes of pots/monies that are not rightfully your to interfere in.I agree.Stumbled upon this after it was posted in the FFAThe problem I have with the poker analogy is that people are assuming that it is the commish who knows the info only. While in reality it is one of the players playing heads up, the commish and everyone else in the casino that knows the info also.8 Pages into it and I don't need to read any more.
like i said earlier, if taking a zero is the main concern, then why not take out the variable? why not have a back up alternative set if any of your guys go inactive or get hurt? because its fricken lame, that's a variable we like in the game, we like that owners have to manage their teams to a point where something like that can happen. its a responsibility of the owner, otherwise we be playing best ball all the time.okay, lets flip the script. lets say that ADP was not in the guys lineup and he had some RB3 in, and ADP all of sudden was active and the guy notified the owner who then switched ADP in. no zero involved but he helped the manager make a line up decision with the information.either way its plain and simple, you respect the match up and if you must, notify the opponent so he can make the call himself if he sees fit. its not your call.this responsibility of the owner is basic bare minimum stuff for fantasy football, our league requires owners to be present on draft day or your out of the league. we have guys flying in from across the country to stay in, of course we have it on labor day weekend so people can make it.
I said earlier the owner should not have expected a call (nor should anyone expect one in the future). It just happened to be something the OP saw and he gave a heads up. If he happens to see something like in the future he'll do it again. But yes, the owner would have been stuck with a goose egg and I would have been okay with that. I'm also okay with what the commish did. I would NOT be okay with it if the commish made a habit of checking every lineup every week and giving everyone a heads up over every detail. But if you just happen to notice something, there's no harm whatsoever in sending a text and saying oh by the way...like i said earlier, if taking a zero is the main concern, then why not take out the variable? why not have a back up alternative set if any of your guys go inactive or get hurt? because its fricken lame, that's a variable we like in the game, we like that owners have to manage their teams to a point where something like that can happen. its a responsibility of the owner, otherwise we be playing best ball all the time.okay, lets flip the script. lets say that ADP was not in the guys lineup and he had some RB3 in, and ADP all of sudden was active and the guy notified the owner who then switched ADP in. no zero involved but he helped the manager make a line up decision with the information.either way its plain and simple, you respect the match up and if you must, notify the opponent so he can make the call himself if he sees fit. its not your call.this responsibility of the owner is basic bare minimum stuff for fantasy football, our league requires owners to be present on draft day or your out of the league. we have guys flying in from across the country to stay in, of course we have it on labor day weekend so people can make it.
So you're ticked off. Too bad. Field a better team next time. If ESPN info kicked your butt...your team wasn't that good. Would you feel "better" if it wasn't the commish, and just another owner who doesn't like you? Is it less of an offense to you?
I hope I'm not the only one who realizes how lame this sounds. If playing fantasy football is how you measure your manhood...welll, you're not much of a man.
like I said, if youre the commish, your holding the cash prize, and you want to maintain balance in the league, you don't help only certain teams manage their teams. I would choose the be objective and let the owners handle their stuff. The only advantage other owners have over me is influencing results, which I feel the commish shouldn't be doing anyways. That's why everyone should just respect the matchup and leave it up to the two owners and it keeps an even playing field.
WTH? I'm saying the commish shouldn't take an owner under his wing. Same goes for other owners, and I don't care what their motives are. I'd drop a league of mother hens in a heartbeat. I certainly don't expect other owners to look out for my interest. FF is a game that rewards attention and preparation. I guess if people want to take that out of the equation in their own leagues, so be it, have fun. I commish 2 leagues and I would never take it upon myself to save one owner from his ignorance, at the expense of another owner.
This is being excellent? Did I say I measure "manhood" by my ability to take ownership of my own FF team? Then taking it a step further that I'm not much of a man? Wow. Merry Christmas.
Whoa. That's a COMPLETELY difference scenario and I would never make that kind of call. I can't believe you don't see the difference between my situation and what you just described. Apples and oranges.However, I'll also add, if the guy called ME up and said "hey, should I keep this RB3 in or start ADP", I'd have no problem answering his advice if I felt like it. I have friends in leagues you ask those kinds of questions all the time. Just because I'm the commish doesn't mean I now all of a sudden can't help someone out if THEY ask. But I would never offer up that kind of suggestion on my own.
What about show one, show all. I dont see this as being any differentYou are all focusing on the red herring. It's not about WHAT he tells him, as much as it is THAT he tells him anything. There is a reason that no poker tournaments allow 'coaching during a hand' Because it helps and affects outcomes of pots/monies that are not rightfully your to interfere in.I agree.Stumbled upon this after it was posted in the FFAThe problem I have with the poker analogy is that people are assuming that it is the commish who knows the info only. While in reality it is one of the players playing heads up, the commish and everyone else in the casino that knows the info also.8 Pages into it and I don't need to read any more.
Yeah that has about nothing to do with the conversation we were having. If you'd like to fill the gaps in feel free.
I'd like to hear how it's different. He has Johny Knox starting for AP because of injury. All the other facts the same except that 1 hr before game time the news comes out that AP is playing and feels great. Do you A. call him and alert him of the news that ap is playing.B. tell him AP is playing and say he feels great.C. do you do nothing as that isn't your place.
Sure thing chief. This whole "big boy" shtick is incredibly lame. If the only way you can win is needing a miracle and fluke benching then you're not much of a BIG BOY. You may want to find an easier league next year instead of blaming the commish for the crappy squad you assembled.This is being excellent? Did I say I measure "manhood" by my ability to take ownership of my own FF team? Then taking it a step further that I'm not much of a man? Wow. Merry Christmas.
in a general sense it is the same, the commish oversaw his lineup for him and provided him with information to make the change, and it influenced the results. the only difference is the zero, and if thats the issue you should have an alternate backup player rule instilled in your league to help out your owners who need help.if the guy approaches the commish with a question thats fine, i'd answer questions if someone asked me too, but if the commish is taking it upon himself to help the guy manage his team (the guy did not approach him for help) thats different.now i know your situation is different in a way because afterwards the guy asked you to help change his lineup, so I'm talking general about commish's getting involved when not asked upon.gianmarco said:
Exactly. The analogies are going from bad to worse. There's a subtle but big difference in saying "Hey, Player X is guaranteed to score you 0" and, "I think Player X will score more points than Player Y". One statement is guaranteed, the other is speculative.The poker analogies fail because advice is being given either based on non-public knowledge (seeing hole cards), or personal experience and skill (your better knowledge of pot odds and statistics than everyone else). The closest poker analogy I can think of would be if everyone folded, and the last player was about to fold too, and someone reminded them that by folding, they were giving up a guaranteed pot. And even that's not perfect because the ground rules of poker are different than the ground rules of FF.This entire situation can be avoided by having a league rule state, to the effect of, "Every team must attempt to field a legal roster every week. Any active player that is (On Bye | Declared Inactive X Hours before Kickoff | Suspended | Name any other criteria you want) will be automatically replaced by another valid player on said owners' roster. The automatic selection process will be determined by (FBG Rankings | Your site rankings | Points scored Year to Date | Points scored last X games | Add your ranking mechanism)" This also takes care of absent owners, or owners that quit trying after they're mathematically eliminated.At the end of the day here, the only person hurt was the owner hoping to get a cheap win.gianmarco said:
You should cut down on caffeine or something. I'm not taking personal shots at you, so I expect the same courtousy. I'm not sure if you are truly under the impression this original post involves me in any way; it doesn't. I don't need a handicap. I don't need directions to a league for guys who rely on miracles and fluke. That's out of left field. Frankly I'd say being asleep at the wheel when your RB, who was on the injury report all week, is declared out falls a bit shy of a miracle or a fluke. Regardless, this post has nothing to do with me. But if a guy is starting an inactive RB, and has alternatives, that's 100% on him and he deserves the consequences. His opponent deserves the outcome of being the most prepared. End of story. Other than my use of "BIG BOY" which seems to have set you off on a tizzy, do you have a substantive response to my position that a FF owner should suffer his consequences from being inattentive? Why anyone would want to play in a FF league where the commissioner or other owners are saving an inattentive owner from himself is beyond me. If you take attention and decision out of the game, you might as well just take the highest positional scorers on a roster each week and forego setting starting lineups altogether.Dr. Awesome said:Sure thing chief. This whole "big boy" shtick is incredibly lame. If the only way you can win is needing a miracle and fluke benching then you're not much of a BIG BOY. You may want to find an easier league next year instead of blaming the commish for the crappy squad you assembled.BigJim® said:This is being excellent? Did I say I measure "manhood" by my ability to take ownership of my own FF team? Then taking it a step further that I'm not much of a man? Wow. Merry Christmas.Dr. Awesome said:BigJim® said:
Since you apparently can't win without being given such a handicap, I suggest you give this a go next year: http://www.girlsfantasyfootball.com/ It seems more your speed. Godspeed.
I think the problem is that some folks think only the commissioner should adhere to that kind of rule. Everyone else plays by a different standard. In the name of being "fair" they're being clearly unfair. Everyone should play by the same rules.The idea that "the commish shouldn't get involved in another team's games" makes a lot of sense on its face. But these folks don't realize they're taking it to an extreme where the commish doesn't even get to be a regular owner. He's not doing anything "as commissioner." He's acting like a regular owner, providing common knowledge anyone could provide. Because it's the commish, what is totally acceptable for anyone else becomes a high crime. I find that absurd. The commish is an owner, too. People forget that.
But the other 11 teams are free to do it, right?
Hipple said:You are all focusing on the red herring. It's not about WHAT he tells him, as much as it is THAT he tells him anything. There is a reason that no poker tournaments allow 'coaching during a hand' Because it helps and affects outcomes of pots/monies that are not rightfully your to interfere in.Dr. Doofenshmirtz said:I agree.Stumbled upon this after it was posted in the FFABaBastage said:8 Pages into it and I don't need to read any more.geoff8695 said:
The problem I have with the poker analogy is that people are assuming that it is the commish who knows the info only. While in reality it is one of the players playing heads up, the commish and everyone else in the casino that knows the info also.
No one wants to win a matchup against an owner who is a man down. But it happens, and the Commissioner should keep his nose out of it, especially if he's not involved in the matchup, and really if the outcome directly affects who he plays in the next game. here and I am still stuck in the net. 
