Should Mike Vick be a starting QB? (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

Vick just wins is also very flawed! This year he will be on 8-8

When Vick got hurt a couple of years ago the Falcons only had a pathetic Doug Johnson to take over..no wonder they lost. Had the Falcons had maybe a Gus Ferotte they would have been OK.

There is no doubt that Matt Schuab would step in now and make the Falcons more effective on offense. The game he stepped in he threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs (I know the Falcons lost that game) but Schuab gave his team the lead twice late in the game and the D did not hold it.

The problem the Falcons have is not dissimilar to the majority of other teams. Their QB, CURRENTLY, isn't good enough to lead them to a SB title without a LOT of help elsewhere [i.e., a great defense, solid running game]. Until Vick can change [or evolve or improve, choose the verb] his game enough to perform against top notch, disciplined defenses, the Falcons have an overpriced asset. But to say he can't or won't ever make that leap forward isnt' fair either.

Michael Vick is six months younger than Carson Palmer...let's not forget that.

However the note about Palmer isn't a factor in Vick's favor. In that six months Palmer is light years ahead of Vick as an NFL qb. To restate that is my biggest problem with Vick, he's not showing signs of progressing.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

To restate that is my biggest problem with Vick, he's not showing signs of progressing.

I'm not so sure the Falcons' current offense really suits him. This is not a "Vick is dumb" comment, but the Falcons' passing offense is very complicated and relies on having the QB make quick, accurate reads and post-snap adjustments -- and I really think that suits a Jeff Garcia type of QB better than it suits Michael Vick. Not that Vick can't eventually become a proficient passer in that offense, but I think he'd be more proficient right away in an offense that emphasized deeper drops and more vertical patterns. (Deeper drops would force the linebackers deeper themselves, which would also open up Vick's running lanes.)But Greg Knapp is probably a more accomplished offensive coordinator than I am, so what do I know. (Although the JV high school team I coached did average a league-best 37.5 points per game. )

 

[Jason Wood]

Vick just wins is also very flawed! This year he will be on 8-8

When Vick got hurt a couple of years ago the Falcons only had a pathetic Doug Johnson to take over..no wonder they lost. Had the Falcons had maybe a Gus Ferotte they would have been OK.

There is no doubt that Matt Schuab would step in now and make the Falcons more effective on offense.  The game he stepped in he threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs  (I know the Falcons lost that game)  but Schuab gave his team the lead twice late in the game and the D did not hold it.

The problem the Falcons have is not dissimilar to the majority of other teams. Their QB, CURRENTLY, isn't good enough to lead them to a SB title without a LOT of help elsewhere [i.e., a great defense, solid running game]. Until Vick can change [or evolve or improve, choose the verb] his game enough to perform against top notch, disciplined defenses, the Falcons have an overpriced asset. But to say he can't or won't ever make that leap forward isnt' fair either.

Michael Vick is six months younger than Carson Palmer...let's not forget that.

However the note about Palmer isn't a factor in Vick's favor. In that six months Palmer is light years ahead of Vick as an NFL qb. To restate that is my biggest problem with Vick, he's not showing signs of progressing.

I agree, to an extent. But to be fair, I think time will prove it was foolhardy to pigeon hole Vick into a WCO-style passing attack in the first place.

 

[Gr00vus]

I agree, to an extent. But to be fair, I think time will prove it was foolhardy to pigeon hole Vick into a WCO-style passing attack in the first place.

Absolutely - but then again you're going to present him with the challenge of learning a new system, even if it is more custom tailored to him. I'd be curious to see how he responds to that challenge. And it's still a strike against him that he himself couldn't find a way to make that scheme work for him after four years - again it cuts both ways.PS. Does the "west coast offense" really mean anything anymore? There are so many variations at this point it's hard to recognize except in the absolute broadest terms.

 

[bobspruill]

If you want to know why the Falcons aren't in the playoffs, look no further than the rush defense. Opponents averaged 4.59 yards per rushing attempt against the Falcons this year--a stinky 29th in the NFL.

So then the thing that's really been determining the Falcons' success or failure is the defense moreso than Vick? Interesting, that sounds like a familiar theory.......

Y'know, I used to like Vick, but you guys here have changed my mind. Forget the stats; forget the success the team has had since he's been there. I want Steve Bartkowski back, dammit.

 

[Marc Levin]

Whether Vick should be in the Pro Bowl is a legitimate question. It's close.

Whether Vick should be a starting QB is not close.

 

[Gr00vus]

If you want to know why the Falcons aren't in the playoffs, look no further than the rush defense. Opponents averaged 4.59 yards per rushing attempt against the Falcons this year--a stinky 29th in the NFL.

So then the thing that's really been determining the Falcons' success or failure is the defense moreso than Vick? Interesting, that sounds like a familiar theory.......

Y'know, I used to like Vick, but you guys here have changed my mind. Forget the stats; forget the success the team has had since he's been there. I want Steve Bartkowski back, dammit.

If we're talking about stats and success you should want Chris Chandler back. He did much more for the Falcons (both stats wise and success wise) than Michael Vick has done for them to date. Interesting, no?

 

[Da Guru]

Vick just wins is also very flawed! This year he will be on 8-8

When Vick got hurt a couple of years ago the Falcons only had a pathetic Doug Johnson to take over..no wonder they lost. Had the Falcons had maybe a Gus Ferotte they would have been OK.

There is no doubt that Matt Schuab would step in now and make the Falcons more effective on offense.  The game he stepped in he threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs  (I know the Falcons lost that game)  but Schuab gave his team the lead twice late in the game and the D did not hold it.

The problem the Falcons have is not dissimilar to the majority of other teams. Their QB, CURRENTLY, isn't good enough to lead them to a SB title without a LOT of help elsewhere [i.e., a great defense, solid running game]. Until Vick can change [or evolve or improve, choose the verb] his game enough to perform against top notch, disciplined defenses, the Falcons have an overpriced asset. But to say he can't or won't ever make that leap forward isnt' fair either.

Michael Vick is six months younger than Carson Palmer...let's not forget that.

I do agree that the WCO is probably the worst possible offense for Vick to be in, but that is what he is in. Mora is going to be there awhile, then when he gets fired Vick will have to learn another new offense. And Vick does not pick things up too quick. That is why I don`t think he will ever amount to more than he is right now.

However the note about Palmer isn't a factor in Vick's favor. In that six months Palmer is light years ahead of Vick as an NFL qb. To restate that is my biggest problem with Vick, he's not showing signs of progressing.

I agree, to an extent. But to be fair, I think time will prove it was foolhardy to pigeon hole Vick into a WCO-style passing attack in the first place.

 

[Rhino]

I’ve always thrown my hat in the “Micheal Vick is Overrated” camp, but I think this question is a pretty simple one. Of course, Michael Vick deserves to be a starting quarterback. With 32 teams in the NFL, at least five to ten teams regularly start a quarterback who is worse than Michael Vick. He obviously has enough talent and physical ability to play the position at the pro level.But then again, remember that Kyle Orton, Chris Sims, Alex Smith, Kyle Boller, and Brooks Bollinger all were “starting quarterbacks” in the NFL this season as well… so you don’t necessarily have to be as great as Micheal Vick to carry that distinction…

 

[fridayfrenzy]

To say Vick shouldn't be a starting QB in the NFL is beyond ridiculous....the guy has been on 3 Pro Bowl teams already, only after 5 seasons.

 

[BigRed]

changes the game before he even steps on the field, similar to Lawrence Taylor and Deion Sanders.

LMAO speaking of players highly overrated due to their popularity (which is itself a bizarro mystery)....lol @ the "great CB" who can't tackle, relies mostly on speed, and whose good but overrated cover skills have been exposed more than a few times in his career.

You are simply showing your ignorance.

ot kettle thing:

 

[BigRed]

Whether Vick should be in the Pro Bowl is a legitimate question. It's close.

Whether Vick should be a starting QB is not close.

LOL. Kyle Orton was the worst starting QB in the league this year.

Agree on both counts.Well you could make a case for a few other "worst" QBs, but he's up there.

 

[Da Guru]

After today I don`t know if vick should start, he looked horrible again. At least Schaub had the offense in sinc a little.

 

[Da Guru]

No one saw Vick stink it up again?

 

[omally]

No one saw Vick stink it up again?

He didn't look good. When teams can stop him from running, and stop the run in general, he has a hard time beating them with his arm.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Now that the season is complete and after evaluating his season Vick should still be considered a starting QB, but in no way shape or form does he deserve to go to the probowl this year. Probowl = overrated just like Vick.

 

[Texasmouth]

Tired of hearing about Vick. How long will it take this guy to get it together? -Cough- Kordell Stewart -Cough-

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Now that the season is complete and after evaluating his season Vick should still be considered a starting QB, but in no way shape or form does he deserve to go to the probowl this year.

Probowl = overrated just like Vick.

You have to look at what the competition was for the Pro Bowl in the NFC this year.Who is going to go instead of Vick?

Eli Manning....Drew Bledsoe....Mark Brunell

I don't think you can say Vick does not belong with such confiction because you could essentially have 3-5 QBs in for the Vick and Delhomme's spot.

Hass is the sure fire answer, but the other two could be swapped with anyone and people could make their case.

 

[KevT]

Brunell deserved the spot.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Brunell deserved the spot.

Exactly my point, and a case can be made for Eli Manning, Bledsoe, Delhomme, or Vick.There are no surefire picks this year, unlike with the AFC.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Now that the season is complete and after evaluating his season Vick should still be considered a starting QB, but in no way shape or form does he deserve to go to the probowl this year. 

Probowl = overrated just like Vick.

You have to look at what the competition was for the Pro Bowl in the NFC this year.Who is going to go instead of Vick?

Eli Manning....Drew Bledsoe....Mark Brunell

I don't think you can say Vick does not belong with such confiction because you could essentially have 3-5 QBs in for the Vick and Delhomme's spot.

Hass is the sure fire answer, but the other two could be swapped with anyone and people could make their case.

I agree that there were not sure fire picks, so you should take into account the QB's statistics and then how well their team did. In this instance Manning, Bledsoe and Brunell should have jumped over Vick.

 

[lod2005]

To say Vick shouldn't be a starting QB in the NFL is beyond ridiculous....the guy has been on 3 Pro Bowl teams already, only after 5 seasons.

Undeservingly in 2005.12th ranked passer in the NFC. Brunell and Bledsoe deserve it more. The guy is now blaming others for his incompetance no the football field.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reports with his overall production being inconsistent over the past few weeks, Falcons QB Michael Vick was asked if opposing teams had come up with the formula to limit his effectiveness, particularly rushing. Vick failed to gain a yard on one carry in Sunday's 44-11 loss to Carolina, which utilized former Georgia standout S Thomas Davis as a "spy" against Vick. "It's not just me. It's not just Mike Vick," Vick said. "I've got other players around me, other people around me, coaches who are supposed to do everything in their power to put everybody on offense in a better position. It's not just me."