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Should Peyton Manning get votes for the MVP Award (1 Viewer)

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Tony Reali

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Obviously this is an asinine question, but I don't think this situation has ever been seen before in the NFL. The team literally goes from a perennial playoff team to possibly winless in one year without him.

 
No.

MVP = Most Valuable Player

Peyton Manning hasn't been a player this season.

How can you be the Most Valuable Player of a season in which you weren't a player? :lol:

 
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Just because you add "asinine" into a stupid thread makes it valid? But to answer your question. Of course, he deserves the MVP. :hophead:

 
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'Ghost Rider said:
No.

MVP = Most Valuable Player

Peyton Manning hasn't been a player this season.

How can you be the Most Valuable Player of a season in which you weren't a player? :lol:
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Well, technically he's still a player - an NFLPA player, to be specific. He's just not playing.That said, yes this is a silly discussion - interesting, but silly.

Should he get the award? No.

Is he the most valuable player? Yes.

 
Tony got a hard time for asking but it IS kind of interesting.

I guess even a non-playing player can demonstrate his value by his absence.

So in that sense, I absolutely think Manning is the MVP. I think he has been for most every year the past decade (I understand they got to switch it up but in reality, how can you make a better case than Manning year in and year out?).

I can't think of any other team in the NFL that would fall apart as much as the Colts have without Peyton so its easy to see.

 
Obviously a healthy Peyton would have made them better, but I still don't think they would have been a playoff team this year. They were in decline IMO.

 
What value has he provided to his team this year? I guess you could argue he should be retroactively given the 2010 MVP award, but saying he is the most valuable player to his team in 2011 is completely nonsensical.

 
It would be dumb, but I wouldn't be against it because it would essentially be making up for all of the years he deserved it but didn't get it. I don't feel like looking back through every year, but all of those years where a RB got it are pretty laughable. A QB should get the award every year unless a player at another position is just absurdly dominant.

 
'timschochet said:
Obviously a healthy Peyton would have made them better, but I still don't think they would have been a playoff team this year. They were in decline IMO.
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They would have easily won the AFC South if Manning was playing for the colts. The colts knew they were done the minute Manning didn't step onto the field. They fought hard for the first few games to prove to everyone that the colts were more than just Peyton Manning but reality has set in and they are 0-10. Even if Manning didn't play well for the colts, that team would still believe they could win games and make the playoffs. He is the leader of the Colts and without him they are just a bunch of individuals. Maybe if the Colts had a great head coach to look to or someone they believed in things would have turned out differently but it's pretty clear that Manning is the Colts. The colts could never run the ball well, could never stop the run, and were undersized on defense because they were built to play with the lead and use there great edge rushers. Manning made this whole thing work because he helped to mask all of these problems. Have you looked at the AFC South recently? The titans and jaguars suck and Matt Lienart is now the starter for the texans. Your nuts if you think the colts wouldn't have made the playoffs.
 
'Assani Fisher said:
It would be dumb, but I wouldn't be against it because it would essentially be making up for all of the years he deserved it but didn't get it. I don't feel like looking back through every year, but all of those years where a RB got it are pretty laughable. A QB should get the award every year unless a player at another position is just absurdly dominant.
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The only RB to win MVP in the past 10 years were Shaun Alexander and LT. The year Tomlinson won, he scored as many passes as Manning threw (31). And LT threw 2 TD passes on top of that.
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Assani Fisher said:
It would be dumb, but I wouldn't be against it because it would essentially be making up for all of the years he deserved it but didn't get it. I don't feel like looking back through every year, but all of those years where a RB got it are pretty laughable. A QB should get the award every year unless a player at another position is just absurdly dominant.
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The only RB to win MVP in the past 10 years were Shaun Alexander and LT. The year Tomlinson won, he scored as many passes as Manning threw (31). And LT threw 2 TD passes on top of that.
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Pretty sure they both also set NFL records for TDs as well. I remember Priest Holmes doing the same and getting snubbed - may have been Mannings 49 TD year.edit: Oh and Chris Johnson set a record - first player to ever rush for 2k and not get a single MVP vote.And I would have given Randy Moss the award in '07 ahead of Brady as well.
 
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'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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He's obviously a great player, but his apparent value is being inflated by the fact that the Colts couldn't be bothered to have a competent backup in place.
 
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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He's obviously a great player, but his apparent value is being inflated by the fact that the Colts couldn't be bothered to have a competent backup in place.
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Having a competent backup is a lot easier said than done, especially considering how many teams don't even have a competent starter. You don't think the Colts tried?
 
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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He's obviously a great player, but his apparent value is being inflated by the fact that the Colts couldn't be bothered to have a competent backup in place.
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why would a team tanking on purpose get a competent backup? the offense is full of mediocre players (maybe except wayne) who manning made look great. the could have easily picked up orton and put him out there and even he would be better than painter, but they didn't because their season is done and they want Luck. you didn't even think it was a little odd they didn't claim him? tanking at its finest, yet their only punishment is getting the most highly touted QB since... THEIR LAST QB.i hope he busts. hard. just because the colts are a disgrace to the NFL
 
'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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No, he provides essentially zero value to his team unless and until he actually plays again. Looks like he provided lots of value in 2010. We are talking about the 2011 season though. Why is this so hard?
 
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'Reepicheep said:
'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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No, he provides essentially zero value to his team unless and until he actually plays again. Looks like he provided lots of value in 2010. We are talking about the 2011 season though. Why is this so hard?
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Wow, cannot believe all the people here taking the question seriously. Why is this hard?
 
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No.

But Curtis Painter may get votes in "saddest excuse for a 2nd string QB ever" category... that's a fair argument.

 
'One More Rep said:
I do think it shows how good Manning is. I think the Colts would at least be in the playoff picture with Manning.
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Right. I think we can say in hindsight that Peyton has almost certainly been the most valuable player to his team over the past decade, and thus is deserving of more than the 4 MVP's he has earned in that span.But that's it. The answer to the question asked by the OP is a resounding NO.
 
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I think the Colts play w/o Manning is an embarrassing indictment of just how this badly this organization has whiffed at addressing the back-up QB position.

Not only is Painter apparently lacking an NFL-skillset, but he looks to be completely unprepared on a weekly basis.

 
'Reepicheep said:
'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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No, he provides essentially zero value to his team unless and until he actually plays again. Looks like he provided lots of value in 2010. We are talking about the 2011 season though. Why is this so hard?
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I think you are misinterpreting what 'value' is. It's not about actual, current contribution to a bottom line.I have a nice car sitting in my garage. Is it actually providing value to my household? No. Will there be more presents under the tree, because of it's value? No. Is it valuable. Yes.
 
'Grigs Allmoon said:
'Reepicheep said:
'Tony Reali said:
y'all mad as hell. okay maybe he won't actually win the award, but i do think he's the most valuable to his team
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No, he provides essentially zero value to his team unless and until he actually plays again. Looks like he provided lots of value in 2010. We are talking about the 2011 season though. Why is this so hard?
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I think you are misinterpreting what 'value' is. It's not about actual, current contribution to a bottom line.I have a nice car sitting in my garage. Is it actually providing value to my household? No. Will there be more presents under the tree, because of it's value? No. Is it valuable. Yes.
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Yes, it is about actual, current contribution. That's why they put a date on the award. And speaking of value and it's various interpretations, I actually wish they would just change e name of the award to something like Most Outstanding Player or go back to Player of the Year because these annual arguments about value get tiresome.
 
Let's try this another way. So far this year, I have contributed as much to the Colts as Peyton Manning has. Maybe we should be co-MVPs.

 
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