Should teams be allowed to trade this week and trade back next week? (1 Viewer)

[-Crippler-]

common sense says this should not be allowed

 

[shadow2k]

By definition it's most certainly not collusion.

can you explain that?

Collusion

Applying a dictionary or legal definition to a fantasy football league is totally missing the point.

Are you serious?

Are you supposed to just make up new definitions for words in FF?

I think the point is that the dictionary definition is defined by "secretive". If I tell everyone in my league that I'm going to trade all my scrubs for another teams stars, and then we're going to share the pot at the end when I win it...is that ok? According to the dictionary, it's not collusion because we came right out and told everyone.

 

[Varmint]

By definition it's most certainly not collusion.

can you explain that?

Collusion

Applying a dictionary or legal definition to a fantasy football league is totally missing the point.

Are you serious?

Are you supposed to just make up new definitions for words in FF?

I think the point is that the dictionary definition is defined by "secretive". If I tell everyone in my league that I'm going to trade all my scrubs for another teams stars, and then we're going to share the pot at the end when I win it...is that ok? According to the dictionary, it's not collusion because we came right out and told everyone.

No problem...as long as the league is allowed to vote on it after they've been told.

 

[Jimmy James]

when 2 teams trade aren't they always each trying to benefit?if a trade benefits both teams is that collusion?

Because when 2 teams pull off a trade and agree to trade back later...it isn't always in the best interest of BOTH teams.Just who will decide that the trade benefits BOTH teams when in reality, it is nothing more than a trade to benefit a buddy who needs to fill a hole during a bye week? Why open that can of worms?Ricochet trades are collusion....no doubt.

Why open that can of worms? Fine. Why open the can of worms that any trading creates? You have the same "who decides" issue, which is clear from the number of controversial trades that happen in leagues each and every year. I think it's fine to specifically ban this sort of trading, but it shouldn't just be labeled collusion in absence of such a ban. It should be evaluated just like any other trading situation.

 

[Judge Smails]

No brainer - this should not be allowed and is absolute collusion.

 

[Jimmy James]

Yeah..sure...this happens ALL the time in the NFL...

"Hey...Denver...You guys aren't using Simeone Rice this week and we need him to help out until Javon feels better. How 'bout we trade for a week? What could it hurt? We're in a different division and you DO want us to beat KC...don't you? Don't sweat it....We'll trade back right after this game....bueno?

Happens all the time....

Players also don't go to different teams each and every year in the NFL. Do you want to ban the redraft league because the NFL doesn't do it that way? In the NFL, players don't go somewhere else to play on bye weeks for several good reasons. The top reason is that virtually every player is worn out by the bye and needs a break. That's closely followed by the danger of injury. Given the *fantasy* nature of *fantasy* football, neither one of these things is a huge concern in your *fantasy* league. That's why it's different.

 

[Black]

Roster sharing is collusion, no matter how much gray area people try to establish. It's bull#### and can ruin a league.

I think this is only actually allowed in Utah, common in Mormon FFLeagues..

 

[Jimmy James]

To those who say this is collusion because it's a secretive agreement, I'd love to know how you make that claim but determine that trading in general is any different. Do people in your leagues discuss all trades in the open, subjecting every part of any negotiation under league-wide scrutiny? If not, I'm not at all sure how it's any different. You can call it "common sense" or a "no brainer" if you like, but that's not the sort of reasoned analysis I'm looking for.

 

[coolnerd]

By definition it's most certainly not collusion.

can you explain that?

Collusion

Applying a dictionary or legal definition to a fantasy football league is totally missing the point.

Are you serious?

Are you supposed to just make up new definitions for words in FF?

Yes, does the phrase league rules confuse you? Ever try to pin down what a dynasty league is? Colusion is defined not only by fantasy football, but by each individual league separately. Or did you not read the other 50-60 posts in this thread? I will listen to an argument that says the OP's league did not bother to define what colusion is, so the trade is fine. Honestly, not sure how to explain to you that a group of people may choose to define a word differently than how the dictionary does. Maybe start with the concepts of connotation or denotion.

 

[trogg78]

No Tradebacks!....123...you farted!

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

By definition it's most certainly not collusion.

can you explain that?

Collusion

Applying a dictionary or legal definition to a fantasy football league is totally missing the point.

Are you serious?

Are you supposed to just make up new definitions for words in FF?

Yes, does the phrase league rules confuse you? Ever try to pin down what a dynasty league is? Colusion is defined not only by fantasy football, but by each individual league separately. Or did you not read the other 50-60 posts in this thread? I will listen to an argument that says the OP's league did not bother to define what colusion is, so the trade is fine. Honestly, not sure how to explain to you that a group of people may choose to define a word differently than how the dictionary does. Maybe start with the concepts of connotation or denotion.

What does the phrase "league rules" have to do with the definition of a word?If you have well written rules then they should read something like "collusion, ..., ..., ..., and any act deemed detrimental to league integrity by the commissioner are prohibited (or whatever)."

It should not be: "Collusion" is defined as conspiring to intentionally make a lop sided trade with another team, or trading with another team with the intent of trading the same players back the following week, or trading a good player you don't really need to a team that needs that player who happens to play a team you don't like, or not starting you best lineup because you are out of the playoffs, and the team you are playing gave you $5 to throw the game, or ..., or ..., or intentionally losing a game after you make the playoffs, because you think losing the game will give you a better playoff matchup. Collusion is not allowed.

Once again, I don't think this is a good thing to allow. I just happened to mention people were falsely calling this collusion.