Should the Commish get a free ride? (1 Viewer)

[Your Mom]

The Commish in my local 12 owner $$ league is the founder as well. He has never paid the $200 entry fee and every year owners break his balls about it...

...and every year he finds the time (most of the time!) to hammer out an in depth weekly newsletter, post daily updates to our MFL site, pay the MFL fee, call owners to nail down a draft date, host the draft(over his wifes protests), spring for the food and some beer, rent a tent if need be, engrave the trophy (that he bought), and serve as wet nurse for the owners.

Fee paid in my book.

I agree and the other owners should trade places with him and they wont bust his balls again.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

 

[thayman]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

 

[T Man]

In casual leagues for little money, I say yes - which is why I vote that way. While I am not a commish in any of my leagues, I know it is a big headache. Waiving a $25-$50 fee for someone other then me to take on that headache is warranted.

However in BIG MONEY leagues I would say no. If the cost to play is $100 or more I would say NO. Maybe a reduced fee or even a small credit of some sort, but no waiver.

 

[Chaka]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

 

[RC94]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

OK, maybe English isn't your first language (or you responded without reading my post) so I'll try again. I'm not a commissioner. I wouldn't want that job. In fact, I have been clear that I respect their efforts BECAUSE I wouldn't want to do it myself. Now that about 50% of your post is moot, I'll happily address the other half.

If you think that all commissioners do is point-and-click to a Web site, you have one of two problems. You either have no idea what a commissioner does to keep your league running, or you only participate in apathetic leagues where the commish really does just point-and-click.

Commissioners are easily replaced. GOOD commissioners are very difficult to replace. Perhaps I have this attitude about commissioners because I've been lucky enough to participate in very fun leagues where the commissioner's effort really shows. If you've spent all your time in casual leagues where everybody has a just-another-league attitude, I can see why the job of commissioner doesn't seem as valuable to you.

The best leagues are the ones with an active commissioner who goes above and beyond to make the experience fun for everyone. And although you can love your 9-to-5 job, you probably still appreciate that paycheck. While many commissioners don't expect anything I think it's completely appropriate to offer the commissioner a free entry, or a discount if it's a high dollar amount. In fact, it should be standard.

To imply that it would take no time to find a replecement shows that you haven't given it much thought (because a good commissioner has always done it all for you), or you have a strange sense of entitlement as a fantasy owner. In either case, I encourage you to either show more appreciation to the person who works hard to provide an experience you enjoy, or seek out a league with just such a person.

 

[blake]

Sorry I voted yes before reading the whole post.

Small league fee's like $5-$25 should be covered by the rest of the league, but $300.00... Yeah he pays

 

[blake]

I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

another

 

[roadkill1292]

I think a few of you may underestimate the amount of unwillingness to take on the job. There would be precious few volunteers in my local league and I've actually been asked to commish a league I didn't belong to because it had so many problems with its "rotating commissioner" policy.

Again, I enjoy the work and take no fee. But if you haven't commished before, try to walk a mile in a commissioner's shoes before you minimize what he does to keep things organized.

 

[Chaka]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

OK, maybe English isn't your first language (or you responded without reading my post) so I'll try again. I'm not a commissioner. I wouldn't want that job. In fact, I have been clear that I respect their efforts BECAUSE I wouldn't want to do it myself. Now that about 50% of your post is moot, I'll happily address the other half.

If you think that all commissioners do is point-and-click to a Web site, you have one of two problems. You either have no idea what a commissioner does to keep your league running, or you only participate in apathetic leagues where the commish really does just point-and-click.

Commissioners are easily replaced. GOOD commissioners are very difficult to replace. Perhaps I have this attitude about commissioners because I've been lucky enough to participate in very fun leagues where the commissioner's effort really shows. If you've spent all your time in casual leagues where everybody has a just-another-league attitude, I can see why the job of commissioner doesn't seem as valuable to you.

The best leagues are the ones with an active commissioner who goes above and beyond to make the experience fun for everyone. And although you can love your 9-to-5 job, you probably still appreciate that paycheck. While many commissioners don't expect anything I think it's completely appropriate to offer the commissioner a free entry, or a discount if it's a high dollar amount. In fact, it should be standard.

To imply that it would take no time to find a replecement shows that you haven't given it much thought (because a good commissioner has always done it all for you), or you have a strange sense of entitlement as a fantasy owner. In either case, I encourage you to either show more appreciation to the person who works hard to provide an experience you enjoy, or seek out a league with just such a person.

You got me. I forgot you were not a commissioner. My bad. The point still applies even if the jab didn't.I am not truly disputing your points about what is a good commissioner, and you are dead wrong in your assessment of my league or my commitment to it. Since you have only been here a week I guess I shouldn't expect you to know that. My point is that if you are in any league that's worth being in then there are multiple people who could take over the role of commissioner almost seamlessley. It is NOT a difficult position to hold and be good at. And the bottom line is the commish, in every league I know, the commish is a volunteer position.

For people in leagues with unreliable or apathetic or despotic commissioners/owners I have no sympathy.

 

[Chaka]

I think a few of you may underestimate the amount of unwillingness to take on the job. There would be precious few volunteers in my local league and I've actually been asked to commish a league I didn't belong to because it had so many problems with its "rotating commissioner" policy.

Again, I enjoy the work and take no fee. But if you haven't commished before, try to walk a mile in a commissioner's shoes before you minimize what he does to keep things organized.

I never said I haven't.

 

[GregR_2]

Didn't really read the thread, but I think the commish should get some consideration. Now $300 worth of consideration is probably overdoing it in my mind. I could easily see cutting him a $25 discount though.

Edit to add: I know that I've taken hits on my team's quality because of being commish. A commish should keep their actions above reproach, and sometimes that can mean taking one for the team to avoid giving reason for anyone to doubt your integrity.

 

[Chaka]

Didn't really read the thread, but I think the commish should get some consideration. Now $300 worth of consideration is probably overdoing it in my mind. I could easily see cutting him a $25 discount though.

Edit to add: I know that I've taken hits on my team's quality because of being commish. A commish should keep their actions above reproach, and sometimes that can mean taking one for the team to avoid giving reason for anyone to doubt your integrity.

This is a great point be. And the good ones do.Kicking them $25-50 (of $300) I can see, but they still knew the job was dangerous when they took it.

 

[glock]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

OK, maybe English isn't your first language (or you responded without reading my post) so I'll try again. I'm not a commissioner. I wouldn't want that job. In fact, I have been clear that I respect their efforts BECAUSE I wouldn't want to do it myself. Now that about 50% of your post is moot, I'll happily address the other half.

If you think that all commissioners do is point-and-click to a Web site, you have one of two problems. You either have no idea what a commissioner does to keep your league running, or you only participate in apathetic leagues where the commish really does just point-and-click.

Commissioners are easily replaced. GOOD commissioners are very difficult to replace. Perhaps I have this attitude about commissioners because I've been lucky enough to participate in very fun leagues where the commissioner's effort really shows. If you've spent all your time in casual leagues where everybody has a just-another-league attitude, I can see why the job of commissioner doesn't seem as valuable to you.

The best leagues are the ones with an active commissioner who goes above and beyond to make the experience fun for everyone. And although you can love your 9-to-5 job, you probably still appreciate that paycheck. While many commissioners don't expect anything I think it's completely appropriate to offer the commissioner a free entry, or a discount if it's a high dollar amount. In fact, it should be standard.

To imply that it would take no time to find a replecement shows that you haven't given it much thought (because a good commissioner has always done it all for you), or you have a strange sense of entitlement as a fantasy owner. In either case, I encourage you to either show more appreciation to the person who works hard to provide an experience you enjoy, or seek out a league with just such a person.

Thank you.

Our $$ league rocks because the Commish does. When he gets overwhelmed at work and still manages a pedestrian (by his standard) newsletter, updates and photos one week, the league feels it.

Thankfully, he manages to keep those weeks to a minimum.

 

[glock]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

OK, maybe English isn't your first language (or you responded without reading my post) so I'll try again. I'm not a commissioner. I wouldn't want that job. In fact, I have been clear that I respect their efforts BECAUSE I wouldn't want to do it myself. Now that about 50% of your post is moot, I'll happily address the other half.

If you think that all commissioners do is point-and-click to a Web site, you have one of two problems. You either have no idea what a commissioner does to keep your league running, or you only participate in apathetic leagues where the commish really does just point-and-click.

Commissioners are easily replaced. GOOD commissioners are very difficult to replace. Perhaps I have this attitude about commissioners because I've been lucky enough to participate in very fun leagues where the commissioner's effort really shows. If you've spent all your time in casual leagues where everybody has a just-another-league attitude, I can see why the job of commissioner doesn't seem as valuable to you.

The best leagues are the ones with an active commissioner who goes above and beyond to make the experience fun for everyone. And although you can love your 9-to-5 job, you probably still appreciate that paycheck. While many commissioners don't expect anything I think it's completely appropriate to offer the commissioner a free entry, or a discount if it's a high dollar amount. In fact, it should be standard.

To imply that it would take no time to find a replecement shows that you haven't given it much thought (because a good commissioner has always done it all for you), or you have a strange sense of entitlement as a fantasy owner. In either case, I encourage you to either show more appreciation to the person who works hard to provide an experience you enjoy, or seek out a league with just such a person.

You got me. I forgot you were not a commissioner. My bad. The point still applies even if the jab didn't.I am not truly disputing your points about what is a good commissioner, and you are dead wrong in your assessment of my league or my commitment to it. Since you have only been here a week I guess I shouldn't expect you to know that. My point is that if you are in any league that's worth being in then there are multiple people who could take over the role of commissioner almost seamlessley. It is NOT a difficult position to hold and be good at. And the bottom line is the commish, in every league I know, the commish is a volunteer position.

For people in leagues with unreliable or apathetic or despotic commissioners/owners I have no sympathy.

So in your opinion, just any one of the other owners could pick up where the last commish left off? Sorry to hear that. Our Commish' style is the league. Several of our owners are in a league "run" by an owner who left a few years back. "His" league copied the bylaws and scoring in totality. One of the other owners in that league -who is also in ours- makes an attempt to throw down a few words in a newsletter every week, but it just isn't his schtick. He tells me that this copycat league blows, but he is in it for another potential payout.

Sad.

 

[Buckna]

So does this guy make everyone pay their $300 league fee upfront? If so, you're talking about over 3 grand sitting around in this dude's account for 4-5 months. This guy is getting paid to be commish!

Being a commish is a thankless and time consuming job, but it all depends on the league. Some commish's go thru a lot of trouble and work and in those leagues I'm sure most owners are cool with giving the commish a break, others point and click and that's about it.

I don't care what this guy is doing, a $300 free ride is way too much compensation. Unless the league is full of guppy's I would probably quit.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'd find another league to play in if I were you.

I don't know if I'd do that - nice money available in a 300 dollar league even w/o the commish paying in. Esp. if you otherwise like the league It is unfair, but it's still sweet to snag big money.

With such a big pool of money, are there weekly prizes and other ways to recover some of your pay-in fee? Like a "making the playoffs" bonus of 50 bucks back or some such? Those prizes should be UNAVAILABLE to the commish - and if he is the winner of one of those prizes, the money he woulda won should go into the Super Bowl winner's pot or into a fund for a party for the league or something.

If not, I'd make that an issue as well - if the commish plays for free, the rest of the league should have a chance to hedge their pay-in fee even if they don't win the overall prize. At least you have a CHANCE to play for free with weekly in-season prizes.

Yeah.. the money is definitely nice. There are weekly payouts of $75 each to the High Scorer. It also pays out the Top 3 places. Last year we brought in about $800 with a 2nd place finish + a couple weeklies.The commish finished out of the money. Not sure on weeklies though...

I'm not sure if he pays the league owners back their share of the $300 if he wins. I'm going to find out though.

he should mandatorily finish OUT Of those weekly prizes as well - I would definitely raise that issue.If he gets a chance at weekly prizes, he should have to pay the entry fee in full.

 

[Marc Levin]

If the commish is collecting the fees, especially in a dynasty league, I asume that he has enough financial sense to put the money in some sort of interest bearing account what is separate from his regular funds. Most of the dynasty leagues I play in the fees are collected in before the NFL draft, so let's argue April. He does not have to pay out these out until December. That's 8 months of interest that I have never seen another player ask about. for me the interest collected is his payment for whatever headaches he has a commish. He needs to pay just like everyone else.

with 300 per person, that makes a tiny amoujt of sense - for 100 and less leagues, c'mon, the interest is minimal.IMO, a small percentage of everyone's league fees (2-5%) is reasonable as payment to the commissioner.

 

[Marc Levin]

So does this guy make everyone pay their $300 league fee upfront? If so, you're talking about over 3 grand sitting around in this dude's account for 4-5 months. This guy is getting paid to be commish!

Being a commish is a thankless and time consuming job, but it all depends on the league. Some commish's go thru a lot of trouble and work and in those leagues I'm sure most owners are cool with giving the commish a break, others point and click and that's about it.

I don't care what this guy is doing, a $300 free ride is way too much compensation. Unless the league is full of guppy's I would probably quit.

I've been Commish for ten years in my league and always paid HALF of the entry fee...this year it is at $250, so I'll pay $ 125.no complaints ever from anyone in our league. I set up the draft, secure the draft board and paper handouts for the draft....write a huge column everyweek that takes me about 2-3 hours on Tues. night about the week's games, input all trades and set playoff schedules....and set up the year end party. Distribute CASH and have trophy engraved at the end yearly.

A discount is not too much to ask for....but a full free ride is a no no

good example.250 bucks times 5% = 12.50 times the 11 other owners in the league = 137.50 - that shoudl be your maximum fee as commish.

none of the owners get hurt, all the owners pay, commish gets a break on the entry fee.

 

[coolnerd]

If the commish is collecting the fees, especially in a dynasty league, I asume that he has enough financial sense to put the money in some sort of interest bearing account what is separate from his regular funds.  Most of the dynasty leagues I play in the fees are collected in before the NFL draft, so let's argue April.  He does not have to pay out these out until December.  That's 8  months of interest that I have never seen another player ask about. for me the interest collected is his payment for whatever headaches he has a commish.  He needs to pay just like everyone else.

with 300 per person, that makes a tiny amoujt of sense - for 100 and less leagues, c'mon, the interest is minimal.IMO, a small percentage of everyone's league fees (2-5%) is reasonable as payment to the commissioner.

Honestly, what's the difference than my example. It is pretty easy to walk to down nearly any bank and drop the money 2% saving account or if you desire find a 6 month Cd paying around 5%. The same amount of money is going to commish no matter what.

 

[Marc Levin]

If the commish is collecting the fees, especially in a dynasty league, I asume that he has enough financial sense to put the money in some sort of interest bearing account what is separate from his regular funds.  Most of the dynasty leagues I play in the fees are collected in before the NFL draft, so let's argue April.  He does not have to pay out these out until December.  That's 8  months of interest that I have never seen another player ask about. for me the interest collected is his payment for whatever headaches he has a commish.  He needs to pay just like everyone else.

with 300 per person, that makes a tiny amoujt of sense - for 100 and less leagues, c'mon, the interest is minimal.IMO, a small percentage of everyone's league fees (2-5%) is reasonable as payment to the commissioner.

Honestly, what's the difference than my example. It is pretty easy to walk to down nearly any bank and drop the money 2% saving account or if you desire find a 6 month Cd paying around 5%. The same amount of money is going to commish no matter what.

Hmmm.Never thought about it that way.

6-mo. CD is the way to go.

 

[Chaka]

No free rides.

I hate it when league commissioners act like they are doing their league a grand service at great personal sacrifice when we all know that it would take all of four seconds to find a willing and capable replacement from among the current owners.

If you can't handle the duties of the commish then don't take the job.

They are doing the league a grand service-- a service that nobody else is doing, either. Strangely enough, the open positions of "complainer" seem to get filled every year. I'm sure you could take "four seconds" to run a league...and it would be a crappy league that nobody would really care about. One of those leagues where it's nobody's "main league" but people agree to field a team for a few weeks and see how it goes. Then people start dropping out because nobody really cares.

The commissioner keeps the league running. Bad leagues have bad commissioners; good leagues have good commissioners. They can't do it alone, of course. Every owner can take pride in a good league.

But it all starts at the top. At least you got it right when you called it a "job." Bad pay and no benefits in many leagues, but it's still a job. And it's one I'd never volunteer for, even though I'm glad somebody does it.

I wonder how much you tip the Commish when you win the league.

Oh please....I appreciate what any Commish does in a league but give me a break, and I'm completely on board with Chaka if a Commish in ANY of my leauges wants to quit, I won't lose a wink of sleep, a perfectly capable replacement can be found quite easily.

No kidding.Save your crocodile tears Neil, this is not rocket science. Most commishes offer to take the job because they want (WANT) to be in control. It is sheer arrogance on your part to imply that not one other person in your league is capable of taking over the job you volunteered for. Let me guess before you arrived on the scene the league was composed of 11 lost souls wandering aimlessley in the wilderness who couldn't figure out that new-fangled innernet thingy? And since your triumphant arrival you have united the warring factions, brought peace to the republic and point-and-clicked your way to CBS sportsline. Puh-lease!

It's not that difficult. The only requirement is integrity.

OK, maybe English isn't your first language (or you responded without reading my post) so I'll try again. I'm not a commissioner. I wouldn't want that job. In fact, I have been clear that I respect their efforts BECAUSE I wouldn't want to do it myself. Now that about 50% of your post is moot, I'll happily address the other half.

If you think that all commissioners do is point-and-click to a Web site, you have one of two problems. You either have no idea what a commissioner does to keep your league running, or you only participate in apathetic leagues where the commish really does just point-and-click.

Commissioners are easily replaced. GOOD commissioners are very difficult to replace. Perhaps I have this attitude about commissioners because I've been lucky enough to participate in very fun leagues where the commissioner's effort really shows. If you've spent all your time in casual leagues where everybody has a just-another-league attitude, I can see why the job of commissioner doesn't seem as valuable to you.

The best leagues are the ones with an active commissioner who goes above and beyond to make the experience fun for everyone. And although you can love your 9-to-5 job, you probably still appreciate that paycheck. While many commissioners don't expect anything I think it's completely appropriate to offer the commissioner a free entry, or a discount if it's a high dollar amount. In fact, it should be standard.

To imply that it would take no time to find a replecement shows that you haven't given it much thought (because a good commissioner has always done it all for you), or you have a strange sense of entitlement as a fantasy owner. In either case, I encourage you to either show more appreciation to the person who works hard to provide an experience you enjoy, or seek out a league with just such a person.

You got me. I forgot you were not a commissioner. My bad. The point still applies even if the jab didn't.I am not truly disputing your points about what is a good commissioner, and you are dead wrong in your assessment of my league or my commitment to it. Since you have only been here a week I guess I shouldn't expect you to know that. My point is that if you are in any league that's worth being in then there are multiple people who could take over the role of commissioner almost seamlessley. It is NOT a difficult position to hold and be good at. And the bottom line is the commish, in every league I know, the commish is a volunteer position.

For people in leagues with unreliable or apathetic or despotic commissioners/owners I have no sympathy.

So in your opinion, just any one of the other owners could pick up where the last commish left off? Sorry to hear that.

I consider this to be a strength of the ownership in my league. I am not saying that we would not miss the presence of our commish, he is a great guy, but if he wanted to step down from the commish position it would be no problem.

Our Commish' style is the league. Several of our owners are in a league "run" by an owner who left a few years back. "His" league copied the bylaws and scoring in totality. One of the other owners in that league -who is also in ours- makes an attempt to throw down a few words in a newsletter every week, but it just isn't his schtick. He tells me that this copycat league blows, but he is in it for another potential payout.

Sad.

Your friend should either take over and run it right or find a better league. How does complaining help?

...newsletter...

Where in the FF bylaws is it written that the commish must write a newsletter? A newsletter is superfluous to enjoyment of FF. In my league another owner is producing a newsletter and power rankings of his own volition. Should we pay him too? What about the owners who contribute the majority of the message board and e-mail banter? Do they deserve a discount?Volunteer jobs. Good leagues have plenty of volunteers. And bad commishes don't deserve to be paid to be good.

 

[Your Mom]

So does this guy make everyone pay their $300 league fee upfront? If so, you're talking about over 3 grand sitting around in this dude's account for 4-5 months. This guy is getting paid to be commish!

Being a commish is a thankless and time consuming job, but it all depends on the league. Some commish's go thru a lot of trouble and work and in those leagues I'm sure most owners are cool with giving the commish a break, others point and click and that's about it.

I don't care what this guy is doing, a $300 free ride is way too much compensation. Unless the league is full of guppy's I would probably quit.

Are you serious buddy? having 3 grand sit in a account for 4-5 months? That earns you a couple of bucks. You have a savings account? The interest is garbage.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I commish a money league where everything is run using FFLM (not MFL) on a website I put together and host (and pay the hosting fees for). Using FFLM, I put a LOT, and I do mean a LOT of time and work into running the league and running the website.

Even under those circumstances, the thought never even so much as crossed my mind that I wouldn't have to pay the entry fee just like everyone else, nor should it ever cross another commish's mind.

Mr. Pasquino put the reasons behind commishing a league very eloquently, and I pretty much agree with them straight down the list.

 

[Sinrman]

In yesteryear with manual scoring and everything else, I was in a few leagues that were like this. In today's internet leagues, it's silly. Once the league is set up so much of it is automatically taken care of that it's ridiculous for anyone to get a free ride.

As a Commish in a league and former Commish in a number of leagues over the years, I definitely agree. Unless you're doing it all from scratch, I see no reason for the Commish to get a free ride...