Judge Smails
Footballguy
People in uproar in our league over this trade announced today. They now want to set up a 3 man committee to vote on whether to overturn. What say you?
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Should this trade be vetoed? (1 Viewer)
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The_Wolfman
Footballguy
No way
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Your league is ###### if people are complaining about that trade.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
They think the guy who traded Gates should have gotten more???
Nicolas Cocaign
Footballguy
He is selling low on MJD but it looks pretty fair to me, especially if he had depth at the position.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Well, I don't think the guy giving up Gates is getting screwed TOO badly, MJD could turn it around at least a little bit.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Interesting - keep 'em coming!
I have Gates and would never consider trading him for MJD straight up. I'm also sitting pretty at rb so what do I know?
TeamSnooki
Footballguy
Good trade. I can see it from both sides.
Getting MJD - get a guy who was top 3 last yr for your 3rd-4th rd pick. Hopefully gives him a #1 RB and either has another TE or can find one on the WW.
Getting Gates - cutting losses from the MJD pick by getting the best TE going. I would assume this team probably has a little RB depth as well.
Don't see it from the veto side.
Getting MJD - get a guy who was top 3 last yr for your 3rd-4th rd pick. Hopefully gives him a #1 RB and either has another TE or can find one on the WW.
Getting Gates - cutting losses from the MJD pick by getting the best TE going. I would assume this team probably has a little RB depth as well.
Don't see it from the veto side.
sspunisher
Footballguy
You only veto trades when you think cheating is involved, period.
Pro Gates arguement: He's #3 WR/TE, only Collie and Boldin are ahead of him in my league's scoring, that's insanely high. Pro MJD Arguement He's the ultimate buy low, Gates owner might need RB help and think now's the time to pull the trigger on MJD.
It's funny b/c some people come in here and say are you crazy MJD is too much to give away for Gates. And then there's other people who come in here and says are you crazy Gates is too much to give away for MJD. It's a fair trade if both parties are happy with it.
Pro Gates arguement: He's #3 WR/TE, only Collie and Boldin are ahead of him in my league's scoring, that's insanely high. Pro MJD Arguement He's the ultimate buy low, Gates owner might need RB help and think now's the time to pull the trigger on MJD.
It's funny b/c some people come in here and say are you crazy MJD is too much to give away for Gates. And then there's other people who come in here and says are you crazy Gates is too much to give away for MJD. It's a fair trade if both parties are happy with it.
footballnerd
Footballguy
no collusion no veto
Donsmith753
Footballguy
If gates was listed as WR this wouldn't get vetoed.
thatguythere
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I played in a league at work one year where owners could veto trades and I hated it. I couldn't wait for that season to end and I could quit the league.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
^^^^^^^ This!
Voted: NO.
I don't see a veto situation here....looks pretty even. There are no other variables listed, such as remaining rosters, roster size, league size, etc.........but if I was evaluating the trade straight up (with no suspicions of collusion) I would have no trouble letting this trade go through. Done deal.
On the idea of setting up a "Trade Committee"---- DO NOT DO IT. My keeper league (my main league that I commish) tried this a few years back......it lasted all of one year. We found out what almost all leagues find out when allowing "committees" to veto trades or league wide trade veto voting - IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!! Almost every team will vote with their own teams best interests at heart - not what is being asked, which is, "Is this a fair trade?" Fairness almost never enters into the decision process as to whether or not to veto a deal. The first thing folks think about is how the trade will affect their own team. After a few reasonable trades got vetoed during that first year, we voted to disband the "Trade Committee."
I'm surprised you are on here asking this question Judge. You have never come across (at least to me) as being one to consider such tactics in FF leagues. I can only assume you are here asking so that you can go back to your league and give a solid report on the thoughts and views of the most intelligent fantasy football community in the world.
Good luck to you and your league. Hopefully the majority of your league-mates see the light.
Rody
I don't see a veto situation here....looks pretty even. There are no other variables listed, such as remaining rosters, roster size, league size, etc.........but if I was evaluating the trade straight up (with no suspicions of collusion) I would have no trouble letting this trade go through. Done deal.
On the idea of setting up a "Trade Committee"---- DO NOT DO IT. My keeper league (my main league that I commish) tried this a few years back......it lasted all of one year. We found out what almost all leagues find out when allowing "committees" to veto trades or league wide trade veto voting - IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!! Almost every team will vote with their own teams best interests at heart - not what is being asked, which is, "Is this a fair trade?" Fairness almost never enters into the decision process as to whether or not to veto a deal. The first thing folks think about is how the trade will affect their own team. After a few reasonable trades got vetoed during that first year, we voted to disband the "Trade Committee."
I'm surprised you are on here asking this question Judge. You have never come across (at least to me) as being one to consider such tactics in FF leagues. I can only assume you are here asking so that you can go back to your league and give a solid report on the thoughts and views of the most intelligent fantasy football community in the world.
Good luck to you and your league. Hopefully the majority of your league-mates see the light.
Rody
Insein
Footballguy
fsufan
Footballguy
at this point I would rather have gates
Please See Mine
Footballguy
that was underdogger
DoubleG
Footballguy
People that think they can predict the future and try to base fairness of trades on that are morons. Tell them to look at the predictions for th future from the beginning of the season (i.e. their draft rankings) and see some of the "fair" trades that would now be considered ludicrous.I traded Shonn Green, Leon Washington, a 3rd round rookie pick and Anthony Gonzalez for Mendenhall and a heap of garbage last season in a dynasty league. At the time (Green wasn't the starter, Gonzo was hurt) - people were belly-aching that I screwed the other team. This season roles around, Green (now the starter for the Jets) was ranked higher than Mendy, Leon was a possible leader in the RBBC in Seatle and Gonzo was finally looking like he was healthy - people were laughing and said, "Yep, yoy want it with Mendy, but you overpayed!" Now, with Mendy a solid borderline RB1, Green falling out of favor for LT and Gonzo hurt again - people are saying I screwed him again.
What I am about to say may seem obvious, but many people fail to grasp: The only reason trades work is exactly because people value players differently. If all owners valued players the exact same way trades would hardly ever happen.
Collusion is and always will be the only reason to even consider vetoing a trade.
Can we just pin that statement somewhere. Or maybe just place it on banner adds all over every FF website on the planet???
VaCatFan
Footballguy
If you do have a trade committee (I don't suggest it), they need to be people who are not affiliated with your league who can provide an impartial view. If you let owners do it, it's just like Rody said, they'll vote in the best interest of their teams.
dhockster
Footballguy
People that think they can predict the future and try to base fairness of trades on that are morons. Tell them to look at the predictions for th future from the beginning of the season (i.e. their draft rankings) and see some of the "fair" trades that would now be considered ludicrous.
I traded Shonn Green, Leon Washington, a 3rd round rookie pick and Anthony Gonzalez for Mendenhall and a heap of garbage last season in a dynasty league. At the time (Green wasn't the starter, Gonzo was hurt) - people were belly-aching that I screwed the other team. This season roles around, Green (now the starter for the Jets) was ranked higher than Mendy, Leon was a possible leader in the RBBC in Seatle and Gonzo was finally looking like he was healthy - people were laughing and said, "Yep, yoy want it with Mendy, but you overpayed!" Now, with Mendy a solid borderline RB1, Green falling out of favor for LT and Gonzo hurt again - people are saying I screwed him again.
What I am about to say may seem obvious, but many people fail to grasp: The only reason trades work is exactly because people value players differently. If all owners valued players the exact same way trades would hardly ever happen.
Collusion is and always will be the only reason to even consider vetoing a trade.
Can we just pin that statement somewhere. Or maybe just place it on banner adds all over every FF website on the planet???
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I think a know the answer, but if this is a 3WR start league with no TE mandatory does that change anything?
DoubleG
Footballguy
Jeebus. Trades should never be vetoed on the basis of "fairity" or "balance" only on the basis of collusion. No collusion, no veto. Scoring, rosters, other draft picks, playoff structure - none of it matters when "the veto question" is posed. One question - "Is there suspected collusion?" If the answer is no, let the trade go. If the facts don't fit, you must acquit...and the 3 whiners are full of ####.
Looking at this from both sides of the trade which I can. I have MJD in one league. If someone offered me Gates I would think about it but would turn it down. I have Gates on another team and if someone offered me MJD I would think about it but would turn it down.So from my weird perspective it is fair. I am also of the opinion like the gentleman further up. No collusion no veto.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
well, there was so much #####ing and whining that the MJD owner (the commish) has now backed out of the deal. Even after I showed them the 192-12 vote against overturning. Unbelievable.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Then he deserves to reap the whirlwind. Doing that only encourages more chaos down the road.
Insein
Footballguy
If they're whiny little brats, the league should be disbanded. They obviously can't handle competition.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Exactly.Now the sandy va-jay-jay crowd in this league will think "Yay, I can cry and whine and get any trade I don't like overturned!"I'd quit and join a non-Desperate Housewives league.
Koya
Footballguy
1. Completely valid trade considering the circumstances, especially if the MJD trader has RB depth - could improve his team dramatically
2. It shouldn't even matter what the trade is, the ONLY circumstance that a veto should occur is collusion. If not collusion, even bad trades (and this isnt awful considering how bad the Jags are looking) go through. My only possible exception is if you have a rookie enter an experienced league and before the know what is going on, someone offers a really lopsided trade and in their ignorance, the newbie accepts which might throw off league balance.
That said, with this specific trade, your league mates are whiny little #####es to be looking for a veto. Please show them this thread and that post because they should recognize what pathetic excuses for fantasy owners they are.
2. It shouldn't even matter what the trade is, the ONLY circumstance that a veto should occur is collusion. If not collusion, even bad trades (and this isnt awful considering how bad the Jags are looking) go through. My only possible exception is if you have a rookie enter an experienced league and before the know what is going on, someone offers a really lopsided trade and in their ignorance, the newbie accepts which might throw off league balance.
That said, with this specific trade, your league mates are whiny little #####es to be looking for a veto. Please show them this thread and that post because they should recognize what pathetic excuses for fantasy owners they are.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Huh. I'm not even sure I can say with any true gut feeling WHICH person got the better end of this deal.
Besides, the only fact about any trade is someone always wins and someone always loses. The point is to ensure you are on the right side and until the season is over no one can say anything.
Stupid that anyone would vote to veto this.
Besides, the only fact about any trade is someone always wins and someone always loses. The point is to ensure you are on the right side and until the season is over no one can say anything.
Stupid that anyone would vote to veto this.
People need to spend less time #####ing about trades they don't have the balls to pull off in the first place.
