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Should trap music be it’s own genre? Recent Post Malone success gives relevance to the debate. (1 Viewer)

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TheRealMikeaveli

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Not a big trap fan, or Post Malone fan for that matter but his success and the movement for it to be is certainly on the rise. Thought it was an interesting article and am real surprised about Posts success overall. Just beat the Beatles for most singles in the top 20 with nine and 14 in the top 40. The streaming phenomenon has to be part of this equation but it’s still impressive especially for someone that I thought was gonna be a one hit wonder. 

Recently iv began to realize the guy definitely has music ability and a unique personality that allows his success to keep building. At first I didn’t understand it at all. 

I’m interested in what the real hip hop heads have to say about this subject and what the general consensus about Post Malone is in a place where his target audience isn’t located. 

 
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I don't care for 99% of hip hop, so not your target for the question, but I've been a Post Malone fan since White Iverson and think he's bested that a dozen of times since. I'm a fan. I also assume Trap is it's own genre even if it's best labeled sub-genre. 

 
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Post Malone has cut two successful popular yet critically limited albums. 

I'm voting not on the strength he brings, but trap is a genre, like it or not. Ask Future about it.  

 
I should have put “revelence” instead of “credence,” in the thread title, as his success makes the debate more relevant and poignant and I’m not sure I necessarily agree that it gives it credence. Ultimately I’m not sure what to think about it all but it is interesting to me. 

 
TheRealMikeaveli said:
I should have put “revelence” instead of “credence,” in the thread title, as his success makes the debate more relevant and poignant and I’m not sure I necessarily agree that it gives it credence. Ultimately I’m not sure what to think about it all but it is interesting to me. 
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Gotcha. I'm not sure I can personally comment on "relevance" or any other critical assessment other than popularity. Pop music is as pop music does. I don't know enough trap, and there's thousands of bands in rock and pop to work through before I can get to it. I will tell you I took Post Malone in the Blue-Eyed Soul Category for a music draft a while back and know of his work -- I also had a discussion with Ilov80s about him recently. 

I thought Congratulations (now seen on NBAtv) was a fine song that he cut with that dude from Migos back from the album that got critically panned, and likely wrongfully so. Shows what critics know.  But there's also an official rap/hip hop discussion here where the true heads know the deal. Perhaps check that?

 
Trap is where I discovered I'm a cranky old man.  I don't get ANY of it and I wanna shake my fist at these whippersnappers. 

Migos are fn terrible.  

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Trap is where I discovered I'm a cranky old man.  I don't get ANY of it and I wanna shake my fist at these whippersnappers. 

Migos are fn terrible.  
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I found out how much of a cranky old man I am when I first heard of Pusha T this week because of his apparent beef with Drake (podcasters talking about it). Apparently, this has been a big story in the nation of late. I knew I was pretty much out of the mainstream, but this sealed it. 

Also, I'd never listened to Drake before, but some how heard that horrible song God's Plan a few weeks ago. This guy is insanely popular? Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty clearly an old fogey and I'm cool with that.

Also, never heard of "trap music" until I saw this thread. I'd heard a couple Post Malone songs before. They all sound the same to me, and sound just like rap or hip-hop to me (I'm sure there's difference there that I don't know about). 

Checked out Migos for a few songs. Crap too. 

 
Trap is it’s own imo. It’s fused rap, r-&b, electronic, rock and pop in a distinctive way and in a way where many traps fans aren’t necessary fans of any of those genres.

 
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So how is "trap" different than "mumble", I can clearly hear the dude rap the same word or phrase 7 times in a row instead of not being able to hear the same word or phrase 7 times in a row?

 
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pollardsvision said:
I found out how much of a cranky old man I am when I first heard of Pusha T this week because of his apparent beef with Drake (podcasters talking about it). Apparently, this has been a big story in the nation of late. I knew I was pretty much out of the mainstream, but this sealed it. 

Also, I'd never listened to Drake before, but some how heard that horrible song God's Plan a few weeks ago. This guy is insanely popular? Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty clearly an old fogey and I'm cool with that.

Also, never heard of "trap music" until I saw this thread. I'd heard a couple Post Malone songs before. They all sound the same to me, and sound just like rap or hip-hop to me (I'm sure there's difference there that I don't know about). 

Checked out Migos for a few songs. Crap too. 
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Ditto to all this, except never went and actually checked any of it out.

Had Drake never voiced any characters in Rio, I'd know nothing about him. As for Post Malone ... this thread was my first time ever seeing a reference to him.

If my kids aren't into an artist ,,, I will never, ever, hear about them.

 
it would be cool if trap music was just admiral akbar singing the hits i bet that he does a mean endless love take that to the bank brohans 

 
My opinions.

#1. Trap is most definitely it's own genre. Has a very distinct sound to it, even separate from typical rap.

#2. All trap artists are b-a-s-u-r-a.

#3. Post Malone is basura. And the dictionary definition of a culture vulture. Dude calls himself a rapper, but I've only ever heard him singing. The only song in my playlist with Post Malone is an EDM remix of one of his songs. Came Up - Flosstradamus remix

ETA: Oh, and he also has f###ing barbed wire tatted across his forehead.

 
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I think my biggest problem with today’s rap, coming from a white guy born in 77  who grew up in the golden age of rap with Big Daddy Kane, Eric B. & Rakim, EPMD, public enemy and then later; Pac, Biggie and J, and everybody in between like; Wu; De La Soul, black sheep, Tribe , you name it… These new dudes are just putting out some #### that gets popular and it’s almost like it’s by accident. It’s like guys like Post Malone are shocked that they can make a killing doing this bull####, you can see it in their interviews that they are even shocked at this ####. Then because these guys make money they justify their art like they’re good. I see all these comments saying to the people who are hating on these guys is, so what he dropped out of high school and he makes boatloads of money, that makes them successful. 

 
Never considered Post Malone trap.  Trap is ASAP Rocky, 21 Savage, Lil Pump, Future and a host of other SoundCloud rappers. 

It's definitely a sub genre of hip hop/rap and LOL at the majority of FBGs trying to understand it.  It took me a while to get it.  Most of the music is garbage b/c the barriers to entry are so limited but there's definitely fire out there:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SaVOLRcF4

 
Let's definitely make it a genre of it's own so it doesn't come up when I try to play some hip-hop.  Let's find something to call all that down south crunk rap too.  I don't much care for it.  

 
It's the future bruhs.  Likely what your kids are listening to.  This reminds me of when I was younger and older heads were telling me Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc wasn't real rock music.  

Think this was the track that finally got me on board with the whole trap genre:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnZ8h3MRuYg

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Trap is where I discovered I'm a cranky old man.  I don't get ANY of it and I wanna shake my fist at these whippersnappers. 

Migos are fn terrible.  
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If it ain’t Kurtis Blow it ain’t ####.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Trap is where I discovered I'm a cranky old man.  I don't get ANY of it and I wanna shake my fist at these whippersnappers. 

Migos are fn terrible.  
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Love Migos. Hate Post Malone. Don't know what that means.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I think my biggest problem with today’s rap, coming from a white guy born in 77  who grew up in the golden age of rap with Big Daddy Kane, Eric B. & Rakim, EPMD, public enemy and then later; Pac, Biggie and J, and everybody in between like; Wu; De La Soul, black sheep, Tribe , you name it… These new dudes are just putting out some #### that gets popular and it’s almost like it’s by accident. It’s like guys like Post Malone are shocked that they can make a killing doing this bull####, you can see it in their interviews that they are even shocked at this ####. Then because these guys make money they justify their art like they’re good. I see all these comments saying to the people who are hating on these guys is, so what he dropped out of high school and he makes boatloads of money, that makes them successful. 
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Exactly how I feel but couldn’t articulate. Great post. 

 
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TheRealMikeaveli said:
http://djrobblog.com/archives/6329

Not a big trap fan, or Post Malone fan for that matter but his success and the movement for it to be is certainly on the rise. Thought it was an interesting article and am real surprised about Posts success overall. Just beat the Beatles for most singles in the top 20 with nine and 14 in the top 40. The streaming phenomenon has to be part of this equation but it’s still impressive especially for someone that I thought was gonna be a one hit wonder. 

Recently iv began to realize the guy definitely has music ability and a unique personality that allows his success to keep building. At first I didn’t understand it at all. 

I’m interested in what the real hip hop heads have to say about this subject and what the general consensus about Post Malone is in a place where his target audience isn’t located. 
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That article's pretty bad. Trap music has been around for 20 years, it's kind of odd if this is the point where you start thinking about whether it's its own genre, or if its a sub-genre, or whatever.

I think it kind of runs parallel to "traditional" hip-hop, trap started off as a regional sub-genre, now it's in the mainstream. There's a lot of mixing between the two, so I guess it'd be hard to tease out whether they're separate genres. The one thing that I think is hard for old 40 year-old white guys to get is that one's ability to actually rap rap doesn't really matter anymore. Lyricism has fallen by the wayside. But, in my opinion, wanky guitar solos falling by the wayside was also good, so I can sort of see where The Kids(tm) are coming from. 

 
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