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Single Season Passing Record? (1 Viewer)

Deamon

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I know, I know, this is WAY too early. We will most likely see a drop off in averages and will probably need half the season done before we should start talking about this.... Buuuuuut, these numbers are pretty crazy so far, and it will be interesting to see how their final numbers pace chances with each week. After week 2:

MARINO RECORD: 5084.

After week 1:

Brady: 7520

Newton: 6832

Rivers: 5704

Brees: 5512

Romo: 5496

Hasselbeck: 4968

Rodgers 4960

Although early, do you guys think anyone, or more then one might break it?

Updated Week 3 Passing Yards Pace:

Brady: 7077

Brees: 5648

Newton: 5397

Rivers: 5221

Stafford: 5210

Ben: 5024

Hassle: 4970.

Updated After Week 4:

Brady: 6212

Brees: 5640

Newton: 5544

Rodgers: 5300

Rivers: 5144

Romo: 5092

Stafford: 4868

Updated after week 5:

Brady: 5997

Brees: 5661

Rodgers: 5507

Newton: 5152

Romo: 5088

Rivers: 4915

Updated after week 12:

Brees: 5366

Brady: 5275

Rodgers: 5054

Eli: 4884

Rivers: 4670

Updated after week 15:

Brees: 5462

Brady: 5249

Eli: 4985

Rodgers: 4982

 
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You can scratch Newton off that list.

If anyone is going to do it this year it's going to be one of 3 guys - Brady, Brees, Rivers. High Octane passing offenses.

 
Brady has a legitimate chance. One thing in his favor is schedule. The toughest D he will face are the Jets, Steelers, and Eagles.

All he has to do is average 300 yards per game the rest of the season. Easier said then done.

 
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Brady has a legitimate chance. One thing in his favor is schedule. The toughest D he will face are the Jets, Steelers, and Eagles. All he has to do is average 300 yards per game the rest of the season. Easier said then done.
Ya he has a schedule to do it for sure. 300 doesn't seem too crazy at all for him to average, but I guess some teams may adjust to their passing game, and weather could be a factor too (yet for Brady, snow seems to HELP his numbers). I agree Newton shouldn't be on the list but heck, who knows.
 
Brady has a legitimate chance. One thing in his favor is schedule. The toughest D he will face are the Jets, Steelers, and Eagles. All he has to do is average 300 yards per game the rest of the season. Easier said then done.
Ya he has a schedule to do it for sure. 300 doesn't seem too crazy at all for him to average, but I guess some teams may adjust to their passing game, and weather could be a factor too (yet for Brady, snow seems to HELP his numbers). I agree Newton shouldn't be on the list but heck, who knows.
Would you two please do me a favor and do two things.1) Get Hucks to say Newton shouldn't be on the list.2) Tell Cam he shouldn't be on the list.
 
Brady has a legitimate chance. One thing in his favor is schedule. The toughest D he will face are the Jets, Steelers, and Eagles. All he has to do is average 300 yards per game the rest of the season. Easier said then done.
Ya he has a schedule to do it for sure. 300 doesn't seem too crazy at all for him to average, but I guess some teams may adjust to their passing game, and weather could be a factor too (yet for Brady, snow seems to HELP his numbers). I agree Newton shouldn't be on the list but heck, who knows.
Would you two please do me a favor and do two things.1) Get Hucks to say Newton shouldn't be on the list.2) Tell Cam he shouldn't be on the list.
I will NOT tell Cam he shouldn't be on the list. I'm a DWill owner, and that wouldn't help haha
 
All i know is that i will be rroting against this arrogant !@$#@. I cant stand tammy brady & bill belicheat or anything new england. They will pull their normal run up the scores in regular season and get their a@@ handed to them in the playoffs.

 
Brady has a legitimate chance. One thing in his favor is schedule. The toughest D he will face are the Jets, Steelers, and Eagles. All he has to do is average 300 yards per game the rest of the season. Easier said then done.
Ya he has a schedule to do it for sure. 300 doesn't seem too crazy at all for him to average, but I guess some teams may adjust to their passing game, and weather could be a factor too (yet for Brady, snow seems to HELP his numbers). I agree Newton shouldn't be on the list but heck, who knows.
Would you two please do me a favor and do two things.1) Get Hucks to say Newton shouldn't be on the list.2) Tell Cam he shouldn't be on the list.
:lmao:
 
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.

 
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
Ya today's NFL is for sure different. It would be interesting if someone somehow could come up with some sort of 'inflation' like you say and add a multiplier to Marino's record to what it might be around in today's nfl.... doubt that could be done though. Perhaps looking at the increase in total passing yards for the whole NFL from 84 to 2010 and multiplying his numbers by that?
 
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
I would counter this by saying if you factor in how ### #### hot tom brady is his yards should count as 1.27 on the brtady to marino exchange table. Marino was an ugly dude.I am glad the new ESPN super duper QB rating formula includes both hunkiness and dreaminess indexes in its calculation.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ufwukWgKfI
 
'SacramentoBob said:
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
It's a record that's stood for 27 years. When Marino set the record he was breaking Dan Fouts' record from 3 years before. Also, the median passer threw for a lot more yard in 1984 than they did when Joe Namath or Otto Graham played.
 
'SacramentoBob said:
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
It's a record that's stood for 27 years. When Marino set the record he was breaking Dan Fouts' record from 3 years before. Also, the median passer threw for a lot more yard in 1984 than they did when Joe Namath or Otto Graham played.
Yes, and?
 
'SacramentoBob said:
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
It's a record that's stood for 27 years. When Marino set the record he was breaking Dan Fouts' record from 3 years before. Also, the median passer threw for a lot more yard in 1984 than they did when Joe Namath or Otto Graham played.
Yes, and?
And nothing I guess if you've also always felt that Marino's record was unimpressive for the same reason.
 
I think Brady does it. He seems to be on another level this year (he has thrown for 517 and 423 in the first two weeks--his previous career high was 410). He arguably has more weapons than ever, and BB is not shy about passing in any situation, even when the Pats are up late in games. It's been a while since the Pats won the big one, and I think they're out to make a statement this year that they are still the best team in the NFL. Could translate into a record for Brady--and for all we know the passing record could be a goal.

 
'Deamon said:
I know, I know, this is WAY too early. We will most likely see a drop off in averages and will probably need half the season done before we should start talking about this.... Buuuuuut, these numbers are pretty crazy so far, and it will be interesting to see how their final numbers pace chances with each week. After week 2:MARINO RECORD: 5084.Brady: 7520Newton: 6832Rivers: 5704Brees: 5512Romo: 5496Hasselbeck: 4968Rodgers 4960Although early, do you guys think anyone, or more then one might break it?
This is not how "on pace for" works if we're talking about math beyond the Junior High level. Give them each the rest of their games this year at their career average for passing yards per game, or even better really, their average for the last 3 years. For Newton I'd recommend using the league average, though any Newton projection will be really subjective.Then you have a pretty decent idea what you can expect these guys to throw for if they play 16 games this year. For example if we take Brady's stats since 2009 he is averaging around 272 yds/gm. So (271.7yd/g * 14 games) + 940 current yds = 4,744 yards. You can do a lot more than that to tweak a projection, but honestly for these purposes, that gets you about 90% of the way to the "best" projection we can make right now.So, yes, it could happen, but no, no one is currently on pace to get there. It will take a lot more overacheiving than just the 2 weeks' worth we've seen so far.
 
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I'll take the under on Brady throwing for 7,520 yards.
No doubt its under... but would we be shocked at 5,500 or 6,000?
???? Yes, extremely shocked. EXTREMELY. It would be like A-Rod hitting 90 home runs in a year.Even if going forward he throws at the insane level he did in 2007 he's looking at about 5,150 yards. So we have to assume that he throws at his career best (which was other-worldy, already better than 99.9% of QBs to ever play in the NFL) AND we have to assume he stays healthy for the whole year AND he still comes up over 50 yards per game short of 6,000.

 
'Deamon said:
I know, I know, this is WAY too early. We will most likely see a drop off in averages and will probably need half the season done before we should start talking about this.... Buuuuuut, these numbers are pretty crazy so far, and it will be interesting to see how their final numbers pace chances with each week. After week 2:MARINO RECORD: 5084.Brady: 7520Newton: 6832Rivers: 5704Brees: 5512Romo: 5496Hasselbeck: 4968Rodgers 4960Although early, do you guys think anyone, or more then one might break it?
This is not how "on pace for" works if we're talking about math beyond the Junior High level. Give them each the rest of their games this year at their career average for passing yards per game, or even better really, their average for the last 3 years. For Newton I'd recommend using the league average, though any Newton projection will be really subjective.Then you have a pretty decent idea what you can expect these guys to throw for if they play 16 games this year. For example if we take Brady's stats since 2009 he is averaging around 272 yds/gm. So (271.7yd/g * 14 games) + 940 current yds = 4,744 yards. You can do a lot more than that to tweak a projection, but honestly for these purposes, that gets you about 90% of the way to the "best" projection we can make right now.So, yes, it could happen, but no, no one is currently on pace to get there. It will take a lot more overacheiving than just the 2 weeks' worth we've seen so far.
That's not true. You can't look at past years, its a different offense, different weapons, etc. It is a true "on pace", thats how it works in sports. I don't in a million years think that any of those qb's will end up with those pace numbers by seasons end.... and every week those pace numbers will be increased or decreased based on that week (most likely decreased almost every week). However, look at baseball home runs, etc... there's always 'he's on pace for X HR's" On pace just means that if he keeps up his current avg for this year, he will reach those numbers. Each week going forward the average will get more accurate... 2 weeks doesn't really tell anything, but its interesting to see how it changes from week to week.I think Brady has a good shot at 5,500 to be honest.
 
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I'll take the under on Brady throwing for 7,520 yards.
No doubt its under... but would we be shocked at 5,500 or 6,000?
???? Yes, extremely shocked. EXTREMELY. It would be like A-Rod hitting 90 home runs in a year.Even if going forward he throws at the insane level he did in 2007 he's looking at about 5,150 yards. So we have to assume that he throws at his career best (which was other-worldy, already better than 99.9% of QBs to ever play in the NFL) AND we have to assume he stays healthy for the whole year AND he still comes up over 50 yards per game short of 6,000.
Ya 6,000 seems extremely doubtful. I was just commenting because someone mentioned that they wouldn't be impressed if he broke the record this year. I think 5,000 is doable. Of course injuries come into play (not just his, but of his wrs), but if he has 6 more 400+ yard games this year, he only needs to average about 260 in the rest of the games to hit 5500. I give him a 25% chance at hitting 5500 baring no injury.

 
'Deamon said:
I know, I know, this is WAY too early. We will most likely see a drop off in averages and will probably need half the season done before we should start talking about this.... Buuuuuut, these numbers are pretty crazy so far, and it will be interesting to see how their final numbers pace chances with each week. After week 2:MARINO RECORD: 5084.Brady: 7520Newton: 6832Rivers: 5704Brees: 5512Romo: 5496Hasselbeck: 4968Rodgers 4960Although early, do you guys think anyone, or more then one might break it?
This is not how "on pace for" works if we're talking about math beyond the Junior High level. Give them each the rest of their games this year at their career average for passing yards per game, or even better really, their average for the last 3 years. For Newton I'd recommend using the league average, though any Newton projection will be really subjective.Then you have a pretty decent idea what you can expect these guys to throw for if they play 16 games this year. For example if we take Brady's stats since 2009 he is averaging around 272 yds/gm. So (271.7yd/g * 14 games) + 940 current yds = 4,744 yards. You can do a lot more than that to tweak a projection, but honestly for these purposes, that gets you about 90% of the way to the "best" projection we can make right now.So, yes, it could happen, but no, no one is currently on pace to get there. It will take a lot more overacheiving than just the 2 weeks' worth we've seen so far.
That's not true. You can't look at past years, its a different offense, different weapons, etc. It is a true "on pace", thats how it works in sports. I don't in a million years think that any of those qb's will end up with those pace numbers by seasons end.... and every week those pace numbers will be increased or decreased based on that week (most likely decreased almost every week). However, look at baseball home runs, etc... there's always 'he's on pace for X HR's" On pace just means that if he keeps up his current avg for this year, he will reach those numbers. Each week going forward the average will get more accurate... 2 weeks doesn't really tell anything, but its interesting to see how it changes from week to week.I think Brady has a good shot at 5,500 to be honest.
Nah, I hear you, but still no. You tell me I can't look at past years because the offense is different, but I can look at 2 games and project that out over a full season and that's okay? You later say the average will get more accurate as each week passes. Well, guess what, we can use a more accurate average right now today. Why would we choose not to do that? Why willfully remain ignorant of the developing situation and the likely results?And you can use QB averages, especially if they're on the same team for several years (even if personnel is changing). In fact, a lot of folks who do projections would be better off doing that than over-analyzing the various trends/changes. It's the same reason that pre-season college football polls have actually been better predictors of the eventual Champion than in-season ones. People tend to overreact to new information and give it too much importance.
 
'SacramentoBob said:
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
It's a record that's stood for 27 years. When Marino set the record he was breaking Dan Fouts' record from 3 years before. Also, the median passer threw for a lot more yard in 1984 than they did when Joe Namath or Otto Graham played.
Yes, and?
And nothing I guess if you've also always felt that Marino's record was unimpressive for the same reason.
His and Fout's previous record may be equally (un)impressive.
 
'SacramentoBob said:
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
It's a record that's stood for 27 years. When Marino set the record he was breaking Dan Fouts' record from 3 years before. Also, the median passer threw for a lot more yard in 1984 than they did when Joe Namath or Otto Graham played.
what a dumb reason to be unimpressed.
 
'Deamon said:
I know, I know, this is WAY too early. We will most likely see a drop off in averages and will probably need half the season done before we should start talking about this.... Buuuuuut, these numbers are pretty crazy so far, and it will be interesting to see how their final numbers pace chances with each week. After week 2:MARINO RECORD: 5084.Brady: 7520Newton: 6832Rivers: 5704Brees: 5512Romo: 5496Hasselbeck: 4968Rodgers 4960Although early, do you guys think anyone, or more then one might break it?
This is not how "on pace for" works if we're talking about math beyond the Junior High level. Give them each the rest of their games this year at their career average for passing yards per game, or even better really, their average for the last 3 years. For Newton I'd recommend using the league average, though any Newton projection will be really subjective.Then you have a pretty decent idea what you can expect these guys to throw for if they play 16 games this year. For example if we take Brady's stats since 2009 he is averaging around 272 yds/gm. So (271.7yd/g * 14 games) + 940 current yds = 4,744 yards. You can do a lot more than that to tweak a projection, but honestly for these purposes, that gets you about 90% of the way to the "best" projection we can make right now.So, yes, it could happen, but no, no one is currently on pace to get there. It will take a lot more overacheiving than just the 2 weeks' worth we've seen so far.
That's not true. You can't look at past years, its a different offense, different weapons, etc. It is a true "on pace", thats how it works in sports. I don't in a million years think that any of those qb's will end up with those pace numbers by seasons end.... and every week those pace numbers will be increased or decreased based on that week (most likely decreased almost every week). However, look at baseball home runs, etc... there's always 'he's on pace for X HR's" On pace just means that if he keeps up his current avg for this year, he will reach those numbers. Each week going forward the average will get more accurate... 2 weeks doesn't really tell anything, but its interesting to see how it changes from week to week.I think Brady has a good shot at 5,500 to be honest.
Nah, I hear you, but still no. You tell me I can't look at past years because the offense is different, but I can look at 2 games and project that out over a full season and that's okay? You later say the average will get more accurate as each week passes. Well, guess what, we can use a more accurate average right now today. Why would we choose not to do that? Why willfully remain ignorant of the developing situation and the likely results?And you can use QB averages, especially if they're on the same team for several years (even if personnel is changing). In fact, a lot of folks who do projections would be better off doing that than over-analyzing the various trends/changes. It's the same reason that pre-season college football polls have actually been better predictors of the eventual Champion than in-season ones. People tend to overreact to new information and give it too much importance.
I agree it's way too early to accurately 'project' those stats... I'm not projecting them, thats just the on pace. I'm agreeing with you over and over that it's too early, but I wanted to see if anyone thought the records may be broken before waiting till accurate averages halfway through the year. The goal was to update the on pace numbers each week and watch some of those guys fall right out of contention and see how long his pace numbers based on his average would stay in the 5000 range.
 
I mean I guess you can do that but I'm more interested in looking at the actual information available on whether or not these guys could break the record. That's exciting to me, not a contrived game where we watch a race between their falling averages and the end of the season. The fact that Brady is probably on pace for (or projecting for) over 4,700 yards is definitely really interesting/exciting. I like being able to know that he's got the record in reach vs just putting up that he's "on pace for" 8,000 yards or whatever number that he'll never touch. That tells me very close to nothing about whether or not he'll touch a record.

I think we'll both agree that doing it the way I did will yield a better estimate of final results pretty much every single week throughout the year (by the time your averages become semi-accurate mine will also include the current season's data and be just as good or better still). If Brady goes for another 500 next Sunday then the way I've done it will show us clearly that he's pretty much 50/50 to break the record which is both accurate and amazing while yours will still basically show the same 8,000 number which doesn't tell us anything other than the fact that he's played really well for 3 weeks which we already knew.

 
Brees came one reception away from doing it already so, yes at some point it will be broken. Probably a team with a bad defense and great offense much like the year Brees threw for 5,000.

 
'SacramentoBob said:
I don't think I'd be too impressed if Marino's record is broken, unless it's by a significantly large margin. I'm guessing that Marino's YPG over the median passer in 1984 is significantly higher than if you threw for his record +1 yard today. It's like how every few years a new "best selling movie of all time" comes out, but if you adjust for inflation it's still Gone With the Wind. Would be interested in seeing what inflation, if any has happened since Marino set the record.
It's a record that's stood for 27 years. When Marino set the record he was breaking Dan Fouts' record from 3 years before. Also, the median passer threw for a lot more yard in 1984 than they did when Joe Namath or Otto Graham played.
what a dumb reason to be unimpressed.
No need to get all worked up over this.
 
Brady will shatter it. He needs to avg roughly 325-350 a game the rest of the way to eclipse 6,000 which he has a legit chance to reach.
He needs to average 361 a game actually. Brady has played in 51 regular season games since the start of his awesome 2007 season. In how many of those 51 games do you think he threw for over 361 yards? I know the answer but I'm curious to hear what you think the answer is.
 
Brady will shatter it. He needs to avg roughly 325-350 a game the rest of the way to eclipse 6,000 which he has a legit chance to reach.
He needs to average 361 a game actually. Brady has played in 51 regular season games since the start of his awesome 2007 season. In how many of those 51 games do you think he threw for over 361 yards? I know the answer but I'm curious to hear what you think the answer is.
I would guess 10 but I have no clue.
 
Brady will shatter it. He needs to avg roughly 325-350 a game the rest of the way to eclipse 6,000 which he has a legit chance to reach.
He needs to average 361 a game actually. Brady has played in 51 regular season games since the start of his awesome 2007 season. In how many of those 51 games do you think he threw for over 361 yards? I know the answer but I'm curious to hear what you think the answer is.
Probably none and the post was tongue n cheek my friend.
 
Brady will shatter it. He needs to avg roughly 325-350 a game the rest of the way to eclipse 6,000 which he has a legit chance to reach.
He needs to average 361 a game actually. Brady has played in 51 regular season games since the start of his awesome 2007 season. In how many of those 51 games do you think he threw for over 361 yards? I know the answer but I'm curious to hear what you think the answer is.
Probably none and the post was tongue n cheek my friend.
Well it can't be none since the last 2 regular season games he's thrown for over 400.
 
Brady will shatter it. He needs to avg roughly 325-350 a game the rest of the way to eclipse 6,000 which he has a legit chance to reach.
He needs to average 361 a game actually. Brady has played in 51 regular season games since the start of his awesome 2007 season. In how many of those 51 games do you think he threw for over 361 yards? I know the answer but I'm curious to hear what you think the answer is.
Probably none and the post was tongue n cheek my friend.
Well it can't be none since the last 2 regular season games he's thrown for over 400.
Outside of the last 2 games obviously...here i'll look it up...he is completing 71% of his passes which is like 8 points over his career avg which I have to guess is close to the best ever...looks like 4 and he has some others in the 350 range. Of course the odds are stacked against him keeping this up but NE is not a major power running team so I have to assume they keep passing.
 
No doubt Brady will make a serious run at this, but it would surprise me if he shatters it (5500 or 6000). This might be the worst defense he's ever had which will keep his attempts per game high. Give him all 14 games and 8 ypa and he'll need over 36 attempts a game which is attainable.

 
Brees came one reception away from doing it already so, yes at some point it will be broken. Probably a team with a bad defense and great offense much like the year Brees threw for 5,000.
15 yards short. Brees threw it to a wide open Lance Moore on the very last play of the season and Moore simply did not turn around for the pass; sad, that. But obviously it can be done.
 
I think the passing numbers will decrease as defenses sharpen up and adapt, not to mention the colder weather later this season.

Having said that, I'd love to see 6,000 passing yards.....

 
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'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I'll take the under on Brady throwing for 7,520 yards.
No doubt its under... but would we be shocked at 5,500 or 6,000?
Would we be shocked if Brady threw for that many yards? Of course, that's crazy. His production will regress to the mean over the season.But Cam Newton has a legit shot at breaking the record. He looks like the real deal.
 
Brady has a good chance because they won't play a ball control offense EVER. Up big and it doesn't matter, throw throw throw.

 
If NE sticks with the no huddle, Brady should get a ton of extra passing attempts based on how many more plays they are running each game.

Through two games last year, NE ran 58 + 56 = 114 plays on offense. Through two games this year, 70 + 65 plays = 135. That's basically a rate that's 20% better than last year.

He "only" needs to average 296 passing yards the rest of the way to break the record, so it's certainly something within reach.

 
To make this fair contest, someone needs to tear Brady's achilles and make him play the remaining games wearing a massive boot that limits his mobility to that of geriatric center patient. Then see if he can do what Marino did.

 

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