bigreese82
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I read somewhere that Tim Carter was being released. Can Moss bounce back from an injury riddled rookie year and win the WR2 or is he destined to be a WR3 for the Giants? Is he a bust or is it too early to tell?
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JohnnyU
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I guess I could give my opinion of Moss, but the NFL.com analysis is probably better.
SINORICE MOSS
Moss is a player that did not catch a lot of passes in every game which makes it tough to get a good feel for him as a receiver. He is a quick and explosive receiver who runs very good routes and consistently is able to get separation from tight man-to-man coverage -- not only are his routes good, but his ability to sell fakes helps him to turn his man around surprisingly well. He has excellent hands and does a very good job of reaching out and catching the ball away from his body. He can adjust to make the tough grab and does not hesitate to go up and catch the high pass in traffic. Once he has the ball in his hands, he is a dangerous runner who can make big plays - he can make tacklers miss and has the play speed to take plays the distance. Overall, Moss is smaller than ideal, but the rest of his skills will enable him to make an impact in the NFL - he is going to be a good receiver who catches a lot of passes and makes big plays running after the catch. Additionally, although Devin Hester was Miami's primary return man, Moss has the talent to be a good punt and kickoff returner in the NFL.
STRONG POINTS
Moss is a very good athlete with the foot quickness, acceleration and playing speed to make big plays as a receiver and returner. He runs very good routes and consistently has shown the ability to burst out of his cuts to get separation -- he does a good job of selling fakes and can turn defensive backs around easily. He has excellent hands, does a very good job of reaching out and catching the ball with his hands and makes the tough, acrobatic catch seem easy. He consistently has shown toughness catching the high pass in traffic, takes the hard hit and holds onto the ball.
WEAKNESSES
Moss' biggest problem is that he lacks the ideal size for a receiver which will hinder his ability to maintain his durabilty if over-used. He lacks the bulk/size to consistently get off the ball quickly once he has been jolted by a strong jam. He is going to need to become more consistent anticipating the snap and getting off the line of scrimmage into routes fast. He is not a consistently good blocker and does not eliminate his man consistently.
POSITIONAL FACTORS
Grade Category Comments/Description
7.5 Hands His excellent hands help him to consistently make great catches seem routine.
5.5 Initial Quickness He flashes quickness off the ball, but more often than not he is just adequate exploding off the line of scrimmage into his route.
5.5 Clean Release He needs to become more consistent off the ball, but once moving, he can close the cushion fast.
5.5 Release vs. Jam He is smaller than ideal, but his quickness and side-to-side agility help him to avoid the jam and release fast.
6.5 Patterns He runs very sharp routes, sells fakes well, and bursts out of cuts to get separation consistently.
7.0 Adjusts to Ball His hands, body control and concentration help him to consistently adjust to the ball to make tough grabs.
6.5 Run after Catch He gets started upfield quickly after the catch, has the burst to get away, and is an elusive openfield runner.
6.5 Deep Threat Once he gets to full speed, he has the burst and play speed to get separation on deep routes.
7.0 Hand/Eye Coordination Moss' hand/eye coordination are what help him to consistently make excellent catches.
4.5 Blocking He does not get after his man aggressively every time and does not stay after blocks consistently.
6.0 Return Ability His hands, agility, burst and play speed give him the ability to make plays as a returner.
6.0 Fumbles/Error He does not fumble and is not a player who makes clear mental errors.
ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.5
Moss is a very good athlete which is what has helped him to become a play-making receiver despite a lack of size. He has very quick feet which helps him to accelerate to full speed fast and to get started upfield quickly after the catch. Once moving, his foot quickness gives him an explosive burst out of cuts to get separation in routes, but he does not have the quick, explosive burst off the ball into his route. His agility and balance combine with his surprising strength to let him keep his feet vs. hard hits and gain yards after contact. He can change directions very quickly to get out of cuts fast and to make tacklers miss running with the ball after the catch. He has the natural flexibility to get down low to catch low passes easily and his athleticism enables him to pop up off the ground in a flash. He has excellent hands and they combine with his body control, coordination and concentration to allow him to adjust and make tough catches seem easy. He has excellent jumping ability to get up high to catch the high pass across the middle remarkably well.
Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination
6.5 6.5 6.5 6.5 7.0
COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
Moss has consistently shown toughness catching passes in traffic without peeking, takes the hard hit and holds onto the ball. While he has shown the ability to step up and make big plays when given the chance, he has not always been their go-to-receiver (mainly because they have so many talented pass catchers at Miami). His overall production has been very good in terms of consistently catching the ball, but he has not put up huge receiving numbers -- he often had games where he caught only two or three passes. His ability to stay focused and consistently catch nearly every pass thrown his way is excellent. He consistently runs good routes, sells his fakes well and bursts out of cuts to get separation consistently. His foot quickness and athleticism help him to get started up the field quickly after the catch and he has the elusiveness and playing speed to make big plays running in the open field. He is a team player when it comes to making tough catches in traffic, but he needs to become more consistent staying after and finishing his blocks down the field. He displays very good effort once he has the ball in his hands and never stops fighting and competing to gain yards running after the catch.
Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit
6.0 6.0 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.5
MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0
Moss is a smart football player -- he runs sharp and crisp routes, always runs past the yard marker on third-down routes and uses his hands well to reach away from his body to catch the ball. Once into the play, Moss shows very good instincts and reactions, but he does not react to the snap and explode off the ball as quickly as he is capable of consistently. He does an excellent job of maintaining his focus and concentration which enables him to catch passes thrown his way.
Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration
6.5 6.0 7.0
STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 5.0
Moss is shorter than ideal, but he is solidly built for a short receiver. While he has been durable, Moss' lack of bulk/size is going to hinder his NFL durability if he is over-used. He is a naturally explosive receiver who explodes out of cuts and after the catch to get away from defenders, but he does not consistently anticipate the snap which limits his ability to explode off the ball into his route. Despite being small, he has better playing strength than you expect -- he keeps his feet vs. hard hits surprisingly well and holds onto the ball after taking hard hits right after the catch.
Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength
3.0 5.0 6.0 5.5
Source - NFL.com
SINORICE MOSS
Moss is a player that did not catch a lot of passes in every game which makes it tough to get a good feel for him as a receiver. He is a quick and explosive receiver who runs very good routes and consistently is able to get separation from tight man-to-man coverage -- not only are his routes good, but his ability to sell fakes helps him to turn his man around surprisingly well. He has excellent hands and does a very good job of reaching out and catching the ball away from his body. He can adjust to make the tough grab and does not hesitate to go up and catch the high pass in traffic. Once he has the ball in his hands, he is a dangerous runner who can make big plays - he can make tacklers miss and has the play speed to take plays the distance. Overall, Moss is smaller than ideal, but the rest of his skills will enable him to make an impact in the NFL - he is going to be a good receiver who catches a lot of passes and makes big plays running after the catch. Additionally, although Devin Hester was Miami's primary return man, Moss has the talent to be a good punt and kickoff returner in the NFL.
STRONG POINTS
Moss is a very good athlete with the foot quickness, acceleration and playing speed to make big plays as a receiver and returner. He runs very good routes and consistently has shown the ability to burst out of his cuts to get separation -- he does a good job of selling fakes and can turn defensive backs around easily. He has excellent hands, does a very good job of reaching out and catching the ball with his hands and makes the tough, acrobatic catch seem easy. He consistently has shown toughness catching the high pass in traffic, takes the hard hit and holds onto the ball.
WEAKNESSES
Moss' biggest problem is that he lacks the ideal size for a receiver which will hinder his ability to maintain his durabilty if over-used. He lacks the bulk/size to consistently get off the ball quickly once he has been jolted by a strong jam. He is going to need to become more consistent anticipating the snap and getting off the line of scrimmage into routes fast. He is not a consistently good blocker and does not eliminate his man consistently.
POSITIONAL FACTORS
Grade Category Comments/Description
7.5 Hands His excellent hands help him to consistently make great catches seem routine.
5.5 Initial Quickness He flashes quickness off the ball, but more often than not he is just adequate exploding off the line of scrimmage into his route.
5.5 Clean Release He needs to become more consistent off the ball, but once moving, he can close the cushion fast.
5.5 Release vs. Jam He is smaller than ideal, but his quickness and side-to-side agility help him to avoid the jam and release fast.
6.5 Patterns He runs very sharp routes, sells fakes well, and bursts out of cuts to get separation consistently.
7.0 Adjusts to Ball His hands, body control and concentration help him to consistently adjust to the ball to make tough grabs.
6.5 Run after Catch He gets started upfield quickly after the catch, has the burst to get away, and is an elusive openfield runner.
6.5 Deep Threat Once he gets to full speed, he has the burst and play speed to get separation on deep routes.
7.0 Hand/Eye Coordination Moss' hand/eye coordination are what help him to consistently make excellent catches.
4.5 Blocking He does not get after his man aggressively every time and does not stay after blocks consistently.
6.0 Return Ability His hands, agility, burst and play speed give him the ability to make plays as a returner.
6.0 Fumbles/Error He does not fumble and is not a player who makes clear mental errors.
ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.5
Moss is a very good athlete which is what has helped him to become a play-making receiver despite a lack of size. He has very quick feet which helps him to accelerate to full speed fast and to get started upfield quickly after the catch. Once moving, his foot quickness gives him an explosive burst out of cuts to get separation in routes, but he does not have the quick, explosive burst off the ball into his route. His agility and balance combine with his surprising strength to let him keep his feet vs. hard hits and gain yards after contact. He can change directions very quickly to get out of cuts fast and to make tacklers miss running with the ball after the catch. He has the natural flexibility to get down low to catch low passes easily and his athleticism enables him to pop up off the ground in a flash. He has excellent hands and they combine with his body control, coordination and concentration to allow him to adjust and make tough catches seem easy. He has excellent jumping ability to get up high to catch the high pass across the middle remarkably well.
Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination
6.5 6.5 6.5 6.5 7.0
COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
Moss has consistently shown toughness catching passes in traffic without peeking, takes the hard hit and holds onto the ball. While he has shown the ability to step up and make big plays when given the chance, he has not always been their go-to-receiver (mainly because they have so many talented pass catchers at Miami). His overall production has been very good in terms of consistently catching the ball, but he has not put up huge receiving numbers -- he often had games where he caught only two or three passes. His ability to stay focused and consistently catch nearly every pass thrown his way is excellent. He consistently runs good routes, sells his fakes well and bursts out of cuts to get separation consistently. His foot quickness and athleticism help him to get started up the field quickly after the catch and he has the elusiveness and playing speed to make big plays running in the open field. He is a team player when it comes to making tough catches in traffic, but he needs to become more consistent staying after and finishing his blocks down the field. He displays very good effort once he has the ball in his hands and never stops fighting and competing to gain yards running after the catch.
Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit
6.0 6.0 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.5
MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0
Moss is a smart football player -- he runs sharp and crisp routes, always runs past the yard marker on third-down routes and uses his hands well to reach away from his body to catch the ball. Once into the play, Moss shows very good instincts and reactions, but he does not react to the snap and explode off the ball as quickly as he is capable of consistently. He does an excellent job of maintaining his focus and concentration which enables him to catch passes thrown his way.
Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration
6.5 6.0 7.0
STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 5.0
Moss is shorter than ideal, but he is solidly built for a short receiver. While he has been durable, Moss' lack of bulk/size is going to hinder his NFL durability if he is over-used. He is a naturally explosive receiver who explodes out of cuts and after the catch to get away from defenders, but he does not consistently anticipate the snap which limits his ability to explode off the ball into his route. Despite being small, he has better playing strength than you expect -- he keeps his feet vs. hard hits surprisingly well and holds onto the ball after taking hard hits right after the catch.
Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength
3.0 5.0 6.0 5.5
Source - NFL.com
Couch Potato
Footballguy
How do you come up with that? One guy is 6'3" and the other is 5'8" so there's no size similarity. Don't be so cryptic and leave people wondering what you're getting at because it makes the post meaningless. What is your point exactly?
Couch Potato
Footballguy
What worries me about Moss is that he wasn't even a high producer at the college level.
2003 Miami 8-111-0
2004 Miami 20-351-3
2005 Miami 37-614-6
He's small in stature and spent much of his rookie season hurt. And with Plax and Shockey around, he'll never be better than the 3rd option. He'll have to show me something before I believe he's more than just a role player.
2003 Miami 8-111-0
2004 Miami 20-351-3
2005 Miami 37-614-6
He's small in stature and spent much of his rookie season hurt. And with Plax and Shockey around, he'll never be better than the 3rd option. He'll have to show me something before I believe he's more than just a role player.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Especially when those thoughts have no apparant bearing in reality.
redman
Footballguy
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Especially when those thoughts have no apparant bearing in reality.
Koya
Footballguy
They are two very different players. Just not an apt comparison.Especially when those thoughts have no apparant bearing in reality.
what do you want me to say. Sinorice might suck as much as Pinkston, but that doesnt make moss like him.Besides the fact they have nothing in common, good post.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Okay...who can tell me what Todd and Sinorice have in common?
redman
Footballguy
Um, they're bipeds?
Avery
Footballguy
To get back to the topic at hand, Sinorice Moss looked quite impressive in his very brief appearance in the pre-season before he got hurt; very fast, great change of direction.
His injury pretty much precluded him from any real contribution for the rest of the year so 2007 could be looked at as his rookie year for all intents and purposes.
Since Toomer has little time left, there is a real opening in the starting lineup for the Giants at WR going forward. Couple that with Tiki retiring and taking all those catches out of the backfield with him, and Sinorice moss seems like a good candidate to stash on the bench of a deep dynasty league for he should cost next to nothing.
He may be a bit of a long shot, given his size and the Giants not exactly being a haven for FF WR stardom, but a low risk, decent reward type of guy.
Also, for leagues that reward for return yardage, he is a leading candidate for return punts next year.
His injury pretty much precluded him from any real contribution for the rest of the year so 2007 could be looked at as his rookie year for all intents and purposes.
Since Toomer has little time left, there is a real opening in the starting lineup for the Giants at WR going forward. Couple that with Tiki retiring and taking all those catches out of the backfield with him, and Sinorice moss seems like a good candidate to stash on the bench of a deep dynasty league for he should cost next to nothing.
He may be a bit of a long shot, given his size and the Giants not exactly being a haven for FF WR stardom, but a low risk, decent reward type of guy.
Also, for leagues that reward for return yardage, he is a leading candidate for return punts next year.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
My problem with Sinorice is that he seems to lack the toughness and physicality that it takes in today's NFL.
Harrison isn't physical, but he is tough. Randl El is both physical and tough.
I used Pinkston as an example because he also lacked these attributes and I think Sinorice could have a career very similar to Pinkstons. I'm not saying there's never a chance Sinorice will produce, I'm just saying I'd bet against it...I was very unimpressed with him last year.
Harrison isn't physical, but he is tough. Randl El is both physical and tough.
I used Pinkston as an example because he also lacked these attributes and I think Sinorice could have a career very similar to Pinkstons. I'm not saying there's never a chance Sinorice will produce, I'm just saying I'd bet against it...I was very unimpressed with him last year.
Avery
Footballguy
Moss had a hamstring injury that seemed to linger most of the year; not unprecedented for speed guys. A rookie that misses the early part of the season, is often left out of the better part of the teams playbook the rest of the year.I'm not sure how you can assess Moss' "toughness" yet . Whereas Pinkston demonstrated a lack of toughness on the field on numerous occasions (reluctant to cross over the middle of stretch to make the catch when the "big hit" is imminent), Moss has had little opportunity on the NFL field to show his toughness or lack thereof.The fact is, we know little more about Moss in the NFL than we did right after the draft. He's a high 2nd round pick that has barely touched the NFL field.LHUCKS said:
redman
Footballguy
Agreed, there's too little information to go on right now. I admit, though, that I'm wary that his perceived skills are inflated given the achievements of his older brother and the way that they may bias us due to their similar styles. Time will tell.Family Matters
Footballguy
Good idea. In fact, I think I'll let someone else wait on him.
roughrider
Footballguy
waviers opens in one of my dynasty leagues today at 6pm, I'm thinking of dropping Sinorice Moss for Williams, Demetrius BAL WR. I THINK williams will be a better player in the long run... any thoughts?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Dude was blowing by defenders last week.I mean BLOWING.If he can learn the nuances of the game,route running, etc, I think he may blossominto a sweet NFL WR.
RC94
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
What makes you so sure a "thesis" would be required?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Sin Moss got his first real shot of 2008
when Hixon went down. He came through with 2 TDs in the second half.
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Sinorice Moss-WR- Giants Oct. 5 - 4:28 pm et (rotoworld)
Sinorice Moss caught four balls for 45 yards and two touchdowns in Week 5.
Moss played extensively because Plaxico Burress was suspended for the game and Domenik Hixon left early with a concussion. This gave New York a chance to showcase Moss, who is an obvious trade candidate before the Oct. 14 deadline.
opinions going forward ?
when Hixon went down. He came through with 2 TDs in the second half.
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Sinorice Moss-WR- Giants Oct. 5 - 4:28 pm et (rotoworld)
Sinorice Moss caught four balls for 45 yards and two touchdowns in Week 5.
Moss played extensively because Plaxico Burress was suspended for the game and Domenik Hixon left early with a concussion. This gave New York a chance to showcase Moss, who is an obvious trade candidate before the Oct. 14 deadline.
opinions going forward ?
Construction Man Jim
Footballguy
It was nice to see Sinorice take advantage of an opportunity and contribute, but he's still #5 on the depth chart. So long as the guys in front of him remain healthy his chances will be limited.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
You don't think he can easily leapfrogover Manningham, Smith and Hixon ?
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Manningham maybe. Smith and Hixon both have their merits. I don't see Moss as superior to either one of those guys. It's not that they totally outclass him or anything, it's just that I don't think he brings a ton to the table that they don't, especially in terms of an every week starter.
