Sleeper team for 08 (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Some thoughts on why I think the Jets will be the surprise team of '08.

-- The Jets lost a ton of close games this year. New York had a really difficult schedule, but was in 14 of 16 games. The team didn't quit down the stretch, exhibiting great character. The Jets almost beat New England and Tennessee, and then beat Kansas City. This is a team that is a tough out.

-- Coles, Cotchery and Brad Smith form maybe the top trio of receivers in the league. Coles is probably the toughest receiver in the NFL, and Cotchery and Smith keep getting better. Thomas Jones and Leon Washington form a great 1-2 punch. The Jets big problem is the line, but that can be fixed quickly. If the Jets add Faneca and a RT, the line will be much improved, and either Clemens or Pennington will look very godo.

-- The Jets defense really improved down the stretch. Revis a top flight corner, and Harris and Rhodes are great young pieces. If the Jets can add a big body or two on the DL, and Vilma comes back healthy, this will be a very tough defense to stop. Vilma and Harris on the inside will be incredible.

-- Coaching. Mangini's done a good job rebuilding this team. He probably had the best coaching game this season, with the Jets defense keeping Tom Brady out of the end zone. The Jets shut down the Patriots offense that week, the only team to do that all year. He's innovative and hard working, and the Jets respond to him.

The Jets are an underrated team, and are certainly on the rise. Watch out for them in 08. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

 

[Patoons]

Rumor is that Coles may be on his way out - Jets may not want to extend him.

I agree - the Jets also have the $$ to spend in free agency... would be great to see Faneca / Samuel, etc. signed and then add a solid draft (including another interior lineman and RT)

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The problem with the Jets is that their defensive personnel isn't suited to their defensive system. The DL has underachieved and Vilma's talents haven't been used properly. A major overhaul of the front 7 -- or a change in scheme -- will be needed before the team can reach the next level.

Most of the O-Line is young and will get better, as will Clemens.

Mangini is a good coach, but the main thing that kept Brady out of the end zone was the wind. It was brutal that day.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'll have to wait to see if they sign anybody during the offseason and check out the draft.

I won't agrue that they might improve but I will argue that they won't make the playoffs. There's just too much talent in the AFC.

 

[Baby New Year]

Some thoughts on why I think the Jets will be the surprise team of '08.-- The Jets lost a ton of close games this year. New York had a really difficult schedule, but was in 14 of 16 games. The team didn't quit down the stretch, exhibiting great character. The Jets almost beat New England

You had me then you lost me.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I agree.

But if your wrong, I'm sure this post will get bumped come December.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Some thoughts on why I think the Jets will be the surprise team of '08.-- The Jets lost a ton of close games this year. New York had a really difficult schedule, but was in 14 of 16 games. The team didn't quit down the stretch, exhibiting great character. The Jets almost beat New England

You had me then you lost me.

I agree.The close games, yes. You lose a lot of close games, there's bad luck in there.But the great character is a bit much. Sports cliches shouldn't really convince people of anything.

 

[Patoons]

The problem with the Jets is that their defensive personnel isn't suited to their defensive system. The DL has underachieved and Vilma's talents haven't been used properly. A major overhaul of the front 7 -- or a change in scheme -- will be needed before the team can reach the next level. Most of the O-Line is young and will get better, as will Clemens. Mangini is a good coach, but the main thing that kept Brady out of the end zone was the wind. It was brutal that day.

While this is true, they've added Harris and Revis. Both have been solid. Robertson and Vilma just don't fit the scheme. My guess is Vilma is dealt.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Mangini is a good coach, but the main thing that kept Brady out of the end zone was the wind. It was brutal that day.

It was a little windy in the first quarter, but the weather was pretty mild for the remainder of the game. Pennington completed 66% of his passes that day, against a tough defense. You could see Brady was confused for most of the game.

 

[Patoons]

Some thoughts on why I think the Jets will be the surprise team of '08.-- The Jets lost a ton of close games this year. New York had a really difficult schedule, but was in 14 of 16 games. The team didn't quit down the stretch, exhibiting great character. The Jets almost beat New England

You had me then you lost me.

I agree.The close games, yes. You lose a lot of close games, there's bad luck in there.But the great character is a bit much. Sports cliches shouldn't really convince people of anything.

While it is a cliche - the team did show that they will not quit and they held together. It didn't look like Mangini lost the team this year ... they kept fighting. I think that's more along the lines of Bloom's point. I think the fact that they continued to fight each game and up til the game against KC in OT shows that the team mentality is still relatively strong despite a really disappointing season.

 

[NEUPJ]

The problem with the Jets is that their defensive personnel isn't suited to their defensive system. The DL has underachieved and Vilma's talents haven't been used properly. A major overhaul of the front 7 -- or a change in scheme -- will be needed before the team can reach the next level.

This is my problem with Mangini. They don't have the right personnel for the scheme they run, then don't run it! You run a scheme that gives your team the best chance to win with the personnel you have. If you don't have the people, find a scheme that fits that team, then draft / acquire FA's that meet the needs of the scheme you run, then change it.It's like he's said "hey the Pats ran the 3-4 when I was there, and it worked great, so will we." However, the Pats have often this year run the 4-3 when necessary against certain teams because it gave them the best chance to win.I agree think that the Jets will be able to feast off of a poor schedule next year and will do pretty well. They have Miami for two games and Buffalo for two games which I would figure would be good for 3 wins. They do need to figure out the QB position though.I thought the Jets had the #1 draft of 2006, if they can come close to that in 2008 they should be in good shape.I also despise the Jets and hope they lose every game, but I'm being objective.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

But if your wrong, I'm sure this post will get bumped come December.

Doubtful. Bloom offers a wealth of knowledge and is well respected in this community. Frankly, he probably offers the best insight on this site. (No slight to anyone else)The other tool really offers nothing but senseless ramblings on the Pac-10. He made his own bed. Period.

 

[identikit]

But if your wrong, I'm sure this post will get bumped come December.

Doubtful. Bloom offers a wealth of knowledge and is well respected in this community. Frankly, he probably offers the best insight on this site. (No slight to anyone else)The other tool really offers nothing but senseless ramblings on the Pac-10. He made his own bed. Period.

Id

 

[FUBAR]

very nice pick, they seemed to have horrible luck, despite having talent, this year.

Just to throw out another possibility which I think has more potential:

Carolina Panthers.

They seem to be a sexy pick most years, but while they lost Delhomme early this year and had a bad year because of it, there's also reason to be optimistic.

- QB play has to improve whether that's Delhomme or Moore. Moore actually played well in the last 3 games, he may or may not be the future, but he's better than Vinny or Carr

- Victories late in the year against Seattle and Tampa Bay; in part due to Moore

- Above average defense with a rookie MLB who holds promise, and Peppers should be better next year

- Despite the QB issues, they only gave up an average of 40 yards and 5 points more per game than they gained, and actually outrushed them

- Aside from SS, none of their receiving threats had much experience. This group has talent, which we only saw in glimpses due to QB play

- Can they finally decide that DeAngelo > Foster?

- Aside from Rucker, none of their vital defensive players are over 30

- Fox isn't an elite HC, but he's above average at worst.

 

[awesomeness]

-- Coles, Cotchery and Brad Smith form maybe the top trio of receivers in the league. Coles is probably the toughest receiver in the NFL, and Cotchery and Smith keep getting better. Thomas Jones and Leon Washington form a great 1-2 punch. The Jets big problem is the line, but that can be fixed quickly. If the Jets add Faneca and a RT, the line will be much improved, and either Clemens or Pennington will look very godo.

Arizona Green Bay PackersDetroitDenver (if they can all stay healthy)Cincinnati New EnglandThose are 6 teams that have a better trio of receivers off the top of my head. Coles is the toughest WR in the NFL? He sure doesnt break a lot of tackles for a tough guy.

 

[FUBAR]

-- Coles, Cotchery and Brad Smith form maybe the top trio of receivers in the league. Coles is probably the toughest receiver in the NFL, and Cotchery and Smith keep getting better. Thomas Jones and Leon Washington form a great 1-2 punch. The Jets big problem is the line, but that can be fixed quickly. If the Jets add Faneca and a RT, the line will be much improved, and either Clemens or Pennington will look very godo.

Arizona Green Bay PackersDetroitDenver (if they can all stay healthy)Cincinnati New EnglandThose are 6 teams that have a better trio of receivers off the top of my head. Coles is the toughest WR in the NFL? He sure doesnt break a lot of tackles for a tough guy.

Colts SteelersCowboysBrowns (we can include TE, right?)That's 10, we can probably come up with 6 more that are at least in the same tier, thus making the Jets WRs average.

 

[TLEF316]

NT, LG, RT and a pass rushing OLB are the big needs Put Vilma next to Harris and he'll be fine. Please don't trade him for a 4th rounder. Its not worth it. Unfortunately, NT's don't grow on trees.

Spend that cap money on a guard and a tackle. Use the first draft pick to get a pass rusher(Goltson maybe). Don't draft McFadden and don't spend big $$ on a corner.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think true leadership is lacking on this team

and if anyone is counting on Clemens or

Pennington to be the savior/leader for the

J-E-T-S, then they may be sorely disappointed.

In my opinion, 8-8 in 08 is the best case scenario.

 

[Baby New Year]

Mangini is a good coach, but the main thing that kept Brady out of the end zone was the wind. It was brutal that day.

It was a little windy in the first quarter, but the weather was pretty mild for the remainder of the game. Pennington completed 66% of his passes that day, against a tough defense. You could see Brady was confused for most of the game.

I could?

 

[Workhorse]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Dolphins>Jets in 08. Both should improve, but that's the way I see it rolling.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

BTW, I project well over 1000 post on this thread before opening game 2008.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Bloom

Who do you see behind center next season?

 

[TLEF316]

Dolphins>Jets in 08. Both should improve, but that's the way I see it rolling.

Um, no

 

[Patoons]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

I really do not believe he's lost the team - there has not been any indication of this. The press went CRAZY last year with all the man-genius stuff... and this year lost faith, not the team.

 

[LBH]

Dolphins>Jets in 08. Both should improve, but that's the way I see it rolling.

The Jets have owned the Dolphins for quite a while now, including this year where 2 of their 4 wins were against them. I dont see any reason to believe things will change

 

[Chunky Soup]

Dolphins>Jets in 08. Both should improve, but that's the way I see it rolling.

Um, no

 

[qimqam]

-- Coles, Cotchery and Brad Smith form maybe the top trio of receivers in the league. Coles is probably the toughest receiver in the NFL, and Cotchery and Smith keep getting better. Thomas Jones and Leon Washington form a great 1-2 punch. The Jets big problem is the line, but that can be fixed quickly. If the Jets add Faneca and a RT, the line will be much improved, and either Clemens or Pennington will look very godo.

Arizona Green Bay PackersDetroitDenver (if they can all stay healthy)Cincinnati New EnglandThose are 6 teams that have a better trio of receivers off the top of my head. Coles is the toughest WR in the NFL? He sure doesnt break a lot of tackles for a tough guy.

Colts SteelersCowboysBrowns (we can include TE, right?)That's 10, we can probably come up with 6 more that are at least in the same tier, thus making the Jets WRs average.

Giants (Plaxico, Toomer, Shockey)

 

[NYRAGE]

It was hard for Coles to break tackles because Pennington would always lob a high pass that gave usually two defenders enough time to clobber him. It's a miracle that Coles has held on to so many bad passes. There is no doubt that he is one tough SOB.

Mangini did not lose the locker room. That's insane. They played hard all the way to the last game.

The defense played really well after the bye despite several players being miscast in a 3-4. You just don't change a system from 4-3 to 3-4 overnight. It takes a while. Mangini inherited a bunch of stiffs from Herm the franchise wrecker's regime. Revis and Harris helped. Now he will add a few more 3-4 players.

The biggest factor for any success next year will be the ability to rebuild the oline. It's one of the worst, if not the worst, in the league. Mangold is good, Ferguson is ok, Brandon Moore is mediocre at best, and the LG and RT are future truck drivers.

 

[Schrute]

-- Coles, Cotchery and Brad Smith form maybe the top trio of receivers in the league.

 

[Jason Wood]

Bloom, I thought you despised Brad Smith?

 

[awesomeness]

It was hard for Coles to break tackles because Pennington would always lob a high pass that gave usually two defenders enough time to clobber him. It's a miracle that Coles has held on to so many bad passes. There is no doubt that he is one tough SOB.

 

[Baby New Year]

-- Coles, Cotchery and Brad Smith form maybe the top trio of receivers in the league.

No offense, dude, but I would take Moss, Welker, and my mother over those 3.

 

[sparkky]

I think a better word for "sleeper" would be COMA in this case.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Mangini is a good coach, but the main thing that kept Brady out of the end zone was the wind. It was brutal that day.

It was a little windy in the first quarter, but the weather was pretty mild for the remainder of the game. Pennington completed 66% of his passes that day, against a tough defense. You could see Brady was confused for most of the game.

Brady threw the ball 27 times that day due to an ice storm, freezing rain and wind. Pats ran the ball 35 times. I think the Patriots play calling due to the weather had a little more to do with it than how great the Jets D was that day.

 

[Otis]

Biggest Bloom swing-and-miss in FBG history...

 

[FUBAR]

Biggest Bloom swing-and-miss in FBG history...

A tad early for that, dontcha think?

 

[Otis]

Biggest Bloom swing-and-miss in FBG history...

A tad early for that, dontcha think?

That's a team that needs to rebuild completely from the ground-up and get a couple years in before it can go anywhere. That's been the case for a couple years now, but they have refused to overhaul.

 

[FUBAR]

Biggest Bloom swing-and-miss in FBG history...

A tad early for that, dontcha think?

That's a team that needs to rebuild completely from the ground-up and get a couple years in before it can go anywhere. That's been the case for a couple years now, but they have refused to overhaul.

I happen to (sort of) agree, but that's part of what would make this a surprise. I think this team could come close to squeeking into a WC slot, but in the AFC will fall short. Most likely, they're picking in the top 12 picks. Again, this is why it would be a surprise, not just "improved". Texans could qualify for most improved, but wouldn't be a complete surprise.

 

[Kiddnets]

posted this in another thread - big Jet fan here - I can see a return to respectability in 2008 but if all goes well it is 2009 I am looking at as the year to make a jump - too many holes in 1 yr but here are my thoughts

my offseason thoughts on the JEts.....

Coaching

Mangini and staff have taken a huge step back this year IMO. They get a pass but if it continues he may find himself on the hot seat. Mangini needs to show improvement in 2008 - both in playcalling, gameplanning, etc - its good to see the team has not quit. He is in trouble next year only if there is another train wreck season.

He needs to look back and the differences between this year and last - in 2006 he pushed all the right buttons - when to go for it - when to make a trick play - gameplans, adjustents, etc - this year it seems he is way too timid and has caught the play not to lose disease. He needs to get his swagger back. Also has mismanaged gadget plays (always running with Brad Smith).

Also I would like to see him quit the CIA tactics and just concentrate on football. Bellijerk can act like an ### cause he has won Super Bowls. IMO Mangini looks like a deer in the headlights with his media sidesteps and injury coverups - it looks amateur - I hope he stops it.

Free Agency

Its time to spend some money. That doesnt mean throw a bunch of cash at an old player - nor does it mean spread a bunch of cash out among 6-7 JAGs to hold the fort. I think the FO needs to target 3-4 impact players and go hard after them to try and land 2 of them. I would prefer to land 1 premier OL (hopefully younger than Fancea) and Assante Samuel. The rest of the cash (whatever is left) can be used to plug holes with the also rans they usually land. There is no doubt they need to land 2 impact players in FA and spend money to do it for once.

A premiere FA OL would mitigate the need to blow another 1st rder on an OL and take on in the 3rd or 4th rd where the value OL are located. Samuel, Revis and Rhodes would give the Jets a fantastic young secondary which is critical vs the Pass happy Pats and Colts.

KC will get another year - he has shown glimpses and isnot a train wreck - I would deal Chad for a pick and bring in a veteran backup. I love Chad but the page has turned and we need him gone in order to move on. Maybe draft another long term QB prospect with the Chad pick to develop

Vilma is a good player but a bad fit - I think if he is healthy we could get a late 2nd or early 3rd for him - the move has to be made.

Draft

Enough with the character - Jets need playmakers. I dont care if they draft a bunch of U of Miami thugs as long as they can be impact players!

If the stud RB is there - you take him no questions asked

If not - I would try to trade down a few spots and get more picks. Jets will likely be in the 4-6 range which is a bit easier to trade out of. They have a ton of holes and need more picks than Jets have. If they can trade down to 10-12 and get another 2nd and 3rd rder I would do it.

If all this shakes out we could be looking at a top 12 1st rder; a top 5 2nd rder; a mid 2nd rder; 3 3rd rders (Vilma and a trade down); 2 4th rders (Chad deal), 5th, 6th, 7th.

That would land us 3 potential starters in the first 3 picks and 5 3rd and 4th rd picks to land one or 2 more starters.

Of those picks the focus should be:

1st rd - Best pass rusher

2nd rd - Tall WR who can stretch the field

2nd rd - Big Run stuffing DT

3rd rd - Big road grating OL

3rd rd - Athletic playmaking TE

3rd Rd - LB depth

4th rd - DL depth

4th rd - QB project

5th - BAP

6th - BAP

7th - BAP

This type of offseason could replenish the talent level on this team which is critical - that combined with a retro 2006 coaching style could turn this team around

Yes everything hinges on KC - but honestly the kid has shown enough glimpses to hand him the reigns in 2008. 1st year struggle for a QB are the norm: Simms, Peyton, etc - give the kid a better OL, a running game, a healthy set of WRs with a new playmaker to stretch the field, another pass catching TE and watch him develop.

Thomas Jones is not a difference maker but he can hold the fort another year - improving the OL is much more important IMO.

Follow this plan and IMO they can be 9-7 with a possible WC next year with a chance to be players in 2009.

 

[TLEF316]

Biggest Bloom swing-and-miss in FBG history...

A tad early for that, dontcha think?

That's a team that needs to rebuild completely from the ground-up and get a couple years in before it can go anywhere. That's been the case for a couple years now, but they have refused to overhaul.

Otis, I'm not sure i agree with you. I think this team could contend for a WC spot next year if they add a few key pieces. If they can get an instant impact pass-rusher with 1.6 and add two FA offensive linemen, that would help tremendously. They are fine at WR, TE and RB(although obviously far from great) and they have some play-makers on D(Rhodes is an elite player and Harris and Revis both had tremendous rookie years. I have a feeling Vilma bounces back next year playing next to Harris)For me, the biggest concern is NT(not easy to fix) and O-line(could be fixed in free Agency) I think this will be an 8-8 team next year. That obviously doesn't put them in the playoffs, but it doesn't mean total rebuild (especially not with a first year starter at QB)If you're in favor of a rebuild, who do you suggest dumping?Vilma? Is it worth dumping a 25 yr old former pro-bowl LB for a 4th rounder?Pennington? Again, what will you get for him? (Other than cap relief)Robertson?(again, what will you get?)Ellis(this one i could see)Mccariens(He's gone. Thank god)Bryan Thomas-(1 decent year and a new contract. that one stings)Other than that, who is there to dump? This isn't an old team.

 

[Workhorse]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

I really do not believe he's lost the team - there has not been any indication of this. The press went CRAZY last year with all the man-genius stuff... and this year lost faith, not the team.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...oning_play.html

 

[Rovers]

Three things the Jets MUST do to live up to sleeper status:

1. Get a NT. That is much easier said than done, 3-4 NT's are hard to find. The defense could also REALLY use an OLB that can generate a consistant pass rush. Thomas was a big disappointment this year, and Hobson is pedestrian at best.

2. Get a LG. Kendall wasn't all that, but what they plugged in at that position this year was absolute trash. Ferguson has struggled, and he needs someone on his right side to help him out badly! Preferably, a LG that has been around the block in the NFL, not a rook.

3. Get a ORT. The right side is bad enough with Moore at RG, but the Jets have another ZERO on the o line at RT. I've been saying this for three years now..... the Jets rush attack is awful because the O line can't run block.

If the Jets can solve those three problems, then yes, I could see them as a sleeper for 2008. I can't judge Clemens on what he did this year. He had NO protection. Yes, he made some errors, some appeared to be unforced bad throws, but he often hurried when he didn't have to because he knew he had no time to let a play develop. All young QB's need some game time to improve.

The Jets could use a deep threat at WR, but it's a moot point until the O line can block long enough to allow a deep pattern to develop. Too bad Chansi Stuckey went down... I thought he had potential as a deep threat.

Sounds to me like Vilma's injury is pretty serious. that might make him untradable. He HATES the 3-4. Could be another Kendall-type situation in the making. I really don't see the Jets trading Pennington. The Jets have no backup to Clemens. He might want out, but Christmas is gone, and so is Santa.

If Mangini has another year like 2007, he will be looking for a job. Hopefully, he will address the biggest issues, and that is O line even over a NT. This offense is awful. Jones and Washington are a good enough tandem.... but they need to get some blockers in front of them. Unless the O line is addressed, I predict a 6 win season, despite a softer schedule.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Bloom,

I think you're being way too optimistic about the Jets prospects in 08. The offense took a major step back in 07, especially the offensive line. The right side of the line was one of the worst in the entire league, and while it's nice wishful thinking to pencil in Faneca, it's not a given, and Ferguson is a major disappointment at this point in his career. Coles ended up being very fragile this year, and Brad Smith did not step up and seize the opportunity when Coles was banged up. The team would honestly be better off parting ways with Coles if they can get something in return. Kellen Clemens showed little to no improvement as the season went on, and we've already seen that the Jets are in trouble if they have to turn back to Pennington.

On defense, the front 7 has little to nothing to be hopeful about except for Harris. They have no difference makers rushing from the edge, and they don't have the beef to control the line of scrimmage. Bryan Thomas and Victor Hobson aren't even starting quality LBs, and I hope they trade Vilma to free him from the horrible way they have misused him in the Mangini era. Rhodes didnt look nearly as good as he did in 06, and Im not convinced Eric Smith is the answer at the other safety position. Revis is a franchise player, but that's not going to translate to much if they don't have the pass rush to force QBs into bad decisions.

The Jets were lucky they had Dolphins twice on the schedule or they were staring down the barrel of a two win season. The honeymoon is over, and just to top it off, they won the Herm bowl in week 17 to drop from the 3rd pick to the 6th pick so they can miss out on the one player who would be an instant boost to the front 7, a polished 3-4 end who can still bring the heat - Chris Long.

Its getting bad enough that I'm seriously considering renouncing my allegiance to the Jets.

 

[Rovers]

Bloom,I think you're being way too optimistic about the Jets prospects in 08. The offense took a major step back in 07, especially the offensive line. The right side of the line was one of the worst in the entire league, and while it's nice wishful thinking to pencil in Faneca, it's not a given, and Ferguson is a major disappointment at this point in his career. Coles ended up being very fragile this year, and Brad Smith did not step up and seize the opportunity when Coles was banged up. The team would honestly be better off parting ways with Coles if they can get something in return. Kellen Clemens showed little to no improvement as the season went on, and we've already seen that the Jets are in trouble if they have to turn back to Pennington.On defense, the front 7 has little to nothing to be hopeful about except for Harris. They have no difference makers rushing from the edge, and they don't have the beef to control the line of scrimmage. Bryan Thomas and Victor Hobson aren't even starting quality LBs, and I hope they trade Vilma to free him from the horrible way they have misused him in the Mangini era. Rhodes didnt look nearly as good as he did in 06, and Im not convinced Eric Smith is the answer at the other safety position. Revis is a franchise player, but that's not going to translate to much if they don't have the pass rush to force QBs into bad decisions. The Jets were lucky they had Dolphins twice on the schedule or they were staring down the barrel of a two win season. The honeymoon is over, and just to top it off, they won the Herm bowl in week 17 to drop from the 3rd pick to the 6th pick so they can miss out on the one player who would be an instant boost to the front 7, a polished 3-4 end who can still bring the heat - Chris Long.Its getting bad enough that I'm seriously considering renouncing my allegiance to the Jets.

What!?! You think a DE is the answer, and you will jump ship? Chase, come off the ledge. Seriously.

 

[Da Guru]

The WRs are good, but not nearly great. Brad Smith is still learning to be a WR, Coles is tough and steady and Crotchery has potential but the QB situation will keep them from getting to the next level anytime soon.

 

[Keys Myaths]

The WRs are good, but not nearly great. Brad Smith is still learning to be a WR, Coles is tough and steady and Crotchery has potential but the QB situation will keep them from getting to the next level anytime soon.

Keep in mind, I disagree with a lot of what Bloom says, but what does QB play have to do with Cotchery's talent level?

 

[Patoons]

Biggest Bloom swing-and-miss in FBG history...

A tad early for that, dontcha think?

That's a team that needs to rebuild completely from the ground-up and get a couple years in before it can go anywhere. That's been the case for a couple years now, but they have refused to overhaul.

They were a playoff team a year ago.

 

[Da Guru]

The WRs are good, but not nearly great. Brad Smith is still learning to be a WR, Coles is tough and steady and Crotchery has potential but the QB situation will keep them from getting to the next level anytime soon.

Keep in mind, I disagree with a lot of what Bloom says, but what does QB play have to do with Cotchery's talent level?

See Steve Smith this past year. Talent is useless unless someone can get you the ball.

 

[Keys Myaths]

The WRs are good, but not nearly great. Brad Smith is still learning to be a WR, Coles is tough and steady and Crotchery has potential but the QB situation will keep them from getting to the next level anytime soon.

Keep in mind, I disagree with a lot of what Bloom says, but what does QB play have to do with Cotchery's talent level?

See Steve Smith this past year. Talent is useless unless someone can get you the ball.

Your point was that Cotchery was good and not great because of his QB.If you don't think Steve Smith is still a great receiver, I can't help you, I guess.