Sleeper team for 08 (1 Viewer)

[Assani Fisher]

Just came in here to brag that I called the Jets success in 2006: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=270817

Oh and yeah that "top WR trio in the league" comment is the worst thing Sigmund has ever written imo.

 

[cstu]

I think true leadership is lacking on this teamand if anyone is counting on Clemens orPennington to be the savior/leader for theJ-E-T-S, then they may be sorely disappointed.In my opinion, 8-8 in 08 is the best case scenario.

Ah, now I get it - you're typing on a Commodore 64.

 

[Baby New Year]

Just came in here to brag that I called the Jets success in 2006: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=270817

I can respect a guy for at least being up front about his bragging instead of trying to sneak it in as an on topic comment.

 

[sheerterror]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

I really do not believe he's lost the team - there has not been any indication of this. The press went CRAZY last year with all the man-genius stuff... and this year lost faith, not the team.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...oning_play.html

How are you going to link to an article from week 6 in reference to the Jets quitting on Mangini? The argument has been that down the stretch, the most likely time for this team to have quit, they didn't. While they didn't win many games in the last half of the season, there was a noticeable improvement, particularly in the defense after the bye, and they were in practically every game they played. That, to me, doesn't sound like this team quit, regardless of what Chris Baker said in the middle of October.

 

[Reaper]

- Saying the Jets HC lost his locker room when they battled every game till the end is ridiculous to me... Especially based on one article...

I watched all the post games stuff from the last games and interviews and as a fan that often in the past "threw in the towel" and hoped for a better draft pick when "All was lost" - I truly felt and saw a lot of players with Pride that talked about TEAM and felt like they were building something.....

FAR FAR from a locker room divided and players that wanted to jump ship.... Even Coles, the guy who over the years was looked at as the guy who butted with Mangini, was talking about finishing his career here and building something for next year...

To me, one of the best things as a fan this season was watching a team NOT give up - I called the Steeler win, called the Dallas loss after 2 days of prep on the road and called a tight game Vs the Pats before the weather reports.

When I saw every last interview after that last game I felt glad they squeeked out that last win Vs KC and left the stadium smiling..... That's not a feeling I get every year - certainly not under Herm.

THAT SAID, and adding that the defense could add a few pieces, maybe change the coach and be REAL good next year, It's tough for me to pick a "SLEEPER TEAM" that has such a huge question mark at QB......

Kellen Clemens is nothing but a question mark right now -

They need to hit home runs in FA and the draft - add 2-3 real good OL - add a pass rusher and possibly another weapon on offense AND have the QB shake out and stay healthy...

There's a big bucket of teams that can have things go their way and be a sleeper team that just makes the playoffs and the Jets are certainly in that bucket - But, QB is too big of a hole to go out on a limb for.

And squeeking and just making the playoffs was something this team did a few times over the years - the hope is for more than that- to find the franchise QB and get to the next level.

 

[Workhorse]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

I really do not believe he's lost the team - there has not been any indication of this. The press went CRAZY last year with all the man-genius stuff... and this year lost faith, not the team.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...oning_play.html

How are you going to link to an article from week 6 in reference to the Jets quitting on Mangini? The argument has been that down the stretch, the most likely time for this team to have quit, they didn't. While they didn't win many games in the last half of the season, there was a noticeable improvement, particularly in the defense after the bye, and they were in practically every game they played. That, to me, doesn't sound like this team quit, regardless of what Chris Baker said in the middle of October.

Wait a sec - Look at my first post again: "I think he's lost that locker room midseason". And just because the team "didn't quit" doesn't mean that they have faith in the coaching staff.

 

[Kiddnets]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

I really do not believe he's lost the team - there has not been any indication of this. The press went CRAZY last year with all the man-genius stuff... and this year lost faith, not the team.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...oning_play.html

How are you going to link to an article from week 6 in reference to the Jets quitting on Mangini? The argument has been that down the stretch, the most likely time for this team to have quit, they didn't. While they didn't win many games in the last half of the season, there was a noticeable improvement, particularly in the defense after the bye, and they were in practically every game they played. That, to me, doesn't sound like this team quit, regardless of what Chris Baker said in the middle of October.

Wait a sec - Look at my first post again: "I think he's lost that locker room midseason". And just because the team "didn't quit" doesn't mean that they have faith in the coaching staff.

I disagree - watching a team quit is the essence of losing faith in the coaching - the fact that the Jets played hard until the end (undisputed) tells me that Mangini didn't lose ther locker room - obviously he took a big step back this year in coaching overall (see my previous post) but IMO he did not lose the players which is the only thing he can hang his hat on this year. He lays another egg next year and I'm not so sure he will be able to keep the locker room together.

 

[Da Guru]

The WRs are good, but not nearly great. Brad Smith is still learning to be a WR, Coles is tough and steady and Crotchery has potential but the QB situation will keep them from getting to the next level anytime soon.

Keep in mind, I disagree with a lot of what Bloom says, but what does QB play have to do with Cotchery's talent level?

See Steve Smith this past year. Talent is useless unless someone can get you the ball.

Your point was that Cotchery was good and not great because of his QB.If you don't think Steve Smith is still a great receiver, I can't help you, I guess.

My point is is does not matter how great you are as a WR, if you can`t get the ball nobody will ever know.

 

[Reaper]

The thing that really hurt the Jets is that a lot of players were throwing out the Mangini koolaid this season. I think he's lost that locker room midseason and it will take a serious purge of existing players to get the team back believing in the head coach.

I really do not believe he's lost the team - there has not been any indication of this. The press went CRAZY last year with all the man-genius stuff... and this year lost faith, not the team.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...oning_play.html

How are you going to link to an article from week 6 in reference to the Jets quitting on Mangini? The argument has been that down the stretch, the most likely time for this team to have quit, they didn't. While they didn't win many games in the last half of the season, there was a noticeable improvement, particularly in the defense after the bye, and they were in practically every game they played. That, to me, doesn't sound like this team quit, regardless of what Chris Baker said in the middle of October.

Wait a sec - Look at my first post again: "I think he's lost that locker room midseason". And just because the team "didn't quit" doesn't mean that they have faith in the coaching staff.

I think you get a MUCH different picture when you watch all the insider shows and interviews with Mangini and behind the scenes stuff with the players / Coaching staff reacting to eachother and all....

Just like you get a MUCH different picture of Bellichik in his insider shows and interviews as opposed to the national media that sometime tries to portray him as the Mumbling Hobo who can't relate to humans......

I think losing this team is the complete opposite of what the Jets went through this season - Yeah there were ups and downs and players grumbing at times but, that happens when teams lose, that's not losing the team, that's Players with pride dying to win.

they've drafted and accumulated a lot of good smart "Leader" type guys and I think that's what really shows and is the reason you hear these guys now talking about building something and wanting to stay.

As a fan, the bright spots in this season was a draft of Harris and Revis filling two crucial holes and the fact that this locker room was NOT lost one bit.

I think the players know just how close they were to winning a lot of games this year and how the difference between winning and losing in this league is THAT slim after seeing last year compared to this year..... They know they have a few holes to fill and an OL that was in over it's head. They also know that the finish of this season has been the start of next season and building towards a goal.....

To bad you can't get all the quotes from those post game / post season interviews but, believe me there was a TON of emotion to end the season and not just a bunch of guys clearing ou their lockers looking to run out of there.

And again.. I'm not debating the Jets as a Sleeper Team either... I can't do that fora team with such a QB ??????????

 

[Maroney=Speed]

But if your wrong, I'm sure this post will get bumped come December.

Doubtful. Bloom offers a wealth of knowledge and is well respected in this community. Frankly, he probably offers the best insight on this site. (No slight to anyone else)The other tool really offers nothing but senseless ramblings on the Pac-10. He made his own bed. Period.

Agree. Bloom is the best or one of them.EBF is great as well.But this site is for everyone to say what they think.Right or wrong. The more people who put down what they think the better.Thats all I'm trying to say.I'll add Miami wins at least 5 games next year. Bloom

 

[pretender]

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

For the record, my sleeper team from the AFC East is actually Buffalo.

 

[AB in DC]

 

[Kleck]

One man sure has made a difference. I bet I heard 20+ people on TV and radio today say the Jets are one of their sleepers.

Bloom, ahead of the curve once again...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

For the record, my sleeper team from the AFC East is actually Buffalo.

 

[FUBAR]

One man sure has made a difference. I bet I heard 20+ people on TV and radio today say the Jets are one of their sleepers.Bloom, ahead of the curve once again...

so, Bloom, do you have any stock tips?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Bloom knows things.

 

[Bri]

In 2 weeks, battle against Titans should be good

 

[Bri]

Titans should be the sleeper team of 08 but, it doesn't take away from a great call by Bloom

 

[MCguidance]

In 2 weeks, battle against Titans should be good

The Jets would be foolish to look past the Pats for the division lead NEXT week, a Thursday game. Short week for both teams, will be a very good game in NE. Great call on the Jets, btw. Long season, though.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

great call, Bloom

 

[FUBAR]

very nice pick, they seemed to have horrible luck, despite having talent, this year.

Just to throw out another possibility which I think has more potential:

Carolina Panthers.

They seem to be a sexy pick most years, but while they lost Delhomme early this year and had a bad year because of it, there's also reason to be optimistic.

- QB play has to improve whether that's Delhomme or Moore. Moore actually played well in the last 3 games, he may or may not be the future, but he's better than Vinny or Carr

- Victories late in the year against Seattle and Tampa Bay; in part due to Moore

- Above average defense with a rookie MLB who holds promise, and Peppers should be better next year

- Despite the QB issues, they only gave up an average of 40 yards and 5 points more per game than they gained, and actually outrushed them

- Aside from SS, none of their receiving threats had much experience. This group has talent, which we only saw in glimpses due to QB play

- Can they finally decide that DeAngelo > Foster?

- Aside from Rucker, none of their vital defensive players are over 30

- Fox isn't an elite HC, but he's above average at worst.

 

[FUBAR]

Titans should be the sleeper team of 08 but, it doesn't take away from a great call by Bloom

Maybe, but they made the playoffs last year and weren't sleeping. Overachieving, surprise team sure.