Sleeper WR's Revisited (1 Viewer)

[ookook]

I wanted to continue this thread but with a more concise definition.

Please discuss WRs that can be drafted in round 14 or later that have the best chance to put up good enough numbers to start. That is, will finish WR36 or better.

I offer my personal favorites:

(1) Amani Toomer

(2) Corey Bradford

(3) Peerless Price

(4) Ashley Lelie

Toomer will do better as the defenses continue to adjust to Plaxico. He may be the Resurgent Veteran of the Year candidate.

Bradford may be WR2 for Mike Martz. Nuff said.

Price did well as WR2 in BUF and may still ahve talent that was obscured in ATL.

Lelie...well he now has something to prove...somewhere.....soemhow.

 

[diesel7982]

I wanted to continue this thread but with a more concise definition.

Please discuss WRs that can be drafted in round 14 or later that have the best chance to put up good enough numbers to start. That is, will finish WR36 or better.

I offer my personal favorites:

(1) Amani Toomer

(2) Corey Bradford

(3) Peerless Price

(4) Ashley Lelie

Toomer will do better as the defenses continue to adjust to Plaxico. He may be the Resurgent Veteran of the Year candidate.

Bradford may be WR2 for Mike Martz. Nuff said.

Price did well as WR2 in BUF and may still ahve talent that was obscured in ATL.

Lelie...well he now has something to prove...somewhere.....soemhow.

By his own admission, Toomer was surprised he wasn't cut this offseason. He'll be lucky to hold on to his starting job this year, and will finish no higher than 4th on the team in receptions. I can't see the potential here.

 

[J-Money]

Brandon Stokely (14.07)

Troy Williamson (14.11)

Reggie Williams (13.09, is that close enough?)

With Edge gone, I think teams can afford to focus on the 2 big WR targets, leaving Stokely free to do what he pleases.

Williamson, well I just think he has a good chance...can't really justify it

Reggie williams is currently listed as a starter and has just as much a chance to put up jimmy smith's numbers as matt jones. Who knows, after TC Wilford could take his spot in the starting lineup, but as of right now Wilford is going 2 rounds before him and is supposedly behind him in the lineup.

 

[MLBrandow]

38. Kevin Curtis WR STL 10.08.64 5.05 13.02 19.88 39

39. Eric Moulds WR BUF 10.08.74 7.07 13.04 13.99 42

40. Braylon Edwards WR CLE 10.10.03 8.12 13.01 11.43 36

41. Keyshawn Johnson WR CAR 10.10.69 8.07 13.06 14.77 42

42. Ernest Wilford WR JAC 11.03.69 9.02 13.03 14.72 32

43. Antonio Bryant WR SFO 11.03.71 8.12 13.12 13.28 41

44. Mark Clayton WR BAL 11.05.72 7.03 13.10 16.10 39

45. Keenan McCardell WR SDC 11.08.11 8.08 13.10 13.94 45

46. David Givens WR TEN 11.12.43 8.08 15.01 16.75 37

47. Isaac Bruce WR STL 12.01.56 8.11 14.07 15.65 43

48. Joe Jurevicius WR CLE 12.10.67 8.09 15.02 16.39 48

49. Roddy White WR ATL 12.12.47 10.05 16.10 15.27 43

50. Brandon Lloyd WR WAS 13.01.79 9.04 16.02 18.16 42

51. Reggie Williams WR JAC 13.08.24 10.03 16.08 20.39 33

52. Amani Toomer WR NYG 14.03.87 10.08 16.07 19.90 23

53. Sinorice Moss WR NYG 14.04.58 12.02 16.05 14.79 12

54. Chad Jackson WR NEP 14.05.59 10.10 16.12 18.58 29

55. Brandon Stokley WR IND 14.06.47 11.09 16.11 17.16 32

56. Mike Williams WR DET 14.08.06 10.01 16.10 23.38 18

57. Eric Parker WR SDC 14.08.29 13.06 16.03 12.00 7

58. Troy Williamson WR MIN 14.11.12 11.04 16.11 16.23 26

59. Samie Parker WR KCC 14.12.71 11.10 16.11 14.96 28

60. Ashley Lelie WR DEN 15.02.61 13.06 16.12 13.96 18

61. Charles Rogers WR DET 15.04.44 12.09 16.12 18.38 9

62. Reche Caldwell WR NEP 15.04.60 13.11 16.08 14.26 5

63. Antwaan Randle El WR WAS 15.05.81 11.03 16.09 17.99 16

64. Bobby Engram WR SEA 15.07.44 13.10 16.12 13.24 9

65. Michael Jenkins WR ATL 15.12.29 14.02 16.12 11.87 14

I see those guys as solid value.

 

[jurb26]

38. Kevin Curtis WR STL 10.08.64 5.05 13.02 19.88 39

39. Eric Moulds WR BUF 10.08.74 7.07 13.04 13.99 42

40. Braylon Edwards WR CLE 10.10.03 8.12 13.01 11.43 36

41. Keyshawn Johnson WR CAR 10.10.69 8.07 13.06 14.77 42

42. Ernest Wilford WR JAC 11.03.69 9.02 13.03 14.72 32

43. Antonio Bryant WR SFO 11.03.71 8.12 13.12 13.28 41

44. Mark Clayton WR BAL 11.05.72 7.03 13.10 16.10 39

45. Keenan McCardell WR SDC 11.08.11 8.08 13.10 13.94 45

46. David Givens WR TEN 11.12.43 8.08 15.01 16.75 37

47. Isaac Bruce WR STL 12.01.56 8.11 14.07 15.65 43

48. Joe Jurevicius WR CLE 12.10.67 8.09 15.02 16.39 48

49. Roddy White WR ATL 12.12.47 10.05 16.10 15.27 43

50. Brandon Lloyd WR WAS 13.01.79 9.04 16.02 18.16 42

51. Reggie Williams WR JAC 13.08.24 10.03 16.08 20.39 33

52. Amani Toomer WR NYG 14.03.87 10.08 16.07 19.90 23

53. Sinorice Moss WR NYG 14.04.58 12.02 16.05 14.79 12

54. Chad Jackson WR NEP 14.05.59 10.10 16.12 18.58 29

55. Brandon Stokley WR IND 14.06.47 11.09 16.11 17.16 32

56. Mike Williams WR DET 14.08.06 10.01 16.10 23.38 18

57. Eric Parker WR SDC 14.08.29 13.06 16.03 12.00 7

58. Troy Williamson WR MIN 14.11.12 11.04 16.11 16.23 26

59. Samie Parker WR KCC 14.12.71 11.10 16.11 14.96 28

60. Ashley Lelie WR DEN 15.02.61 13.06 16.12 13.96 18

61. Charles Rogers WR DET 15.04.44 12.09 16.12 18.38 9

62. Reche Caldwell WR NEP 15.04.60 13.11 16.08 14.26 5

63. Antwaan Randle El WR WAS 15.05.81 11.03 16.09 17.99 16

64. Bobby Engram WR SEA 15.07.44 13.10 16.12 13.24 9

65. Michael Jenkins WR ATL 15.12.29 14.02 16.12 11.87 14

I see those guys as solid value.

Added a few.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I wanted to continue this thread but with a more concise definition.

Please discuss WRs that can be drafted in round 14 or later that have the best chance to put up good enough numbers to start. That is, will finish WR36 or better.

I offer my personal favorites:

(1) Amani Toomer

(2) Corey Bradford

(3) Peerless Price

(4) Ashley Lelie

Toomer will do better as the defenses continue to adjust to Plaxico. He may be the Resurgent Veteran of the Year candidate.

Bradford may be WR2 for Mike Martz. Nuff said.

Price did well as WR2 in BUF and may still ahve talent that was obscured in ATL.

Lelie...well he now has something to prove...somewhere.....soemhow.

By his own admission, Toomer was surprised he wasn't cut this offseason. He'll be lucky to hold on to his starting job this year, and will finish no higher than 4th on the team in receptions. I can't see the potential here.

i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss Toomer. Eli looked his way a LOT in critical situations, and the distribution of targets between him and Plax was much more even in the 2nd half of the year.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love. He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year? He's the WR#3 people.

 

[wannabee]

I wanted to continue this thread but with a more concise definition.

Please discuss WRs that can be drafted in round 14 or later that have the best chance to put up good enough numbers to start. That is, will finish WR36 or better.

I offer my personal favorites:

(1) Amani Toomer

(2) Corey Bradford

(3) Peerless Price

(4) Ashley Lelie

Toomer will do better as the defenses continue to adjust to Plaxico. He may be the Resurgent Veteran of the Year candidate.

Bradford may be WR2 for Mike Martz. Nuff said.

Price did well as WR2 in BUF and may still ahve talent that was obscured in ATL.

Lelie...well he now has something to prove...somewhere.....soemhow.

By his own admission, Toomer was surprised he wasn't cut this offseason. He'll be lucky to hold on to his starting job this year, and will finish no higher than 4th on the team in receptions. I can't see the potential here.

i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss Toomer. Eli looked his way a LOT in critical situations, and the distribution of targets between him and Plax was much more even in the 2nd half of the year.

Toomer is one guy I am targeting late in drafts. He is being drafted as WR55 (174 overall. I would love Toomer as a WR4 this year.http://www.footballguys.com/06dodds_adp.php

Here is a buy low spotlight I did for Toomer:

One WR that seems to slip in dynasty drafts is Amani Toomer. He went in the late 18th round of a recent initial dynasty draft full of strong owners from this board. Right now, Toomer's redraft ADP is WR55 and the 174th player overall taken - and has slipped evelen spots in the ADP. Think about that. A WR who is only 31 years old (turning 32 in Sept) who put up good numbers ... around WR30 last year depending on scoring system, going that late.

Toomer had 7 games with five or more receptions. He had seven TDs. Here is the game logs: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1262/gamelogs/2005

I will add that I think, for the value, Toomer is a much better player than Plaxico Burress. Burress costs a 4th round pick and Toomer a 18th rounder. Plax did outscore Toomer by 2.75 ppg last year in PPR leagues. But, Plax is considered a borderline WR1/WR2, while Toomer is a GREAT WR4.

Toomer even had over 100 targets again in 2005. I expect him to have another three or four years left in his career. Eli is improving and should help stabilize those numbers.

Conclusion:

If you are late in your draft, dynasty or redraft, and need a great WR4 (where he is being drafted) at a cheap price, draft Toomer. Last year, he had almost half of his games with atleast 5 catches. That shows me that Eli is looking to him consistently.

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[Adam Sommer]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love. He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year? He's the WR#3 people.

Well, I also happen to like Curtis this year. I say this because I am in the crowd that does not trust Bruce's health this season. I also believe that if the Rams start the season well, then the coaching staff will make sure he stays rested and healthy for a playoff run or even playoff games.....meaning Curis could see action even has a #3 on the depth chart.That being said, here are a few points:

1. Bruce is a fan favorite, and one of the best Rams player ever.

2. Without Martz, I see the passing game in STL slowing down a bit; not leaving room for a WR#3 to put up decent fantasy numbers.

3. Bruce is obviously one of the most talented WR in the NFL, and I believe that he will start without a doubt if healthy.

But should he or Holt get injured, Curtis will have some nice games (and both were injured last year).....

 

[Biabreakable]

Unfortunitly these 4 players are the poster boys for poor catch to target percentages:

1) Amani Toomer 51.25 completion % of targets past 4 years.

(2) Corey Bradford 45.75 completion % of targets past 4 years.

(3) Peerless Price 49.5 completion % of targets past 4 years.

(4) Ashley Lelie 52.1 completion % of targets past 4 years.

I think any production from them will be sporadic at best to the point of making them unstartable. That is unless you see one of these players being targeted 130 times over the course of the season. Because that is what it will take for one of them to catch 65 passes based on this information.

ETA- it takes 65 catches for a reciever to average 4 catches a game over 16 games which is what you are looking for imo if you want your Wr to be startable on a consistent basis.

 

[David Yudkin]

ETA- it takes 65 catches for a reciever to average 4 catches a game over 16 games which is what you are looking for imo if you want your Wr to be startable on a consistent basis.

Only 27 WR had 65 receptions last year. 25 in 2004. 21 in 2003. 27 in 2002. 27 in 2001.The point being that there are not many guys that are going to get 65 receptions, and the huge majority of them will go early. Once you get to 50+ WR off the board, IMO, htere will not be many sure htings left and it's just a matter of fishing in the right spots to see what you might catch.

 

[BigRed]

(1) Amani Toomer

(2) Corey Bradford

(3) Peerless Price

(4) Ashley Lelie

:X I would go with (not in order)

Edwards

Bryant

McCardell

Rogers

Lloyd

Bruce should not be in this group and lol @ Mike Wms or Randy L making even this low-end list.

 

[Jackal King]

Well...When looking for a late round WR who may have some upside, I like to start with the depth charts and see where the last 4-6 WR1's are being drafted.

It looks to me like (barring injury) the WR1 on a team has a very good chance of finishing in the top 36 WR's. If you look at the top 36 WR's from 2005, 27 teams had at least 1 WR in the top 36, and 5 did not.

Of the 5 teams that missed...

CHI - Muhammy (37) Missed 2 games.

TEN - Bennett (38) Missed 4 games.

MIN - Taylor (44)

HOU - Johnson (47) Missed 4 games.

ATL - Finneran (55)

29 teams had a WR in the top 38. So...if you can roster a WR1, he has about a 90% chance of doing no worse than the WR36-38 range.

It appears to me that all of the WR1's on the current depth charts are being drafted before round 14....with one exception, which is Michael Jenkins, who has an ADP somewhere in round 17.

If you happen to think that Roddy is number 1 on the depth chart, then you can get him late in round 13, where there is probably some value. But, if you think Jenkins will be the number one guy, then you can get him about 4 rounds later.

So, I'd definitely take a flyer on Jenkins if he doesn't move up much higher. Good size at 6'4". Going into the magic 3rd year. Defenses will be daring Vick to throw, and White may keep secondarys a little more balanced. He's not going to be the steal of the draft, but I doubt he'll have little trouble surpassing his current ADP.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love. He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year? He's the WR#3 people.

 

[Z-Dog]

For me it's:

Keyshawn Johnson - For one, he's one of those guys who regularly catches more than 65 balls. If Steve Smith get hurt, Johnson could have a big season, but even if Smith's healthy, I seek Keyshawn rebounding some from last year's low ypc. A good fit, and a return to Dan Henning, the Carolina OC, who m Johnson played for in New York.

Antonio Bryant - he had a very nice season last year, getting 1009 yards and 4 TDs on 69 catches. I feel like the market has overeacted to the 49ers bad year, and Alex Smith's groing pains. Of all the offensive players I could get on SF, Bryant is the guy I feel most comfortable about producing.

Isaac Bruce - Here's a guy who, in addition to being injured, also played only five games with his starting QB. Bruce is not that old, and had nearly 1300 yards in 2004.

 

[diesel7982]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.  He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.   He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

Linehan's #2 last year, a former Pro Bowler, finished #43.

 

[diesel7982]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.   He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

Linehan's #2 last year, a former Pro Bowler, finished #43.

Calling Marty Booker a "former Pro Bowler" does nothing to justify STL's #2 WR not being a value. Are you suggesting Booker is still capable of playing at a pro bowl level?

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.   He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

Linehan's #2 last year, a former Pro Bowler, finished #43.

Calling Marty Booker a "former Pro Bowler" does nothing to justify STL's #2 WR not being a value. Are you suggesting Booker is still capable of playing at a pro bowl level?

I'm suggesting that Booker is still able to play at a very high level given this will only be his 8th season in the NFL.So not only are you projecting Curtis to beat out Bruce, you are also speculating that Linehan's #2 will finish a full 18 spots higher than his previous year's #2. Not out of the realm of possibility, but definitely not likely either.

I think there are more likely places to find WR value.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I really like Sammie Parker of KC for this year. Toward the end of the season last year for KC he really looked like their best WR. Parker should see somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 targets which should equate to about 60 receptions.

 

[Biabreakable]

ETA- it takes 65 catches for a reciever to average 4 catches a game over 16 games which is what you are looking for imo if you want your Wr to be startable on a consistent basis.

Only 27 WR had 65 receptions last year. 25 in 2004. 21 in 2003. 27 in 2002. 27 in 2001.The point being that there are not many guys that are going to get 65 receptions, and the huge majority of them will go early. Once you get to 50+ WR off the board, IMO, htere will not be many sure htings left and it's just a matter of fishing in the right spots to see what you might catch.

Good point Anarchy.I dont see these 4 Wrs as being very likely to reach 50 catches and what catches they do get will come sporadicly is my main point. I think there are better targets for late round Wrs than these.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I really like Sammie Parker of KC for this year. Toward the end of the season last year for KC he really looked like their best WR. Parker should see somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 targets which should equate to about 60 receptions.

Wow, that would be an impressive percentage, especially considering no other receiver did that last year (with an appreciable amount of targets). I believe only TJ House and Eric Parker came close to the 70% plateau.Nonetheless, I like S. Parker's value as well. He had a solid run in Weeks 12-16 where he averaged 5 catches and 65 yds/game (24 rec., 329 yards). Not yet the best receiver on the team, but a good value late.

 

[nygiants56]

Greg Jennings, GB..who else does GB have, besides Driver?

Kennison. Quietly put up 68-1102-5 last year, at the same time Green's stats

fell to just 17 passing TDs..Herm Edwards wants to throw the deep ball and balance out the offensive attack from being so ridiculously run-heavy to a more

even split between run/pass...

Could be an 80 catch season for Kennison. He has one of the highest YPC avg's in the NFL, if he just gets a few more catches he'd be a top 20 WR...

KC plays an extremely EASY schedule in 2006.

Kennison - 80-1296-9

 

[-OZ-]

Kennison. Quietly put up 68-1102-5 last year, at the same time Green's stats

fell to just 17 passing TDs..Herm Edwards wants to throw the deep ball and balance out the offensive attack from being so ridiculously run-heavy to a more

even split between run/pass...

Could be an 80 catch season for Kennison. He has one of the highest YPC avg's in the NFL, if he just gets a few more catches he'd be a top 20 WR...

KC plays an extremely EASY schedule in 2006.

Kennison - 80-1296-9

Hey, you might be right, but everything I've heard is the opposite.

KC: 1059 plays, 507 passes, 520 running plays.

How exactly is this "so ridiculously run-heavy"?

 

[Adam Sommer]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.   He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

Linehan's #2 last year, a former Pro Bowler, finished #43.

Calling Marty Booker a "former Pro Bowler" does nothing to justify STL's #2 WR not being a value. Are you suggesting Booker is still capable of playing at a pro bowl level?

I'm suggesting that Booker is still able to play at a very high level given this will only be his 8th season in the NFL.So not only are you projecting Curtis to beat out Bruce, you are also speculating that Linehan's #2 will finish a full 18 spots higher than his previous year's #2. Not out of the realm of possibility, but definitely not likely either.

I think there are more likely places to find WR value.

Just an FYI, the Rams offense is slightly better than Miami's.....Oh, and the Rams have a QB...Who started for Miami last year? I dont even know, I think Ill have to look that up.....

The #2 WR from the Rams will be a solid #2 or #3 fantasy WR depending on rules...

 

[Snotbubbles]

Wow, that would be an impressive percentage, especially considering no other receiver did that last year (with an appreciable amount of targets). I believe only TJ House and Eric Parker came close to the 70% plateau.

To be honest I just took Parkers week 11-17 receptions and divided them by his targets.Receptions: 27Targets: 35%: 77Whether he will perform at that level for a full season remains to be seen, but he did have a nice end of the season.

 

[ookook]

Some of the people mention I have seen going much earlier. I was trying for some that would be there LATE.

For example, in a No Mercy league I am in with LHucks that is currently drafting, these WRs were all gone (many in andvance of their ADP):

10.01 Clayton, Mark BAL WR

10.05 McCardell, Keenan SDC WR

10.12 Bryant, Antonio SFO WR

11.01 Moulds, Eric HOU WR

11.04 Burleson, Nate SEA WR

11.05 Curtis, Kevin STL WR

11.06 White, Roddy ATL WR

11.07 Parker, Samie KCC WR

11.10 Wilford, Ernest JAC WR

11.12 Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

12.01 Givens, David TEN WR

12.04 Jurevicius, Joe CLE WR

12.06 Gaffney, Jabar PHI WR

12.11 Bruce, Isaac STL WR

13.05 Moss, Sinorice NYG WR

13.07 Rogers, Charles DET WR

13.10 Williams, Reggie JAC WR

 

[ookook]

I like the Stokely angle too, especially because injury to Marv or Reggie would increase his value so drasticaly.

 

[ookook]

What about T. Taylor or Battle?

 

[Z-Dog]

Kennison. Quietly put up 68-1102-5 last year, at the same time Green's stats

fell to just 17 passing TDs..Herm Edwards wants to throw the deep ball and balance out the offensive attack from being so ridiculously run-heavy to a more

even split between run/pass...

Could be an 80 catch season for Kennison. He has one of the highest YPC avg's in the NFL, if he just gets a few more catches he'd be a top 20 WR...

KC plays an extremely EASY schedule in 2006.

Kennison - 80-1296-9

Hey, you might be right, but everything I've heard is the opposite.

KC: 1059 plays, 507 passes, 520 running plays.

How exactly is this "so ridiculously run-heavy"?

And in general LOL ar anyone who thinks Herm Edwards is going to move an offense AWAY from the run...

 

[Bankerguy]

Here are the WR's that I believe have "value" and will outperform their ADP.

T. Glenn

D. Mason

E. Kennison

 

[Angry Beavers]

Kennison. Quietly put up 68-1102-5 last year, at the same time Green's stats

fell to just 17 passing TDs..Herm Edwards wants to throw the deep ball and balance out the offensive attack from being so ridiculously run-heavy to a more

even split between run/pass...

Could be an 80 catch season for Kennison. He has one of the highest YPC avg's in the NFL, if he just gets a few more catches he'd be a top 20 WR...

KC plays an extremely EASY schedule in 2006.

Kennison - 80-1296-9

Hey, you might be right, but everything I've heard is the opposite.

KC: 1059 plays, 507 passes, 520 running plays.

How exactly is this "so ridiculously run-heavy"?

And in general LOL ar anyone who thinks Herm Edwards is going to move an offense AWAY from the run...

I would think also looking at the NYJ pass/run ratio would help here

 

[David Yudkin]

Some of the people mention I have seen going much earlier. I was trying for some that would be there LATE.

For example, in a No Mercy league I am in with LHucks that is currently drafting, these WRs were all gone (many in advance of their ADP):

10.01 Clayton, Mark BAL WR

10.05 McCardell, Keenan SDC WR

10.12 Bryant, Antonio SFO WR

11.01 Moulds, Eric HOU WR

11.04 Burleson, Nate SEA WR

11.05 Curtis, Kevin STL WR

11.06 White, Roddy ATL WR

11.07 Parker, Samie KCC WR

11.10 Wilford, Ernest JAC WR

11.12 Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

12.01 Givens, David TEN WR

12.04 Jurevicius, Joe CLE WR

12.06 Gaffney, Jabar PHI WR

12.11 Bruce, Isaac STL WR

13.05 Moss, Sinorice NYG WR

13.07 Rogers, Charles DET WR

13.10 Williams, Reggie JAC WR

Our No Mercy draft is about to end and Gaffney and Moss have so far been undrafted (Rogers just went at 17.08).

 

[David Yudkin]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.   He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

Enough with the "aging Isaac Bruce" stuff already. Harrsion, Galloway, McCardell, Owens, Kennison, Smith, Keyshawn, Moulds, Muhammad, and Horn are all roughly the same age . . . are they all "aging" and about to be benched?Bruce is the #2 in STL. Curtis is the backup and WR3. When Bruce came back last year, Curtis went back to being a part-timer. I do not see a change in that philospohy this year. STL did not give Bruce $5 million a year to be a WR3.

 

[BigRed]

Just an FYI, the Rams offense is slightly better than Miami's.....

Oh, and the Rams have a QB...Who started for Miami last year? I dont even know, I think Ill have to look that up.....

The #2 WR from the Rams will be a solid #2 or #3 fantasy WR depending on rules...

I was wondering if someone was going to throw the flag on this one. This "it's the same coach so the stats will be the same on a totally diff team" is serious tard thinking.diesel was just saying if Bruce gets hurt - not exactly unthinkable - Curtis could and likely would step in as at least a solid WR2 and so a worthwhile consideration as a latter WR draft pick.

 

[BigRed]

Some of the people mention I have seen going much earlier. I was trying for some that would be there LATE.

For example, in a No Mercy league I am in with LHucks that is currently drafting, these WRs were all gone (many in andvance of their ADP):

10.01 Clayton, Mark BAL WR

10.05 McCardell, Keenan SDC WR

10.12 Bryant, Antonio SFO WR

11.01 Moulds, Eric HOU WR

11.04 Burleson, Nate SEA WR

11.05 Curtis, Kevin STL WR

11.06 White, Roddy ATL WR

11.07 Parker, Samie KCC WR

11.10 Wilford, Ernest JAC WR

11.12 Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

12.01 Givens, David TEN WR

12.04 Jurevicius, Joe CLE WR

12.06 Gaffney, Jabar PHI WR

12.11 Bruce, Isaac STL WR

13.05 Moss, Sinorice NYG WR

13.07 Rogers, Charles DET WR

13.10 Williams, Reggie JAC WR

Am I the only one who thinks Bruce has a shot at staying healthy most of the year?

 

[David Yudkin]

if Bruce gets hurt - not exactly unthinkable - Curtis could and likely would step in as at least a solid WR2 and so a worthwhile consideration as a latter WR draft pick.

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt. Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.Why is Bruce targeted now as an injury risk? Before last year he had missed one game in 6 years . . . so now he's an injury waiting to happen?

 

[Jon_Moore]

So much back and forth about Curtis, does anyone think Bruce makes for a sleeper this year? He's only 34, and in a traditionally pass happy offense. Martz is gone, but Linehan was OC in Minnesota when Culpepper was putting up some monster #s, and OC in Miami when Chris Chambers finally reached 1,000 yards.

I have a hunch the Rams will pass.

He's only a year removed for a 1200+ yard season

 

[Adam Sommer]

So much back and forth about Curtis, does anyone think Bruce makes for a sleeper this year? He's only 34, and in a traditionally pass happy offense. Martz is gone, but Linehan was OC in Minnesota when Culpepper was putting up some monster #s, and OC in Miami when Chris Chambers finally reached 1,000 yards.

I have a hunch the Rams will pass.

He's only a year removed for a 1200+ yard season

This is the thing with the Rams WR:1. They will probably play a more balanced game this year. It is reasonable to see a 50/50 split run/pass versus the split of pass more, run less under Martz.

2. SJAX will get more of a chance to shine; and from what Ive seen, he will. This is one talent RB......the more success he has, the less the Rams will even need to pass.

3. STL still has a great offense and I believe that both WR#1 (Holt) and WR#2 (Bruce) are fantasy starters.

Curtis is currently #3, and has shown he can put up numbers for fantasy teams. Should either Holt or Bruce get injured (both did last year), then Curtis will put up some nice games. Dynasty leagues (which is basically all I do) place more value on Curtis than redraft. Unless Holt/Bruce get injured, then Curtis probably has no value in redraft. Dynasty, well, who knows about next year....Curtis could start for the Rams or any other team....

 

[Adam Sommer]

if Bruce gets hurt - not exactly unthinkable - Curtis could and likely would step in as at least a solid WR2 and so a worthwhile consideration as a latter WR draft pick.

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt. Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.

I think drafting certain reserves does hold some value.Drafting Larry Johnson last year would have been smart. For this year, Marion Barber III, Joseph Addai, DeAngelo Williams, Laurence Maroney, Chris Perry....all are backups (or not clear starters) who could have tremendous seasons if the starter goes down (or gets benched, cut, suspended, whatever)...

For WR, you look at #3 on the depth chart (#1 and #2 are assumed starters). I think Curtis is #1 on this list. I can only think of a handful of other WR even on the list anyway....Given the chance to play, he is starter worthy in most fantasy leagues.

 

[zamboni]

What about T. Taylor or Battle?

I liked what I saw out of Battle last year. Problem is, he couldn't stay healthy, but if he does, I don't think Bryant is that huge of an obstacle for Battle to be the leading WR on that team.

 

[BigRed]

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt. Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.

Saying "has value" is such a broad term it's meaningless. It's a question of how MUCH value. So no, we shouldn't draft every WR3 from every team just because they "have value." But unlike most, Curtis has very GOOD value. He stepped in last year and played very well. So even if Bruce stays healthy, it's reasonable to assume Curtis will steal some looks....and given Bruce's age, is on the verge of becoming the WR2 in a strong passing game.

Why is Bruce targeted now as an injury risk? Before last year he had missed one game in 6 years . . . so now he's an injury waiting to happen?

Not saying he's a "huge" injury risk, bad wording on my part (guess I still can't forget his bad hammy days). But age would be one factor well worth considering.

 

[QB11]

Sleeper watch list:

B. Berrian Chicago

J. Cotchery NYJ

R. Parrish Buffalo

D. Hamilton S.F.

D. Henderson N.O.

D. Watts Denver

R. Woods S.D.

 

[David Yudkin]

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt.  Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.

Saying "has value" is such a broad term it's meaningless. It's a question of how MUCH value. So no, we shouldn't draft every WR3 from every team just because they "have value." But unlike most, Curtis has very GOOD value. He stepped in last year and played very well. So even if Bruce stays healthy, it's reasonable to assume Curtis will steal some looks....and given Bruce's age, is on the verge of becoming the WR2 in a strong passing game.

Why is Bruce targeted now as an injury risk?  Before last year he had missed one game in 6 years . . . so now he's an injury waiting to happen?

Not saying he's a "huge" injury risk, bad wording on my part (guess I still can't forget his bad hammy days). But age would be one factor well worth considering.

It depends on the size of the league and if you want to burn a roster spot. If Bruce missed 2 games this year . . . is it worth taking Curtis near the WR40 off the board to use in two games? When you consider that he would play if Holt got hurt too, that might make it more reasonable to roster him, but my concern is that the investment may not be all that great considering that there are other NFL starters still available at the spot Curtis is going in.

 

[Fullback Fro]

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt.  Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.

Saying "has value" is such a broad term it's meaningless. It's a question of how MUCH value. So no, we shouldn't draft every WR3 from every team just because they "have value." But unlike most, Curtis has very GOOD value. He stepped in last year and played very well. So even if Bruce stays healthy, it's reasonable to assume Curtis will steal some looks....and given Bruce's age, is on the verge of becoming the WR2 in a strong passing game.

Why is Bruce targeted now as an injury risk?  Before last year he had missed one game in 6 years . . . so now he's an injury waiting to happen?

Not saying he's a "huge" injury risk, bad wording on my part (guess I still can't forget his bad hammy days). But age would be one factor well worth considering.

It depends on the size of the league and if you want to burn a roster spot. If Bruce missed 2 games this year . . . is it worth taking Curtis near the WR40 off the board to use in two games? When you consider that he would play if Holt got hurt too, that might make it more reasonable to roster him, but my concern is that the investment may not be all that great considering that there are other NFL starters still available at the spot Curtis is going in.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

 

[Adam Sommer]

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt.  Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.

Saying "has value" is such a broad term it's meaningless. It's a question of how MUCH value. So no, we shouldn't draft every WR3 from every team just because they "have value." But unlike most, Curtis has very GOOD value. He stepped in last year and played very well. So even if Bruce stays healthy, it's reasonable to assume Curtis will steal some looks....and given Bruce's age, is on the verge of becoming the WR2 in a strong passing game.

Why is Bruce targeted now as an injury risk?  Before last year he had missed one game in 6 years . . . so now he's an injury waiting to happen?

Not saying he's a "huge" injury risk, bad wording on my part (guess I still can't forget his bad hammy days). But age would be one factor well worth considering.

It depends on the size of the league and if you want to burn a roster spot. If Bruce missed 2 games this year . . . is it worth taking Curtis near the WR40 off the board to use in two games? When you consider that he would play if Holt got hurt too, that might make it more reasonable to roster him, but my concern is that the investment may not be all that great considering that there are other NFL starters still available at the spot Curtis is going in.

Agreed. It all depends on your particular league.In 16-team dyantasy leagues, Curtis has value.

In 8 team redraft, he has none.

Same can be said for a lot of players. If I had to pick one #3 WR though, it would be Curtis (and in leagues like my 16 team dynasty, 3rd and 4th string WR are drafted).

 

[Adam Sommer]

You can make an argument that ANY reserve has value should someone else get hurt.  Therefore, I suppose would should draft every WR3 from every team should one of the starters get hurt.

Saying "has value" is such a broad term it's meaningless. It's a question of how MUCH value. So no, we shouldn't draft every WR3 from every team just because they "have value." But unlike most, Curtis has very GOOD value. He stepped in last year and played very well. So even if Bruce stays healthy, it's reasonable to assume Curtis will steal some looks....and given Bruce's age, is on the verge of becoming the WR2 in a strong passing game.

Why is Bruce targeted now as an injury risk?  Before last year he had missed one game in 6 years . . . so now he's an injury waiting to happen?

Not saying he's a "huge" injury risk, bad wording on my part (guess I still can't forget his bad hammy days). But age would be one factor well worth considering.

It depends on the size of the league and if you want to burn a roster spot. If Bruce missed 2 games this year . . . is it worth taking Curtis near the WR40 off the board to use in two games? When you consider that he would play if Holt got hurt too, that might make it more reasonable to roster him, but my concern is that the investment may not be all that great considering that there are other NFL starters still available at the spot Curtis is going in.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Its not that we don't understand this....I think some of us talk from the perspective of our specific situations too much....(and we shouldn't)Drafts are about value. Curtis in the early rounds is stupid. Curtis is round 16 is a fantastic and lucky move.

My key league (one I care about most), is a 16 team dnyasty where we start 3 WR and have 28 roster spots (plus four rooks). So, almost every team as a #3 or #4 WR from the NFL depth charts.....in this case, Curtis isn't a bad guy to have if drafted for one of those late round spots.

 

[T Man]

I don't understand why Kevin Curtis gets the love.   He did exactly what after Bruce came back last year?    He's the WR#3 people.

Hes the #3 WR until he beats out an aging Isaac Bruce. Once he does that, hes a top 25 WR.

Linehan's #2 last year, a former Pro Bowler, finished #43.

Calling Marty Booker a "former Pro Bowler" does nothing to justify STL's #2 WR not being a value. Are you suggesting Booker is still capable of playing at a pro bowl level?

I'm suggesting that Booker is still able to play at a very high level given this will only be his 8th season in the NFL.So not only are you projecting Curtis to beat out Bruce, you are also speculating that Linehan's #2 will finish a full 18 spots higher than his previous year's #2. Not out of the realm of possibility, but definitely not likely either.

I think there are more likely places to find WR value.

I don't necessarily think Curtis will be anything more then a #3 this year; and, his value is really in keeper/dynasty leagues since his contract is up this year.BUT . . . the problem I have is the comparison of the Mia #2 to the ST.L #2. First, the situations are different. There is no Saban to answer to in St. L. Second, Frerotte is not the starter like he was for Miami, he is the backup for Bulger. And finally, the ST.L. line (especially at OT) is much better then Miami's last year.

As such, its an apple to oranges comparison.

 

[LHUCKS]

BUT . . . the problem I have is the comparison of the Mia #2 to the ST.L #2. First, the situations are different. There is no Saban to answer to in St. L. Second, Frerotte is not the starter like he was for Miami, he is the backup for Bulger. And finally, the ST.L. line (especially at OT) is much better then Miami's last year.

As such, its an apple to oranges comparison.

I never compared the two offenses. I merely stated that the most recent #2 in Linehan's offense finished #43.